Comments on: A Dumber Army: Fact or Fiction? http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/ Serving on the Forgotten Frontier Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:54:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: George Soros Linked to National Priorities Project Hit Piece http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/#comment-122353 George Soros Linked to National Priorities Project Hit Piece Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:47:19 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/#comment-122353 [...] launching now multiple hit pieces against the US military with the aid of the complicit media.  I debunked this "dumber" Army stereotype last year and this year the usual suspects are trying to once again create a false perception of [...] [...] launching now multiple hit pieces against the US military with the aid of the complicit media.  I debunked this "dumber" Army stereotype last year and this year the usual suspects are trying to once again create a false perception of [...]

]]> By: spc Cribb http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/#comment-105594 spc Cribb Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:44:53 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/#comment-105594 i know exactily what you are talking about with the weight issue with the new up dates i am still 10 lbs over the weight and the new female tape test i have yet to pass ive been in 5 years and the only thing holding me back from promotion is my weight i used to pass the old tape but it seems how ever hard i try i cant pass the new one. everyone questions why im not a sgt yet after 5 years and that is why. i always get at least a 259 even in ait. even the first test after having a baby and it was diagnostic. I always max both my push ups and my sit ups. i usually have a little trouble with the run but i still pass. as for the push ups i can do over 60 and that is a lot for a female. i think if i worked at it i could easily max the male score since it is only 15 more. even so 60 is more than a good percentage of the males do in our company. I think that i may have muscle in areas that women typically don't seeing as to how a lot of army females barely do 30. on my last pt test i did 87 sit ups. That is more than enough to max. everyone says if i worked on my run more i could probably get a 300 pretty easily. I know how to do my job well and even my squad leader says as soon as i make tape i'll go to the board. i've been trying to lose it for a year now and haven't had too much sucess even making tape. I've tried strick diets that made me tired all day and sick all the time and actually increased my run time. i've tried pills that ended up dehydrating me and as soon as stopped the weight was back. i've tried pt three times a day which bothered my husband cause i was at the gym till 8'o clock that had some sucess until i got sick and didn't feel well enough to go to the gym then ended up on profile. but my run time decreased a lot. but when not going to the gym my weight came back really rapidly in just 2 weeks i gained 5 lbs. I am not the only one with this problem i know plenty of other with the same issue. I want to go to a civilian to see if their results are better and if the my unit will honor them if they are. do you know of anyone who has tried this? i know exactily what you are talking about with the weight issue with the new up dates i am still 10 lbs over the weight and the new female tape test i have yet to pass ive been in 5 years and the only thing holding me back from promotion is my weight i used to pass the old tape but it seems how ever hard i try i cant pass the new one. everyone questions why im not a sgt yet after 5 years and that is why. i always get at least a 259 even in ait. even the first test after having a baby and it was diagnostic. I always max both my push ups and my sit ups. i usually have a little trouble with the run but i still pass. as for the push ups i can do over 60 and that is a lot for a female. i think if i worked at it i could easily max the male score since it is only 15 more. even so 60 is more than a good percentage of the males do in our company. I think that i may have muscle in areas that women typically don’t seeing as to how a lot of army females barely do 30. on my last pt test i did 87 sit ups. That is more than enough to max. everyone says if i worked on my run more i could probably get a 300 pretty easily. I know how to do my job well and even my squad leader says as soon as i make tape i’ll go to the board. i’ve been trying to lose it for a year now and haven’t had too much sucess even making tape. I’ve tried strick diets that made me tired all day and sick all the time and actually increased my run time. i’ve tried pills that ended up dehydrating me and as soon as stopped the weight was back. i’ve tried pt three times a day which bothered my husband cause i was at the gym till 8′o clock that had some sucess until i got sick and didn’t feel well enough to go to the gym then ended up on profile. but my run time decreased a lot. but when not going to the gym my weight came back really rapidly in just 2 weeks i gained 5 lbs. I am not the only one with this problem i know plenty of other with the same issue. I want to go to a civilian to see if their results are better and if the my unit will honor them if they are. do you know of anyone who has tried this?

]]> By: The Truth About Recruiting at Forward Deployed http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/#comment-59690 The Truth About Recruiting at Forward Deployed Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:14:10 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/#comment-59690 [...] reporting I have seen yet on the reality of US military recruiting.  The article tends to confirm my thesis that  fatter, momma’s boys are being allowed in the military compared to past years, not an [...] [...] reporting I have seen yet on the reality of US military recruiting.  The article tends to confirm my thesis that  fatter, momma’s boys are being allowed in the military compared to past years, not an [...]

]]> By: Dan http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/#comment-37135 Dan Sun, 20 May 2007 20:52:37 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/#comment-37135 I was taped every damn year I was in the army, which was twenty years. Maxed push ups all but the last three years and at least passed the situps in the high 70% and run also. Never got credit for it because I was always ten pounds over max weight. I'm a weightlifter. Been retired almost two years now and still bench over 250 for reps. Bet I could still load a truck faster than most any two newbies. Just wanted to blow my horn. It was damn maddening. A tip: Having trouble passing type? Eat more! Your neck will start to get fat as well and your % will go down. Funny how that works. If your a little fat, your in trouble. Alot fat is different. I knew some real fat boys that made the tape. Eat Up! I was taped every damn year I was in the army, which was twenty years. Maxed push ups all but the last three years and at least passed the situps in the high 70% and run also. Never got credit for it because I was always ten pounds over max weight. I’m a weightlifter. Been retired almost two years now and still bench over 250 for reps. Bet I could still load a truck faster than most any two newbies. Just wanted to blow my horn. It was damn maddening.

A tip: Having trouble passing type? Eat more! Your neck will start to get fat as well and your % will go down. Funny how that works. If your a little fat, your in trouble. Alot fat is different. I knew some real fat boys that made the tape. Eat Up!

]]> By: GI Korea http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/#comment-37030 GI Korea Sun, 20 May 2007 07:27:15 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/#comment-37030 The only problem I have with the weight control program is that some kind of score for the PT test should be set that if someone overweight passes with that score they should be waived from the test. I get tired of seeing guys who score high on a PT test have to starve themselves days before a weigh in just to make tape. The only problem I have with the weight control program is that some kind of score for the PT test should be set that if someone overweight passes with that score they should be waived from the test. I get tired of seeing guys who score high on a PT test have to starve themselves days before a weigh in just to make tape.

]]> By: Misuchan http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/#comment-37021 Misuchan Sun, 20 May 2007 06:41:01 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/#comment-37021 I very much disagree with CPT KIM's comment on changing the weight/tape standards. They already have, and its easier for larger people to pass. HOWEVER..... smaller people with a typically Asian physique such as myself are being harassed for being underweight even though I pass my PT with usually around 285. Just because America is getting fatter means we should lower the standard to suit them? If they kept the old standard, we could have had fit soldiers ETS and take their fitness standards back into the civilian culture. Now you want to normalize this overweight standard??? Ludicrous! If it comes down to a soldier not being able to pass tape or weight no matter how hard they try, and it's obviously because of large muscle mass and not due to fat, and they pass their PT test, they should be given a waiver. Otherwise, it's a no-go. I very much disagree with CPT KIM’s comment on changing the weight/tape standards. They already have, and its easier for larger people to pass. HOWEVER….. smaller people with a typically Asian physique such as myself are being harassed for being underweight even though I pass my PT with usually around 285. Just because America is getting fatter means we should lower the standard to suit them?

If they kept the old standard, we could have had fit soldiers ETS and take their fitness standards back into the civilian culture. Now you want to normalize this overweight standard??? Ludicrous!

If it comes down to a soldier not being able to pass tape or weight no matter how hard they try, and it’s obviously because of large muscle mass and not due to fat, and they pass their PT test, they should be given a waiver. Otherwise, it’s a no-go.

]]> By: The Truth About Recruiting at ROK Drop http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/#comment-36399 The Truth About Recruiting at ROK Drop Thu, 17 May 2007 21:02:31 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/#comment-36399 [...] reporting I have seen yet on the reality of US military recruiting.  The article tends to confirm my thesis that  fatter, momma’s boys are being allowed in the military compared to past years, not an [...] [...] reporting I have seen yet on the reality of US military recruiting.  The article tends to confirm my thesis that  fatter, momma’s boys are being allowed in the military compared to past years, not an [...]

]]> By: GI Korea http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/#comment-18254 GI Korea Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:23:09 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/#comment-18254 Technical skills and computer skills are definitely up compared to 10 years ago but like I said in the posting even the people the media declares as "dumb" are in fact often very intelligent in the career field that the chose. Additionally if crime is considered an indication of intelligence which I don't agree with, but even if someone wants to make that arguement, the USFK crime rate is down. Technical skills and computer skills are definitely up compared to 10 years ago but like I said in the posting even the people the media declares as “dumb” are in fact often very intelligent in the career field that the chose. Additionally if crime is considered an indication of intelligence which I don’t agree with, but even if someone wants to make that arguement, the USFK crime rate is down.

]]> By: mcnut http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/#comment-18221 mcnut Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:52:33 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/#comment-18221 just because you can use a computer does not make you smarter than someone 10 years ago when systems were just becoming daily parts of peoples work environment i am not taking a stand on either side there are arguements to be made for each however the media does hype these up the military is full of smart people and dumb ones to just because you can use a computer does not make you smarter than someone 10 years ago when systems were just becoming daily parts of peoples work environment

i am not taking a stand on either side there are arguements to be made for each however the media does hype these up the military is full of smart people and dumb ones to

]]> By: GI Korea http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/#comment-18220 GI Korea Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:48:27 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/03/29/a-dumber-army-fact-or-fiction/#comment-18220 I could write a whole post on Army weight control standards because there are many issues with it, but overall I have never chaptered someone for being overweight that didn't deserve it. However, the way the program is setup now it harrasses some soldiers who pass the PT test with no problems but the way their body is composed causes them to be considered overweight. In the case of junior enlisted it really effects otherwise good soldiers from being promoted with their peers and leaves a bad taste in their mouth about the Army. I have seen what I would consider good soldiers leave the Army simply because they were tired of being harrassed about their weight even though they could pass a PT test. I could write a whole post on Army weight control standards because there are many issues with it, but overall I have never chaptered someone for being overweight that didn’t deserve it. However, the way the program is setup now it harrasses some soldiers who pass the PT test with no problems but the way their body is composed causes them to be considered overweight.

In the case of junior enlisted it really effects otherwise good soldiers from being promoted with their peers and leaves a bad taste in their mouth about the Army. I have seen what I would consider good soldiers leave the Army simply because they were tired of being harrassed about their weight even though they could pass a PT test.

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