Comments on: AP Reporter Charles Hanley Responds to GI Korea Criticism http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/ Korea From North to South Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:45:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: A Modern Yu Kwan-soon Is Reborn 1,000 Times | The Marmot's Hole http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/comment-page-1/#comment-171470 A Modern Yu Kwan-soon Is Reborn 1,000 Times | The Marmot's Hole Sat, 21 Jun 2008 22:46:04 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/#comment-171470 [...] beef, and just die? I shouldn’t be too surprised to see Choe Sang-Hun, who collaborated with atrocity-monger Charles Hanley on the Nogun-ri story, retell this legend as fact without expressing the slightest skepticism [...] [...] beef, and just die? I shouldn’t be too surprised to see Choe Sang-Hun, who collaborated with atrocity-monger Charles Hanley on the Nogun-ri story, retell this legend as fact without expressing the slightest skepticism [...]

]]> By: Gi Deaths Korea 1992 - Dogpile Web Search http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/comment-page-1/#comment-96974 Gi Deaths Korea 1992 - Dogpile Web Search Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:46:27 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/#comment-96974 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] < Prev 1|2|3 Next > Are you looking for? No Suggestions Found. 21. AP Reporter Charles Hanley Responds to GI Korea Criticism at ROK Drop From 1992, he was a "special correspondent", given a ... Fan Death. Feet Man Seoul. [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] < Prev 1|2|3 Next > Are you looking for? No Suggestions Found. 21. AP Reporter Charles Hanley Responds to GI Korea Criticism at ROK Drop From 1992, he was a "special correspondent", given a … Fan Death. Feet Man Seoul. [...]

]]> By: The Marmot’s Hole » A Place Like Dokdo, only Colder http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/comment-page-1/#comment-56005 The Marmot’s Hole » A Place Like Dokdo, only Colder Sat, 28 Jul 2007 04:21:59 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/#comment-56005 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] videam on A Place Like Dokdo, only Colderglobalvillageidiot on A Place Like Dokdo, only ColderAP Reporter Charles Hanley Responds to GI Korea Criticism at ROK Drop on OK, so the Nogeun-ri film is completedlatn on A Place Like Dokdo, only [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] videam on A Place Like Dokdo, only Colderglobalvillageidiot on A Place Like Dokdo, only ColderAP Reporter Charles Hanley Responds to GI Korea Criticism at ROK Drop on OK, so the Nogeun-ri film is completedlatn on A Place Like Dokdo, only [...]

]]> By: U.S. National Archives: Japan has apologized to no one for its war crimes » Japan Probe http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/comment-page-1/#comment-36036 U.S. National Archives: Japan has apologized to no one for its war crimes » Japan Probe Wed, 16 May 2007 13:47:47 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/#comment-36036 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Here is GI Korea discussin the numbers of dead and the motivations behind what happened. “The mythology of Nogun-ri continues……..The massacre did happen but what is in dispute are the numbers of dead and the motivations behind what happened” http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/ [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] Here is GI Korea discussin the numbers of dead and the motivations behind what happened. “The mythology of Nogun-ri continues……..The massacre did happen but what is in dispute are the numbers of dead and the motivations behind what happened” http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/ [...]

]]> By: ZERO: Nogun-ri the Comic Book http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/comment-page-1/#comment-22964 ZERO: Nogun-ri the Comic Book Sat, 07 Apr 2007 17:43:55 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/#comment-22964 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] hear it; most of them admit Nanjin massacre did happen but the number of the victims is in dispute.AP Reporter Charles Hanley Responds to GI Korea CriticismControversies of the Korean War: The Tragedy at No Gun-ri - Part [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] hear it; most of them admit Nanjin massacre did happen but the number of the victims is in dispute.AP Reporter Charles Hanley Responds to GI Korea CriticismControversies of the Korean War: The Tragedy at No Gun-ri – Part [...]

]]> By: Haisan http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/comment-page-1/#comment-2316 Haisan Fri, 19 Jan 2007 00:01:41 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/#comment-2316 GIK - I know what you are talking about and I sympathize. But for all the problems with the media, I really like having those problems. As Churchill said about democracy, it is the worst form of government except for every other form of government. I feel the same way about free markets (they are the worst kind of economics, except for every other kind) and Western-style journalism. Yeah, they make a lot of mistakes and screw up. But I would far rather have them than not. GIK – I know what you are talking about and I sympathize. But for all the problems with the media, I really like having those problems. As Churchill said about democracy, it is the worst form of government except for every other form of government. I feel the same way about free markets (they are the worst kind of economics, except for every other kind) and Western-style journalism. Yeah, they make a lot of mistakes and screw up. But I would far rather have them than not.

]]> By: GI Korea http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/comment-page-1/#comment-2303 GI Korea Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:00:27 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/#comment-2303 Haisan, I appreciate your view points on the media but my views about the media are more than just No Gun ri. No Gun ri is just a great example of journalists instead of just simply reporting news but to create it by sensationalizing an already tragic event. When I was in Iraq there were some media imbeds that senior leaders had to start planning operations around because they didn't want that reporters knowing about an op and twisting it to create news. There was some good reporters as well in Iraq but from my admitedly small foxhole, for every good one there was one bad one. Haisan, I appreciate your view points on the media but my views about the media are more than just No Gun ri. No Gun ri is just a great example of journalists instead of just simply reporting news but to create it by sensationalizing an already tragic event. When I was in Iraq there were some media imbeds that senior leaders had to start planning operations around because they didn't want that reporters knowing about an op and twisting it to create news. There was some good reporters as well in Iraq but from my admitedly small foxhole, for every good one there was one bad one.

]]> By: Haisan http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/comment-page-1/#comment-2298 Haisan Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:14:14 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/#comment-2298 <blockquote>Look at the Nogunri story. Why was that “news”? Is this normal habit for the AP? Do its editors and other decision makers frequently decide the best way to cover today’s events —– is to spend a heck of lot of time looking at something that happened 50 years ago?</blockquote> This is where I think it is important to understand how various news organizations work. Hanley is not a typical AP journalist. From 1992, he was a "special correspondent", given a lot of autonomy to travel and write about what he wanted to. It has been a while since I talked to Choe Sang-hun, but what I believe happened (iirc) is that Choe had been working on this (following up on local reports), when the story got some traction in the AP newsroom. Which is when Hanley and the others came aboard and started to make the story into something bigger. Once again, I find the parallels between how some people treat AP and how Hanley treats No Gun Ri and the Pentagon quite interesting. AP is not more a monolith than the Pentagon is. Especially someone like Hanley has a lot of freedom to go where he wants and dig into what he wants. So, Choe finds a story with some potential, about civilian killings during the Korean War. Then Hanley hears about it, sees something potentially bigger, and jumps aboard (hijacks the story?). Together, they interview people and do research, but came across no reason to doubt Daily outright (after all, other people remember him being there and say similar things). Sure, if would have been easy to check, but why would the reporters have suspected outright fraud? (It was a pre-Hwang Woo-suk era). Sloppy, but not malicious. Where this story goes especially bad, in my opinion, is how Hanley and the AP reacted to Bateman, Galloway and other challenges. If they had said "Interesting, let's reassess this," it would have been a much more honest position. Instead, Hanley acted like a prick and a prima donna (Hanley does seem to be the one front-and-center in all this). Regarding the Vietnam stuff in your (USAinKorea) post... Hanley did cut his teeth in Vietnam, where he was a US Army journalist, and did come of age in the 1960s (see the bio I linked to last post), so your comment about Vietnam-era journalists could be true for him. I've never met him and cannot say. Anyhow, imho, if you have spent much time in any newsroom, you may not find a lot of rapid Republicans, but will not find a lot of mass agreement about much of anything, either. Reporters tend to be quite opinionated and egotistical, and about as "group think" as a horde of cats.

Look at the Nogunri story. Why was that “news”? Is this normal habit for the AP? Do its editors and other decision makers frequently decide the best way to cover today’s events —– is to spend a heck of lot of time looking at something that happened 50 years ago?

This is where I think it is important to understand how various news organizations work. Hanley is not a typical AP journalist. From 1992, he was a "special correspondent", given a lot of autonomy to travel and write about what he wanted to.

It has been a while since I talked to Choe Sang-hun, but what I believe happened (iirc) is that Choe had been working on this (following up on local reports), when the story got some traction in the AP newsroom. Which is when Hanley and the others came aboard and started to make the story into something bigger.

Once again, I find the parallels between how some people treat AP and how Hanley treats No Gun Ri and the Pentagon quite interesting. AP is not more a monolith than the Pentagon is. Especially someone like Hanley has a lot of freedom to go where he wants and dig into what he wants.

So, Choe finds a story with some potential, about civilian killings during the Korean War. Then Hanley hears about it, sees something potentially bigger, and jumps aboard (hijacks the story?). Together, they interview people and do research, but came across no reason to doubt Daily outright (after all, other people remember him being there and say similar things). Sure, if would have been easy to check, but why would the reporters have suspected outright fraud? (It was a pre-Hwang Woo-suk era). Sloppy, but not malicious.

Where this story goes especially bad, in my opinion, is how Hanley and the AP reacted to Bateman, Galloway and other challenges. If they had said "Interesting, let's reassess this," it would have been a much more honest position. Instead, Hanley acted like a prick and a prima donna (Hanley does seem to be the one front-and-center in all this).

Regarding the Vietnam stuff in your (USAinKorea) post… Hanley did cut his teeth in Vietnam, where he was a US Army journalist, and did come of age in the 1960s (see the bio I linked to last post), so your comment about Vietnam-era journalists could be true for him. I've never met him and cannot say.

Anyhow, imho, if you have spent much time in any newsroom, you may not find a lot of rapid Republicans, but will not find a lot of mass agreement about much of anything, either. Reporters tend to be quite opinionated and egotistical, and about as "group think" as a horde of cats.

]]> By: Silly Sally http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/comment-page-1/#comment-2295 Silly Sally Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:18:26 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/#comment-2295 USA, Could GI Korea ever be susceptible to military groupthink? USA,

Could GI Korea ever be susceptible to military groupthink?

]]> By: OneFreeKorea » Dispulitzated http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/comment-page-1/#comment-2292 OneFreeKorea » Dispulitzated Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:42:35 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/01/14/ap-reporter-charles-hanley-responds-to-gi-korea-criticism/#comment-2292 [...] Please remind me to learn from the pile of cinders that was once Charles Hanley and never mess with GI Korea.  On the other hand, Hanley’s own comment on GI Korea’s blog may be the most damning condemnation of his objectivity and professionalism.  I responded directly to Hanley there. [...] [...] Please remind me to learn from the pile of cinders that was once Charles Hanley and never mess with GI Korea.  On the other hand, Hanley’s own comment on GI Korea’s blog may be the most damning condemnation of his objectivity and professionalism.  I responded directly to Hanley there. [...]

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