Comments on: The Defection of PFC Joseph White http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/ Korea From North to South Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:38:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: William A. Morgan http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/comment-page-1/#comment-382018 William A. Morgan Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:38:42 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/#comment-382018 Does anyone remember see the video after his defection or the propaganda leaflets with his picture? Well anyway it appears that the morning that he defected the NK waited until sunrise or close to it to film him still inside of the dmz(foggy that morning) saying that he wanted to defect and that the US should get out of south korea. It seems like to me he was coached on what to say. Now on the propaganda leaflet, the picture taken of him and the two NK girls was shot from a high angle suggesting just as the leaflet, propaganda. I believe he wanted to return home but NK would not let him so they did away with him. Does anyone remember see the video after his defection or the propaganda leaflets with his picture? Well anyway it appears that the morning that he defected the NK waited until sunrise or close to it to film him still inside of the dmz(foggy that morning) saying that he wanted to defect and that the US should get out of south korea. It seems like to me he was coached on what to say. Now on the propaganda leaflet, the picture taken of him and the two NK girls was shot from a high angle suggesting just as the leaflet, propaganda. I believe he wanted to return home but NK would not let him so they did away with him.

]]> By: guitard http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/comment-page-1/#comment-377896 guitard Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:40:07 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/#comment-377896 Found by whom...the North Koreans? Why in the world would they say that someone slit his throat and tossed him in the river? How would that benefit North Korea? Found by whom…the North Koreans? Why in the world would they say that someone slit his throat and tossed him in the river? How would that benefit North Korea?

]]> By: Manchu1-9 http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/comment-page-1/#comment-377895 Manchu1-9 Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:21:01 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/#comment-377895 GI Korea "passed around to discourage soldiers from defecting" I was there the night it happened,to your quote,maybe urban ledgend,maybe not,young and dumb as he might have been,and there were many,you'd have to have your head up your ass before you got to the turtle farm to believe the propaganda,Me thinks it was the furry end of a tube that got him to chogie,I also heard he fell out and Top was on his ass to,but that furry end of a tube got him to cut a chogie more than Top J. Moore's right,he did shoot the lock,he did yell out in Korean so they wouldn't wax his ass. And yes,the Wild bunch was A-1/31st Regiment was the Polar Bears Just as is Cobra is C-1/9th KEEP UP THE FIRE! GI Korea
“passed around to discourage soldiers from defecting”
I was there the night it happened,to your quote,maybe urban ledgend,maybe not,young and dumb as he might have been,and there were many,you’d have to have your head up your ass before you got to the turtle farm to believe the propaganda,Me thinks it was the furry end of a tube that got him to chogie,I also heard he fell out and Top was on his ass to,but that furry end of a tube got him to cut a chogie more than Top
J. Moore’s right,he did shoot the lock,he did yell out in Korean so they wouldn’t wax his ass.
And yes,the Wild bunch was A-1/31st
Regiment was the Polar Bears
Just as is Cobra is C-1/9th

KEEP UP THE FIRE!

]]> By: J. Moore http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/comment-page-1/#comment-358932 J. Moore Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:11:26 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/#comment-358932 Yes Joe defected. No more, no less. He shot the lock off the gate and left. The story posted is pretty good but leaves out a lot of the details of that night. I don't know if Joe had a Yobo or not. One of the reasons Top was on his ass was about PT. The boy could not run at all. Always falling out of runs and if I remember right he failed a PT test. He was quiet, kinda strange but otherwise seemed allright. Rumour had that they found him floating in the Imjin river in '85 when I was back there a second time. That will be one night that I will never forget. CQ82 you are so wrong. I was there, I talked to the guys in my unit that morning on the guard post. I heard the Company Commander tell the rest of the officers and others what happened. I drew his and the XO's sidearms from the armoury that night. Joe left on his own of his own will. BTW, the Wild Bunch was Alpha Co. Not the whole battalion. Yes Joe defected. No more, no less. He shot the lock off the gate and left. The story posted is pretty good but leaves out a lot of the details of that night.

I don’t know if Joe had a Yobo or not. One of the reasons Top was on his ass was about PT. The boy could not run at all. Always falling out of runs and if I remember right he failed a PT test. He was quiet, kinda strange but otherwise seemed allright. Rumour had that they found him floating in the Imjin river in ‘85 when I was back there a second time.

That will be one night that I will never forget. CQ82 you are so wrong. I was there, I talked to the guys in my unit that morning on the guard post. I heard the Company Commander tell the rest of the officers and others what happened. I drew his and the XO’s sidearms from the armoury that night. Joe left on his own of his own will.

BTW, the Wild Bunch was Alpha Co. Not the whole battalion.

]]> By: SemblenceOfSanity http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/comment-page-1/#comment-329643 SemblenceOfSanity Thu, 28 May 2009 04:47:49 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/#comment-329643 I was stationed at Camp Howze (Bongilchon) from Feb '83- Feb '84, by that time PFC White's "defection" was talked about very little. In fact, the "tree trimming incident" of years prior was talked about 100 times more often than White. For about 8 months of my year there, I was the bases' C.C.I., working out of the base dispensery and had a close working relationship with all of the "working" girls, mamasans', and bar owners in the 'ville. At that time there was anywhere from 110 to 150 working girls in Bongilchon on any given week (including "yobo's"), and I did my best to keep track of them. As for the theory that white's yobo was a North Korean spy, I have to laugh. What a waste of time for an intel agency to have a spy posing as a working girl in a town where officers were prohibited from "partaking" in the women there. A very small number of NCO's on that base had access to sensitive intel, and even fewer numbers of privates. I can say that a lot of the girls did pump me rigorously, but not for information :shock: . I was stationed at Camp Howze (Bongilchon) from Feb ‘83- Feb ‘84, by that time PFC White’s “defection” was talked about very little. In fact, the “tree trimming incident” of years prior was talked about 100 times more often than White. For about 8 months of my year there, I was the bases’ C.C.I., working out of the base dispensery and had a close working relationship with all of the “working” girls, mamasans’, and bar owners in the ‘ville. At that time there was anywhere from 110 to 150 working girls in Bongilchon on any given week (including “yobo’s”), and I did my best to keep track of them. As for the theory that white’s yobo was a North Korean spy, I have to laugh. What a waste of time for an intel agency to have a spy posing as a working girl in a town where officers were prohibited from “partaking” in the women there. A very small number of NCO’s on that base had access to sensitive intel, and even fewer numbers of privates. I can say that a lot of the girls did pump me rigorously, but not for information :shock: .

]]> By: CalmSeas http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/comment-page-1/#comment-190619 CalmSeas Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:42:52 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/#comment-190619 "a North Korean agent in a club in the village of Bongilchon..." We are talking book rights here... :razz: “a North Korean agent in a club in the village of Bongilchon…”

We are talking book rights here… :razz:

]]> By: Edward R. Kline http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/comment-page-1/#comment-190551 Edward R. Kline Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:30:35 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/#comment-190551 Pfc White defected plain and simple. I was stationed their in 82. From the land of the morning calm. To fishheads and rice 24/7. Have a nice life. Pfc White defected plain and simple. I was stationed their in 82. From the land of the morning calm. To fishheads and rice 24/7. Have a nice life.

]]> By: GI Korea http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/comment-page-1/#comment-149712 GI Korea Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:47:31 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/#comment-149712 According to Robert Neff's article the lock was shot from the inside which I'm sure ballistic analysis would be able to confirm if it was an M16 or not that shot it. Also sensitive items were left in the outpost that I would presume a North Korean raiding team would have taken instead of leaving behind. Finally there was witnesses that saw him walk across the DMZ by himself before being grabbed by North Koreans on the North's side of the MDL. According to the information available the kid defected and it appears even his family accepts this now. According to Robert Neff’s article the lock was shot from the inside which I’m sure ballistic analysis would be able to confirm if it was an M16 or not that shot it. Also sensitive items were left in the outpost that I would presume a North Korean raiding team would have taken instead of leaving behind. Finally there was witnesses that saw him walk across the DMZ by himself before being grabbed by North Koreans on the North’s side of the MDL.

According to the information available the kid defected and it appears even his family accepts this now.

]]> By: CQ82 http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/comment-page-1/#comment-149700 CQ82 Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:50:27 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/#comment-149700 I was Division CQ the evening PFC White was captured. I was ordered to hand deliver the news of his capture to three Battalion HQs, my own, the 122nd Signal Bn at Camp casey Korea. The message that went out to our division commanders that morning was "US soldier captured by North Korean infiltrators on DML" It is my understanding that IR photography confirms White being lead away from Oulette at gunpoint, and the lock was shot off his gaurdpost from outside, not inside as otherwise claimed. PFC is a POW and should be treated as such. The fact he had a pass pulled (who didn't) and he didn't get along famously with his sergeabt (who did) and that he had scores of propganda leaflets (who didn't) in his footlocker - are all red herrings by a government who is perfectly happy leaving a man behind. They didn't want to start a war, period. Now I say we bring White home. If he died, it was while in North korean custody...but his death, like his capture has most likely been greatly exagerated. SOUND OFF 2nd D !! Leave No man behind !! I was Division CQ the evening PFC White was captured. I was ordered to hand deliver the news of his capture to three Battalion HQs, my own, the 122nd Signal Bn at Camp casey Korea. The message that went out to our division commanders that morning was “US soldier captured by North Korean infiltrators on DML” It is my understanding that IR photography confirms White being lead away from Oulette at gunpoint, and the lock was shot off his gaurdpost from outside, not inside as otherwise claimed.

PFC is a POW and should be treated as such. The fact he had a pass pulled (who didn’t) and he didn’t get along famously with his sergeabt (who did) and that he had scores of propganda leaflets (who didn’t) in his footlocker – are all red herrings by a government who is perfectly happy leaving a man behind. They didn’t want to start a war, period. Now I say we bring White home. If he died, it was while in North korean custody…but his death, like his capture has most likely been greatly exagerated.

SOUND OFF 2nd D !! Leave No man behind !!

]]> By: Kent Duke http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/comment-page-1/#comment-13216 Kent Duke Sun, 18 Mar 2007 02:10:59 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/02/23/the-defection-of-pfc-white/#comment-13216 I was at Casey when that shithead went North and I heard the same old thing. It was a YOBO and top was on his ass. I was at Casey when that shithead went North and I heard the same old thing. It was a YOBO and top was on his ass.

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