Comments on: Unconfirmed Details of Osan Town Patrol Corruption http://rokdrop.com/2005/04/20/the-other-side-of-the-story/ Korea From North to South Wed, 23 May 2012 12:22:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: zithromax http://rokdrop.com/2005/04/20/the-other-side-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-16194 zithromax Sun, 25 Mar 2007 02:40:12 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=479#comment-16194 <strong>zithromax...</strong> news... zithromax…

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]]> By: Amber http://rokdrop.com/2005/04/20/the-other-side-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1546 Amber Sat, 06 Jan 2007 15:05:15 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=479#comment-1546 Oh you have to love all of the rumors in this case. Has anyone heard about the actual facts? What about the evidence for and against the Lt? Anyone that close to it? Just thought I might ask. Oh you have to love all of the rumors in this case. Has anyone heard about the actual facts? What about the evidence for and against the Lt? Anyone that close to it? Just thought I might ask.

]]> By: tron http://rokdrop.com/2005/04/20/the-other-side-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1529 tron Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:54:59 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=479#comment-1529 thanks for the info. someone should promote you to do this job!!!! thanks for the info.

someone should promote you to do this job!!!!

]]> By: tron http://rokdrop.com/2005/04/20/the-other-side-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1509 tron Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:42:40 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=479#comment-1509 GI Korea - How would you solve the juicy girl problem if you were given the power? What would you do? GI Korea – How would you solve the juicy girl problem if you were given the power? What would you do?

]]> By: Mac http://rokdrop.com/2005/04/20/the-other-side-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1504 Mac Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:38:07 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=479#comment-1504 The roots of this problem are deeper. What gives guys like the accused power to exploit is the growing "Taliban" mentality of senior leadership and the "disciplinary" control boards. Soldier shave been having sex for thousands of years. Suddenly, because of some FOX news distortions and a few religious fundamentalist in congress, military leadership has taken it upon themselves to coerce troops into a more Christian life. This human trafficking thing is a lame excuse. First, it assumes prostitutes are mostly human trafficking victims; not true. Second, only a small percentage of prostitution in Korea is related to USFK. There is a far bigger segment of the sex industry servicing Korean men than servicing GIs. Under the current guidelines a service member who is five minutes late getting back to the gate has not only violated the ridiculous curfew rules, but is guilty of a "prostitution related offence" according to USFK. The real problem is not one, or a few, bad apples. It is a system that does not acknowledge the realities of life. The roots of this problem are deeper. What gives guys like the accused power to exploit is the growing "Taliban" mentality of senior leadership and the "disciplinary" control boards.

Soldier shave been having sex for thousands of years. Suddenly, because of some FOX news distortions and a few religious fundamentalist in congress, military leadership has taken it upon themselves to coerce troops into a more Christian life.

This human trafficking thing is a lame excuse. First, it assumes prostitutes are mostly human trafficking victims; not true. Second, only a small percentage of prostitution in Korea is related to USFK. There is a far bigger segment of the sex industry servicing Korean men than servicing GIs.

Under the current guidelines a service member who is five minutes late getting back to the gate has not only violated the ridiculous curfew rules, but is guilty of a "prostitution related offence" according to USFK.

The real problem is not one, or a few, bad apples. It is a system that does not acknowledge the realities of life.

]]> By: Paul H. http://rokdrop.com/2005/04/20/the-other-side-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1480 Paul H. Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:23:51 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=479#comment-1480 Why not post a link or tell GI Korea about it so he can decide to post it here (or allow you to fill up a comment). Or put the information in the hands of the Army or DoD Inspector General's office. Any IG anywhere in the world will take your report and investigate it. Of course they may want to talk to the primary sources of your info. If higher-ranking officers other than a LT are involved (you imply Armed Forces Disciplinary Control Board and Osan AFB "leadership" may be on the take) better get the IG going on it and/or get it out in the open. If the military chain of command is only focused mistakenly on prosecuting one of the "pawns", you'll be doing USFK and US a service. Why not post a link or tell GI Korea about it so he can decide to post it here (or allow you to fill up a comment).

Or put the information in the hands of the Army or DoD Inspector General's office. Any IG anywhere in the world will take your report and investigate it. Of course they may want to talk to the primary sources of your info.

If higher-ranking officers other than a LT are involved (you imply Armed Forces Disciplinary Control Board and Osan AFB "leadership" may be on the take) better get the IG going on it and/or get it out in the open. If the military chain of command is only focused mistakenly on prosecuting one of the "pawns", you'll be doing USFK and US a service.

]]> By: Jon Nathan http://rokdrop.com/2005/04/20/the-other-side-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1479 Jon Nathan Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:23:23 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=479#comment-1479 I can assure you that Lt. Davis has done all he is accused of and much, much more. The "juicy" clubs in Songtan pay off Osan Air Base leadership to "not notice" open prostitution and human trafficking which continues no matter what fake crackdown is being voiced. They consider payoffs to Osan leadership as a small cost in a profitable business. Lt. Davis started leaning on the non-juicy clubs. Unlike the juicy bars, they are not doing anything illegal and had no fear in involving the Korean police (which hadn't been done for a while due to Osan's inaction and the feeling that the KNP were in on it -- they, too, do not notice the prostitution and human trafficking). Osan leadership is trying to say this is the work of one bad apple (Lt. Davis) but he does not have the power to put clubs off-limits and clubs know this. This can only be done by the Armed Forces Disciplinary Control Board (AFDCB). If you look at the off-limits history of Songtan clubs, you will find that the AFDCB is either corrupt or so stupid as to allow a simple town patrol Lt. to manipulate its actions. If you are interested in more information, contact me and I will send you what I have written as this has unfolded. I have followed it very closely and have spoken with some of the key players. J! I can assure you that Lt. Davis has done all he is accused of and much, much more.

The "juicy" clubs in Songtan pay off Osan Air Base leadership to "not notice" open prostitution and human trafficking which continues no matter what fake crackdown is being voiced. They consider payoffs to Osan leadership as a small cost in a profitable business.

Lt. Davis started leaning on the non-juicy clubs. Unlike the juicy bars, they are not doing anything illegal and had no fear in involving the Korean police (which hadn't been done for a while due to Osan's inaction and the feeling that the KNP were in on it — they, too, do not notice the prostitution and human trafficking).

Osan leadership is trying to say this is the work of one bad apple (Lt. Davis) but he does not have the power to put clubs off-limits and clubs know this. This can only be done by the Armed Forces Disciplinary Control Board (AFDCB).

If you look at the off-limits history of Songtan clubs, you will find that the AFDCB is either corrupt or so stupid as to allow a simple town patrol Lt. to manipulate its actions.

If you are interested in more information, contact me and I will send you what I have written as this has unfolded. I have followed it very closely and have spoken with some of the key players.

J!

]]> By: Steve http://rokdrop.com/2005/04/20/the-other-side-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1478 Steve Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:22:08 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=479#comment-1478 Air Force Police (or Military Police for that matter) taking bribes, having relations with foreign women, breaking the law.... Shocked, I am shocked I tell you. Air Force Police (or Military Police for that matter) taking bribes, having relations with foreign women, breaking the law….
Shocked, I am shocked I tell you.

]]> By: Skippy-san http://rokdrop.com/2005/04/20/the-other-side-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1477 Skippy-san Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:21:23 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=479#comment-1477 "Life of sin"? In the US with US women? No chance paddles. I see this as breaking into 3 questions that need to be resolved: 1) What did he do on duty? 2) Did he lie about where he went on leave? 3) Was he really trying to extort money from anyone? I'll bet the Russian was trying to extort money from him. I know here in Japan, folks have gone on leave to both Russia and Ukraine. So long as the CO knows about it and they have an intinerary and FP plan on file its no big deal. The problem with this whole incident is the PR it gets and the ripple effects it has for elsewhere in Asia. There are boneheads already complaining about port visits to Pattaya based on the whole stupid Army "anti-prostitution" stance in Korea. If they start banning travel to Thailand, its time to head for the exit ramp. The whole point about being in Asia, is the night life....... Makes you wonder how a bunch of smoking and drinking and girl loving guys won the Cold War!!!! "Life of sin"? In the US with US women? No chance paddles.

I see this as breaking into 3 questions that need to be resolved:

1) What did he do on duty?

2) Did he lie about where he went on leave?

3) Was he really trying to extort money from anyone? I'll bet the Russian was trying to extort money from him.

I know here in Japan, folks have gone on leave to both Russia and Ukraine. So long as the CO knows about it and they have an intinerary and FP plan on file its no big deal.

The problem with this whole incident is the PR it gets and the ripple effects it has for elsewhere in Asia. There are boneheads already complaining about port visits to Pattaya based on the whole stupid Army "anti-prostitution" stance in Korea. If they start banning travel to Thailand, its time to head for the exit ramp. The whole point about being in Asia, is the night life…….

Makes you wonder how a bunch of smoking and drinking and girl loving guys won the Cold War!!!!

]]> By: GI Korea http://rokdrop.com/2005/04/20/the-other-side-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1476 GI Korea Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:20:58 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=479#comment-1476 Paul, The way leave works now is that the country you are going to requires a certain rank on the signature block approving you to go there. So if you are going to the states your company commander can sign that. But if you are going to China your battalion commander would need to sign it and actually going to China from here is actually very common and the USO runs trips to the country. There are areas in Russia that require a general officers signature to go to which makes it near impossible to go to Russia. This is what that lieutenant is going to get slammed on for sure that he probably lied about where he was going on leave if that is the case because I don't know I can just speculate. We'll just have to wait and see what happens once the military court process gets moving. Military courts are really good at getting to the truth of the matter. Paul,

The way leave works now is that the country you are going to requires a certain rank on the signature block approving you to go there. So if you are going to the states your company commander can sign that. But if you are going to China your battalion commander would need to sign it and actually going to China from here is actually very common and the USO runs trips to the country. There are areas in Russia that require a general officers signature to go to which makes it near impossible to go to Russia. This is what that lieutenant is going to get slammed on for sure that he probably lied about where he was going on leave if that is the case because I don't know I can just speculate. We'll just have to wait and see what happens once the military court process gets moving. Military courts are really good at getting to the truth of the matter.

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