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	<title>Comments on: Remembering June 13, 2002</title>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2007/06/13/remembering-june-13-2002/comment-page-1/#comment-421370</link>
		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d probably think so...    :oops:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d probably think so&#8230;    <img src='http://rokdrop.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif' alt=':oops:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2007/06/13/remembering-june-13-2002/comment-page-1/#comment-421360</link>
		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@45 - You have to remember that the guys given reprimands were not the ones driving the vehicle.  That is what prevents them from being criminally liable.  If your wife told you to drive faster than the speed limit to get home quicker because dinner was almost done and you get in accident because of speeding and kill someone is your wife criminally liable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@45 &#8211; You have to remember that the guys given reprimands were not the ones driving the vehicle.  That is what prevents them from being criminally liable.  If your wife told you to drive faster than the speed limit to get home quicker because dinner was almost done and you get in accident because of speeding and kill someone is your wife criminally liable?</p>
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		<title>By: kangaji</title>
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		<dc:creator>kangaji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and you can be tried AGAIN for it under UCMJ.  
Constitution Smonstitution Soldier!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and you can be tried AGAIN for it under UCMJ.<br />
Constitution Smonstitution Soldier!</p>
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		<title>By: USinKorea</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2007/06/13/remembering-june-13-2002/comment-page-1/#comment-421317</link>
		<dc:creator>USinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know.  It could start to sound like hairsplitting.  Procedures are not laws, but if the procedures were ignored, the procedures covered saftey, then it might be the duty of a jury to decide whether it violates laws concerning things like manslaughter...

It reminded me of the bad police department I worked for.  They had lots of SOPs - the vast majority of which you had never read nor were trained on.  But, if you got sued, which happens to cops from time to time, the city would whip out an SOP to justify firing you thus freeing them from Liability - because Liability was far, far more important than crime to the city.  Costs were second.  You could get fired for a having a single vehicle accident - and when you are driving around 8 hours a day, 5 days a week policing, chances are you might have an accident at some point.

This also reminds me of the OJ trials.  In the American system, you can be found innocent in a criminal court of stabbing a woman to death by your own hands but turn around to be found financially liable for the same stabbing of a woman to death by your own hands in a civil court...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know.  It could start to sound like hairsplitting.  Procedures are not laws, but if the procedures were ignored, the procedures covered saftey, then it might be the duty of a jury to decide whether it violates laws concerning things like manslaughter&#8230;</p>
<p>It reminded me of the bad police department I worked for.  They had lots of SOPs &#8211; the vast majority of which you had never read nor were trained on.  But, if you got sued, which happens to cops from time to time, the city would whip out an SOP to justify firing you thus freeing them from Liability &#8211; because Liability was far, far more important than crime to the city.  Costs were second.  You could get fired for a having a single vehicle accident &#8211; and when you are driving around 8 hours a day, 5 days a week policing, chances are you might have an accident at some point.</p>
<p>This also reminds me of the OJ trials.  In the American system, you can be found innocent in a criminal court of stabbing a woman to death by your own hands but turn around to be found financially liable for the same stabbing of a woman to death by your own hands in a civil court&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kangaji</title>
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		<dc:creator>kangaji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the civilian folks, if you get those letters then when it comes time for the promotion boards, you&#039;ll usually get passed over for promotion the higher up you hard in the ranks.  Get passed over for promotion twice and you&#039;re out as an officer.  As Retired GI said, they basically fired them EVEN THOUGH it sounds to a civilian like a slap on the wrist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the civilian folks, if you get those letters then when it comes time for the promotion boards, you&#8217;ll usually get passed over for promotion the higher up you hard in the ranks.  Get passed over for promotion twice and you&#8217;re out as an officer.  As Retired GI said, they basically fired them EVEN THOUGH it sounds to a civilian like a slap on the wrist.</p>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
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		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@41 - There is a difference between reckless neglect and criminal neglect.  The unit leadership however was given reprimands because of violating safety procedures which was deemed reckless but not criminal.  That is why they were given general levels of reprimands that effectively ended their careers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@41 &#8211; There is a difference between reckless neglect and criminal neglect.  The unit leadership however was given reprimands because of violating safety procedures which was deemed reckless but not criminal.  That is why they were given general levels of reprimands that effectively ended their careers.</p>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
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		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@39 - The memorial is located on Highway 56.  Just travel south on 3 from TDC and about halfway between Uijongbu and TDC you will see the intersection where you will need to take a right on to 56.  You have to drive a ways down the road before you reach the memorial and also keep your eyes open for it because when I went there wasn&#039;t a marker designating it as being there.  I drove by it the first time and then turned around and spotted it the second time. Let us know if there has been any significant changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@39 &#8211; The memorial is located on Highway 56.  Just travel south on 3 from TDC and about halfway between Uijongbu and TDC you will see the intersection where you will need to take a right on to 56.  You have to drive a ways down the road before you reach the memorial and also keep your eyes open for it because when I went there wasn&#8217;t a marker designating it as being there.  I drove by it the first time and then turned around and spotted it the second time. Let us know if there has been any significant changes.</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of my point in number 37 was meant to be that, if a person believes that there was  a considerable amount of reckless neglect on the part of the soldiers in the tank and/or up the chain of command in USFK, then the soldiers should have been found guilty in the court martial or a Korean court of law.  Period.

I understand there is the natural tendancy to want o bridge the gap between the incredible fury of the Korean people and the US presence in Korea, but offering sacrificial lambs is not the way to go.

If reckless neglect was involved, then I am sure it fits the statutory definition of one or more serious criminal laws involving deaths.

Of course there were many contributing factors as to why the event took place.  There are for any event that takes place.  The question is whether or not you believe this or that or a combination of factors reached the level of a breach in law - if we are going to use terms like recless neglect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of my point in number 37 was meant to be that, if a person believes that there was  a considerable amount of reckless neglect on the part of the soldiers in the tank and/or up the chain of command in USFK, then the soldiers should have been found guilty in the court martial or a Korean court of law.  Period.</p>
<p>I understand there is the natural tendancy to want o bridge the gap between the incredible fury of the Korean people and the US presence in Korea, but offering sacrificial lambs is not the way to go.</p>
<p>If reckless neglect was involved, then I am sure it fits the statutory definition of one or more serious criminal laws involving deaths.</p>
<p>Of course there were many contributing factors as to why the event took place.  There are for any event that takes place.  The question is whether or not you believe this or that or a combination of factors reached the level of a breach in law &#8211; if we are going to use terms like recless neglect.</p>
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		<title>By: kangaji</title>
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		<dc:creator>kangaji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in 2003 and after the election dokdo mania started up again.  I was like &quot;thank you japanese right wingers!  Now the koreans are off my ass!&quot;   So remember, when anti american sentiment picks up, ask about dokdo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in 2003 and after the election dokdo mania started up again.  I was like &#8220;thank you japanese right wingers!  Now the koreans are off my ass!&#8221;   So remember, when anti american sentiment picks up, ask about dokdo!</p>
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		<title>By: Bones</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2007/06/13/remembering-june-13-2002/comment-page-1/#comment-421290</link>
		<dc:creator>Bones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GI,

I&#039;m in TDC, what is the highway number of that road? I wanna go up and see the memorial.

Thanks

Bones</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GI,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in TDC, what is the highway number of that road? I wanna go up and see the memorial.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Bones</p>
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