The Party Pooper has just posted a great article that disputes alledged crimes and statistics provided by an anti-USFK group here in Korea called USAcrime. Feel free to read the propaganda yourself than read the Party Poopers rebuttal. Here is a sample of the typical propaganda that US soldiers are subjected to here and the Party Pooper’s response.
Statistically, people bound by SOFA (soldiers, civilian components, their families and their relatives) have committed 2-3 crimes against Korean citizens a day. Hence there have been over 100,000 cases of criminal acts since 1945. Nevertheless, Korean courts have only judged around 4% of these crimes (confined to US soldiers). In most other cases, U.S. soldiers who have committed crimes against the Korean people, have been released without punishment or due compensation to the victims.
Answer of earlier question: Not very long. Anyway, playing with statistics looks fun! Can I play too?
Ok, according to your numbers (100,000+ cases over the past 59 years) that’s about 1,700 “criminal acts” per year from a population of 37,000 (actually, it should be more than that even now that the numbers have been reduced, because their statistics include soldier’s families, relatives, and all others covered by the SOFA).Thus about 4% of GIs are committing crimes each year (actually less, since there would certainly be many repeat offenders doing more than their share).
So at worst, only 4% of the soldiers are bad guys and the other 96% are more or less law-abiding people doing nothing more than serving their country and protecting Korean democracy at your nation’s request.Wow! 33,600 soldiers just minding their own business and doing nothing more than making sure Korea stays safe. Thank you so much for bringing this to my attention. I never realized just how well they were doing. Also, what percentage of these “crimes” are traffic violations? What percentage is just brawls between GIs or fights in which both parties (GI and Korean) were at fault? Come on, drunken Korean men never bait GIs or start pushing first?
What is sad is the amount of people who believe this crap. It doesn’t help that every time a GI gets in a fight with a Korean or a serious crime it is put on the front page of every paper and ran on the news. Now what happens when Koreans attack GIs and even kill them? Well not a whole lot.
Here is a perfect example, the last time I was in Korea, a US Army Major was attacked and killed by a knife weilding assailant in Itaewon. What was really amazing was that Koreans in the crowd were trying to take the knife away from the officer who had taken the knife away from the attacker and it wasn’t until some more Americans arrived on the scene did anyone provide any help in restraining the attacker and providing transportation to get the wounded major back to Yongsan to 121 hospital. The major ended up dieing from his wound to the liver.
Now ask any Korean you meet today about this incident and no one will recall it, but ask the same person about the fhlameldahyde being dumped in the Han River and they will instantly remember that. By the way has anyone taken the Han River boat cruise and seen the stuff floating in that river? And the enviromentalists are more worried about fhlameldahyde than industrial waste?
Then there are the attacks on the subway which including kidnapping when 3 GI’s were kidnapped after a confrontation on a subway which in court was proven to have been started by a Korean man hitting a GI and then the attempted murder and stabbing of the 8th Army spokesman a Lieutenant Colonel on his way to work at the subway stop just outside of Yongsan Garrison. He was able to fight off his attackers and escape. To read more about these incidents Click Here.
It is bad enough that these incidents happened but what bothers me even more is that average Koreans know nothing about it. But ask them about the drunk soldier that got in a fight at Shinchon one night and pulled a knife to defend himself and killed no one and everyone knows about that. I’ve told these incidents to KATUSAs and they didn’t believe me until I showed them the evidence on the internet. So like I have told my soldiers here, if you are a new soldier coming to Korea walk away from any possible off post confrontations you may find yourself encountering because whatever happens no one will help you and everything will be blamed on you and no one will care or remember it.
Also keep in mind that the majority of the people here are very nice but their is a fringe minority that uses propaganda and tries to create incidents with GI’s to provoke an anti-American backlash for their own twisted political reasons. You really only need to worry about this around college areas and Seoul in particular. Just keep that in the back of your mind while traveling around Korea.
I have travelled extensively around the peninsula and only one time has someone tried to provoke an incident with me and that was at Kyongbuk Palace in Seoul. Me and my buddies were just walking in the palace when a Korean female backed by her posse of young thugs started yelling anti-American obscenities at us and saying we are not allowed to visit the palace. That is pretty absurd because that would be like me telling Koreans they cannot visit the Grand Canyon. We walked away from the incident but something like that if it was other soldiers could have turned violent and that is what these groups want, so they can put your picture on the front page of the newspaper. Don’t give them what they want and don’t let them intimidate you from going out and seeing the many sites here in Korea.
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9:39 am on December 28th, 2006 1
Sage advice. I was a Peace Corps Volunteer, decades ago (in the 1970’s), stationed in Cheoungju City teaching at a Korean Middle School..Anyway, most of the problems I experienced were from young Korean males and while distateful, were not life threatening.
I have revisited Korea a few times since, the last being in 1997 and I had no problems whatsoever, though I can still speak a little Korean, so that may have helped.
Unfortunately, I believe that some of the problems also stem from ignorance of American soldiers and OTHER Foreigners who know little or care less about Korean culture.
When I was there in 1997 I spent a few days and nights in Iteawon and was surprised to see the interaction between soldiers/foreigners and Koreans hadn’t changed at all since the 1970’s!!!!
Do American soldiers receive any education on Korean culture?
Your insight please….
9:40 am on December 28th, 2006 2
The soldiers all receive a briefing about Korea when they inprocess into their unit plus every 6 months they receive another briefing about Korea. Korean language classes are available to everyone but very few people take the classes. Most soldiers just sit in their rooms and play video games or go to the “ville.” As of this year however General LaPorte through the Korean American Friendship Association has begun a program to send soldiers on tours on the weekend. So about everyone month my unit gets to send a handful of soldiers on a tour. These have been very positive because some of the soldiers that went actually wanted to take more tours and learn about Korea. Others just went back to playing video games and going to the ville. Just like anything else you will get out of Korea what you put into it.
12:53 am on February 17th, 2007 3
Hey, GI, if you read this, I thought I’d mention that I have heard LePorte’s “Korean American Friendship Association” was just a scam to give base passes to “community leaders” and certain “friendly” Koreans who were “connected” with members of USFK leadership.
This allowed them get on base to run a variety of profitable scams including slot machines and black marketing.
I don’t know if there is truth to this, as I focus mostly on Osan, but maybe you have some insight?
J!
2:55 am on February 17th, 2007 4
Richard/GiKorea; Back in 1988 there was a program called “R.O.K. Ranger Training”. Those who wished to, went to the White Horse Battalion for a week of “pup tent” life in the mountains. This included PT three times a day with “hikes” up the mountain to the obstacle course in between. Lost 10 pounds in 6 days! You could quit, when ever you wanted, as you received nothing from the USA for it. Got a certificate from the ROK command that is still on my wall. It inspired me to take those language classes, which helped me often while in the ville and korea itself. Taxi cab drivers seemed to enjoy my interest in there language and country. One told me, ” I think you maby 50% Korean.”
My last tour in 2002 to 2ID—We received no training on korea or the culture. The command was fond of saying, “We hit the ground running and don’t stop till we leave”. I think we all know how 2002 turned out.
Thinking about a trip back in September. Don’t expect to have a “good” time. I expect to have an “interesting” visit. Need to work on those language skills.
5:53 am on February 17th, 2007 5
Chickenhead,
I wouldn’t be surprised if some of those people were runnning scams on post. All you have to do is go to any slot machine room and compare the number of Koreans to Americans there. The command has to know that scamming is going on but I guess they figure why rock the boat especially when MWR is making money from the slots.
Dan,
I like the ROK ranger training. That is a great idea and know many soldiers in my unit that were really fit and motivated that would want to do something like that. However, the dumb asses that cause problems in the ville are not the high speed soldiers that would want to do ROK ranger training. There are usually at best average to subpar soldiers. Only constant supervision keeps these guys in line.
2ID now gives a whole two weeks at the turtle farm now for culture training and language training. It is very extensive and I was impressed when checked on some of the training going on. However, even with this training you have dumb assses that cause problems.
8:00 am on July 20th, 2007 6