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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on August 6th, 2007 at 7:44 am

A Profile of USFK Camps in Dongducheon

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The 2nd Infantry Divison, USFK lone combat unit in Korea is composed of two main hubs. The first hub are the camps located in the Uijongbu area just north of Seoul. Uijongbu is home to logistical, communications, and command & control units while the city of Dongducheon located 20 kilometers north of Uijongbu on Highway 3, is home to the division’s combat arms units. The division’s infantry, armor, engineer, and artillery units are all located in the Dongducheon area:

Camp Kwangsa-ri
The first camp in the Casey area is called Camp Kwangsa-ri, which is located halfway between Dongducheon and Uijongbu. The camp serves as a ammunition storage facility for the 2ID and is only staffed with a handful ordinance soldiers, a few American civilian workers, many Korean workers, and a ROK Army unit. I have been to Camp Kwangsa-ri more times than I care to remember handling ammunition issues, but the biggest story to ever come out of this camp was when a corruption scandal was uncovered on the camp in 2005 involving a Korean worker named Mr. Kim who was stealing expended ammunistion brass from the camp to resell to a private company. Mr. Kim made $300,000 from the scam and is still at large to this day.

Dongducheon
Just of the road from Camp Kwangsa-ri is the city of Dongducheon. Dongducheon by Korean standards is considered a backwater city even though it has a population of nearly 80,000 people. The city also has long had a seedy reputation due to being home to a large number of US military camps over the years:

The city and especially Camp Casey and Hovey are ringed with steep mountains including the popular local mountain Soyosan that makes up the northern boundary of Camp Casey. A river runs through the center of the city and is known to flood from time to time. In 1997 the entire Dongducheon “ville” area was underwater during the worst flood in recent memory.

Most people in the city either directly or indirectly are dependent on the USFK presence for their livelihood. However, factories staffed with third world laborers continue to sprout up in the area to contribute to the local economy as well. The mixture of Koreans, third world laborers, and US soldiers does give the city a vibe very different from everywhere else in Korea.

Camp Casey
The biggest camp by far in Dongducheon is Camp Casey:

The camp was named in 1952 after Major Hugh Casey who was an engineer officer that was awared the Distinguished Service Cross for combat actions during the evacuation of Hungnam, North Korea. Casey would later die in December 1951 when the light observer plane he was flying in was shot down by ground fire and crashed on a small hill in the middle of present day Camp Casey. This hill to this day is marked by a large white cross that can be seen from just about anywhere on Camp Casey.

Camp Casey is a large sprawling base located farther north than any other major US military camp in Korea. The camp is only 15 miles straight line distance from the DMZ that separates the two Koreas. Camp Casey is so close to the DMZ you would think it would be quite a spartan installation. That is not the case, as the camp has every facility any other US Army installation has:

It has numerous eating establishments both fast food and sit down restaurants. There are two different Burger King locations, a Popeye’s Chicken, Dunkin Donuts, Anthony’s Pizza, and a Taco Bell. The Primo’s restaurant has a really good lunch buffet that is worth checking out as well.

The largest PX in 2ID can be found here to buy all the latest products and a decent commissary that includes most the foods you would find in the states. The camp also has a nice bookstore and sports shop. The PX also has a number of Korean stores where you can buy typical Korean products, but they are quite expensive compared to buying the same items off post.

Camp Casey is filled with athletic facilities. There are gyms and weight rooms are spread out all over the camp plus numerous football and softball fields are available as well. Throughout the year there are numerous athletics leagues running that encompasses every major sport played in the US. The competition in these leagues is usually very competitive because most soldiers are in Korea away from their families for a year and thus focus much on sports to keep them busy.

The camp also has plenty of entertainment options. There are multiple bars on the camp and a dance club located in Primo’s. Near the PX there is also a nice bowling alley for the bowlers out there. The golf course is quite popular and usually filled unsurprisingly with Korean golfers.

Some of the major units on Camp Casey include Taskforce 1-72 Armor, 2-9 Infantry, 302nd Brigade Support Battalion, 1-38 Field Artillery, & 6-37 Field Artillery.

Golsandong
An unusual fact about Camp Casey is that it actually contains its own Korean village called Golsandong:

The village is actually spread out among the hills to the east of Camp Casey and contains 48 homes with 116 residents:

These homes can only be reached by driving through Camp Casey. So if you are stationed on Camp Casey and see some Koreans driving farming equipment on post, now you know why.

Camp Hovey
Located adjacent to Camp Casey is the medium sized installation of Camp Hovey.

The camp is named after Master Sergeant Howard Hovey who ended up being one of the last Americans to die during the Korean War during the battle of Pork Chop Hill in July 1953. For his heroic actions defending the hill from the massive Chinese offensive he was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross.


MSG Howard Hovey

Camp Hovey has plenty of facilities to include a restaurant and club, a video store, gymnasium, and sports field. One minus about Camp Hovey is the distance from the PX and commissary on Camp Casey. It is about a 20 minute bus ride from Hovey to reach the PX.

The front gate of the camp is bordered by the sleazy and run down ville of Toko-ri:

Some of the major units on Camp Hovey includes 1-15 Field Artillery, 4-7 US Cavalry, & 1st Brigade Special Troops Battalion.

Camp Mobile
Located right across Highway 3 from Camp Casey is small installation Camp Mobile:

Camp Mobile was known for decades by 2ID soldiers as the “Turtle Farm” because it was the location of the 2ID Replacement Company. The new soldiers that arrived at Camp Mobile were known as “turtles” because they had so long to go before their tour in Korea would be complete. Since the Replacement Company was on the camp the Central Issue Facility (CIF) was established on Camp Mobile to field gear to all the new soldiers.

I remember my first time pulling into Camp Mobile. I had been on a bus from Kimpo Airport and pulled into this camp that reminded me more of a concentration camp than a military installation due to the drab buildings, quonset huts, and barbed wire. This place was not a welcoming site to anyone pulling into 2ID for the first time. Fortunately the Replacement Company was moved to the much more hospitable Camp Stanley in Uijongbu. The company is now known as the Warrior Readiness Company.

Camp Mobile also has an air strip on it that is used for helicopter landings as well as UAV operations. The only thing I remember more than arriving to the “turtle farm” for the first time was waiting in the freezing cold of February for four hours on the air strip to do an air assault training operation with the 1-503 Infantry. We absolutely froze waiting for the helicopters that would never seen to show up. Finally we were told it was to cold and the visibility to poor for the helicopters to come. There was some seriously pissed off infantrymen that day.

Camp Nimble
Just down the road from both Camp Casey and Camp Mobile is the now vacated Camp Nimble:

Camp Nimble before closing, was home to two companies from the 702nd MSB. These two companies contained the military semi-trucks used to transport cargo and equipment for the division. This may be why it was named Camp Nimble:

I’m sure the camp had its good points, but to me Camp Nimble never seemed like a good place to be stationed and the roads leading from the camp were quite narrow and definitely a traffic hazard for military vehicles trying to drive through there. Fortunately this camp has finally been closed down.

Camp Castle
Just north of Camp Casey is the small installation of Camp Castle. Camp Castle for decades was home to the engineers units thus the reason for the name of Camp Castle. The engineers moved off the camp in 2004 and has been occupied by the 702nd Brigade Support Battalion since:

Something unusual about this camp is that the motorpool is located on the opposite side of Highway 3 from the rest of the camp. The motorpool is accessed by a pedestrian overpass.

Camp Castle is further divided with a small warehouse located just north of Camp Castle’s main post which is known as Camp Castle North:

The warehouse on Camp Castle North is used by the division to turn in old equipment to the support battalion unit that operates the warehouse. This is another place I have spent way to much time at before.

Overall, the Camp Casey area is not a bad posting considering how close to freedom’s frontier one is stationed. Combined the camps have just about every facility you could expect on any other US military installation and transportation to and from the post continues to improve, especially with the opening of the new subway station in Dongducheon. So if you get stationed in the Camp Casey area it is not the end of the world and it is not that bad of a place. Like most things in Korea, it is all what you make of it.

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  • Michael Moore
    11:03 pm on March 2nd, 2007 1

    i have just read this article i dont think i can put this in any better words
    than you did. i grew up in korea actually next to camp casey. due to my parents who got out the army n decided to stay i just recently moved to virginia couple months ago. i would love to go back n thats wat im trying to do. but i would give u a 100% i have read alot of other writings from
    other soldiers that has to been to korea. but i think you are the only one
    that was actually able to sumerize everything so well

  • Bruce Rogers
    11:03 pm on March 2nd, 2007 2

    I arrived at Camp Casey Sept 1970. We were 7th Avn Btn. Gen. Hal Moore in charge. (later wrote “We Were Solders”) A guy named Payne was his crew chief. I was assigned to crew chief helicopter Vagabond 782 for Gen. Clifford Hannum. Mike Roswell pilot and Will Hackett co-pilot. Kevin Desmond later took over. After a few months the 2nd Div. moved in and we became the 2nd Avn Btn. Good times. I remember TDC in 1970 like it was yesterday. The sights, smells, sounds. The clubs. No drinky girls. Prostitution was everywere though. Drugs too. I stayed there for a year then did a 2nd tour at Camp Stanton because it got me out of the Army 6 mos. early. When I left Korea 1972 I went straight to Fort Ord and ETS. It would be a nice thing to see TDC again after all these years.

  • Neophyte
    11:04 pm on March 2nd, 2007 3

    Man! Bruce Rogers, your TDC sounds swell.
    As for mine, or the current one…nothing to complain about…nothing to rave about.
    drinky girls are a hassle at times, corrupt cabbies, MP’s, other than that..the rest of korea is swell.
    there is that addition to TDC..the park with the swell, clean restrooms…water foiuntan…It’s a good place to relax, and it’s kinda hidden on the backside, but I’m sure the MP’s won’t let you “Loiter” there.
    anybody been there?

  • Joe Herber SFC USAR
    11:04 pm on March 2nd, 2007 4

    You guys dont know what TDC used to be like.
    I arrived in Korea 23Jan67 left 2Jun68.
    I recently met up with my old Bn CO and his first words were,” Korea the Armys Best Kept Secret “.
    The guys been around and there was a story he use to go to TDC as Sp/6???
    Yes in the old days when you went to TDC it was for a good time!!!
    I had many good times ,but with old age you wonder what if some times.I have no regrets and some day I’d like to return.I’d even like to go back to the Z.

  • Gerald Rogers
    1:11 pm on April 23rd, 2007 5

    I was stationed at Camp Casey in 1962-63, I was 17 when I went over and 18 when I came home from doing a 13 month tour. I loved it and would like to return before I die.
    I had a blast while I was there, tried to love all the girls there. After I got stateside, I wished that I had extended.

    Gerald Rogers

  • kennedy
    1:12 pm on April 23rd, 2007 6

    it is weird how everybody thinks camp casey is as far north as you can get isn't it.

    in front of them all, inculding the hole called casey

  • Richard Bussa
    1:12 pm on April 23rd, 2007 7

    I was at Camp Casey from April 53 to October 53 and was in the Headquarters Co of the 2nd INf. Div. We broke up when Div was sent home and transfered to Seoul at 8th Army and ended up in Special Services driving a Libray truck.

  • Dan
    1:13 pm on April 23rd, 2007 8

    I spent two years (84-86) on Camp Hovey right next to Camp Casey and spent many nights in TDC. Just reading this artical I can tell it changed 150% from the time I was there and the fellow that wrote this artical was there. From what the girls were called and about to the club names and there were never non-Koren girls there, certainly not Russian girls, ever. The only club (of the ones he named any way) that was still the same is The Rendevous Club. There was a mam-son there back then that looked like something strait out of a Hollywood movie, man did she ever freek me out….lol. As well the New York Club was a big one that lots went to. And I hung in one down from the Together Club called the "Gold Cup" I think, we simply called it the "Cup".

    Back then you didnt pay 20 bucks for a drink with them, it was 10 bucks to go on a "Short Time". I'm sure I dont have to explain that. $20 would get you an over night, same thing just all night. My unit (102nd MI) used to hang out in the "Together Club". Also ran by a Ms Kim Who was an extreamly nice and fun person to be around, she treated all of us like we were family and the DJ's name was Kim… cool dude actually. This club didnt have what you call "Drinky girls" in it either.

    Reading that half the ville is gone is a bummer, going back to what I left in '86 would make it worth going back but what I read here doesnt seem like it would be near the fun that we had back then, when the worst thing you had to worry about was 3 days later dripping like the good humor man….lol. As well, Tokaree on the other side of Camp Hovey was a pretty cool ville for a small one. While I was up at Radar Site 8 we used to go into Chor-Wan for hair cuts and BJ's… lol that was awesome. Chor-Wan was a ROK town though so we didnt go a bunch.

    TDC was huge fun in those days and extending for a year to me was one of the easiest decissions I ever made in my 11 years in. We could party all night long back then becasue there was "Aviation Ally". It was located right up against the Camp Casey Wall right next to the Aviation units at the front of Casey… Hence "Aviation Ally". The clubs in there were not as friendly though and we never went there unless it was 3-4am and we were still alive. One thing that is still the same is the 2nd Market area, only we were not allowed down there at all. It was for ROK's period. I'm not real sure that even the KATUSA's went down there. Oh yeah… and going on pass down to Soel/Itaywan was a blast (good ole hooker hill) :-).

    Great memories… I have endless stories from those 2 years of my life and I do suppose I'd go back if given the chance just to see it, that would be lots of fun. BUt no place ever stays the same… EVER.

  • Erin
    1:14 pm on April 23rd, 2007 9

    I just left Camp Casey, which I spent 2 years there..It was so different but exciting..It is a new place and sometimes have to watch out for things..I loved when they talked about "drinky girls"..the quote they said (THE DRINKY DOESNT LOVE YOU, THEY LOVE YOUR WALLET) was so funny but true..Be careful!! Overall, I would go back..I have great memories and they will never be forgoten!!!

  • Ron
    1:15 pm on April 23rd, 2007 10

    Man the memories came flooding back when I read the stuff on this site.I was there 81-82 C Co. 2nd Aviation Battalion and it sure sounds like things have changed.Sounds like some of the clubs are still there and kickin.The rendezvous club, The new Korea club hell there were so many!!! We never saw any round eyed women they were all Korean back then and it wasnt nealy as expensive!!!Back in them days you could get a short time for less than 10 bucks and an overnight was 20..Had to be back at midnite unless ya had a slicky pass LMAO….The Army wouldnt let us extend cause they figured you were nuts or in the black market…We used to go to work on the flight line that was off post(dont know if it still is)and hook up with some of them women thru the fence…lol..I turned 18 while I was there and it was like a year long party for me..Glad I found this site I feel young again lol…

  • GI Korea
    1:16 pm on April 23rd, 2007 11

    I think the flight line you are refering to is the airstrip across the street from Camp Casey that is now called Camp Mobile. The airstrip on Camp Mobile is now used by the MI guys to fly UAV's from.

    In the ville now you see very few Koreans. The Korean owners of the clubs rely primarily on Phillipinos and some Russians to bring in the money.

    Also now prostitution is illegal and soldiers can get hemmed up bring time for it. So these clubs bring in their money by selling $10 and $20 dollar juicy girl drinks where the girls sit across from you and talk to you. Any prostitution that goes on is kept way on the down low to avoid CID now. I find it so funny that people will pay the $10 and $20 dollars just to talk to girls at these clubs when they could just go to a Korean club and meet Korean women for free.

  • bearcat6
    1:16 pm on April 23rd, 2007 12

    My experience at Casey was a little different than those above. I was sent there in Feb. 1956 for a 16 month tour. We lived in squad tents with little pot bellied oil heaters that were turned off at 11:00 PM. We slept in our sleeping bags all winter. We had no electricity or running water, we hauled our water in 5 gallon cans from a trailer at the mess hall. The messhall was a quonset hut, there was no flatware or cups, so you took your messkit flatware and canteen cup to each meal. the latrines were all outdoor privies that we dug, and there were also piss tubes scattered about the company area. If you wanted a shower it was a 2 mile ride in a deuce and a half to the regimental shower point. Tong Du Chon, which we called Little Chicago was a collection of thatched huts and was off limits as were all villages around Casey. I was with Heavy Mortar Co., 31st Infantry Regiment, 7th ID. As you came in the main gate 7th MP co. was on the left, 31st Tank co. was on the right, The division parade ground was across the road from Tk Co, and were were next company on both sides of the road. The regimental Ammo dump was south right behind our company in a little valley. It's hard for me to imagine a Burger King and pizza delivery on that post. Never mind nightclubs in Little Chiago.

  • GI Korea
    1:17 pm on April 23rd, 2007 13

    If you can believe it the ville that you talk about "Little Chicago" still exists but it is just a run down stretch of buildings near Casey that sell snacks and not much else. But it is amazing to think that 50 years ago that place was called "Little Chicago" as well.

    Also if the changes on Camp Casey surprise you then you would be even more surprised how different the rest of Korea is as well. It is a fully functional democracy with a high tech economy and lifestyle.

  • bearcat6
    1:18 pm on April 23rd, 2007 14

    I think the section you are talking about is what we called the Korean market. That was one place we were allowed to go. It was a bunch of booths selling souvenier junk, overrun with shoeshine boys. We called the whole Ville of Tong Du Chon Little Chiago. What kind of barracks do you have now? I bet they are not squad tents or Quonset huts.

  • GI Korea
    1:19 pm on April 23rd, 2007 15

    The vast majority of soldiers live in barracks that are three stories high and each room holds two to three soldiers and has one restroom in it. You can even get internet and cable TV in them.

    In some isolated cases there are people that live in quonset huts but they are dissapearing fast now. I used to live in a quonset hut back in 2002 but now those particular quonset huts have been knocked down and replaced with new barracks.

  • Joe Herber
    1:20 pm on April 23rd, 2007 16

    Hi,
    I was stationed at Camp Casey from 22Jan67-2Jun68.
    During that time we moved all over Korea ,mostly by foot[onduty],sometimes by Kimshi Cab[of duty].
    I had 5 months on the Z from 2Jan68 to 17May 68. Saw a lot of shoot ups and made many patrols,some scary as hell. Joe was always ready to jump if you screwed up . I would like to get some pics of what the Camp looks like today . Are there stil quonset huts or what. Up on the Z we had 10 man tents ,COLD as HELL in Jan.

  • GI Korea
    1:20 pm on April 23rd, 2007 17

    Joe, there is very few quonset huts left on Camp Casey. Everyone lives in fairly nice barracks buildings now. Korea, Camp Casey, and the TDC ville are quite different than what you remember in the 1960's. Korea has come a long ways for the better.

    Also the US no longer pulls DMZ duty. That mission in just the last few years was turned over completely to the ROKs. One thing that hasn't changed here though is that January is still COLD as HELL!

  • Tania Feliciano
    1:22 pm on April 23rd, 2007 18

    I was stationed in Korea about a year ago.U don't know how much I miss it.The people,their culture,the food it was amazing.I climbed Soyosan Mountain with a korean lady and a korean guy(we became good and close friends)all the way to the top.They view was spectacular.I went to the markets and got me a lot of stuff.I was scared to death to get on Seoul Tower but my korean friend help me out.He also took me to Lotte World OMG!!!(it was like been in Disney)I went to some clubs at Osan with my korean friend we had a great time I'll never forget.My korean friend took me to celebrate New Year's Eve and New Year at Seoul.I did so many things at Korea I'll never forget them.I know there's a lot of Kim's over there but…Kim I had a great time with U I'll never,ever forget U and,what I learned about South Korea !!!I miss U!!!And I keep my promise…I'll be back !!!It'll be sooner than U expect!!!Thanks for this BLOG!!!Hope to get in contact with U soon.

  • newschoolarmy
    1:23 pm on April 23rd, 2007 19

    I am currently stationed in Korea and i will never forget it. It has been a great experience and a bad one. I have had rough times with my wife in the states as do many soldiers gone from their homes, in these times and probably in the old too. But aside from that I have made many friends Korean and American. It is an awesome place to bond with your fellow brothers in arms. I have 2 Katusa's in my squad and they are awesome. It has definately been an experience working with them. I stay away from the drinky girls but I love to look at the Russians…….wow is all i can say hahahah. The female soldiers are definately very wild here. I stay away from them too and i would advise the same to anyone. They are supposedly dirtier than the drinky girls. It is a beautiful country. For some of the old timers I think that you will be very disappointed to see how much GI's are attempted to be taken advantage of financially but I guess to some it may be worth it. Overall my tour here will not be long forgotten. Final note January is COLD! JULY is HOT!

  • anonymous
    1:23 pm on April 23rd, 2007 20

    My husband was stationed at Camp Casey from January 1998-January 1999. I actually went on a tourist visa and lived on the economy in what was called "American Alley." My husband was a private at the time, and I couldn't work because of my visa status, but we were on top of the world. We walked a lot, and did a ton of window shopping. My husband returned for his second tour at Camp Casey in November of 2005. I went over in April 2006, and it was fun to reminisce and explore the old neighborhood! Things have definitely changed in just that short time. I wouldn't want to live there forever, but it is a nice place to visit.

  • bearcat6
    1:24 pm on April 23rd, 2007 21

    I recently read a very good book about the Korean War, "This Kind of War" by T. R. Ferenbach, he said they were calling Tong Du Chon Little Chicago back during the war.

  • D. Cecil
    1:25 pm on April 23rd, 2007 22

    I was stationed on Casey with B 122 SIG in 1991 and loved the night life. There as a club in the ville called The Lone Star that catered to the redneck crowd.

    Nightly the songs, "Stars Spangled Banner", "Proud to be an American" and "Ballad of the Green Berets" were played in "the Star" and God help you if you didn't stand up for all three !

    Re: "little Chicago" – I saw a bootleg copy of "Terminator 2" in a bar in TDC even before it was released in Korea.

    I became "close" to a Korean bar girl who called herself "Tiger". One night when I was especially drunk she began questioning me about my unit's next field problem and the then new SINCGARS radio. I noticed her very thick accent went away as she asked these questions.

    I reported the incident to my 1SG the following morning and Tiger disappeared that same night never to be seen again.

  • gerald skeffington
    1:26 pm on April 23rd, 2007 23

    I was there in 1953-54 spent 15 months in korea most of the time on DMZ. will always rember my time in the army

  • BesottedTom
    3:50 pm on April 23rd, 2007 24

    I was there in 97 and 98 with 1/15th FA right along doodoo creek. This was my first time in Korea. I remember the peace club, the rendezvous club, Mojos, Cheers, and the Together club. Ok…. I remember entering

    those clubs. ;) Drinks were only 5$ for the drinky girls and the philipino gals were just starting to come in. There were no russians yet.

    I tried to get further out into the ville while i was there and succeeded once or twice. My buddy and me even found a bar that was full of Koreans and they treated us wonderfully. I also played pool in a pool hall about 3 or 4 miles from Casey with my Katusa roommate.

    As soon as I leave Iraq, I am going to try to get back to Korea for a 3rd tour.

  • ArmyBrat
    7:57 pm on July 5th, 2007 25

    Here's a different twist to the other stories posted here. I was born in TDC in 1967, my father was a 7th ID, 13th Eng Bn soldier who lived with my Korean mother for a year (common law marriage). He left Korea before I was born, so I've never met him. He knew about me, because he sent money to my mom while he tried to bring her to states. Guess it didn't work out. My mom sent me to the US for adoption when I was 4. A couple months ago I met my mother again after 36 years. Also found out my dad's name and have been in contact with him…its been 40 years, at least I know what he look like now. Well, I'm going up to TDC in a couple days, I'm a Major in the Army now. It will be interesting to work in the town where I was born and lived in until 1971. I've been up there a couple times, but never worked there.

  • Charlie
    7:29 am on July 28th, 2007 26

    OMG Just got done laughing at the memories you just stirred. I was with Cco 2nd AVN at Casey and my future wife was with HHC 2nd AVN (both 82-83). We hung at the Together club, STARZ and stayed away from the lfer dog, NCO's who hung at the New Korea Club………..Gun running down the street and getting chased by hajima's for breaking andol bricks by stumbling over them after consuming way to many Lig Mils or Oscar;s………..and anyone there on New Years Eve and answered the alert sober I salute you….nobody in shops platoon did………..but we did answer…………ahhhhhhh good times………thanks again………..

  • scott haglung
    7:29 am on July 28th, 2007 27

    I was stationed at camp casey and camp hovey in 1982. Im sure alot has changed. I have to say though, I probably had the best time of my life in tdc. You definatly need to learn the tricks to survive, but once you learn them its a blast!

  • scott haglung
    7:31 am on July 28th, 2007 28

    By the way, anybody out there satationed at camp hovey b battery 261 air defence artillary 82-83 e-mail me. really like to share some kick-ass stories! by the way, when I was there the second market place with the girls in the windows was called the turkey farm. I know this by almost getting my ass kicked down there. Oh ya, JINRO RULES!!!!!! GOTTA GET THAT FROG! I need a good yakimandu recipie.

  • CPT KIM
    2:27 am on August 6th, 2007 29

    Joe Herber,

    I was born in Korea in the Fall of 1968.

    Dad? :)

  • The Florida Masochis
    4:42 am on August 6th, 2007 30

    GI,

    Nice and informative post. Besides blogging, I write web fiction. Two of my 26 stories online, were set either in full or in part around Camp Casey and Dongducheon. Both stories revolved around a US Army officer stationed at Casey who had family living in Dongducheon.(One married to a Korean, the other officer's family coming to the ROK on their own) Now having learned from what you wrote, one of those officers should have probably been at Castle not Casey. Why didn't I know you five years ago? LOL.

    Interesting to see and read what I wrote about. The only time I was in the ROK, I never left Seoul. I did have someone who once was stationed at Casey, help provide me info.

    Bill

  • Marcus Atrocious
    6:45 am on August 6th, 2007 31

    Did a couple of "Manchu Miles" on Casey… and my feet hurt every time I think about it.

    Marcus

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    9:35 am on August 6th, 2007 32

    Bill,

    Do you have links to your web fiction stories involving Korea?

  • Bones
    10:04 am on August 7th, 2007 33

    I was stationed there from 89 to 92 302nd FSB had a blast worked hard and played hard. Anyone remember then MG Farris when he was the Commander talk about keepin you on toes or MG Marsh who call alerts on payday week ends or on sundays.

    I was stationed there from 86 to 87 C. Co 70 deuce Cp. Edwards when GEN
    Luck was the Commander he too kept you on your toes but with him what ever worked was okay as long as it was black, brown or OD. He would call an alert anytime of the day he once called one when we eatin chow. Alot of comical s%^t when on back in those days. About Yong Ju Gol and Son Ju Ri I could write a bestseller a those two towns.

    Bones

  • Fred
    1:49 pm on August 7th, 2007 34

    The turtle farm was relocated to Camp Mobile in the last few years. It was located in the middle of Camp Casey prior to that.

  • Bones
    5:23 pm on August 8th, 2007 35

    Fred is correct back then even the KATUSA’s and Koreans called you turtle.

    Bones

  • Matt
    2:44 am on September 2nd, 2007 36

    Many fond memories of Camp Casey, circa 12/91 to 12/92. Spent many nights and cash at the Crown Club and Rendevous. $20 short-times with the "Alley Monsters". "Street Meat" on a stick, kettle-shops, cheap suits, cheap women (no phillipinos or russians), getting off the bus at the turtle farm in -5 Farenheit bone-dry cold. Ten-speed bike ride to the barracks from girlfriends apt, biking really fast when the alert siren sounded. Getting my wallet stolen from a hot chic after a night of wicked sex, she got eighty-bucks, it was worth every penny. Having to kiss the MP's asses to get back on base after said wallet was stolen so I could make PT formation and not get in trouble again. Many a drunken night, crying like a baby when some hoebag I was banging was with some other dude, wow, I was a babbling drunk at times. Beautiful thunderstorms and lightning bouncing off the summit of Soyo-san one evening. Many fond memories.

  • Richard Johnson
    5:02 am on September 16th, 2007 37

    1BN/15th FA 83-84 While I wasn't stationed at Casey, I of course came in through the turtle farm. Wow what memories. I was stationed at Camp Stanley near Ouijongbu. I believe our little ville was Kosang Dong, maybe! It was only 2 blocks along the west fence of Stanley. I only went to TDC maybe twice. It wasn't all that far but, for the same money the kimchi cab drivers would take you to Souel. Our ville while very small probably had at least 50 different clubs in it. My first was the Nice Club, from there Inchon Store, Mustang Club, World Club and countless others. If not for spending about 2 weeks out of every month in the field we would have never had a sober moment while in Korea. We had 2 story barracks then and even though the rooms were made for 2-3 men 4-7 ended up in them. Community Restrooms in the baracks although the senior NCO's had semi private rooms with their own restrooms. We always seemed to have prostitutes that would follow our unit out to the field from whatever village was the closest to where we were staying that night. As a medic I didn't partake in any of the field girls but, I had my share in the ville. Also, as a medic I would get updates on which clubs were passing what deseases and steered clear of them. Not a perfect system but, I had fun!!! I understand that the 1/15th is out of Casey now. I would go back in a minute if the chance presented itself even without legal prostitution. I could have a blast with civilians too. If you want to have some really great times hank out with KATUSA's. The korean people threat them like gods.

  • Richard Johnson
    5:23 am on September 16th, 2007 38

    Oh yeah and it is Cold as hell in the winter. I used to go to the field as the BN Ambulance Driver. I had it better that most as the ambulance was insulated and we had a mogas stove that we burned constantly to keep warm. Then one day all the medics pitched in to buy a kerosene heater for the ambulance. We would be inside sleeping on top of our mummy bags in our underwear while it would be 10 below outside. Big problem was when we would leave the ambulance to get chow everybody else would sneak in to the ambulance to get warm. We'd get back and the ambulance would have anywhere from 10-15 people in the back. Also slickie boy was a big problem especially in the field. One of my seargents and I had our wallets stolen out of our clothes while we were sleeping. The scary thing was we were using our clothes as our pillows that night. Our company commander used to have a standing order that he would give a case of beer to anyone who brought in a slickie boy.

    Do you still have house boys there. We had house boys for around $30.00 a month we didn't have to lift a finger to clean our rooms, do laundry, shine our boots, make our bunks. Ours also doubles as the local loan shark in case you ran out of money before payday. We also had a field ogima who came out to the field with us and would trade you a warm Korean meal for your C-Rats. That's right we were still eating out of cans in the field. Finally in 84 we started getting MRE's. The field ogima didn't know what to think of them. The blackmarket didn't have a value set for them at the time. No russian women back the we were still in the cold war then.

    The peace talks in Burma were bombed by North Korea while I was there. The Korean Airliner shot down by the Soviet Union happened while I was there. I lost 2 friends on that flight.

    I spent Christmas with the family of a Retired ROK officer through the USO. He was also a general manager at Motrola.

    We had a sadistic first seargent who loved to pull the whole batteries passes whenever he felt like messing with us. A hole in the fence NW of the gate took care of that.

  • Linda Kim
    11:44 pm on December 11th, 2007 39

    1980-early 1990 was pick of prostitute activity in Dongducheon.

    At that time most Korean-prostitutes provided sex for US militaly soldiers and earned money. If someone who was a soldier at Camp Casey in Dongducheon and marriged with Korean-woman in 1990's,then probably 99% his wife was a Korean-prostitute. I know a lot of prostitutes in Dongducheon was trying to move the States using marriage with US soldiers because they did not have choise to live since they were always outsiders from Korean-sociaty.

    I was a bar's owner in 1980-1995 Dongducheon. I Know a lot of Korean-prostitutes, named Heayoung,Meesoon,Jung,Soonja,Gilja…They all married with US soldiers.

  • Braswell
    4:49 am on December 27th, 2007 40

    Stationed at Camp Mobile 86-87

    I miss my dawgs! Marshall, Frog*, Green, Tinman, Beltrain,Saucer,Ramey,Rose,Michelle, Williams, Franklin and many,many others! We has a great time!

    Who knows the Black Rose, Underground and the Skochi'sto'.

    What a Time!

    Hats off to all of you

    We are true Brothers and Sisters in Kind

    Not many get to share these memories.

    I whish you all well

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  • Lawrence
    7:58 pm on December 28th, 2007 42

    Thanks for the great memories. 2000-2002. I think the worst part was pulling into the turtle farm and staying there for two years. While i was there they had the HETS motor pool where the airstrip is. That was definitely the best time I had in the army save for the crappy leadership and their inability to learn how to drive huge trucks on Korean roads. But the clubs made up for that…at least what i can remember ;). I think not a day goes by where i reminisce about Korea. And i definitely took it all in. The best food I ever ate…Thank you TDC and 2nd Market. Remember how they told you not to get your hair cut off post because the Koreans would kill you? I found a place by my Korean girlfriends place…or wwas that my russian girlfriend…anyways…would cut your hair, wash your face and hair and give you a massage for 6 green ones or 7,000W. I should re enlist and go back.

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  • Phil Koziol
    8:07 pm on February 4th, 2008 44

    Served 1978 to 1979 at Camp Casey, A Co. 2nd Avn Bn. (UH-1D Inspector) and from 1985 to 1986 (UH-60A Aviator). Best of all tours!!!

  • kenneth d. shields
    12:16 am on February 7th, 2008 45

    I was at Camp Hovey, A Co. 1st Btn 23 Rd. Infantry 2nd Division. That was in 1973-74. Went to Toko-ri and TDC quite alot. Back then it was alot of fun. Lots of beautiful girls. Spent much time in the field but returning was time for the Ville. I remember just outside the gate of Camp Hovey there was Suki's store and down the street was Sambo's. Both places were lone sharking establishments. Went to Yongigul a few times. On the southern mission we went to Camp Humphrey and used to go to Pyongtek when we had a little time off. But now when looking at the website on TDC and Toko-ri these places really went down the drain! The area is more developed but it was the clubs and girls that made up the place. Sure miss it.

  • Jeff Pullis
    8:43 am on February 28th, 2008 46

    Hi! I am Jeff pullis from Minneapolis, MN

    I was stationed at CRC, in Oijongbu, South Korea.

    I was there from Nov 05-Nov 07

    It was the best time of my life. I never thoutht in the world of going to Korea, let alone I got to travel to Manila, Philippines on my tour. I also went up to

    TDC almost every weekend I could. It has changed over the years 100%. They still have drinky girls. Yes, it is $20 to sit and talk with them for 20 min. Not worth it, but just the culture and experience of being there made it worth the while. I met so many friends. I also learned how to play pool very well there. I went to Mojos bar and all the other ones.

    I also bought many souviners and collectables.

    Thanks,

    Jeff

  • John
    5:50 am on March 2nd, 2008 47

    "Together Club", 102nd MI, Camp Hovey, Camp Casey, early 1980's.

    Wow! Have 20+ years really gone by that fast. I can still almost smell the garlic enhance hotdog stand across from our little two story barracks on Casey.

    Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

  • Shawn Miller
    7:51 am on March 2nd, 2008 48

    The STARZ club! I have a picture of me and my buddy standing in front of those giant-azz speakers. Freaking metal at top volume! Loved that place.

    Damn, memories come flooding back, fuzzy but there… :mrgreen:

  • Scott
    10:14 pm on March 3rd, 2008 49

    shawn Id love to see those pics.I was there

    june 78-dec 80.csc2/72nd armor scout plt.

    82-83 B co 1/38th inf,june 84-june 85 jsf

    panmunjom.was there when it went from lions den

    to the starz,lived with a girl that worked there

    from dec79 to dec 80,used to burn blunts with

    the owner "charlie" on the roof. I also loved the

    dark side of the moon club and the eagles (aka

    the head club)no hookers,and great times,great

    girls and great people

  • A Profile of USFK Camps in Uijongbu
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  • Bruce Richards
    11:48 pm on March 20th, 2008 51

    I was stationed in Korea 4 times, with the 1st in 1960-61, at Camp Casey and Camp Kaiser. I was a truck driver then with the 17th Transportation Bn, which was located in Happy Valley, now called Dragon Valley. I really enjoyed my time there, and driving mostly the roads from Casey to Kaiser, which was about 30 miles north east of Casey.

    I made up a web page about my time in Korea with many pictures of Camp Casey, and the surrounding area.

    http://www.qsl.net/wd4ngb/ccasey.htm

  • Phil Koziol
    4:36 pm on March 21st, 2008 52

    Served 1964 to 1965, A Co. 8th Egnr Bn, 1st Cav Div, north of the Imgin river between Liberty and Freedom Bridge (Camp Gary Owens). Duty: Combat Engineer, 5 ton Dump Truch driver and Demolition.

  • A Profile of the Korea Training Center
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  • Bobby Vestal
    12:38 am on March 26th, 2008 54

    I was stationed in Korea at Camp Nimble from Nov 1993 thru Nov 1994. I was in Alpha Company 702nd MSB, I actually started out at Camp Mobile and we moved to Camp Nimble.

    I would love to swap stories with some of you guys that might have been in that unit.. any time period.

    my email is bluesox7@mchsi.com

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  • Harvey Stewart
    8:25 am on April 7th, 2008 56

    Wow! Readin all the comments, I feel foolish for not paying attention. Flew in Kimpo Nov 15, 70 went to reception and labled a turtle. I understood that was becaus the new guy was expected to be scared and like a turtle hide in his shell?

    I was stationed for a couple of months somewhere in bumf—- egypt; all i remember we were on a small post and went to multipal compounds providing security the out fence line was both horizontal and virticle with concrete posts and wire tops making up about 10" squares, then coiled razor wire in between with another bobwire fence inside that.

    I was in A Co. 728th military Police somewhere northeast of Seoul probably 45minutes to an hour drive. I recall the vill directly across the dirt the compound, ""Black Magic Woman would play whenever an MP entered. I was later stationed south in youngsan w/C Co. 728MP now there`was a vill! We were notified to take care of 2Id whenever they came down from the "Z", more like don't let them get ripped off.

    Man, 37 years ago, a time i have the most respect and value for, some of the best people I've ever met. reading I sort of felt the progress had actually ruined what it use to be, no american food, few paved streets, and getting beat was always a posibility. We lived about 1mile of the main compound called camp Tracey, it was a condemmed ROK Marine compound. story has it that a C Co. MP who I met In A Co. had got the four stars daughter pregnant and as punishment C Co. 728MPs was moved off compound, the MP was sent to A Co. 728MPs and he was on his second tour when I arrived. I was 19 and left when I was 21 reluctantly, it was more home then home.

    If anyone knows what compound A Co. 728MPs occupied before moving south to Camp Humphries please let me know, Quantset huts was there any other housing besides houch? Hohor Guard had the only brick two story building i knew of. Comsamnida

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  • Willie LaFleur
    9:56 pm on April 10th, 2008 58

    This article is beautifully done. I was stationed in TDC from Jan. '74 to Dec. '74 and still have fond memories of the "ville". That distinct aroma when we were running PT is a smell that you don't forget. I had some good times in TDC. I loved Korea so much, I went back in 1977. I was stationed at Camp Sears '77 to '78. That was a bad trip caused by some butt-hole officers. I would like to go back to visit the new Korea some day.

  • scubafella45
    3:13 am on April 11th, 2008 59

    Actually the "Turtle Farm" I remember from both my tours was not on Camp Moble. It was on Camp Casey proper and looks to me, from the satillite image to have been where the pool is now. My first tour was 91-93, second was 96-98, in 98 I did out process from Camp Mobile as the "farm" had moved there. The origin of the term "Turtle" I was told, came from the out processing building being across a side walk from the inprocessing building (that was true) and that it took a year to cross that sidewalk, hence the term turtle for such a slow trip of about 6 feet.

  • Michael Archer
    6:42 am on April 24th, 2008 60

    I was at Camp Casey 1989-91 with the 302nd FSB. In approx. March/April 1990, during "Team Spirit" there was a terrible rollover accident involving a soldier in an APC. He was decapitated. I was on a 10k forklift directly behind him. I need someone who can remember any details or accident reports filed around this time frame.

    If you know any information, please e-mail me welovemattie@yahoo.com.

    Michael Archer

  • Information
    4:12 pm on May 30th, 2008 61

    I imagine the enemy has this info. Good job media. why don't you learn to protect and gurad the freedom you are provided with. The owner of whatever can take his money and put it in his personal vault if you know what I mean. I hope he and you who support him are one day wake up in a terrorist area with no military to protect you.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    12:13 am on May 31st, 2008 62

    This is the first time I have ever been accused of being part of the media?

    All the satellite imagery is from Google Earth which anybody can download to include America's enemies. None of the pictures in this posting are from on post. The pictures are all from off post that any civilian can walk to and take pictures of the camp from.

    I intentionally did not post any pictures I took from inside the camp just so no one could accuse me of giving the enemy intelligence information.

    You might want to read this posting and especially the comments to see that the enemy already has ready access to USFK installations.

  • Harvey Stewart
    7:30 am on June 5th, 2008 63

    I've been in contact with Rick Puzio A co. 728MP, Richard Smih A Co. 728 MP and Gary Holland C Co. 728MP; I wonder where Navarro, Green, Roger Johnson, The Hawk Henderson, Goodwin, Davis and the rest of the 1970-71 728MPs are, Bratyanski, Samples, Krouse, Col. Belford, Capt. Lowery and Top Foughlong, sorry if I spelt anyones name wrong and lets not forget Maj. Harrison.

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  • john lee
    5:31 pm on June 29th, 2008 65

    i was at camp hovey in 1964 and 65 :mrgreen:

  • john lee
    5:32 pm on June 29th, 2008 66

    1 was at camp hovey in 1964 and65

  • DMZDave
    8:46 pm on June 29th, 2008 67

    Agree with Scubafella that the term "turtle farm" came from the fact that it takes one year to travel a short distance from the inprocessing to the outprocessing buildings. Also recall we referred to the ditches as "turtle traps" because drunken new arrivals tended to fall in them though frankly many a GI who had a few too many managed to fall in as I recall.

    Also agree that there is nothing posted on this site that the North Koreans can't pull down from a host of open sources including Google Earth.

    I too recall showing up at the concentration camp like setting of the "turtle farm" as a young officer and wondering what the heck I had done to deserve this. It was February 1983 and the temperature was nose hair freezing cold, damn cold, colder than anything I ever experienced and then we would go to the field.

    The story about field girls near Camp Stanley reminded me of a particularly funny memory. I was at the Divarty TOC one night when the Headquarters Battery Commander received a call from the Divarty Commander informing him that there was a young woman in his field hootch and he demanded to know what he was supposed to do?

    The Headquarters Battery Commander responded with his tongue firmly planted in his cheek and much to the delight of everyone listening to the exchange in the TOC "Sir, you really don't know what to do?"

    The Divarty Commander wasn't amused and the Headquarters Battery Commander beat feet to round up the girl and move her out of the area while the rest of us just cracked up.

  • Mike Hale
    6:18 pm on July 5th, 2008 68

    Initially served at Camp Hovey 1974-75; Rock of the Marne HHC 1/38th. Back then Hovey was the 'All Infantry Brigade' under the Blue Eagle, Col William C. Glisson. Casy was commanded by the Gunfighter, General Henry Emmerson and I Corps was commanded by LTG Hollingsworth. 8th Army had Gen Stillwell. Anyway, I first remember the v. d. film and the 2nd Div briefing we reeceived at Camp Coiner in Yongsan. Part of it went something like this, "The next time, you're down here in Yongsan with these 8th Army scum, you will likely feel sick to your stomach. Thats wjen you will reach in your pocket and pull out your 2nd Div patch, AND DRIVE ON." Back then in 74-75, the girls who primarily hung out with The Brothers, wore red, black and green and wore afros. Other girls wore Puerto Rican colors. I saw some with Mexican colors. Still others would be seen walking with a G.I. and both would have on cowboy boots, hats and jeans. Short-times were $4. to $5. Overnights were $8.00, If she was hot they would bargain for $10. Back then we referred to street girls as Track Stars. In Tokkori, my buddies and I primarily hung out in a little store where we drank Oscar, Mok-oli, gin-ro or Crowns and ate ramyon w/ sausages. In TDC, I made thunder runs sometimes, which meant starting at one end of the strip and making it to the other end while drinking one drink in each club. I sometimes turned right outside of Camp Casey's main gate and frequented the Ville on that end. Back in the dAY, that area was frequented only by Blacks. I did four tours. I was in Sonyori78-79. I was in Yongsan/Osan 79-81 and back in Casy 83-84. The change in Korea was dramatic from my first tour 74-75 and final one in 83-84. I did it all; I went to the TDC and Yonjugal Turkey Farms, (P.s. If you dont know about this—well :)I also participated in a couple of skin shows (same thing). I weny to 2nd Market several times, Authorized or Not. Overall a great time.

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    9:33 pm on August 11th, 2008 69

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  • Chris
    5:29 pm on August 11th, 2008 70

    I'm stationed here at Camp Casey right now with the 55th MPCO. I have spent almost two years here and have to agree with previous comments that it will be unforgetable. To address another comment, the park which was mentioned is not off limits.

  • Ancient Soldier
    10:53 am on September 12th, 2008 71

    Thanks to the soldiers that got there before my first tour in 1961. You did a great job in the early 50s. I'm honored to be of a later generation but still the same fraternity. ALL THE WAY, SIR!

    Everything that can be said about that era has been said. I went back in late 69 and returned to the states shortly before the 7th was disbanded at Ft Lewis. During the last tour I was cadre at the 7th Infantry Whitman NCO Academy which changed to the 8th Army Whitman NCO Academy while I was there. I was assigned to the 7th Division with duty at the Academy.

    TDC was still TDC while I was there as were many of the other towns up and down the road for Seoul all the way to Inchon. It is a time I'll never forget as well. And I never want to go back again. You know the old saying. You can never go home because home no longer exists as you remember it. But for the most part, it really was the Army’s best kept secret.

    I am happy to hear the troops now have good quarters to call home and I’m also glad they no longer have to go to the DMZ. I don’t know about recent days, but Americans were still being shot at and sometimes killed when I was there the last time. How well I remember the Q-huts with the stinking diesel space heaters. But even that was better than the guys in tents. Seems like our Diesel always ran out in the middle of the night and I was the one to change the jerry can. I guess we didn’t exercise the 6 Ps too well.

    We had a golf course on Casey when I was there. Is it still there? Also a “wink wink” massage parlor.

    Good memories and bad, what a great life I’ve had.

  • mccrayz
    7:23 am on September 20th, 2008 72

    I was stationed at Camp Castle from Dec 2006-Dec 2007. That is the best kept secret. The only people who have negative stuff to say about Korea or Dongducheon are either racists or the ones who think they're better than the Asians. Beautiful culture and people who are very warm and friendly. I had my family there with me during my tour. My kids went to school in Seoul but it was a great experience for all of us. My husband just loved it there. I hope they would turn it into a Command-sponsored tour for all soldiers.

  • kenyg
    4:33 am on October 9th, 2008 73

    Great site. I was in the 102nd MI Bn on Camp Hovey (starbase hovey anyone?) 1980-81. What a blast.

    Starz club! Together club! omg – big time memories, and almost a tear to my eye.. lol.

    "Hey GI, short-time iso?.. me love you long time"… lol – oh to be 18 and in TDC on a payday night in summer 1980… hear that siren go off and go running back to base… :)

    Good times.

    - Ken

  • Brennan
    4:31 am on October 28th, 2008 74

    I was station there with the 13th engr Jan 1963 to 64 Feb We slept in Quanson huts oil burnsers both ends to keep warm you could see the 38th from the Mess hall . What was the name of the Village back of the Motor pool?

  • Denise
    5:41 pm on December 5th, 2008 75

    I was stationed at Camp Casey/Camp Hovey from January of 1983 to December of 1984; 102nd MI Bn, 2nd Inf. Div.. and I have many fond…and no so fond memories of TDC, Tokori…lol…the Korean girls in the clubs. My exhusband and I were both in the same Company, just different platoons. I remember we had a hooch in TDC where we would gather with our friends and sit around on the heated floor cranking out UmmaGumma by Pink Floyd and popping those pills called Romilars (Im sure I have the name of the pills spelled wrong) and drinking Portoju. I have alot of pictures from those days in the Rendevous Club, Starz Club, etc. If I can I will post them at a later date. Anyone else serve around the same time!! Anyone remember "Slicky Mountain." I just wish I was older when I went over there as I was just 17 and just wanted to party and have fun. Got some cool mink blankets still though.

  • scott
    10:52 pm on December 5th, 2008 76

    This is to ken and denise,Iwas there when you guys were there,78-80 at camp casey scout plt csc 2/72nd armor,82-83 at hovey b co 1/38th inf

    I was also there 84-85 at the jsf in panmunjiom

    and extended threw 86 at sf-det k in yongsan.

    Nothing in this world beats those first 2 tours

    especialy the first.yes denise I belive you spelled it right,being a former "romilar ranger" myself,well lets say I experimented.many memories and pics to share,would love to write to you guys if interested and would kill to see those pics of the starze club.for years that place was my temple,my safe haven.the owner and I were good friends from getting fried together on the roof overlooking the city and river with neil young's powderfinger screaming over the stereo in 78-80 when it went from being the lions den to the starze,to telling him goodbye for the last time in 86.It wasnt realy him or the club,but the years of great times and adventure.becoming a man,getting married,having kids experiencing combat (greneda 83 panmunjiom shootout over soviet defector in 84)somehow I always managed to find my way back in that place.shoot the sh*t with my old friends and relax.I know this sight is about sharing great memories so I wont get all emotional about it.But I'd be lying if If I said I realy didnt miss it.some of the stuff ive read here I never herd of in all my years there like the tokko-ri

    midget It was the tokko-ri amazon we went to see,and that was only if it was true….it was.

    Ive got plenty of pics but amayzingly none of the starze.sounds like the ville of today sucks compared to our time or before,its all disapearing now,the camps are closing,I'm out of the army (wounded in somalia 93) and my first wife died and my kids are grown.Now my temple,my safe haven,the place I go to relax…is on my harley,or at home with the 2nd wife and 3kids.

    But sometimes at night,I close my eyes to sleep

    and Im walking into the starze,waving at the dj all the way across the place,sitting at the bar and ordering an ob and a shot all my buddies are there,"charlie" comes over to ask us if we want to smoke one and up the stairs we go up past the pool room to the roof,the stars are out,the lights are on below and neil young is just starting to sing powderfinger and all is right with the world. great sight thanks for letting me share.

  • kenyg
    1:56 am on December 6th, 2008 77

    Right on Scott & Denise -

    Remember – "what have you done for PFC Warrior today?" – I always thought to myself, I gave him blisters..or a touch of frostbite… lol.

    I have some old pics of the starz somewhere – I remember Charlie- he'd make tapes for me sometimes.

    People that weren't there just don't understand it.I've never been as tight with a bunch of people as I was in the ROK.

    I lost my wife recently – god bless & ride safe my friend.

    Ken

  • jim
    10:40 am on February 24th, 2009 78

    I was at Camp Casey the same dates you were there. I was an MP, so I probably checked to see if you had a day pass or overnight pass at the walk thru front gate. A lot of mayonaise used to go thru those gates lol

  • jim
    10:56 am on February 24th, 2009 79

    Ken, I was at Camp Casey from 1978-1980 and again in 1984. What a blast. I was with the MP Company. Half of us stayed at the camp when it was the big field time of the year, forget the name. Anyway the girls were dirt cheap then because there were only MP's and a skeleton crew from other companies.

  • scott
    11:51 am on February 24th, 2009 80

    right back at you ken,and jim you definatly would have checked my pass,would love to tell you a couple of stories about mp's sometime and see if you might have been involved or know the guys who were.

    sorry about your loss ken,we should exchange emails.

    take care all

    Scott

  • Bruce
    12:11 pm on February 24th, 2009 81

    I spent 4 tours in Korea, and looking back, they were the best years of my life. We worked hard, but partied even harder.

    Here is the web page I made about Camp Casey.

    http://qsl.net/wd4ngb/ccasey.htm

    I just set up a forum for guys that were in Korea to use.

    http://korea.forumakers.com/

  • Darius Lambert
    5:57 am on March 20th, 2009 82

    that's" thank goodness"!

  • Richyrich03867
    7:36 am on March 30th, 2009 83

    I notice a few guys mentioning the Starz Club. It opened in winter 1979, it became one of my favorite hangouts because the DJ played great tunes and there werent 20 business girls bugging the crap out of you. If you were looking for that, there were 50 other clubs right downstairs for you. We were up there one night and this mamasan comes in and was going table to table, asking "You want a nice girl?". She got to our table and I decided I would be a smartass so I told her "NO! I don't want a girl. I want a juicy young fat little boy!". Well she laughed, we all laughed and she walked away, I figured that was the end of it. Damn if she didn't show up about an hour later with a little chubby Korean boy in tow. Man we just died, she sure shut me up!

  • JAMES GERBER
    9:27 am on March 30th, 2009 84

    I WAS AT CAMP CASEY FROM FEB 1968 TO FEB 1970 IN THE 7 TH DIVISION. READING THE COMENTS ABOUT TDC SURE DO BRING BACK THE GOOD MEMORIES ABOUT LIFE IN THE ARMY IN SOUTH KOREA. IF I WERE TO GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT THOSE TWO YEARS WERE THE BEST TWO YEARS OF MY LIFE. HELL AFTER 40 YEARS I STILL HAVE VERY GOOD MEMORIES OF THE FUN LIFE IN TDC. I DID HAVE A KOREAN GIRL FRIEND FOR ALMOST THE WHOLE 2 YEARS, AND TO THIS DAY I STLL WOUNDER JUST WHAT BECAME OF HER, HER NAME WAS CHA YOUNG JA AND I WOULD STILL LOVE TO FIND OUT ABOUT HER

  • King dog
    11:35 am on April 4th, 2009 85

    I was stationed at camp casey 84 to 8a 2nd inf div Aco 702

  • King dog
    11:36 am on April 4th, 2009 86

    1984to1985

  • Jerry Etheridge
    11:49 am on April 5th, 2009 87

    Was in Casey Feb 71 and to Mar 72 and again May 86 to Mar 87…..served with Gen Luck when he was a COL in 8th ID. Served with MG Farris. Again when he was in TRADOC. Served with Luck again when he was a 4 star. Could now ask for better boss. Korea is a memory…some good, some bad. But the people there at the time are always friends.

    Jerry

  • Jim
    9:19 am on April 7th, 2009 88

    I was stationed at Camp Casey early 1954 with 7th Div Artillery Hq. Returned for visit in May 08, really a different place now. I published a book about my army days and the war over there, "I remember The Forgotten War" published by Authorhouse Publishing. Available on internet.

  • Bruce
    9:48 am on April 7th, 2009 89

    Jim,

    I was at Casey in 60, and visited it in 70, 78, and 82, and saw all the changes during those times. I can only imagine what it would be like from 54 to 08. Jim, I have a web page about Casey, with lots of pictures. I would love to add some from your 1954 time frame. I have 1 showing all the tents, just before they started building the quonset huts.

    You can check it out here.
    http://qsl.net/wd4ngb/ccasey.htm

    If you have any to add, or anyone else, you can email them to the address on the page.

    Bruce

  • Mr. Holland
    5:45 am on April 17th, 2009 90

    looking for Ms. Pak from the charlie chan club 1981-82

  • Pete Bodoh
    6:30 am on April 17th, 2009 91

    I was at Nimble when the flood hit in 1998. That was when the worst flood was. Our trucks were under water. I was there Oct 1997 to Oct 1998. It was quite the expereince. I will never forget the turtle ditches and Jakie B's. Long live the Sun King's. ( one of the good bands to visit the camp then).

  • Don
    5:22 am on May 11th, 2009 92

    I was 2nd MP Company 1978-1979, but I was 4th platoon up north at Camp Pelham. I only spent 1 night at Casey.

    Yongigol made TDC look like Kiddyland.

  • Charles Washburn
    6:53 am on May 18th, 2009 93

    I was stationed at Camp Casey from Apr 69 to May 70 in 7th Inf Div Hq. I would like to hear from others stationed there during that time.

  • Shawn
    1:46 am on May 19th, 2009 94

    Does anyone remember the video that had all of the film footage of live fire explosions etc.? Tanks firing, missles hitting, etc etc…and it was set to AC/DC's "For Those About To Rock"? :mrgreen:

    The Starz would play that and the place would come unglued sometimes… :wink:

  • denise lippold
    4:23 am on June 21st, 2009 95

    I agree, his summary was very well…alot of soldiers were in the service 20-40 years ago…so I guess its alot to remember in detail, especially those of us who partied our azzz'es off over there.

  • denise lippold
    4:26 am on June 21st, 2009 96

    Hi Vickie…I wish I could help…however, I was in Korea in the early to mid 1980's. I think it is great that you are pursuing your dad's military history!! Good luck!!

  • Vickie Bryant
    10:11 am on June 21st, 2009 97

    My dad, Charlie M. Bryant was stationed at Camp Casey sometime between 55-57. He was with the 7th Div. 31st Tank Company, APO 7-7th Div. I don’t know if you knew him or of him. My dad passed away Nov. 2001 and was trying to get his records from the Army. He was told that The Army had no records of him. However I do have a copy of his Honorable Discharge and I have photos of him in uniform. Any info you can provide would be great.

    Thank you,
    Vickie Bryant

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    3:50 pm on June 21st, 2009 98

    Thanks for visiting the site Vickie. Please check out this post over at the ROK Drop Forums which may help you find the records for your dad:

    http://rokdrop.com/forums/topic.php?id=105

  • Richard
    3:02 pm on July 8th, 2009 99

    I was station at Casey in 1964-1965. i was with the 702 support.Do you have some picture. Iwould like to see.

  • Dax Connolly
    2:31 pm on July 26th, 2009 100

    I was stationed at Camp Sears from 2000-2002. I always find myself thinking of that place. Its like its calling me back. Has anyone been there from 2000 on? I know its closed now. I had a dog named Ewso that i saved from a kegogi farm as a puppy. My platoon was the Early Warning Sensing Operators from 5-5 ADA. Thats how he got his name. I had to leave him because i got orders for Ft Bliss and Iraq was coming into the picture. I miss that dog!!

  • Bruce
    6:09 am on July 27th, 2009 101

    Scott, your tours and feelings are so much like mine. My 1st Tour was 1960-61,pre-SOFA days, and what a experience. The Wild West description fits perfect. I was stationed at Casey, but spent 3 months up at Cp Kaiser also. Kaiser was located north of Rodriguez Range, near Unchon-ni. While at Kaiser, we got a 2 day pass each month to go down to Casey to rest. What a laugh, I needed a rest after spending the 2 days in TDC. We had R&Rs to Japan back then also.

    Camp Casey
    http://www.qsl.net/wd4ngb/ccasey.htm

    Camp Kaiser
    http://www.qsl.net/wd4ngb/ckaiser.htm

    My 2nd Tour in 69-70, I was at Cp Stanley, but spent about 6 months at Cp St Barbara next to Rodriguez range and the Chinese Tunnel. This was the best of the 4 tours. The Vill outside of Stanley was a blast. Some of you newer guys there probably think those ditches beside the hill going down into vill were put there to control the rain run off. Those are the results of the guys from the early years crawling up the hill, after some serious partying, to make "Bed Check". :) When I was up at Cp St Barbara, I was part of a 12 man Detachment, that never seen the rest of the Company except for Payday, when we loaded up in our 2 1/2 ton van, and drove to Stanley. I was a SP6 then, and after we got a new Commander, on our next Payday, while reporting for pay, he commented on what a great job he heard we were doing up at the Detachment. He said he was going to come up to visit us in the next week or two. I was glad to get a early warning. The village out side of Cp St Barbara was small, but what it lacked it size, it made up for in action. The closeness that we had between the guys at the Detachment, was only matched from that found in Nam between guys in a squad.

    Camp Stanley
    http://www.qsl.net/wd4ngb/campstanley.htm

    Camp St Barbara
    http://www.qsl.net/wd4ngb/stbarbara.htm

    My 3rd Tour was down south at "The Hump". What a trip that was in 78-79. I was in HQ Company Garrison, and was in charge of the TMP Motor Pool. I had been stationed at Campbell with the 101st, and going to the Hump in Hq Garrison, was like being in the Boy Scouts. It was a very good assignment, but I missed the Wild West of the earlier years. Angung-ni was a lot more tame than the villages I had become use to.

    Camp Humphreys:
    http://www.qsl.net/wd4ngb/cp%20humphreys.htm

    My last Tour was at Camp Red Cloud in 81-82. This is when Red Cloud was being readied for the 2nd ID to move in. There was lots of construction on CRC, and Uijongbu had changed from a village to a small city since my earlier tours.

    Camp Red Cloud
    http://www.qsl.net/wd4ngb/crc.htm

    Korea had advanced a huge amount in those years, but lost a lot of what made it unique also. It is rare to see Koreans dressed in there traditional cloths now, and many other things that were seen daily, are now only seen on special occasions. Korea is more than capable of defending them selves now, so it is time for us to depart.

  • Scott
    10:36 am on July 27th, 2009 102

    Hey Dax
    I can realy relate to you…but heres the thing,I had been been feeling that way since my first tour in the late 70′s.So let me do what I can to help you out by sharing some things with you from my own experiences.Look at the people on this webb page,from the end of the war in the 50′s to now, myself included,feel the same as you do.And weather you believe it or not,those of us stationed there in the 50′s 60′s 70′s and 80′s had it 1000 times better then.It was the wild west,the enemy wasnt someguys over the border,they were guys we faced off with daily if you were in the infantry like I was.I was there my friend,I walked the streets of the ville,slept in warrior base across the road from firebace 4 papa 1,pulled qrf,manned guard posts collier and oullette,went on live ambush patrols inside the z.I have 5 imjin scout awards and was there in the jsf when burgoyne got shot in the face and a rok soldier was killed and several nkpa soldiers were killed and wounded.please bare with me as Im not saying I or my time was any better than you or yours,( THOUGH I THINK SO)Im trying to make a point,to help you realize something its taken me 30 years to realize.Each era did its thing over there.after my first tour ended I would go back for more hoping to find what I missed and lost from the first.It realy started changing in the mid 80′s and I didnt want to go back anymore,Dex I saw plenty of combat in my tours with the 3 bns of the 75th ranger regiment,but my time on the z made me ready for places like greneda,panama and somalia,The love I had for a girl who worked in the starze club,made me able to be the husband and father I am today.Ive had the opportunity to go back,something I always wanted to do but dont feel the obsession with it anymore.Ill tell you why,On my first tour we would talk of riding harleys and opening our own bar,heres the problem with that,the msr was the only passable rd.you couldnt live there as a civilian unles employed by usfk,couldnt have a pov much less a harley ect.ect.fast forward to 2004 long retired from the military(wia somalia 93)thinking alot about the past and like you my first tour in the rok,I used the internet to find some old friends and found my bestfriend of that era Mike,with whom I was there that 1st tour and was best man at his wedding and whom I last saw in 82.I found my friend pappy with whom ive never met but is a civilian employee ridind harleys in the rok!and of course,I found my internet friend,biker and bar owner in tdc mojo,these guys made me realize its all gone (korea of the 50′s-early 80′s)including the bases,dmz mission,guardposts ect,now my friend mike said the most important thing of all to me,I asked if he’d like to go back with me,he said why?look at how big and strong it is now,the rok we knew was gone,but the way korea is now showed we had done our job of keeping them free.
    Thats when it hit me dude,and im passing this on to you but especialy those in our era (mine,mikes and those from the 50′s to mid 80′s)there are thousands and thousands of ghosts that walk the streets of the ville,who stand guard against attack on empty forgotten places.there the ghosts of G.I.’s and of girls who’s dreams never come true.ghosts of guys singing and tosting one another in abandoned buildings that once were bars or maybe still are.time slips by quikly and for me and Im sure most of the people on this sight it seems like yesterday and we all want to go back,but for us its not just the place but the time,so to you all I say job well done.now this august I have the chance to go back.I chose instead to get some 16 inch apehangers for my harley and on august 6th a plane will arrive at portland maine from colorado springs colorado carrying my friend mike for our first visit
    in 28 years and nearly 31 to the day we first met in the rok.That girl from the starze club,well that story is private and didnt turn out the way we both hoped,but Ill share this with you,she is married with two kids,now grown,in mo.I hope this helps dude,embrace the past,dont live in it,some day,I hope that despite all the good and bad that went on over there,when I kick off,I get to go back there like I still do in my dreams,until my wife comes,cause Id rather be with her.Find meaning in your life while cherishing the past.If your to young to understand what I meen now,you wont be someday.

  • Scott
    10:31 pm on July 27th, 2009 103

    Hey Bruce,

    looks like you and I were there about the same time

    my friend.I was there during your last 2 tours.

    exept that I was there 82-82 while you were there 81-82 and though I was stationed at camp hovey,when

    my 1st wife(I got married on that tour)had our daughter,she had to go to st.mary's hospital in uijongbu to have her.Like Dex,I never go a day without thinking of that place,that time actually.

    The ghosts that walk those streets,mountains,ect.

    The dmz.I realy ment what I said about how it got me ready for things to come in life and how the tension of being the dmz in the gp's,running live patrols,being at warrior base or serving in the jsf

    was at times even more scarey then greneda,panama or even somalia,and that was bad.Your right about the changes,from what ive seen and those ive talked to over there Id barly recognize it.I envy you guys from the 60's but us from the 70's had it about the same,living in quonset huts ect.ect.The almost daily clashes with the nkpa,while ours were few and far between,they happened.I was at hovey in 82 when they built the modern barracks and we moved in(wich are probably torn down now)I felt things changing.Theres a million questions id love to ask you about your tours and pics id like to share with you,to bad theres not a site on the internet were we can do that.If I had the knowledge I'd do it myself.Anyway like I said in my post to Dex,I got over the desire to go back because I realized it wasnt the place I missed,but the time.By my last tour I didnt want to go back,ever,your right,the people lost their identity,going so western I felt embarressed for them.I'm glad there strong and we made that possible,but I agree its time to come home and the guys that are there now who think they got it going on and dont want to give it up,I sayyou may be in korea,but your not in KOREA,even the party girls arnt korean,man I loved the culture outside the ville,but thats gone too.Traded off to be a western style nation.you can still be strong and beautiful without selling your soul.I guess they forgot that.as for now looking forward 8 days till my reunion with my buddy mike.would love to hear from you about your experiences and see pics and send you some if your interested I did some on the link on your post can I email you through that?take care and thanks for your service

  • Bruce
    11:56 pm on July 27th, 2009 104

    The email on those are mine, and I would be glad to add your pictures. If they are from other camps not listed, I can make a new sub page. The number of camps north of Seoul are shrinking fast, and I want to make a picture history of them to preserve the history and memories.

    Here are the Camps that I have so far. A few of those are sites set up by others, that I linked to.

    http://qsl.net/wd4ngb/korea%20pics.htm

    If anyone has pictures to add to these, you can send scanned pictures to the email listed on the pages. If you have several pictures of a camp not listed, I will add a page for it.

    I also have a Forum set up for guys to swap stories and pictures on.

    http://korea.forumakers.com/

    We can't go back in time, but we can keep our memories. If the Army knew how much fun I had on my tours to Korea, they would take my Retirement Pay back. :)

  • Jen
    11:57 pm on July 27th, 2009 105

    Hi everyone!

    My husband was just sent to Camp Casey. We thought it was Camp Carrol but since his rank is high, he will be heading a division over there.

    I was wondering if anyone can tell me if he will be in danger. I don't know anything about it, and don't want to worry about it…

    Also, he was asked if he would like to bring his family. We have 2 children, and I am also wondering if it would be an okay environment for them.

    Thanks everyone!

    Jen

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    12:23 am on July 28th, 2009 106

    Scott thanks for visiting the site. I would just like to let you know that there is a Forum feature here on the ROK Drop you can use to post pictures and discuss topics with people if you want to share your Korea experiences with other readers here:
    http://rokdrop.com/forums/

    Thanks again for visiting the site.

  • scott
    1:03 am on July 28th, 2009 107

    Bruce,found your site,man it is awesome!I loved the little tour in the car video!and the pics,fantastic

    I will share this site with guys whove served there.

    Youve realy done us a great service.now to figure how to send you pics,ive got some good ones too.look for roknrolla.thanks again Bruce.All you guys on here who want to take a walk through time or see what its like now realy need to check this site out.

  • guitard
    2:03 am on July 28th, 2009 108

    Scott – I was at Hovey in 82-83 (Alpha 1/38). The new barracks weren't being built just yet – everyone was still in q-huts.

    And the new barracks – they are still there. In fact, there are entire new sections of Camp Hovey that have barracks where there once was only trees and fields. It must be twice as big as it was back in the day. You wouldn't recognize Hovey today. I went back there around eight years ago for an exercise at Casey. I jumped on the bus one day and road over to Hovey just for the hell of it. After the bus made its way through the Hovey Cut between bases, I knew I had to be on Hovey – but I didn't recognize anything. I had nothing to use as a basis of reference for where I was because everything had changed so drastically. I finally saw the theater and the chapel next to it – it hadn't changed, so I finally had an idea of where I was. I now work in Seoul and drive up to Hovey around once a month just to drive around and get some fresh air. It's a whole different world compared to Seoul – fresh air, nice and quiet, no traffic, etc.

  • scott
    2:59 am on July 28th, 2009 109

    Hey,

    I was in bravo 1/38th 82-83!I moved into the 1st of the modern barracks wich was located on the corner across from I believe it was the ada outfit.so say your driving through hovey as I remember itturn right heading to the tokori gate,on the right is I believe university of texas,the chappell,theater and class 6 at the same time on the left of you is the ada I think 1/61st?,ok so now were at the corner,you go left to head to tokko-ri gate,before going left,look straight and that is were the new barracks were.We moved in in the spring or early summer of 83.I was ltc sutherlands driver,but still bunked with my plt when we moved and I know we were in there when my daughter was born,11 july 83 I here there closing the place down now,is it true?and have you been through the ville?Is the old starze club there?I was never one for tokko-ri,my tour in 82-83 (june 82 to july 83 as I took incountry leave)was the second of four tours I did there,would love to hear more about it,maybe some pics,in anycase that was the first of the new barracks to be built.I do have some shots of it and checked the date

    may 83

  • scott
    3:35 am on July 28th, 2009 110

    Guitard,dont know if my answer got through to you on the reply,hope it did but didnt see it post so ill do it here.The 1st of the "new"barracks opened on in may of 83,its in the corner of the pic Im looking at.I knew it was around then as I was just getting done doing a stint as LTC Sutherlands driver and my co.B co.1/38th moved in,not the whole co. though.Iknow I was in there when my daughter was born in july.I was there from june 82 to july 83 as I took leave in country.In my reply I told you one way to get there now well go the reverse,heading from tokko-ri gate down towards the theater,as we stroll to the right are the q huts and area occupied by 1/38th,on the left are verious bldgs including,bn aid station,sr nco quarters,barber shop,and the "steam and cream"not particularly in that order,now on the right it turns into I believe the 1/61st air defence artillary,in any event it was an ada unit.now weve come to were you must turn right,but directly in front is the theater and class 6 and to the left is were the barracks were built.so as if you were standing at a t,the barracks were left.class6 and theater straight ahead,if you took the right on your left would be the class 6,theater,church,university of texas building among others,on your right would be the ADA,then you would go left out the way that took you through the 1/23rd and 102mi ect out the back gate through the hovey cut past pnoc academy to casey.there thats how I remember it…..now that we got that out of the way,lets go run THE HORN,remember that?bury the hatchet,piss on the fire,remember that.would love to see new pics of hovey and casey and the ville,specialy if the old starze club is still there.tokko-ri I didnt like TDC rocked.this was the second of my 4 tours there

    take care man thanks for the input

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    7:29 am on July 28th, 2009 111

    Being stationed at Camp Casey is perfectly safe. Now living in Dongducheon with a family will have its challenges. The living conditions are not what you would find back in the US and if your kids are school age they will have to travel a long ways from Dongducheon to go to school. That is why a lot of command sponsored families live in Seoul or Uijongbu and their spouses travel there on the weekends to be with their families when they can.

    If you have any questions in particular ask away and either I and other people on this site can help you out.

  • guitard
    8:41 am on July 28th, 2009 112

    The B Co, 1/38th Commander from that era is now retired and working in Yongsan as a DoD civilian. I have his business card somewhere. I can't remember his last name though – first name is George. Him and my company command (CPT Corey) were best friends.

    A guy in my platoon bought a nice camera while he was there and when he PCSed, he left a pile of photos behind. I kept them. There are just random pics – mostly around Alpha Company – but some from down in Tokkori. I should scan them sometime.

  • scott
    11:37 am on July 28th, 2009 113

    so you live in the rok?what do you do there.yes you should scan those pics.what months were you there?

  • guitard
    1:42 pm on July 28th, 2009 114

    I was there Mar 82 – Mar 83.

    Following your trail outlined above – if you were coming from the Tokkori gate and went to the t- intersection you mention – you can now continue to go straight and there are several 3-4 story barracks. And when you get down to the intersection to turn left to go to the Hovey Cut gate – you can take a bridge over to the other side of the creek and there are several new buildings over there also. Like I said – you wouldn't recognize the place.

    I retired from active service and now work as a DoD civilian in Yongsan.

    You can email at rod.lapratt@gmail.com

  • m
    8:21 pm on August 12th, 2009 115

    Married my girl Cindy who used to work in Peace Club. Followed her to the Philippines and tied the knot over there. Cherish every moment with this amazing woman.

    Some of these girls are just terrible, but plenty who are good people. I guess everyone's got a different experience.

    I'd like to say that I won't miss this place, but who am I kidding…

  • Pete
    9:27 pm on August 12th, 2009 116

    Some good writing and thoughts. Thanks.

  • Jeff
    1:10 am on August 13th, 2009 117

    I was a medic at Stanley with C Co, 2nd Med BN, my first tour in 84-85…some of the best times in my life. Our hangout was primarily the High Cotton Club or C'Mona…I think I was on blackout drive most of the nights…

  • Jeff
    2:38 am on August 13th, 2009 118

    That's a pretty broad generalization to put out there, to say if a soldier married a Korean then she's a hooker…If you owned a bar then you were a pimp. How's that?

  • Jeff
    2:41 am on August 13th, 2009 119

    Alot of Man-aise was spilt outside the gates too! :shock:

  • Jeff
    2:53 am on August 13th, 2009 120

    OMG!! Romilars!! That's so damn funny! I had some trippy experiences with those too…remember Fringars? some sort of diet pill? Like speed…We must be around the same age…How about drinking Purple Jesus? Kettles with everything mixed in it…Jungle Juice..

    Awesome memories…again, some of the best times in my life..

  • Jeff
    3:14 am on August 13th, 2009 121

    Right on Scott, I may have been with you on the Starz roof…one of hte last times I got stoned…

    Ride safe…I share your memories..I have like 7 tours since 84..retired now (2007 from Korea)

  • SPC O-Dog
    1:30 pm on August 31st, 2009 122

    Man, awesome site you have here. I was stationed at Camp Edwards with the 82nd Engineer Company (CSE), attached to the 44th Eng Battalian at Camp Howze, 1997-1998.

    Not much to do there. Casey was about 1.5 hours bus ride away, Seoul/Yongsan was about the same.

    I do remember TDC only from my time at Camp Mobile. I swear I never knew where the hell I was in ROK, I always thought Casey was more north than east of me. I loved that they told us that the certain areas were off-limits, as if I'd lived there all my life and knew how to get there.

    Headed into TDC maybe once a month to see the ojima pimp sitting on her curb, lol. As a 19 year old naive kid, the first girl she took me to was about 300 pounds…and I accepted. I got a little wiser later on though.

    Went on a failed trip looking for hookers outside of Camp Edwards in Kumchon (there were rumors of hookers down there). I think my buddy and I found them one night as we went down an alley that had sliding glass doors opening onto living rooms or bedrooms. But the all waved us off, have no idea why. I also went on a personal quest for hookers in Yong-ti-rae right outside my camp. Big fail.

    They sold beer in the vending machine for something like fifty cents when I first got there, but they ended up taking them out at some point.

    It was rumored that the CID guys used to sell PX items on the blackmarket, and that they'd refuse to let the guys on guard duty check their vehicles before they left.

    In talking about TDC, someone mentioned a guy "Big Bob" being a bar owner. This doesn't happen to be an enormous (like 400 lbs) American civ with a son is it? We had a guy at Camp Edwards who worked the USO rec place. Guy was an asshole, hated making me hot dogs or burgers and used to respond to his little son's whining with more whining. I used to think, "Dude, if it's that much work to do what you're here for and make me a burger, just go back to damn CONUS".

    Lots of memories, good and bad. Hated it when I was there, love it in retrospect. Too bad it's all gone now :(

  • SPC O-Dog
    1:47 pm on August 31st, 2009 123

    BTW,

    NewSchoolArmy,

    Yes, stay away from the female soldiers. I saw a couple guys get in bad trouble with them over sexual harassment, fraternization, etc. You will not be treated fairly if you are ever simply accused of even the slightest transgression. Doesn't matter if you are guilty, you'll be in deep doo-doo regardless.

    D Cecil,

    Yeah I had something like happen that with a guy who was helping my buddy and I find a hotel room in Seoul. Started asking us how big certain bases were, if we were allowed to go out on the weekends, that kinda thing. Then he ended up taking us to a really shady hotel, like murdered-in-the-middle-of-the-night style. There were two odd guys at the front desk speaking fluent Hangul to the clerk (one guy was an albino). We figured they caught the black gonorrhea or something and could never go home, lol. It was an interesting night to say the least.

    BTW, I never saw or heard of Filipino or Russian hookers back in 97-98, though I wasn't in TDC often. The price back then was $40, though I paid $80 once for a better looking girl.

  • SPC O-Dog
    2:04 pm on August 31st, 2009 124

    Thanks Bearcat6, I'll have to check it out, it's this one:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1574883348?ie=UT

  • SPC O-Dog
    3:03 pm on August 31st, 2009 125

    The NKs have all of the installations marked for destruction anyways, it's all within arty range. There's nothing here that the NKs don't already know.

  • SPC O-Dog
    3:19 pm on August 31st, 2009 126

    That's a pretty broad statement MCCRAYZ, don't ya think? Can't people not like Korea because it stinks (literally) when you're stationed near the rice paddies, or because the cab drivers will jump you for your dough? Or maybe it's because you can get jumped by student demonstrators down in Seoul during the summer months? There's plenty of reasons to not like Korea which have nothing to do with your accusation of 'racism'.

    Having family with you during your 'hardship tour' might skew your judgment a bit.

  • SPC O-Dog
    3:36 pm on August 31st, 2009 127

    Hi Jen, all you have to worry about is if the North Koreans decide to obliterate all the camps north of Seoul one day. If not, you'll be good to go! ;)

  • Leon LaPorte
    7:31 pm on August 31st, 2009 128

    Also, any PA or Doc will tell you that you are more likely to catch a STD from a female soldier than the girls downtown. Sad, but true. :mrgreen:

  • E-7 Archer Retired-
    12:08 pm on September 1st, 2009 129

    Hey guys-

    I see your posts about the STD's and women in the military. You know…women can get STD's from men, as well. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. You seem to discriminate against female soldiers because of this. It may just be a good idea to just stay away from us, anyway, as we don't need your (soldiers) unsolicited sexual advances. And you wonder why some soldiers get into trouble over stuff like this. Sounds like you're only hearing one side of the story- a man's side – the one who's guilty and pissed about it. Should've left her alone. I have never received an STD, but I have encountered countless men who just couldn't, or wouldn't keep their sexual comments to themselves. I had no problem telling them what they can do with their "member" or counseling statements.

  • SPC O-Dog
    12:38 pm on September 1st, 2009 130

    I've never had an STD, and I've never involved myself with female soldiers. I'm only speaking based on what I saw and experienced while serving. Nearly all of the female soldiers I saw in Korea got by on their APFTs and everything else with a wink and a smile, then burned guys they didn't like with sexual harassment accusations or, in the case of one female soldier, rape charges (which were later thrown out, even though the guy still got transferred outta the unit…).

    Now, if you are known as an upstanding soldier (and I've met a few), then accusing people of these things warrant a lot of attention. But being the base whore, or holding a 'breathe at your own pace' medical profile (yes I've seen it with my own eyes), or being at the club every weekend surrounded by ten male soldiers, sorry but these loose accusations don't hold much water. Unfortunately, the Army is so paranoid about it that they go way overboard whenever a male soldier is accused of anything.

    The breathe-at-your-own-pace soldier (who also smoked a pack a day)? She was in my squad. I got on her once during PT (prior to her profile) because she was cheating on her flutter kicks and everything else. The end result? My squad leader speaking to me in private and letting me know to avoid her since she used my name and 'harassment' in the same sentence.

    And for the record, I was the top rated lower enlisted soldier in my platoon. But I saw far too many power-drunk female soldiers walking around my camp like they owned it…and they kinda did. Ditto for Ft Irwin and Ft Leonard Wood.

    In the case of E7, if a male soldier is indeed sexually harassing you, then you have every right to do what's necessary and kudos for doing so. But if you're also at the club hanging with an entire squad of men every weekend and getting free drinks all night, you shouldn't expect people to believe you when you accuse male soldiers of bad behavior.

  • LORDOFE2
    8:38 pm on September 1st, 2009 131

    "I’ve never involved myself with female soldiers"

    There are always a few barrack "catchers". Myself, I say live and let live. If a dude wants to give his buddy a "brojob" its up to them. It's all good.

    E-7 Archer Retired- FEMALE

    I would like to introduce you to the el Chickenhead….

    El Chickenhead… let her have it

  • Leon LaPorte
    9:19 pm on September 1st, 2009 132

    Yes. I figured I'd let El Cabezo de Pollo handle that one. :lol:

    Can't wait…

  • ChickenHead
    10:42 pm on September 1st, 2009 133

    Gosh… I didn't really have anything clever to say. Nothing stood out as particularly unreasonable from a certain point of view.

    I guess I can make a few comments.

    1. Not EVERY girl in the military gets drunk every night and lets the whole platoon run train… and a girl who isn't doing this will be rightfully offended to be thrown into the same category.

    Of course when a well-known skank starts crying raape, a very objective look at the situation needs to be taken before arbitrarily ruining a human being's life.

    This is rarely being done and it causes a lot of resentment… resulting in a backlash.

    2. Women can get STDs from men and men can get them from women… but it seems when they track this stuff down, infected women generally have more sexual partners than infected men… and that makes sense because it is kinda hard for most military guys to get some regardless of what he says, does or spends…

    …whereas the itchy skank-ho just has to show up.

    Use this knowledge as a guide for your score keeping.

    3. "It may just be a good idea to just stay away from us, anyway, as we don’t need your (soldiers) unsolicited sexual advances."

    Well… hmmm. It probably is a good idea to stay away from them for a variety of reasons… be they political pitfalls or the reality that most military women, like most bargirls, only SEEM shithot in certain places and in certain situations… and they are narrow places and situations.

    ChickenHeadProTip: Keep that marriage dick in your pants until you are a civilian again… thank me later.

    I'm not sure about the unsolicited sexual advance part. Without some sort of water-testing advance, masturbation is generally the inevitable outcome.

    When you ladies start being a pain in the ass by bugging guys for sex, the unsolicited advances will stop. Until then, suck it up and accept that men think differently than women… and you have all the power by saying no thanks.

    That being said, I guess it's a matter of smoothness.

    "The green glow of the NVGs really highlights your eyes."

    …and…

    "I got me a wiener in cream sauce swingin' MRE fer ya right here 'tween mah legs and if it ain't big enough, I'll give ya two servin's… c'mon an' spread yer heater flaps there, little missy! Ya can eat it all ya want after ya warmed it up a bit."

    …aren't the same thing.

    4. "I have never received an STD, but I have encountered countless men who just couldn’t, or wouldn’t keep their sexual comments to themselves.

    Well. Good for you. Here is the deal. It isn't real classy to go around making sexual comments to the local ladies.

    On the other hand, the military ain't exactly a classy organization. It is a group of men busting their ass in a manly environment and generally not getting any… especially with overpriced prostitution protection rackets enforced by fake crackdowns.

    Killin' and fuckin' kinda go together in a guy's mind… being the reasons we kill can all be traced back to a desire to reproduce.

    I'd be distrustful of guys in their 20s (and 30s) who weren't thinking of sex much of the time in such an environment… and who didn't let that slip out when given the chance…

    …especially when, like it or not, a lot of girls encourage that attention… as many of the thicker and uglier ones never got anything like that from the square-jawed studmuffins back home.

    Mostly, it's harmless as guys can be pretty intuitive on who the can talk smack to and who they can't… well… until the girl who giggled, and uttered sexy comments back for months, has a PMS moment and decides to make a stink. Then the poor sap looks like the bad guy and is truly mystified as to why.

    5. "I had no problem telling them what they can do with their “member” or counseling statements."

    I don't know about counseling statements but the best response is indifference… and it will go away. Talking back encourages it… as it is also about mental stimulation, socialization and female attention as much as it is about sex. Complaints through official channels should be a very last resort as it perpetuates the b.i.t.c.h. stereotype and does nothing to harmonize the relationship between men and women.

    I guess that's all that came to mind about that.

  • LORDOFE2
    11:13 pm on September 1st, 2009 134

    Chickenhead is ROKDROP's double barrel shotgun.

    CHICKEN-to the-HEAD-to the-SMACKDOWN-to the-LOL

    LORD OF THE E2 HAS SPOKEN

  • E-7 Archer Retired-
    6:42 am on September 2nd, 2009 135

    Very Good responses. Tells me you have a good head on your SHOULDERS. Too bad many other men and women cannot see past the "Hey, how long have you been here?" scenario. Anyway- good posts.

  • WEST
    4:46 pm on September 13th, 2009 136

    Brother, you were there the same time I was (Oct 91-Oct92). A Btry, 1-15 FA. Knew all those clubs and many more! Did the walk of shame from Toko Ri back to Casey many times (Darn Bus Schedules!) I hung in Toko Ri more than TDC, though. The Grand Illusion, Ace Club, New Rose and many more. Those were the days. Went to Bragg after that and ETS'd. Should have stayed in ROK.

  • gwv
    8:45 pm on September 13th, 2009 137

    AH…the walk of shame, remember well. The Ace Club was my second home (96-97) lets see if I remember, So-young, Yuni, Mina and Mehee…

  • Doug Farnsworth
    3:39 am on September 21st, 2009 138

    Hey Bobby i was stationed there also from Sept 94 to Sept 95, also A. Co 702nd. Name sounds familiar.

  • PFC Wade
    8:25 am on October 7th, 2009 139

    :smile: Well i was in korea in 1997 and i was stationed in camp nimble 702nd bravo company.

    Well i got pregnant and never told anyone so the biologicle father doesn't know anything about it.

    Well my son is turning 12 tomm. on 10/08 and i wish i would have kept intouch with him we had a good relationship but we agreed to go our sep. ways after he got orders to leave. I respect that so i never looked for him and now i can't remember his full name i think it was scott. I need to find you. Emily Wade

  • JohnB
    2:44 pm on October 12th, 2009 140

    I was stationed with the 102nd from 83 to 84. Good times as well.

  • Contractor
    3:16 am on October 23rd, 2009 141

    Totally different subject……….

    I'm headed to Casey in the next few months for work and will stay in a hotel off base……is it cool for me to run around the city early mornings (like 0430)?

    Thanks.

  • rich gould
    12:11 am on October 27th, 2009 142

    casey1979 left reassigned

  • rich gould
    12:14 am on October 27th, 2009 143

    peair la poopshoot and frenchie were stationed with me anyone know them and why we called them that?

  • nathan morgan
    12:52 pm on October 27th, 2009 144

    WAS STATIONED AT CAMP HOVEY 86-87 102ND MI BN.Tore my leg up bad when I first got there- fell into a turtle ditch(imagine that!) Still have dreams of being back there. My feet still hurt from those 12 mile roadmarches. soju usually helped to forget the pain! Had a blast in toko-ri hangin in the clubs and eating yakeemondoo!

  • PFC Wade
    10:19 am on October 30th, 2009 145

    Yes, it's ok to run around any time of the day just as long as you have some one with you.

  • PFC Wade
    10:22 am on October 30th, 2009 146

    I love soju and yakimandoo!

  • Neil
    5:32 am on November 5th, 2009 147

    First tour was 78-79 at Yongsan. Peace of cake. Second tour was 102nd MI at Hovey in 85-86. Lived in one of the old huts before they finally moved me into the new 2 story bldg. Remembered that they put us on alert when the space shuttle blew up during launch.

    Miles of running damaged my foot and still bothers me to this day.

    One of my Pink Floyd albums had a short part that when cranked up sounded just like the air raid horn/siren. Used to turn up my stereo just to watch all the KATUSAS start running for the arms room. Most of the guys figured we would hear the artillery hitting first if it was a real war. I think we had an hour to respond to the siren so most of us took our time to report in.

    Looks like Hovey has gotten bigger. Took me a few minutes to figure out where the 102nd was located. Showed my wife where I was when I got the news that our son had been born.

  • Skipper
    2:11 pm on November 11th, 2009 148

    I was at the Academy 1969-1970. I still have a few of the Academy class books.

  • Rob
    3:01 am on November 14th, 2009 149

    Matt, I was there as one of those Damned MPs at the gate, Hell I propbale let you in lol… great memories. Just to let you know the 2nd MP Co were the only ones that had a 2ID warrior pass that required us to be back on Camp Casey by midnight.

  • CS
    6:09 am on January 17th, 2010 150

    In Korea 88-89 and 92-93. Regarding the Turtle Farm, both times, it was located on Camp Casey, up the road from the PX complex.

    Looking at Google Earth, the entrance to it was one of these locations:

    37°55'19.44"N 127° 3'53.13"E

    37°55'21.15"N 127° 3'57.53"E

    37°55'22.05"N 127° 3'59.42"E

    37°55'24.80"N 127° 4'4.86"E

    A previous comment mentioned it being where the swimming pool is, but that's really too close to the PX complex. It was a much farther walk.

    Although the entrances themselves have probably changed, I'd bet that the 2nd one in my list above is probably the closest. I could be wrong. :)

    Anyway, as also previously mentioned, during these times, we were turtles because it took a year to get from the in-processing building to the out-processing building, which were, of course, right next to each other.

    I went on to Camp Laguardia during the first tour, and Camp Stanley the second, but I did get to visit TDC once in a while, and enjoyed the club that, at that time, would put a stripper on stage. If memory serves, you had to go upstairs to get to it.

    Memories… :)

  • Leon LaPorte
    9:26 am on January 17th, 2010 151

    If you are civilian there in no requirement to have someone with you and you can go out any time of day. To be clear: there are no restrictions.

  • Daddy
    5:49 am on February 26th, 2010 152

    102MIBn here as well – '83-84, Charlie Co, C & E Maint. Can't believe I stumbled across this website and all the soldiers memories, maybe somebody I knew. I was known as Daddy ever since the 1stSG called me out during morning formation with a letter addressed to me as Daddy from my stateside pregnant wife at the time.

    I recall climbing Mnt Soyuson (sp) with Fent, Deocca, Smith and another good guy I don't recall his name.

    Lots of fun "downrange" in the "ville" as well.

    The drunken bonefire from the wood reminants of our barracks from the torn down quonset huts.

    Burger King just opened on Casey with watered down ketchup and green tomatoes, LOL,

    and don't forget our tactical toga parties where we torched our only picnic table!

    And don't forget our platoon's song: (sung similar to the melody of "My Country tis of Thee")

    My country shafted me,

    Sent me to 2nd D,

    And here I rot.

    Land where no body cares,

    Girls have no pubic hairs,

    F**k anyone who dares,

    I hate this place.

    Theres more to it, I've forgotten most of it, but decribes some of what it was like back then. WOW!

    Fun times in Inchon as well, I even have 20mm movie film I took to this day (now on DVD) of Inchon, Camp Hovey, radar sites, TDC, 2nd market etc.

    Too many fun times to list, glad I stumbled onto it, hopefully one of my buddies from that time will send a shout out!

    Take care…

    "Raise Up"

  • guitard
    10:53 am on February 26th, 2010 153

    Any chance I could get a copy of that DVD? I was there during that time – sounds like it would really bring back some memories. Of course, I'd be willing to cover the costs.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    11:45 pm on February 26th, 2010 154

    You should put your video of the old 20mm footage up on YouTube to share with everyone.

  • johna lou snyder
    1:25 am on April 15th, 2010 155

    i too hung out at the lone star 1993-1994 loved that place…i miss the flag ceremony and all the Camaraderie there…

  • johna lou snyder
    1:36 am on April 15th, 2010 156

    i was in bravo co. 702nd oct 93 – oct 94. many many great times was had there….down range almost every night, corn dogs and slaw dogs on way home (walking…no POV's and spent all money we took THAT NIGHT on beer and food so NO TAXI, HAHAH) gREAT COOKOUTS …

    I DONT REMEMBER YOUR NAME AS ALPHA AND BRAVO DIDNT REALLY HANG OUT MUCH but i did know AT LEAST one of the guys in your building… i believe his name was GARZA??

    LOVE WALKING DOWN MEMORY LANE

  • johna lou snyder
    1:45 am on April 15th, 2010 157

    I WAS THERE 10/93-10/94 and yes many fun times at Jackie B's and i did not know there was a flood OMG dodo creek flooded? oh my bet that was something…

  • Thomas Lee
    2:35 am on April 15th, 2010 158

    We were always told that new arrivals are called "Turtles" because the In-Processing Building and Out-Processing Building were only a few feet apart (they were quonset huts when I was there in the mid/late 80's), but it took you a year to get from one to the other…

  • Janet Barrow
    11:43 pm on April 24th, 2010 159

    My late husband Donald Barrow was stationed at Camp Casey on the Hawk missle site from 1967 to 1968. He was in communications. I would like to know if anyone remembers him. Thank you for any information you might have.

    Sincerely,

    Janet Barrow

  • fay
    8:18 am on May 31st, 2010 160

    Man! what memories,i was @ casey march 93-march94.B co 5/20 inf.Its a damn shame hookers aint legal anymore WTF! did the walk of shame many nights.Used to load up on corndogs when the bars closed! there was always a line!never forget the year i spent in that shithole. Used to hang out at the together club alot,new korea,las vegas, others but i forget the names.Caught an ART15 when i was there cuz i was laid up with a hooker with no pass and they called an alert!

  • richard charron e1
    6:01 am on June 4th, 2010 161

    gerald i was 16 when i landed at inchon my mos was 111.00 bar man in ssquade co c 1 st btln 32 inf div apo 7 im trying to find the year book for my companycan anyone help me. cant find anyone who served with me.remember cherry hill my first stop my first night 5 yen thats a deal.please contact me thank you unyakecasio.ichard

  • Mark
    10:00 am on June 7th, 2010 162

    I was stationed at Camp Casey 1982-83 with A Co., 2nd Avn Battalion. The most insane year of my life. Help me remember some of the other clubs besides Oasis, New York, New House, Caesars Palace. That's all I can remember. Anyone else got anymore? Good and fun memories,just can't remember all of the clubs in TDC.

  • guitard
    11:47 am on June 7th, 2010 163

    Mark ~ did you ever hit the Boston or Starz clubs? I think there was one called New Seoul also.

  • scott
    1:06 pm on June 7th, 2010 164

    hey mark,I was in 1/38th inf 82-83 2nd tour.There was the starze,dark side of the moon,head(eagles),together,the johnny bar,new korea,rondesvous,savoy,royal,crown,beach house,black rose,bravo underground,oasis,newyork,there was another one cross the msr the officers hung out at and several small ones and kettle houses.

  • Jerry Carlson
    12:54 am on June 23rd, 2010 165

    I was in Korea, 57-58, 51st Sig Bt, H&H Company. I think the company was located about 3 mi n of the road leading to the Red Cloud main gate. Lived in quonset huts, pot belly oil stoves, 3 to a quonset.

  • Floyd
    11:10 am on August 17th, 2010 166

    Wow, reading these comments sure brings back memories.I was in Casey with 1/72 armor in 1979-1980. A great place for a 18 year old. (So I thought then ) There was no "drinky" girls then, all were Korean . TDC village was great , but sounds like it has changed for the worse. I only had one overnight pass and woke up the next morning with a Buddast priest or someone trying to marry me to the lady I was with!

    We spent about 7-8 months out of 12 in the field on tanks, and was one of the coldest places I have ever been too. But we had a blast there also…The mama-san would know where we were heading before we got there. She would bring the kimche,women and bottles of Oscar so we wouldn't be lonely,,,and with the blessing of the company commander.

    I remember that TDC had around 49-53 clubs on the "strip" with the Dark side of the moon as one of my favorites. I can hardly remember any of the other names.

    And yup, we lived in quonset huts, fried in the summer and froze in the winter what time we were there.

    Glad Camp Casey is still around and God bless all you soldiers!

  • scott
    12:55 pm on August 17th, 2010 167

    Hey floyd, I was in 2/72nd armor same time as you

  • Floyd
    10:16 am on August 23rd, 2010 168

    Hey Scott,,,sure sounds like things have changed,other than the cold weather!

  • scott
    1:25 pm on August 23rd, 2010 169

    Hey Floyd,sure has,I lived in the starze club,dark side of the moon, eagles/head club.Did many other tours there,but that was the best.

  • Paul Casto
    6:59 am on August 25th, 2010 170

    Camp Casey 12/67 to 1/69. HQ Co. 13th Engr. Bn. Spent about equal time in garrison and in field building bunkers and roads north of Casey. Lived in a tent all summer 68. and Quanset hut in winter. Hot and cold. I was married and had a child so I didn't spend much time in TDC. I was what we called a straight arrow. Not much dope there in my time. But it started a short time later when it was so prolific in the states and all over the Army. Made a lot of good friends there. Wish I could have kept up with them over years but sadly I didn't. For awhile after I came back to the states I actually missed Casey because it was me home for a year. Spent 18 months at Ft Lewis before being discharged in Sept. 70. I have a lot of funny, and not so funny stories of my time in Korea.

  • ED C
    1:32 am on September 1st, 2010 171

    I was a FISTV driver in D 1/5 INF in Camp Hovey 1993-1994. I remember the Turtle Farm being really relaxed, I assume to allow us to acclimate to the cold as well as the time shift. Of course, I'd find out during my tour that the Mickey Mouse garrison BS one could expect in CONUS was virtually nonexistent in Korea. Good thing I was relaxed because two days after getting to my unit we were out to Santa Barbara for two weeks of snow, ice, and my first MRE dump – I strangled that tree like I was trying to silence a witness!

    Like everyone else here, I got a million stories. Most can't be told in family company but it was a trip. And I can't believe only one guy here has mentioned the midget!

  • Bruce
    2:09 am on September 1st, 2010 172

    My 1st tour to Korea was a long time ago, in 1960-61. We went over on a troop ship that took 22 days. We landed at Inchon, then were sent to the main Replacement Center near Seoul. We spent 2 or 3 days there, then went by train to Casey. The 7th Inf Division Replacement was behind where the MP Station is still at today. After getting settled in there, it was evening time, and we had the last formation of the day. The Sergeant told us wake up would be at some thing like 05:00, and we could go to the Theater, Service Club, PX, Snack Bar, but what ever we do, do not go up on that hill, pointing to it. He said there were some females that hung out there at night. Me and my buddy headed straight to the PX to pick up some protection, and as soon as the sun went down, headed to the hill. ""Hey GI. opening over here", as they pointed to the hole in the fence. After we got up there and we socialized some, my buddy asked me if the girl I was with had stinky perfume on also? That was our 1st contact with the smell of Kimichi. What memories. :)

    There was no SOFA back then, and TDC was the real Wild West. You could go to the Vill with $10 in your pocket, get blitzed, laided, and have money left over. I remember one time, I got a overnight for a bottle of Jergens Hand Lotion that was less than $2 in the PX.

  • Disrespect
    12:33 pm on September 6th, 2010 173

    I hope all those that got laid here, got tested.

  • Vince
    1:59 pm on September 6th, 2010 174

    Tested for what?

  • Dave W
    5:54 pm on October 2nd, 2010 175

    What a great forum. I was stationed at camp casey with the 1/15th FA from feb 1993 to feb 1994. What great memories. If there is anyone who served with me during this time please email me at dwrenn37@hotmail.com

    Gotta love "Down Range"!!! :twisted:

  • Jerry
    11:20 pm on November 17th, 2010 176

    I was stationed at Camp Nimble (77-78) across the river from Camp Casey. I was with C Co 44th Engineer Bn until we moved to Camp Mercer down by Kimpo airport.

    I worked many a day at the rock quarry between Casey and Hovey. We also helped build the tank maintenance facility on Casey.

    Back during my tour we were part of the 8th Army and used to love laughing at the 2ID when they had roll outs when going on alert. Explored many parts of TDC from the ville to the market. They used to have a sign by the gate with the off limit clubs in the ville. Don't recall which one it was, but it was nailed into place in the number one spot while I was there.

  • Purcwell Lash
    3:50 pm on November 21st, 2010 177

    I was in Tong Du Chong back in 78 to 79. I loved it there. I havd a good friend name Nam Seung Woo form Seoul. I kept my promise. I never forgot him. I had a lot of other friends there also. Yeah we always knew that when we saw a soldier with a Korean wife we knew that she came from the clubs. Hey they deserve a chance at a good life like any other woman. I may go back to Korea and see if I can get me a Korean wife that know business and can cook and start a Asian cookery.

  • Purcell Lash
    3:52 pm on November 21st, 2010 178

    This is how you spell my name. Dang. Forgot to mention, is the S&T Battalion still there? Right by the Helapad? That's were I was stationed.

  • crimsonghost
    10:31 pm on November 26th, 2010 179

    That little village mentioned brings back some memories. The gate to it is across from the chow hall and the gym, at the time behind the chem company(4th Chem I think?). I was an E2 driving my LT on a recon through there when the road got very narrow. We were in a HMMV and I stopped and told my LT I didn't think we would fit between the houses, but he told me to keep going. Of course we got wedged stuck, doing quite a bit of damage to the houses. I spent an hour lying in the grass, smoking, and watching two enraged adashi's go ballistic on the LT. Good times. That same LT later broke a leg on TWO separate occasions trying to climb down the stairs at the Starz club.

    I really enjoyed the pics of the old PX. When I was there I'm pretty sure that was the laundromat/book store/barber shop/shoppette/mini-mall. The Class Six was in a little shack right behind it.

    Anyways, great site!

  • Jerry Ecklund
    7:57 am on December 28th, 2010 180

    I was with the C company of the 76th Engineering battalion in 69 and 70. Most of the time attached to the 2IF and stationed at a small camp near the dmz. The last few months of my tour was served at a base near Kimpo. Can anyone help me with the name of the 76th camp? It was near Casey.

  • Daniel
    8:13 am on December 28th, 2010 181

    It wasn't Camp Edwards was it? Western Corridor, rail line runs right past the front gate, located about 10 minutes from Kumchon and Camp Howze? It was asmall camp with an engineering company and attending medical unit, though I'm not sure that it existed back in 69-70 (I was there 97-98).

    If this isn't correct, I hope you find the one that is!

  • Jerry
    8:24 am on December 28th, 2010 182

    across the river from Camp Casey was Camp Nimble which was home to several different Engineer units. I was with C Co 44th Engr until early 1978 when we moved to Camp Mercer which was a couple of miles down the road from Kimpo Airport.

  • Neil
    1:23 pm on January 16th, 2011 183

    I was stationed at casey with Aco 2nd Aviation Battalion Aug 78 to Aug 79. At the Together club I was super tight with a korean girl named Kim Sun Ok. She went by the name Jeannie. Anybody know what became of her?

  • Leon LaPorte
    1:39 pm on January 16th, 2011 184

    I think she owns it and reuns it with her son…

  • Neil
    8:57 am on January 18th, 2011 185

    Her son? How interesting. The reason I care is she was actually a good personal friend. Had a good head on her shouldrs. As a young man, drunk, in a foriegn country, she got me out of more than one scrape. I never appreciated it. People can say what they want about those girls but some of them had some smarts. Yeah! I can believe she is running it. I'm thinking of visiting in the summer. I owe some amends. Thanks for the quick response. Neil

  • Neil
    9:00 am on January 18th, 2011 186

    email me at devryet@verizon.net

  • Leon LaPorte
    9:52 am on January 18th, 2011 187

    I don't know if it's her or not, but her son looks like you. :razz:

    Drop another line if you come over.

  • Tank Gunner
    5:36 am on March 2nd, 2011 188

    Stationed at Hovey 1988-89. Back then the Turtle Farm was on Cp. Casey. The in-processing desk and the out-processing desk were right next to each other, but it took at least one year to get from the 'in' desk to the 'out' desk; hence, newbies were called turtles becuse it took along time to get from one desk to the other. Best tour of duty ever. I really would have preferred going to Korea as my first duty station – everything else would have just been easier after serving with 2nd ID. Bravo First Rock!

  • Scottytherich
    2:29 am on March 14th, 2011 189

    Loved reading the comments here. I was at the 102nd M I battalion 1982/83 and moved to the field station at camp humpheys(83-85). Really enjoyed my time there and Im trying to write a book about my experiences. The title is "Turtle Trap" which I know you all can relate to. Thanks everyone who mentioned club names as I was having a hard time remembering some of them. My favorite club in TDC was the Together Club because of Mrs Kim the owner made us feel like part of her family. She made us a huge Thanksgiving dinner in 1982 before the bar opened and when two of my friends got married she held the reception party for us. Anyone with an interesting story from those days and thinks it might enhance my book can email me scottytherich@hotmail.com. Thanks

  • JT
    8:52 pm on March 31st, 2011 190

    Brings back the memories. The Turtle Farm was located on Casey when I was there in 82-83. They found out I could type so ended up in HHC,1-72nd. Lived in the last row of quonsets in Dragon Valley. Had to walk downhill to the crapper all the time so we all relieved ourselves behind the quonset. Really po'd the 1sg, he was always trying to catch us. Quonset we live in had just been remodeled but the forgot to put in heat, so the gave us all space heaters and if you plugged in more than 4 of them blew the circuit breaker. The ville was, as I look back on it, one of the greatest experiences I think I've ever had. Going out the gate and seeing the signs with the off limit places and the sign with the 10 worst places to catch the clap. LMAO. BJA was always at the top of the list. New York, Rendyvous, Starz and more that I doen't even remember anymore. One little place, you could go get a really good meal and for 8 dollars a liquid shot of codeine and some other illegal painkiller, that made the night highly enjoyable. The women in the bars with numbers on their uniforms so you just pointed and said, I'll take number 7 for a short time. Having to be back on post by midnight unless you had a overnight pass. Field ajima's, slickie boys, chinese tunnel, loud music coming out of the clubs, the smells of the honey wagons, black market, the food, drink, women. Damn what a wonderful year it was. Grape oscar, ob and crown beer, ginsengju witht the root in the bottle, soju. Sounds like it has really changed, but the memories live forever.

  • bob walby
    8:16 am on April 5th, 2011 191

    i was there in 70 71 i was in E co 707th then E co702nd mtn bn we worked on all the helicopters and we shared a compound just north of casey. i would like to talk to anyone that was in my co. i have alot of good, and bad memories.i along with most of the guys there smoked alot of pot and did alot of other drugs. but i rember most about working on the flight line when it was 30-50 below the roks had hermon nelson heaters that they blew on us while we worked on the chopers.i would like to know if there was any way to find out who made the year books and if i could still get one. i lost mine in a divorce.

  • Daniel
    8:20 am on April 5th, 2011 192

    Wow Bob, that's pretty cold to take your ROK station yearbook in the divorce.

    Good luck, hope you can find someone that has another!

  • Neil
    2:44 pm on May 4th, 2011 193

    Anybody over there ever go the Together Club? I need someone who currently goes there to check something for me.

  • bob walby
    4:03 pm on May 26th, 2011 194

    well she got everything except all the bills////LOL

  • Leon LaPorte
    4:39 pm on May 26th, 2011 195

    Look, the same people are no longer at the Together Club. That was almost 30 years ago. It’s ran by a guy and his mom with about 10 Filipinas.

  • Michael Staggs
    1:54 pm on June 2nd, 2011 196

    In 1983/4 I was with the S-2 of the 1st Bde, 2d ID, on Casey.
    It was a very busy year. In addition to the normal events – Team Spirit, rotating tours on the DMZ, etc. – Pres. Reagan visited during Xmas; KAL 007 was shot down by the Russians (with several of our people and our peoples family members on board); the N. Koreans set off a bomb in Burma, almost killing the Pres. of the ROK (both these events brought the ROK to the brink of war); and we started to exchange our old M-48A5 tanks for M-1 Abrams.
    Another event comes to mind. During some excavation around the PX area some Korean Contractors dug up an arms cache of WWII era weapons – Japanese, Russian, Chinese and even US, small arms, grenades and explosives. We (the US GI’s) sure wanted to get our hands on these old weapons but the ROK military took them.
    This year was the toughest and most rewarding of my 25 year career.
    I was stationed in Korea again in 1987/88, this time in an MI unit in Seoul. I visited Casey and nothing much had changed. But from what I’ve read on the net I wouldn’t recognize TDC today.

  • Michael Staggs
    2:02 pm on June 2nd, 2011 197

    Other clubs in TDC: Bonanza (flush tolets!), Silver Slipper, the Starlight (I fell “in love” with a girl named Pinkey (Shin Hey Kung) there, also put a guy from the 122 Signal in the hospital there. Memories come flooding back.

  • Gary J.
    11:30 pm on June 13th, 2011 198

    You asked for a funny story about things that happened at Camp Casey and it reminded me of one I saw. A Korean girl came to gate one and wanted to use the phone to call her boy friend and some guy in plain clothes told the MP’s that they couldn’t let her use it because it was only for military use. Well a guy from our company the 702nd didn’t feel it should be that way and that she should be able to make the call. Well he got into a argument with the new plain clothes guy and ended up punching him in the face over it. Come to find out the guy was our new general for the 2nd division who was taking the Gun fighters slot. I heard him say he wanted this guy out of the country and now. He was shipped back to the states and I heard the only thing that saved him was the General was not in uniform and he didn’t know he was a general. I don’t think the girl ever did get to make the call. Gary J. Korea 74 to 75

  • Gary J.
    12:22 pm on June 14th, 2011 199

    You asked for a funny story about things that happened at Camp Casey and it reminded me of one I saw. A Korean girl came to gate one and wanted to use the phone to call her boy friend and some guy in plain clothes told the MP’s that they couldn’t let her use it because it was only for military use. Well a guy from our company the 702nd didn’t feel it should be that way and that she should be able to make the call. Well he got into a argument with the new plain clothes guy and ended up punching him in the face over it. Come to find out the guy was our new general for the 2nd division who was taking the Gun fighters slot. I heard him say he wanted this guy out of the country and now. He was shipped back to the states and I heard the only thing that saved him was the General was not in uniform and he didn’t know he was a general. I don’t think the girl ever did get to make the call. Gary J.

  • Leon LaPorte
    4:35 pm on June 14th, 2011 200

    199 It’s like deja vu all over again! :razz:

  • cecil
    5:03 pm on June 14th, 2011 201

    got lost in a place called turkey farm, while riding my bike. i had just came off the DMZ,I realize I had made mistake when isaw all those women suround me asking for a date, the kNP showed up; they were mad as hell. they remember me from a TKD macth with there best,whom Ihad defeated earlier that month,I sad damn here we go, iwas trying so hard to explain, when this full bird U<S officer shows up tell me to get in the jeep,damn iwas glad,i explain to him what had happen, he said your lucky we heard it on the radio,

  • John Rowell
    7:44 pm on June 17th, 2011 202

    Was station at Camp Casey from 1990 to 1992, worked at Replacement Det. (Turtle Farm). One of the Cook’s opened the Peace Club, spent many nights there drinking.

  • ora colson
    11:05 am on June 20th, 2011 203

    I was at camp mobile 69-71 7th s&t Bn.Lots of memories ,some good some bad.Was a wide awakening first time to the vil,all the girls and such.I worked in what was called the Bath section.We supplyed hot/sometimes cold showers to units in the field.Section was a quansit hut behind the motor pool.Wondering if anyone remembers the Bath section 7th S&T Bn. So short! How many days???

  • robert redman
    7:04 pm on July 14th, 2011 204

    I was station at Camp Hovey 66-67. Pretty spartan living conditions back then. Don’t see too many other from that era.

  • Bruce Richards
    1:36 pm on July 16th, 2011 205

    I was first there in 1960-61 in the 17th Transportation Bn that was located in Happy Valley, now called Dragon Valley. We had Quonset Hut then, and the floors were plywood. While there, the units removed the plywood floors and cemented them. Big improvement since the rats could not chew threw the cement. We had a central latrine/shower that made for chilley walks back to the Qounset in the Winter.We did not have SOFA back then, so the action in the Vill was a little wild. To be able to relive it again. :)

    Still remember my Yobo from then, Shim Myoung Suk. The houch was just over the tracks on the right, past the entrance to the airfield. One of the young guys that lived there is now a club owner named Johnny.

  • robert redman
    4:50 pm on July 16th, 2011 206

    Bruce and others,

    I got there in the spring of 1966. I can’t remember exactly when but during 1966 SOFA went into law. I remember we had to got to classes and then were given SOFA cards. That last time there was in the 70s and we got SOFA cards before we deployed. Camp Hovey and Tokori were sparten places back in the day. We lived in the pale green Quonset huts that had concrete floors and the company latrine in the center of the area. I started to write a story about Camp Hovey, but never finished.

  • Bob Schneider
    4:30 pm on July 22nd, 2011 207

    I was stationed at Camp Casey in 1966. I worked on the rifle range out the back gate and was with HHC, 7th Inf. Div, Train Fire (S-3 if I remember correctly). I worked on Firing point number 7. 8 was the highest one at 179 cement steps up. I was a young dumb 19 year old Sp/4. Used to go to the Crown Club. Seems to me it was not far from the main gate. (come out the main gate, go to the 2nd street (mud) and take a left and it was on the left. I used to “frequent” mama san :mrgreen: She had two gold crowns in front and was quite a bit older then me. Maybe 30 or more. She was good. Many years later, when I married my “high school sweetheart” and everything went to hell, I wished I’d have taken mamasan home with me! That was one heck of a fun year. In Nov 67 I got to make the trip to Vietnam. NOT NEARLY as much fun. I was a tanker by MOS. I had a friend there his name was John A Davis (10 zillion of them in the US). Sure wish I could find him.
    Bob

  • Dragonfly
    5:02 pm on July 22nd, 2011 208

    Bob, I qualified twice on that range. We were told it was the most difficult range in the Army. It was definitely the worst one I was ever on. I was the Commo Chief in B-Btry 1/31 Arty, 7th Div. in 68-70. We were just down the hill from 7th Med. I can remember more than a few nights at the Crown Club. Also the Oasis, Rendezvous, Lucky, New York.

  • Bob Schneider
    8:52 pm on July 22nd, 2011 209

    yep, now that you mention the names of the clubs, I remember the Oasis, Lucky, and Rendevous. Can’t seem to recall the New York. Maybe my group didn’t go there. During the winter we wore them hats with ear flaps and a TF on the front of the bill (for Train Fire). Of course, us being young studs back then we always said the TF was for Tough F***ers. That was a life time experience. I was such a dummy that I didn’t realize I was on R&R for a whole 13 months. Should have extended cuz Nam really sucked.
    Bob

  • ChickenHead
    12:14 am on July 23rd, 2011 210

    Say, you aren’t the same Bob Schneider that used to drive for Molly Hatchet, are you?

  • Bob Schneider
    5:27 pm on July 23rd, 2011 211

    QUOTE Say, you aren’t the same Bob Schneider that used to drive for Molly Hatchet, are you? END QUOTE

    No, I never drove anything in So. Korea. Tanks and APC’s in vietnam.
    Bob

  • Chris Hiler
    6:23 pm on July 23rd, 2011 212

    Michael Staggs

    About your post #196, I was at Camp Pelham in 1983 and was on duty monitoring the guard station Reagan visited. I also remember that bombing in Burma and the resulting state of alert. During that year..the bombing in Burma was the one point at which I thought we might just see “the balloon go up.” I supposed we may have crossed paths since I in and out processed through Casey.

  • Michael Staggs
    5:58 am on July 24th, 2011 213

    Chris Hiller,
    When the Burma bombing occurred I was the Sr NCO of a field TOC. One of the 2ID’s Tank Bns and some Cav Tanks were going through Gunnery Qualifications.
    An encrypted message came through putting us on war footing (stop all training, take on live ammo and deploy for war) and, since there were no officers present at the time, I was, in effect, commanding a re-enforced Armored Bn Task Force going into combat.
    This situation lasted for a very short time, of course, and the Bdg S-3, Maj Cassidy, came back to the TOC and took over but it was an eye-opening experience.
    I had just come off a tour as a recruiter (in-voluntary) and was astounded at the change in the Army.
    The Army I had known (even though I was in a Special Ops Unit when I went into recruiting) was still suffering from the effects of Viet Nam. Moral and readiness sucked.
    This was the first time I had served in a “line” Combat Unit and my first assignment in a new MOS. I was quickly exposed to a positive, can do attitude at all rank levels and was proud of the soldiers I served with.
    The year I spent in the 2ID was the hardest and most rewarding tour of my career (which included multipal tours with Sp. Ops, 6 overseas tours, and Viet Nam). It was as if for a year many of the best Officers, NCO’s and men in the Army came together and performed above all normal expectations.

  • mitch
    7:12 pm on July 25th, 2011 214

    In early 1971 I was part of Task Force Devil out of the 82nd Airborne Division that made a mass tactical jump in South Korea. First time C-141 Star Lifters were used for that purpose in Korea. We made personnel and heavy equipment drops. We were deployed to help with the withdrawal of the 7th ID as it began deploying back to the states. Does anyone remember the jump?

  • mitch
    4:16 pm on August 5th, 2011 215

    Today was a trip back in time for me. I was in the back of my storage facility when I came across my old OD footlocker. Of course it was locked so I had to cut the lock off. I don’t think the footlocker had been opened in decades, it had that smell.

    Anyway inside were many things dating back to my days in Korea (66 – 67). Five 32nd Infantry crests. Two still affixed to my green leadership loops. Two for my dress uniform and a single one for the baseball cap. Also, two color 7th ID patches. There was an old white background black ink name tag and a couple OD with artsy black embroidered for name and US Army. Lastly was my black 3-32 IN scrap book that we could buy. In the book was my original set of orders for my EIB dated 1966 and the article in the newsletter stating the number of EIBs awarded for the entire division.

    There were other things such as infantry blue ascot, lighter, wristwatch, an old EIB that was made in Korea. Belt buckle and brass. Also, was my name plate that we had made in the ville for the wall locker. I’m still looking for my old 3-32 IN yearbook, photos and orders.

    I’d forgotten that all that stuff, but was curious what happened to the stuff since I found ROK Drop.

  • Joe R
    12:00 pm on October 19th, 2011 216

    Wow what a blast from the past this place is, I was at Camp Hovey 74-76. I remember running the vile both TDC & Tokori. Going out the front gate at casey over the tracks at in to the vile. I would like to go back and check it out. I can’t believe the pictures how much it changed. I(t doesn’t seem like thirty six (36)years has gone by. Drinking Crown OB Isenbeck moklee oscar & gin roe a lot of pot and little blue pills called optillagons aka Beans some real high time and lots of sex. We didn’t have to worry about sexual harassment complaints. All the round eyes were no farther north than Camp Humphrey which went down to twice a year on the Southern security mission.Then they just flaunt their round eye asses at us because they had any dick they wanted.
    Joe-R

  • Frank B
    9:00 pm on November 10th, 2011 217

    I was stationed at Camp Castle, TDC from ’82-’83 and then again in ’85. I really, really had a ball. I can’t explain what it was, but it must have been a combination of things. I do remember everyone in the units being very tight.
    I loved going to the Ville. I tell people now that it reminded me of an old western movie without the guns. I’ve been on many thunder runs, trying to hit as many bars as possible, but I usually ended up at the Starz Club. I remember J.C.the bouncer, the D.J. was very cool and played anything I wanted to hear. I would buy him beers and got special treatment. I also loved the girl that was the owner and tended bar. She was very sweet.
    I did get tired of the novelty of the scantilly clad prostitutes hanging all over me very quickly. I guess that’s why I liked the Starz club.
    I actually went back to Korea last year for 3 weeks; my first time back in about 25 years. It REALLY has changed. I hope to go back again next year; beautiful country!

  • Michael Staggs
    7:17 am on November 11th, 2011 218

    Frank B.,
    We overlapped – I got to Casey in July of 83 and went back in 87. I spent time in the Starz, Do you remember Pinkey? What unit were you with?

  • JFisher
    1:27 pm on November 11th, 2011 219

    Frank B.: I went back to Korea this past May/Jun. I agree with your comments regarding the changes from the “ol”days. However I was a bit bummed out because the gritty, wild west flavor
    has been erased for the most part. What say you?

  • Michael Staggs
    3:20 pm on November 11th, 2011 220

    From what I’ve heared I agree with you. There is a subway from Seoul to TDC! And they are using the UCMJ on guys buying sex. I’m glad I don’t have to serve in an Army where you can’t get a hooker. But then I guess the guys in Iraq and Afganistan can’t even get a drink.

  • jeffreytg
    3:41 pm on November 11th, 2011 221

    MP with 2nd MP co stationed most of he time at Pelham in 85-86. We were a detached platoon and did not have a Lt moat of the time. Our Platoon SGT used to wear a baseball cap with “X county sheriff” embossed on it. Can’t recall the county name. What a blast, the post only had MPs, cannon cockers, cooks, and misc Medial MOS. I’ll never forget the signage near the main gate that had a list of the clubs with a count of VD cases from the past month.
    There was a remote post on the main road leading to the JSA that we used to man. It was a good post, a single US MP with a single Katusa MP along side some Roks. The duty was generaly booring, manning gates, and walking in the ville at night dealing with an aoocaional assult and many pass violations.

  • JFisher
    4:11 pm on November 11th, 2011 222

    #220: The train station/trains from TDC to Seoul are very modern and sleek. Can not say it is better than what we have in the USA but it would not surprise me. Inchon Airport is!

  • Michael F. Cotton
    6:51 am on November 16th, 2011 223

    was there a accident involving a M1A1 Abrams TANK and a civilian vehicle Between January and December 1997

  • Ron Bump
    12:06 pm on December 13th, 2011 224

    I was deployed to Camp Casey in 58 and 59. The change is hard to believe. Back then there was barely any pavement much less fast food. The only fast food was “get your sorry ass through the food line and get out”. Only entertainment was a quick trip to the NCO club on Sunday morning for a 10 cent bloody mary with steak.

  • Michael Staggs
    7:14 pm on January 6th, 2012 225

    Ron Bumb-In 1883-84 our Bdg re-enlistment NCO had served with the USMC and had been in TDC during the Korean War! He saw some change.

  • Ole Tanker
    7:36 pm on January 6th, 2012 226

    #223, I remember hearing about an incident in that time frame, it was a M1A1 of 2/72 AR that broke down on the way to MPRC it was either being towed or on the side of the road when a Korean car hit it.

    More notorious was a little girl in Little Chicago who got run over by a tank about 1996.

    I am not talking about the 2002 incident at Twin Bridges either.

  • DJ
    9:29 pm on January 9th, 2012 227

    #207, Bob, I was in Korea in 69 just after the Pueblo was taken by the North. I was infantry 1/31 7th Div. I was in Camp Casey very little, spent some time digging bunkers some place I don’t know where but not very far away. Met mamason in a nearby ville and i wish I could go back in time. I know it wouldn’t have worked out to bring her back but I would like to try. Went to Imjin DMZ Scout Academy, she waited at the front gate every day for 4 weeks until I got back. I know she was looking after her investment but I would like to think more of her than that.

    Wouldn’t it be great to do-over?

  • SSG Rodriguez C.C
    11:35 pm on January 14th, 2012 228

    I was at Liberty bell from 75-76 B Co.1st Bn 31st Inf,I had just arrived in a duce and a half from the turtle farm at Casey,I remember well the patrols,fire base Collier and Ollet..I remember my 1st night ambush patrol on the Z it was scary for me as I was a kid still trying to find himself after having been through so much,I was put on point and that night I opened fire on the Z when a miniture deer ran across my front,I remember Sgt Martinez and the rest of the patrol hitting the deck and eating dirt and then crawling up to me for a sitrep after it seemed like hours,but was really only a min or 2..we all got our azzes chewed by S-2 after the debrife on what happen that night,I almost caused an international inncident on the Z that night,I also remember many a daylight sweeps,finding relics of a time passed,Hand grenades and ammo of a war forgotten by many,except those who served there (chewed the same dirt)or where there after,I remember cutting down a little sapling (wanna be) christmas tree and taking it back to the hooch and all the guys helping me adorn it into a christmas tree,we used soda cans,playing cards,4 duce sight extensions,inflated (unused) condoms (Doc inflated them for us)and a centerfold from playboy as an angel(I still have the pics),we then placed bottles of OB beer,oscar wine and other unmentionables under it..(we would remove them when the LT or PLT Sgt came through.)I remember alerts and quick reaction force QRF,I remember Thunderbolt,I remember the 8 hour,overnight and 3 day passes into the villages (Munsan,Younjugal,unchani,tonduchon,tokori and more),I remember the New seoul club built like a cave in younjugal,the mula rouge,the pony club in tonduchon and many more,I remember carrying an ID card saying I was an MP because combat troops were prohibited north of libby bridge or the imjim river(uncle sam is a clever denier when it suits him),I remember the day when capt Bonifas,Lt Barret and his crew got hit,we were on Collier that day 18 aug 76,I left 2 months later back to the world..many dont know that the LT got whacked by North Koreans after the fight, after they(NK)discovered him incapacitated behind the wall in the bush and they took turns bludging him with axe handles..I remember many things,Libby bridge crossings on the imjim,guard check points,endless patrols and sweeps,stinking rice paddies fertilized with human waste,long rang humps on endless high grounds,slickey boys stealing you blind,mamason knowing where you were headed before you did and being there when you arrived,field whores,odeshi,ogima,yojas,I remember snow so high that the cold was unbearable at times (The Hawk was out) ..Korea Americas best kept secrect..I returned in 78-79 to camp Hovey A co 1st 38th Infantry by that time they were rotating troops on the DMZ and I got to play if you wish to call it that at Warrior base,reliving all the pass over again,with the exception of being able to return to the rear after your stint was over..same shit,different day.so much to remember so many to remember a loss of innocence for many,YES I REMEMBER!!!!..of all my service I will remember those tours of duty the most..we were and will always be Soldiers,Brothers forever bonded by our experiences irregardless of the clock,we chewed the same dirt as those before us and those after us..I salute all my brothers,from the Heart…and to Robert on his comment..we were all stupid kids..OJs,mockoli,Happysmoke and more,an era (The 70s)of suffering and trying to forget passed on by brothers who America bastardized from a war she denied and only now acknowledges..lest we forget Vietnam. Love you all bro..I remember Park Chun Hee,I remember The Monsoon rains and the ditch monsters and floods,I remember tailor made suites for $20 dollars,shoes for $1o,I remember beautiful paintings of anything you wanted for $15 dollars..I remember the short times for $5 dollars,overnight for $10 and the turkey farm for $2 bucks all you want..I remember the propaganda leaflets falling from the sky on the Z and me picking them up..I remember the pics I took with my kodac 110 instamatic which I kept in my canvas 20 round clip ammo pouch..I have many pictures thanks to it..I remember heating our so called barracks with a diesel can attached to a 55 gallon drum turned into a heater and I remember the fire guard falling alsleep on freezing winter nights..I remember the enlisted club at camp Liberty bell on the little knoll hill…I remember uncle sam busing the whores up to camp for those men who could not get a pass..I remember the katusas and the ROKs..Thier white horse div famous in Nam..I remember our M113s and how grateful we were to have them,I remember pulling CQ runner and taking off the next day,I remember riot control training and using axe handles as weapons ourselves,I remember gen Omar Bradley and Gen Emerson the gunfighter as Div commanders of the 2nd Inf div,I remember false passes made in the village,I remember false many things made in the villiage,I remember mamasan cooking on the street and military Tec manuels being used as bags to serve you hot shrimp,potatoes and more..I remember steel pots as helmets and web gear and flack vest as our standard gear of wear,I remember injim scout awards,I remember being grabbed by the girls who worked the clubs and streets in the ville,I remember..I SO REMEMBER!!!!!!!!

  • W Hickman
    11:28 am on January 22nd, 2012 229

    I was stationed in Camp Hovey for two tours back to back in ’74 ’75 with B Co. 1/38 I was recently contacted by a member of my company and it has awakened a lot of memories, some good some not so good. My father almost lost his leg in the war when he was my age at the time (18 yrs old) I remember our commanding general (Emmerson) telling us our job was to kill all those “Godless Communist Bastards” when they start to come over the “Z” Every time the goddamn alert siren went off we were sure this is it. It’s amazing that we are still there

  • JFisher
    1:08 pm on January 22nd, 2012 230

    W Hickman#229. What were the bad memories? I was with the 2nd
    S&T Bn 73-74′. My bad memories were of the serious racial divide. The Army mandated films be shown to point out how badly black Americans got treated throughout history in the USA. I thought that was a good idea. That turned out in my opinion not be the case. Seems as though the black guys that were already pissed off and militant got much more pissed off. I am from Vermont. No one that I grew up with had any racial biases. We never saw any black people. We had no ill preconceived prejudices of black people. The black guys I associated with during that tour all of a sudden were “dapping” and shunned me. When I brought up the fact that there were never any slaves in Vermont and that in fact Vermonters died in the Civil War and could not be more ardent supporters of Lincoln, it did not matter. As an SSG, I had to augment the MP’s on “Courtesy Patrol” when I came up on the duty roster each week. There were far to MP’s to deal with the chaos. Fights and mayhem often. Insubordination on a daily basis. I heard that after I left General Emerson put in strong policies that got things calmed down. I still managed to have some fun on that tour but of the tours I had there over the years, that one caused me the most grief. ASCOM stockade must have filled up with soldiers that could have otherwise have made something of their lives in an
    environment such as the Armed Forces that was with few exceptions totally equal in opportunity for everyone regardless of race. In my opinion. Damn shame.

  • Michael Staggs
    2:53 pm on January 22nd, 2012 231

    W.Hickman, all you experienced I did as well. In Germany in the mid to late ‘60’s – into the ‘70’s – it seemed the Officers and NCO’s were afraid of the black soldiers. Just a suggestion of racial discrimination (whether or not it was proven) would destroy a career. Like you I had no exposure to blacks until I was drafted (I am from S. CA – if we discriminated against anyone it was Mexicans – not blacks). When you described your time as an MP supplement in TDC, I remembered doing the same in Germany after the MLK assignation.

    The situation was somewhat repeated when the Army enlisted so many women in the ‘70’s and early ‘80‘s – sexual harassment, proven or not, destroyed careers.

    I went into Spec. Ops in the ‘70’s and there these problems were not so evident. I then was an involuntary recruiter and was away from the Army until 1983 when I went to Camp Casey. By this time the atmosphere you described was gone, I was amazed at the change in attitude of the soldiers. In my opinion the 2 ID in 1983-84 was most professional and my tour there was one of the best I had in my 25 yr career.

  • JFisher
    6:54 pm on January 22nd, 2012 232

    STAGGS, cmt#231. Your comments were meant for me I take it and
    not for Hickman. We have a commonality. I was a Recruiter (voluntary)in CT for 5 years, 73-78′ then went over to the
    other side of the MOS (Reenlistment). Stayed in that until I
    retired in 88′. Was in Korea 81-84′, 227th Maint Re-up guy in
    Yongsan during the same time you were in Korea. Were you in
    Reenlistment? I retired from Korea in 88′. Had 24 yrs of service. You had one up on me. I loved the Army. Especially
    the 7 years I was stationed in Korea. I agree with everything
    you said in your comments. Thanks for your input.

  • Michael Staggs
    7:27 pm on January 22nd, 2012 233

    JFisher, you’re right – I’m getting old and didn’t read the comment as well as I should. I recruited in FL (Tallahassee and Orlando) from ‘79-’83 and hated every minute of it. Something about begging worthless kids to do something I loved didn’t sit well with me. I was a re-enlistment NCO (additional duty – not MOS) prior to becoming a DA select field recruiter, I think that is how I got selected.
    In 83-84 I was in the 2 ID and didn’t get to Seoul but once or twice. In 1987 I went back to Korea and this time I was 1SGT of an MI Co on Camp Coiner (Yongsan). I did like my time in Korea and came to respect the Koreans greatly and I did love the Army – but some one once told me “You may love the Army but it will never love you”.
    I retired in 91 from Ft. Bliss (the Sergeants Major Academy) – which is where I started my career in 1966.

  • JFisher
    6:42 am on January 23rd, 2012 234

    MICHAEL#233: I was the School Bge. Re-Up guy at Bliss 80-81′. Recruiting for me was great. I enjoyed being a soldier and talking about it as a vocation was right up my ally. Special duty pay, a GSA car, and although it
    was verboten, girls had a thing for a guy in uniform that some
    of us took advantage of. As long as I was making my numbers, no one bothered me. Go and come as I pleased and had no troop
    responsibilities. It is certainly not for everyone. Being a
    salesman takes a certain type of personality, an extrovert, and have to really love and believe in the product you are selling. I did. It became a drag when I had to be a Station Commander, responsible for my quota and the others as well.
    I had (and still do) have a serious case of “yellow fever” for Korea. My wife is Korean so when a chance to flip to Re-up
    with an assignment to Korea, I jumped on it. Did that for the last 10 years of my career, 6 of those in Korea. We still go back to visit often. I enjoyed communicating with you. Thanks
    for your response.

  • Michael Staggs
    5:55 pm on January 23rd, 2012 235

    JFisher, I know what you’re talking about when you mention women around the station! Much temptation and, in that area, I’m weak. I could tell you stories about a Miss Tallahassee runner up (an Air Force DEP) and FSU wet T-shirt contests!

    I saw many guys thrive in recruiting, but not me. I made numbers – but I was not happy. To begin with, I suffer from Social Anxiety Disorder (although this was not known of at that time); dealing with the “public” was torture for me. I wanted to be in BDU’s with troops, not in Class A/B’s behind a desk.

    I am a “lay” historian, I knew what the Japanese did to Korea in the early 1900’s and and through WWII; and the devastation left after the Korean War. This is a main reason I respect the Korean people – for what they have built from those ruins. Plus they had not forgotten what we (the US) had done to aid them. Although I was in Japan in 1970-71 and saw that they (the Japanese) had become “westernized” to the point they were losing their traditional work ethic and I fear the same may happen to S. Korea.

    I loved a Korean girl during my first tour and should have married her. I’ve often wondered how my life would have been different. Instead I married another soldier which did not turn out well.

    I did 6 overseas tours – two each in Korea and Germany, one in Japan and Viet Nam; as well as an extended deployment to Germany in 1972, so like you I spent a lot of time gone.

    Ditto about communicating with you. I live in rural E. TX, where are you living now?

  • JFisher
    6:07 pm on January 23rd, 2012 236

    MICHAEL#235 I live in Northern VA. Feel free to contact me
    at my email address. jfisher1946@gmail.com

  • JFisher
    6:17 pm on January 23rd, 2012 237

    JOHN#202 I went on vacation to Korea this past May/Jun. Most
    buildings that were there when you were are gone. However the
    “Turtle Farm” is still there as it was. It has been abandoned
    for quite a while but intact. Rusting etc, but still there
    even the overhang structure. I took pictures of it.

  • JFisher
    11:55 am on January 24th, 2012 238

    MICHAEL#235: Shoot an e-mail to me. Would like to hear your
    war stories of Recruiting that you mentioned. Got some of my own.

  • Clive Woods
    1:31 pm on January 29th, 2012 239

    I was at Camp Hovey from July 83 to June 84. Charlie 1/38, 2nd I.D. 11b10/11c Humped many yama’s with a 60 or a baseplate/bi-pod! If anyone can relate to that drop me a line at galaxywatcher@msn.com Do you know what a turtle ditch is? Turtle farm? TDC or TOK?? LOL. You could spit on the ground in November and it would still be there(frozen) in March,lol. Some of the guys I was there with that I can remember are: Sgt Hanlin, Ssgt.Forrester,Sgt.Childress, Sgt.Larry Miller, PFC Scott Wahl, PFC Gay, PFC Miguel Flores, Sp.4 Williams. My C.O. was Capt.George Muser. That’s all I can really remember. I am(was) PFC Clive Woods NIGHTFIGHTERS!

  • Daniel S. Hughes
    11:11 am on February 24th, 2012 240

    :cool: I was at Camp Hovey from 1974 – 1976 HQ 1st BN 38th Inf ,LTC kite was the BNCO . My next tour was right down the road with the 1st BN 9th Inf . And my 3rd & 4th tours where at Camp Edwards West C.Co 1SG Walker and , his night court . And also with 902nd FSB I had a little :twisted: in me .

  • Daniel S. Hughes
    11:16 am on February 24th, 2012 241

    OK when I say I had a little :twisted: in me, maybe an under statement ! What can I say I was training myself for whatever came along .

  • Daniel S. Hughes
    11:17 am on February 24th, 2012 242

    :mrgreen:

  • DJ
    1:37 pm on February 24th, 2012 243

    I was stationed at Camp Casey in 1969, 7th Infantry 1/31st, I know not many of us from that era left but I would love to chat with you because I cant remember a lot of where I was at when we were in a tent city north of Camp Casey. We were not in the DMZ but pretty close. I am suffering from a couple medical problems so I am trying to tie some places down.

    DJ

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    7:02 am on February 25th, 2012 244

    For those following this thread that haven’t seen this already, the below link takes you to a complete list of my “Profile” series of postings of different USFK related areas in Korea:

    http://rokdrop.com/2011/08/15/archive-of-rok-drops-a-profile-series/

  • kevin Maher
    12:55 pm on March 13th, 2012 245

    I was in Korea (Camp Hovey) 78 through 79. Does anyone remember a waitress named “Linda”? She worked in a small bar and I cannot remember the name of it. Very pretty girl, want to know if anyone knows of her and what happened to her.

  • DJ
    7:48 pm on March 13th, 2012 246

    Linda:Ha! I bet her name was Linda. Kevin, I understand your curiosity because I was in the 7th Div Inf amp Casey in 69. I met a woman named Kim Ok-Soon, I left rather abruptly as my Father was killed in an accident at his work and I never returned to Korea. Kim was 5 years older than I so she would be 67 years old. Now, I seriously don’t know how good a 67 year old Koran woman would look like but I still would like to see her again. Not with my wife still alive though, that would nor serve a purpose. I did read an interesting thing just recently, camp Casey has lodging in motel form that is intended for military personnel but will rent room to civilians when available. I don’t remember ever meeting Linda, I wish I did.

  • Bones
    9:04 pm on March 13th, 2012 247

    Kevin,

    Was she half Korean and African-American? If so, she is in TDC. She is in her 50′s now.

  • JFisher
    5:02 am on March 14th, 2012 248

    DJ@246: I do not think anyone could do a space avail.
    deal at the lodging place on Casey. Can’t get on the
    compound without a military ID or know someone that does
    to serve as an escort.

  • guitard
    6:59 am on March 14th, 2012 249

    Back in the day, off-post lodging was pretty crappy. But nowadays, there are plenty of nice, affordable places – starting with bottom-end motels and going up to two or three star hotels. There might even be something nicer these days. I’m sure someone local in TDC can tell us.

    Bottom line – don’t think that if you can’t get into on-base lodging – you’re not going to have a decent place to stay.

  • JFisher
    8:15 am on March 14th, 2012 250

    #249: You are 100% correct. I was there this past summer. Big transformation of TDC.

  • DJ
    6:41 pm on March 14th, 2012 251

    I am sure that you are correct on the quality of the off-site housing. When i was there it was nothing but shanties. I referenced the on-post lodging because of a paragraph on there website bit again I agree with what you said about civilians being restricted. The paragraph said “FMWR provides quality accomodations and hospitality services for our guests visiting installations throughout Korea. Military personnel, Department of Defense civilians, and authorized contractors on official duty receive priority room guarantees. Rates are available on a “Space Available” basis for leisure travelers. Most rooms are equipped with modern amenities such as kitchenette, microwave, flatware, pans, toaster iron, ironing board, hair dryer, and coffee maker. Daily housekeeping services are provided.” The leisure travelers was what I thought maybe they would open up for travelers just for the profit of it. I am going to email them and ask. Here is the link to that paragraph.
    http://www.mwrkorea.com/services/lodging.php

  • JFisher
    5:35 am on March 15th, 2012 252

    DJ: Thanks for the lodging URL. Going to be of help to me next
    year when I visit Korea again.

  • DJ
    8:26 am on March 15th, 2012 253

    Lodging,I emailed the Camp Casey Lodging, I will post their reply.

    Toss Up Question:If I was to look for Kim Ok-Soon or whom ever that I met many years ago, how do you go about that. I don’t think they have a phone book cause they don’t have phones nor does shantee-town have address system. They have some kind of census but that wouldn’t help. Do you find a poppa-son and ask him?

  • JFisher
    10:53 am on March 15th, 2012 254

    DJ: I do not think you stand any chance of locating her. Their
    is a family register if you know what province she was from.
    Even if she got married her name would not have changed on the
    register. Going back that far a poppa-san is most likely to have
    assumed room temperature. My wife is out shopping, I will get
    her opinion on that and let you know if she has any ideas in that regard.

  • guitard
    1:58 pm on March 15th, 2012 255

    Kim Ok-sun is a very common name – there literally are thousands of women in Korea who have that name. You also have to ask – is that her true name? A lot of girls who lived in camp towns back in the day adopted nicknames.

    Realistically – I think your only chance would be to go back to the neighborhood where she lived with someone who can speak Korean – and find some old ajumah who lived there back when Kim Ok-sun lived there -

  • guitard
    2:02 pm on March 15th, 2012 256

    and you have to hope that the ajumah is still in touch with Kim Ok-sun.

    The tricky part about this is that it’s been over 40 years. That old neighborhood has been rebuilt a couple of times since then. But chances are – there is still an old ajumah who knew her who still lives there. A photo would help out a lot.

  • DJ
    5:22 pm on March 15th, 2012 257

    I appreciate the help, I have not decided to go but I was trying to decide if there was a chance in Hell. I left a lot of things unsaid when I left on emergency leave and didn’t return.

  • Grunt1988
    5:28 pm on March 15th, 2012 258

    Hello everyone,

    I’m going to Korea next month and will be stationed at Camp Casey. Some friends of mine who were there recently told me about a pub they used to frequent called the “Imjin Pub”. I was looking for info about the place on this discussion but have not seen anything. Does anyone know where this bar is, or anything about the place. My friends just told me that it was a small bar with decent music and none of the “juicy girls” I keep hearing about. That’s the kind of place I would prefer to hang out when i get there.
    Any info would be appreciated.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    6:58 pm on March 15th, 2012 259

    @258 – You came to right place for info. You can check out the Imjim Pub on Facebook at the below link:

    https://www.facebook.com/Imjinpub

  • Michael Staggs
    7:22 pm on March 15th, 2012 260

    GRUNT1988, It has been 25 years since I was last in Korea and almost 30 since I was at Camp Casey, nothing I could tell you (about Camp Casey) would be of any value.
    I do, however, have some advice to give. I spent over 25 years in the Army – a big part of it overseas, I envy you. I wish I could do most of it again. My greatest regret is that I don’t remember a lot of details of my time.
    KEEP A JOURNEL!
    I know how that sounds but in the years to come you will appreciate it.

  • Gary Judy
    12:47 pm on March 17th, 2012 261

    I served at Camp Casey in 75 in the 702nd Mt. BN.and had some of the best days of my life there. Being 17 years old it was quite a experience. If any old friends remember me I would love to hear from you. You can contact me at lynn02_98@yahoo.com I went back to Korea in 2000 on a vacation and I can tell you you would not recognize it.

  • JFisher
    3:18 pm on March 17th, 2012 262

    GRUNT1988@258: I agree with Mike Staggs but the chances anyone
    would keep a journal is very unlikely. Get a thin digital camera that fits in your pocket with an SD chip for lots of photos. Do not take a picture with the thought of getting a good photo to hang on the wall. Shoot everything and anything. You are in for a unique experience that will have a lasting impression on you will not come to fruition later on in life. The moment the plane takes off to return you stateside you will likely have tears rolling down your cheeks w/snot running out of your nose. As each year passes as Mike says, the memories become more precious. You will deeply regret not have taken lots of pictures and cursing your self and saying to yourself “I should have listened to JFisher”way
    back when” Mark my words. Feel free to query me on any aspect
    of Korea, the women, customs, culture. I will be happy to give
    you my opinion any time. You impress me with your positive
    attitude and enthusiasm towards your assignment to Korea.
    jfisher1946@gmail.com

  • Gary Judy
    3:44 pm on March 17th, 2012 263

    Good idea Jfisher. I don’t think his experience will be quite as dramatic as it was when I was there because it is much more Americanized now. Back in 74 75 76 it was like you landed on a different planet. It will still be a exeperience of a life time though. Enjoy it and get out and see as much of the country as you can while you are there in the military because it is much cheaper than going back later in life on your own dime.

  • mitch
    5:57 pm on March 17th, 2012 264

    I read the postings with interest hoping to find fellow 3-32 person from my days at Camp Casey and Hovey back in the mid 1960s. Yes, the memories are precious, espcially when one get to be my age (70). I’ve told my friends that I would enjoy going back to visit Korea. I’ve never had any desire to visit Vietnam or any other places I was assigned during my career. I often wonder what happened to the guys I served with in Korea back in the day. I know where two are and we stay in contact. Korea when I was there was a rather spartan existence, and the villes weren’t any better. I’ve seen photos of the new Korea. What a difference. The two times after the first 13 month tour didn’t give me much time to visit. My team was in and out.

  • JFisher
    7:03 pm on March 17th, 2012 265

    GARY JUDY@264: I totally agree with your comments. I was in
    Korea for 7 yrs. off and on from 64′to 88′ and go back on
    vacation every other year. You brought up an important item
    that should be a priority but unfortunately is overlooked by
    soldiers on duty in Korea. Getting out and touring around the
    country. USO makes it so easy to do. Sad that guys spend a year there and come back to the USA with the impression Korea is a place of just “sliding doors and slant eyed whores”. Doesn’t say much for the level of intelligence of some of our soldiers. Not too many sliding doors in Korea these days—Westernization as you pointed out.

  • mitch
    8:05 pm on March 17th, 2012 266

    JFisher, damn that brings back memories. I haven’t heard the term slding doors in a while. Back in my day it was sliding doors, heated floors and the slant eyed whores. Never did care for the saying as well as others of the day. In a way I wish I could have done another tour or two in Korea. During my career some guys did two three or four tours. Some extended for months. Other guys never did a tour in Korea. Same with some guys homesteading in Germany while others never saw Germany. I never made it ot Germany. Maybe it had to do with MOS. I know that during the Vietnam War the 17 yo went to Korea or Gemany. They couldn’t go to Vietnam, too young. Hope everyone is having a good St Patricks Day.

  • Gary Judy
    9:30 am on March 18th, 2012 267

    I just want to thank everybody for helping me to revive some of my memories of Korea. 702 Mt.Bn 1975 I have a few pic’s from those days and I look back and see a young crazy 17 year old kid in them having the time of his life. Some advise for those serving now. Make sure you write down the full name of any friends you make and a contact address and number because you will wish you did later in life. You think you will remember things but you won’t.

  • DJ
    10:08 am on March 18th, 2012 268

    Gary Judy #267 I don’t know about you but I was in Korea in 69 and I was 19, I set here and try to remember where I was and how I got there, I don’t have a clue. I agreed with the one post that said to take lots of pictures, but then we had to have them developed didn’t we. The age of digital pix wasn’t in yet. I don’t remember where my girl friend lived among so many other now important memories. It must be age, at least my wife tells me how forgetful I am. I wish I could remember more, it slowly comes back but discussion or pictures help a lot.
    DJ

  • Emmett Dempsey
    3:33 am on May 24th, 2012 269

    Korea was my first duty station as a brand new 2LT. I was stationed on Camp Nimble from Dec 97 to Dec 98. The floods happened the summer of 98. I know….I was there and had to swim out of my bedroom and watch Conexs’ being twisted under bridges. It was quite a sight. We moved my 5000 gallon fuel tankers to Camp Castle North, and it seems they never left there. I had a blast there. Down range was fun, but the crowds and vibes changed so fast with folks PCSing from their 1 year tour. A “cool” place could turn not so cool real fast. Ah Camp Nimble….gotta love Jackie B’s. Nice to have a bar and slot machines like 10 feet from where you sleep. Good stuff!

  • Patrick
    6:36 pm on June 9th, 2012 270

    :smile:

    Second AVB 1971 on the airfield, meet Suki, we were both at the age of 17. Back then no extensions. Went back space A for a few weeks in 72 Some like I were to young for VN or on liberty from the same. UH-1 Crew Chief – I have lots of pics. NY club Crown club etc.

  • Gary Judy
    11:47 am on June 10th, 2012 271

    I would love to see some of those pic’s Patrick

  • JFisher
    5:09 pm on June 10th, 2012 272

    I second GARY JUDY’s sentiments in #271. How about it PATRICK?
    I bet a lot of ROKDropers would like to see your pictures.
    Please consider posting them. Thanks

  • Patrick
    5:55 pm on June 10th, 2012 273

    Gary

    I just looked at them last night, most are color slides + some black and white prints. None are scanned yet. How does one post a picture on ROK drop?

    Patrick

  • Alan Purdie MSG, Ret.
    1:53 am on June 22nd, 2012 274

    Hi. The Tutle Farm was not at Camp Nimbles for “decades” but on Camp Casey from 1952 until some time after I left on my 3rd tour in 1994 (stationed on Camp Casey). There were two main buildings next to each other – one with a sign that said In-Processing and one with a sign that said Out-Processing. So the joke was that it took 1 year to go from the In-Processing building to the Out-Processing building.

    Also when I was in 1-503rd Inf, the helicopters would land on the Golf course to pick us up and return us from the training exercises.

  • guitard
    3:41 am on June 22nd, 2012 275

    Patrick: I recommend you set up a Flickr.com account. I think you can post 200 pics there for free. Just post all your pics there – and then post the link to your account page here. We will then be able to go there and check out your pics.

  • JFisher
    5:16 am on June 22nd, 2012 276

    ALAN# 274: The old turtle farm is still on Casey—but
    vacated. It is one of few places that has been erased
    and replaced with modern structures. Quonset huts etc.
    are rusting and showing their age from being abandoned
    for so long. The wooden overhangs we stood under are
    still standing, grass over grown of course. seeing it
    on my visit to Korea last summer brought back a
    flood of great memories. Had four tours there, the 1st
    in 70′. If you are able to go back to Korea one more
    time you should do it. You will be blown away by the
    transformation.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    5:18 am on June 22nd, 2012 277

    @273 – Guitard is right, the best thing to do is upload the pictures on the website Flickr.com. From there it is really easy to share the pictures with other people to include making it very easy for me to share them on the ROK Drop with the readers here. If you need any help on how to do this please let me know.

  • Gary Judy
    12:26 pm on June 22nd, 2012 278

    JFisher I was at Casey in 1975 702Mt.BN. and I took my family to Korea in 2000 for the last big family vacation for my son’s graduation from high school. I’m married to a Korean not one I met there but one I met here after getting out of the Army. She hadn’t been back to Korea since 1981 and we were both shocked at how much it had changed. I told a private that was giving us a tour of Casey that we used to sleep in a Quanset hut like one that was still standing and was being used as a storage shed and he didn’t believe me. He was shocked. I told him we ran out of fuel for the stove that we used for heat because of some flare up in the Middle East and froze our asses off for awhile that winter. I had a over nught Kimchee pass and stayed in the village above the Savoy club most of the time so it didn’t bother me to much.

  • JFisher
    3:57 pm on June 22nd, 2012 279

    GARY #274: I plucked my lovely and gracious Korean wife
    out of the Friendship Arcade on USAG Yongsan in 81′. I was the 227th Maint. Bn. Re-up NCO. My best year in the Army. Aside from marrying her, I made E-8 that yr. Got a chuckle out of your comment regarding the “kimchi
    overnight pass”. I was an E-6 supply Sgt in 2nd S&T Bn
    in 70-71′ and mastered forging my 1SG’s signature on
    the overnights all the time. I went back to Korea on vacation in 03′. Went back again May/Jun last year. If you were to go back again now, I will bet you
    .25 cents hard cold cash you would be as amazed now as
    you were in 2000. The place has changed that much since
    then in my opinion. Enjoyed your comments. Feel free to contact me at jfisher1946@gmail.com I enjoy chatting with former GI’s. We are going to Europe on 1 July for 3 weeks-month to visit countries we missed before. I will not be responding to emails sent in that
    time frame until we get back but will view with them
    soon as I return.

    1SG Glen Pendley’s signature practically

  • Charles
    10:15 am on June 23rd, 2012 280

    I was stationed with 2nd engineers at CP Castle 89-90. I had a blast, the new korea club, the senokang, studio 54, rendevous, pioneer, dragon club, peace club, T club, ob cabin, the noble cabin. ahh, the neon night life. It was sure great to see these posts. The bar room brawls, and then ducking out before the MP’s showed up.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    10:58 am on June 29th, 2012 281

    For everyone that served in Dongducheon in the 1950s and 1960s the below link may be of interest:

    http://rokdrop.com/2012/06/28/filmmaker-looking-to-interview-us-rok-military-veterans-for-documentary/

  • Kevin
    4:03 pm on June 30th, 2012 282

    Does anyone happen to remember a waitress named “Linda” in a small bar in Tongducheon? I met her when I was stationed at Camp Hovey in 1978-1979. She was the only waitress in the bar, like I said it was pretty small. Anyone know what happened to her?

  • JFisher
    1:38 am on July 1st, 2012 283

    KEVEN#282 You should have married when you had the opportunity
    (you are one of God knows how many). Glad I did!

  • JFisher
    2:19 am on July 1st, 2012 284

    KEVIN #282: Sorry I spelled your name incorrectly and I screwed up my comment. I meant to say that you should have married Linda when you had the chance and that only God knows how many guys feel the same way now about the ladies they met and left behind. I did not mean to imply it was the person you were referring to and glad I married a Korean (31 years ago). Generally speaking it is my opinion you can’t top them!! Always
    a good idea to proof read your text before hitting the “Submit”
    box.

  • Kevin
    3:48 pm on July 9th, 2012 285

    Hey Frank B was the girl whom ran the bar named Linda by chance?

  • Frank B
    6:54 am on July 10th, 2012 286

    I don’t remember. Sorry.

  • DavidH
    10:18 pm on July 10th, 2012 287

    To all the vets that were there before me I say thank you, and god bless. My father was there 51′-53′ but never talked to me about Korea during the war. But every winter I spent there (3 in total) I still can’t imagine what you vets had to endure. Thank you again for making Korea what I got to enjoy

  • Alan N. Ehlers
    12:25 pm on August 17th, 2012 288

    Was at Casey from 7/68 through late 69. Was assigned to HHC 7th inf. Honor Guard. Enjoyed my time in Korea. Spend quite a bit of time in TDC at the clubs. Would like to hear from any other guard members. Have a claim with VA but it is in appeal for HBP, prostate cancer and type II diabetes. Would like to hear from anyone who could assist in any evidence of AO at Casey.

    I ,like others I bet, would really like to have made notes of where I won’t and did and took more pictures. Now that I’m 65 I really appreciated my time at Casey.

  • JFisher
    2:29 pm on August 17th, 2012 289

    ALAN#288: There is info on Agent Orange in Korea. I think
    that may have been brought up on ROKDrop. Have tried
    Google’ing it? Did you retire from the Army? Have you
    considered going back to Korea and checking it out as it
    is today compared to “way back when”? I wish you the best
    of luck in your disability claim.

  • DJ
    6:18 pm on August 17th, 2012 290

    Alan#288, Please read from the following sites. Maybe something new for you. I would like to go back but as it was in 1969, it is too modern for my memories.

    http://veteransinfo.org/korea.html
    http://veteransinfo.org/korea2.html

  • DJ
    6:33 pm on August 17th, 2012 291

    Alan N. Ehlers, I was in 7th ID, 1/31st Camp Casey. I arrived in 03/1969 and left on emergency leave in November of 1969 and didn’t go back. I was too short and after my Father died at work I stayed in US till I ETS date. I did some time in TDC but didn’t enjoy the club stuff, needed a trustworthy girl but they were far and few, I was 19 and naive. I too wish I had some pictures and notes or maps as too where I was. In the summer of 69 we went to “tent city” and dug holes in the hill sides for the Engineers to pour concrete bunkers (I have no clue where that was but I would like to know). I assume that area was between Casey and the DMZ. I met a 25 year old woman that was selling cookies, we became good friends, she lived in a one room apartment with one light, no water and peed in a pot, very poverty lifestyle. I would love to have went back to see her again, I left with our seeing her or telling her where I was going. Fill me in on your tour. Oh, I have a claim with VA as well, prostate cancer and peripheral neuropathy. It has been almost a year since I filed, I think they are waiting for me to doe, Ha!

  • JFisher
    6:39 pm on August 17th, 2012 292

    ALAN#288: I Googled the A/O in Korea. Lots of info popped up.

    DJ#290: Your foresight is excellent. I have been back three
    times (May/Jun 11′most recent). It is a bummer not being able
    to walk in your previous footsteps as before. Everything has
    changed. Just got back from almost a month in Europe. Had the
    same experience there as well. Most of the places I had been
    stationed at there are gone. Ramstien AFB is still there but
    totally unrecognizable to me. Modernization. I was last there
    in 84′.

  • Alan N. Ehlers
    7:16 am on August 22nd, 2012 293

    Thanks for all the comments. As I said I was there 68/69 @ Camp Casey/TDC. Served with Honor Guard 7th inf. traveled to Pusan by train for memorials to fallen during Korea War along with other armies, did a ceremony in Seoul for killed soldiers,1 time, at AFB. TRavelled to DMZ ,I believe 2X with the officers, for meetings.

    I still have a picture of a girl I visited often in TDC when we went to town. OB beer was weak and had to drink a lot of it to do any good. Marijuana was pretty per leant when I was there. Cheaper then beer.

    Hard for me to believe families live close to Casey now. Have seen pictures that show good improvement. Lately have been thinking of going back to see i, wife thinks I’m a little nuts with that thought. But lately have been trying to remember the times I had, friends I made, and thinks I saw. When I got discharged, just thought I wanted to forget it all.

    Use to pull ceromonies all the time on the field on camp. Saw Bob Hope there one time and was looking at some pictures when they used to have contest to catch little pigs on camp.

    Would love to hear from other Guard members or anyone who remembers trips to DMZ, need proof for claim or any proof of spraying or storage of AO at Camp Casey.

    Still was one of my best times, my time in Korea and some of the funny stories I have from basic at Cambell and AIT at Ord.

  • DJ
    9:41 pm on August 22nd, 2012 294

    Alan N. Ehlers, I think Fort Ord is closed if I remember correctly. I was there as a DI in late 68 and early 69. Nothing but ice plant and sand, beautiful country though. I have not wanted to go back to Korea until I retired a year ago, I wont bring it up as long as my wife is alive and/or we are still together. Wouldn’t serve any purpose cause if I went back I wouldn’t have her with me, Ha!

  • guitard
    11:35 pm on August 22nd, 2012 295

    Fort Ord is sort of still there. There are no military units, but the PX and commissary are still there and some of the original housing areas were retained for troops stationed at the Presidio of Monterey. A lot of the base infrastructure was converted over to the University of California Monterey Bay.

  • mike
    7:34 pm on September 12th, 2012 296

    I was at Camp Casey in 76-77. What a trip! That winter was recorded at minus 70 and we had feild manuvers when thta cold front blasted in. We we’re on nightmare range when one of the apc’s caught fire. One of the guys sleeping in it caught his sleeping bag on fire with a little stove he had inside. Never knew one of those suckers could burn like that. I do admit I loved my year there and wished I had extended. Lot’s of fun and some great memories.

  • Wilco Wayne
    11:01 am on October 11th, 2012 297

    I was stationed there in the mid 60′s about 12 years following the 2d Korean War. Lots of girls and they were gorgeous. $5 a pop. But I was too busy to partake. Almost starved. The Koreans ran the mess halls and as a driver, I was always dropped off late and was last in line, when the food was gone. So, the first 3 months my noon and evening rations were less than that of a POW. Soon my boss noted I had lost a lot of weight and was skin and bones. Called me in and asked was I eating? I told him all I got, noon and evenings was a bowl of liquid only soup. He made sure I got to the head of the line from then on. I regained the 25 pounds I lost. We used paper script issued by the Army. When there was a script color change, the old script was deemed worthless. They would record how much each soldier had the evening before and reissue the new colored script the following morning. During one script change, I was on guard the evening prior to the new script being issued. A bar girl came up with thousands of $$ worth of script and tossed it over the fence. I could not use it, my tally had already been recorded. Many village girls who had worked months receiving the old colored script were instantly penniless. Many were found days later, having committed suicide. The VD rate in my barracks was over 50%. Most were cured easily. When the floods came, 24.85 inches in 8 hours, all the bridges were washed away. We ran out of food in 10 days and the Koreans helped us pick weeds to eat from alongside the road. Again, I lost about 20 + pounds. Got lost one night near the DMX, went to black drive and spotted a guard shack 125 meters down the road. I balked at driving up to it to the chagrin of my commanding officer. When viewed through the binoculars, I could see the red star and a green hat. We turned around and drove in the opposite direction. Was I in North Korea, don’t know. One time we turned a corner during BENT, and were greeted with machine gun fire over the top of the jeep. It seems like my jeep just rose in the air and flipped around instantly. Later, I was told it was probably friendly fire. Korean has changed a lot since then.

  • Bob Schneider
    2:55 pm on October 25th, 2012 298

    I just made JPG files of the RIfle Range at camp Casey from 1966. Let me know who to email them to.
    Bob

  • JFisher
    3:22 pm on October 25th, 2012 299

    Bob#298: jfisher1946@gmail.com Thanks bro.

  • Whaley
    11:45 pm on November 2nd, 2012 300

    Charlie Rock 122nd Signal Battalion 1985-86

  • DJ
    9:54 am on November 3rd, 2012 301

    Bob, Being in Camp Casey in 69 I am interested in your map, I would find it interesting if I could see it. I would sincerely appreciate it.
    davidjackson1949@gmail.com

  • Michael Staggs
    12:06 pm on November 3rd, 2012 302

    Ah yes Whaley, 122 Sig. I was on Casey a couple of years ahead of you. I sat on a Courts Martial for one of your “heros”. A female soldier awoke in her barracks room to find him standing over her and masturbating!

  • Tim C
    6:35 pm on November 4th, 2012 303

    122 Signal Jul 75 – Oct 76. Lots of time in the field and up on Hill 754. Monthly trips to Collier and Ouellette.

  • Michael Staggs
    9:17 pm on December 11th, 2012 304

    I think Linda Kim (#39) is right, most of the Korean girls who went home with GI’s worked in the clubs. That is not necessarily a bad thing as I knew many couple who did well.
    In 1983 I knew a Heayoung in TDC and I should have married her. I went back three years later and was told she had married a young US Officer, I hope she does well, she deserves a good life. Ran into my old CSM in a TDC club – he had retired and came back to find a good wife.

  • Michael Staggs
    9:32 pm on December 11th, 2012 305

    In 1983-84 I was the Sr. Intel. NCO for the 1st Bdg S-2. We had a Bdg Re-enlistment NCO who had been with the Marines in TDC in 1953! He had some photos which sure showed how much the place had changed.

    I would like to go back to Korea, but I would rather go back to Heidelberg and Schwetzingen Germany. Hell, I wouldn’t mind going back to Viet Nam, their beaches are great. The only place I was stationed that I do not care to see again is Japan.

  • Gary
    11:17 am on December 12th, 2012 306

    I went back to TDC in 2000 and its not the same place. Mostly Russian and Filipino girls. Many of the Russian girls had Aids from what I was told. Its a different world now my friend.

  • JFisher
    2:16 pm on December 12th, 2012 307

    Gary 306: I have read that the Russians are all but gone now. The domain
    is all Flips now. Anybody care to confirm that?

  • Gary
    8:37 pm on December 12th, 2012 308

    I talked to one of those Russian girls and she said their country was going through some rough times and they were working off some debt between the Russiam Mob and the Korean Mob. Must be they got it all paid off huh.. When I first walked into the club I thought they were American girls and it kind of shocked me because when I was there in 75 we didn’t see any white girls up in the 2nd. unless they were a nurse or with a Med unit.

  • Bob Schneider
    8:42 pm on December 12th, 2012 309

    nothing wrong with a Filipeno woman, Heck, they all look nice, Filipino, Thai, Korean, Japanese, Chinese. If they don’t just have another O.B. or Bangyang. :mrgreen:

  • Tim C
    2:28 pm on December 16th, 2012 310

    I was at Casey 75-76. Spent 16 months. Had a great time and miss the friends I made there, both Korean and fellow soldiers. In the past year my work took me back three times to Casey and I spent a lot of time walking around the old hangouts. My hooch is gone, replaced by a 20 story (+) high rise. Lots of the same clubs with facelifts. No Korean or Russian girls working the clubs, only Filipino babes wanting you to buy them a glass of $20 orange juice. Back in the day the Silver Star was our favorite hangout and played rock. It is still there (but now CW).

  • Gary
    5:46 pm on December 16th, 2012 311

    I was also there about the same time in the 702nd Mt.Bn. I went back in 2000 and tried to find the Savoy Club which is where I lived above the club next to the billards room. I couldn’t find it but thought I found the New Korea Club but wasn’t sure and that was where the Russian girls were if that was it. Everything had changed so much I didn’t reconize anything on or off base. Wasn’t the Silver Star going toward the 2nd market and wasn’t there a Montana Club and the Rendezvous Club around that area? I also remember another Club in the other direction that looked like a cave inside it.

  • Gary
    6:01 pm on December 16th, 2012 312

    Your right Bob there is nothing wrong with any of them, they all have beautiful women. I married a Korean girl although not one I met while serving there but one I met after I got back home at work. I almost married one that I lived with over there for about 6 to 8 months and often wonder about her and hope she is doing well. Its funny because she went to a fortune teller to see if we were going to get married and she told her no but that I would marry a Korean girl and she also told her how many kids I would have with this other Korean girl. Guess what… she was right on everything… now if I could only find that lady and have her give me the lotto numbers. Its hard to believe I know but its a true story

  • Ron Kahles
    10:54 am on January 21st, 2013 313

    I have enjoyed reading all the comments about Korea and camp casey I was with the 17th trans. A Co. TDY to to the 7Th Div. NCO Academy from 5/30/61 to 5/30/62 was with a great bunch of guys the CO at that time was Capt. Hatcher at the NCO Academy it was Capt. Glasson. Thanks for memories/ Bob Hope was there that year for Xmas…Ron

  • Matt Miller
    11:19 am on February 2nd, 2013 314

    Charlie Company 1st /23rd Camp Hovey Feb. 78 to Feb 79.I often think of Korea as I am reminded of it everyday by my wife of 35 years who I met in Toko ri.We have 2 kids both college grads so all turned out well. I am looking forward to going back soon as I am recently retired.My wife has been back a few times but without me.I spent 32 years in construction in New York City but am most proud of my 4 years in the infantry and especially my time in 2nd Division. I will always remember the great people who I was fortunate enough to have served with in Korea. Ireally enjoyed reading the stories on this website and will look forward to checking it out in the future.

  • kevin Maher
    11:58 am on February 3rd, 2013 315

    Matt I was at Camp Hovey the same time that you were. Charlie Company. Do you by chance remember a girl name Linda she worked as a waitress in Donducheon. The bar she worked at had a poolhall above it. I can’t remember the name of the bar though. I was just wondering if you knew her and if she was still there when you left. I left in August of 1978, she was a friend of mine and was just wondering what happened to her. A gooding looking girl.

  • kevin Maher
    11:59 am on February 3rd, 2013 316

    Hey matt! I was there too the same time you were at Camp Hovey! Believe it or not I cannot remember my unit # there. Had a good time but was glad to get home too. Hey did you ever meet a waitress named Linda in

  • kevin Maher
    12:03 pm on February 3rd, 2013 317

    Sorry about that! Meet a waitress by the name of Linda in Dondueheon? She was a waitress in a bar that had a poolhall on the top floor of the bar. she was a friend of mine and was just curious if you knew her and what happened to her, I left there in August of 1978. She was a attractive girl and like I said she went by the name “Linda”. Thanks!

  • Gary Judy
    12:04 pm on February 3rd, 2013 318

    That club with the pool hall above it was the Savoy Club. I lived with a girl that had a room right next to the pool hall. This was in 74 75

  • Michael Staggs
    1:28 pm on February 3rd, 2013 319

    Ah, guys, we all remember girls from TDC or Toko-Ri, and every other place GI’s were stationed.
    I was at Camp Casey from 83-84, I went back in 87 and couldn’t find any of the girls I remembered, and believe me I spent a lot of time in the clubs.
    I married two American woman (and lived with several others) and am now alone. I have often wondered how my life would have been different if I had married one of those Korean women?

  • Bob Schneider
    1:43 pm on February 3rd, 2013 320

    yup, I wonder what happened to “gold tooth” mamasan at the crown club.
    man was she good. Appreciative TOO!! :mrgreen:

  • jfisher
    7:57 am on February 4th, 2013 321

    Mike Staggs #319: The answer to your question at the end of your posting is “CONTENTED”. (unless you were the one that did not behave yourself).

  • scott may
    8:37 am on February 4th, 2013 322

    This is for Kevin Maher, I was there 2nd bn 72nd armor, If Its the starz club she worked in ( the starz wich was formaly the lions den, dark side of the moon, and head/eagles clubs played rock music, had no whores working there and didnt allow them in and were the ONLY clubs were if you were lucky could meet a girl who just worked there) and Im pretty sure it is. I can actualy help you out. The starz had pool tables upstairs there was a bartender there who was a little taller than most korean girls, pretty and wore glasses and went by the name linda (only girl there that did)she was there 78-80 and when I went back 82-83. my best army buddy who married a korean and is still married to this day, and his wife told me when he came out from colorado for a visit to my home here in the northwest mountains of maine last summer that she owns a korean resteraunt outside FT Carson colorado ( they live in Fountain). shes like 54 now. we just happened to be talking about her for doing something special for me the last time I saw her in july of 83 just b4 leaving from my 2nd tour there with Bco 1st bn 38th inf. My 1st tour was in csc 2nd bn 72nd armor 78-80. By the way,the special thing she did wasnt of a sexual nature, we were only friends. she was best friends with another girl I loved and lived with on my first tour wich was why I extended. I know I have a pic of her and my buddy has pics of him and his wife with her now ( my buddies wife is a cook in a korean resteraunt in denver) hope this helps out. I spent 8 years in the rok but none compare to the first tour. If its her ,and I realy think it is, as I dont recall a korean girl using an american name so prominantly in my memory ( not to say it didnt happen, hell I remember going to sonju-ri when I was in the JSA and there was a club there where thay all used animal names) but she stands out. If its her, drop me a line. I talk to my buddy mike in colorado every week and am going out to see him this summer. I loved korea, its people,their culture but its bittersweet for me, sometimes I feel haunted by the sad stories of our involvment there both for GI’s but mostly for the girls who never got out, I call them the “ghosts of dong du chon” but I dont regret a day of it.Take care and hope this helps,drop me a line if it is her.

  • guitard
    8:43 am on February 4th, 2013 323

    scott may wrote:

    I saw her in july of 83 just b4 leaving from my 2nd tour there with B Co 1st Bn 38th Inf.

    Was CPT Filbeck your company commander?

  • scott may
    9:09 am on February 4th, 2013 324

    This is for Guitard, sounds familiar, I spent a long time in and had alot of co’s. I do remember my first 1st sgt there was the youngest man to be promoted to csm, was a dsc recipient in nam and marathon runner who loved to run the horn! ( if you know what that is) his replacement was a real zero. my plt sgt was a guy named moore my buddies were strause,brown,rodrigues,bledsoe,teage my best buddy was in the tow plt stephen parker,ariel ect. the xo was a guy named allen or adams, I remember him because I went back to the 1st Ranger bn and went to greneda and he was there and was wounded, but Filbeck sounds familiar. I went on to be LTC Sutherlands driver until I asked to go back to my company, by that time we ( the weapons plt) had moved out of the quanset huts to the “new” barracks down by the class six and movie theatre.

  • Kevin Maher
    9:13 am on February 4th, 2013 325

    This is for Scott May, yes that’s her! Please if you have a picture of her I would love to see it just to make sure it’s really her. I dated her from June to about August 1978, then headed home to the states after that. Always wondered about her, are you saying that she is in Colorado now? She must have married and came to the states. Thanks so much please let me know about the picture.

  • jfisher
    9:16 am on February 4th, 2013 326

    Scott#322: We have a things in common, both from New England, I am from
    Barre VT and was in Maine this past Oct, have a friend in Belfast, I
    am married to a Korean, share your sentiments regarding Korea. I was the
    Bde. Reenlistment guy at the time you were at 2/72 Armor. Also had the 1/72 and 5/20 Inf. I would not likely to have met you because I was over the Bn Re-up guys. Live in N Virginia now. If you ever get down this way give would enjoy swapping war stories/Korea experiences.
    jfisher1946@gmail.com

  • Kevin Maher
    9:48 am on February 4th, 2013 327

    Scott #322: She(Linda) also spoke really good English. Does this sound like her? Man I hope you can put up a picture of her or email it to me, I would really appreciate it alot.

  • scott may
    11:09 am on February 4th, 2013 328

    OK This is for Kevin Maher and JFisher, Kevin, yes she is in Colorado now and owns a korean resteraunt outside FT Carson so obviosly married when she came. she was there ( in the rok) 78-80 and as I said she was there the last time I went to the starz club in july 83 ( on my 82-83 tour with 1/38th) on my 3rd tour (JSA) AUGUST 84-AUGUST 85 I went to tdc on a pass just before the panmunjom firefight when the russian defected so Im guessing end of october to early nov 84, she was not there,only “charlie” (the owner) was there from the old crew. as for the pic, Im looking at it now but dont know how to post pics here and dont have your email.I will call my buddy Mike in fountain and get the name of the place today and what her name is now ok? JFisher, your email did pop up so for both of you mine is scottandpattymay@yahoo.com.drop me a line and Ill send my number as I do better talking than typing but JFisher, Ive been to the harley shop there, originaly born in south dakota and raised in nh and my wife and I are trying to sell the house and move down there, how crazy is that? and my 17 yr old son and I will be at the 150th gettysburg “fighting” with our regt the 3rd arkansas vollunteer inf, crazy rebs from maine ( dont ask) and gettysburg is just up the road from you so who knows? If you guys type in csc 2nd bn 72nd armor 78-80 theres a sight that will take you directly to pics of my old outfit and me and mike then and now on his first trip out here. so Ill wait to hear back from you guys and Ill talk with you then. those were the days…..wernt they.

  • Kevin Maher
    11:33 am on February 4th, 2013 329

    Scott can you send it to me via email, scan it in and sent it? Or better yet you can take a picture of it with your cell phone and then forward it tom me. Phone # is 850-240-8656, and email address is kpmaher5@yahoo.com. Thanks alot looking forward to seeing the picture

  • Michael Staggs
    1:31 pm on February 4th, 2013 330

    OK, if you guys can do – so can I.
    Does anyone remember a girl (from 83-84) called “Pinky” (Shin Hey Keung?)? She was tall, slender, long auburn hair and very beautiful.
    I remember her from two clubs, one was the Silver Slipper and I don’t remember the other.
    I went back in 1987, this time stationed in Seoul. I went to TDC and was told she married an officer. I’d like to know what happened to her.

  • Michael Staggs
    1:33 pm on February 4th, 2013 331

    I would also like to find any maps showing the ville, and all the clubs, from the 70′s and 80′s.
    Can anyone help me?

  • Frank B
    2:07 pm on February 4th, 2013 332

    Funny seeing all the comments from people who’ve been to TDC.
    Ref Scott May. I was also there from August 82- Aug 83 (2nd Engineers – Camp Castle). Went back there also in all od ’85.
    I used to live in the Starz club both times. In 82-83, I was usually with my girlfriend, who had very long hair and used to wear dresses all the time. We usually sat in a corner somwhere. She was married and had already been to the states and back, but was seperated from her husband at the time. You’ve probably seen us in there, but we didn’t know each other.
    I don’t remember a Linda, but I do remember the older lady who was very pretty behind the bar. I think she was the owners wife. I used to hit on her all the time. I also remember J.C., the bouncer. He was cool. Used to like the Starz, because you didn’t have to put up with the prostitutes there.
    I went back in ’85, and met my wife there at the Starz. We’ve been married almost 28-years now, and have 3 grown kids.
    we went back to Korea in Sep 2011, my first time back in 26-years. What a change! Seoul is like Tokyo now…very modern.
    We went to Camp Casey one day, and walked through the Ville. A lot of it is torn down. The elevated train runs right along the main MSR, and took out a lot of that side of the Ville. Couldn’t find the Starz club. I think the building was torn down and rebuilt.
    We enjoyed it, so we are going back in April for a few weeks. Bringing 2 of my kids this time. May stop back in by TDC to check it out again.

  • Frank B
    2:14 pm on February 4th, 2013 333

    The one thing that did bother me about Korea was how mad Koreans still get when they see an American with a Korean. In Seoul, it wasn’t too bad, but the further from Seoul you got, the worse it got. Even got it in a little grocery store in TDC. I told my wife we should have got shirts back then that said “We’ve been married for 25-years – Get over it!”
    Hopefully it’ll be better this time with my kids there too.

  • Kevin Maher
    2:22 pm on February 4th, 2013 334

    Hi Scott, will you be able to take a picture of the picture of Linda with a cell phone camera, and then send it to me? Really need to see it to make sure this is her. 850-240-8656 is the number to send it too, or maybe someone can help you put it on here, I don’t know how either.

  • Frank B
    2:29 pm on February 4th, 2013 335

    @ Kevin Maher. You want to go through all this trouble after only going with her for 2-months, 30-years ago? Most likely, she is married. Korean women in the States tend to congregate together, and are usually VERY religious.
    I was at Fort Carson in between my Korea tours, in 83-84. There was a huge Korean club there in Colorado Springs called the Oriental King Club. Guys also called it the O.K. Corral. I would imagine it’s still there. If anyone would know her, they would.
    Beware though. Most girls don’t like remembering those days, and her husband probably won’t either. Just a heads up!

  • jfisher
    3:26 pm on February 4th, 2013 336

    Frank#333: Sorry to hear of the negative reactions towards your wife and you from Koreans when you were out and about in Korea. I have to say
    that the 3 trips were there, the last being 2011, we traveled all over
    the country and never picked a negative vibe. On the contrary. I am a
    people watcher and when I would look at person in the eye and nod to
    them they would smile and nod back to me. Aside from me not nodding they
    would just gives a quick glace and turn away. Back in the early eighties
    my wife was confronted by an old gezzer that said something rude to her.
    I picked up on that straight away. Was not told exactly what he said
    because she knew I have a very thin skin when being “dissed”and would
    react without thinking. I am more rational now—anyway I think so.

  • Kevin Maher
    3:37 pm on February 4th, 2013 337

    Hey Scott I see you are trying to call me, I am in a meeting until much later. I have given you my wife’s phone # as my cell phone is not working right(It’s ok sshe knows about this so don’t worry about leaving a message. As for Frank I am not looking to have a reunion of some sorts, when I left there we decided to remain friends. Just would like to see a picture of her to make sure this is the correct “LInda”. When I got back to the states I met a beautiful girl whom I married and am still married to. Scott hopefully you can somehow get that picture to me, thanks so much for your time and help.

  • guitard
    1:56 am on February 5th, 2013 338

    scott may wrote:

    This is for Guitard, sounds familiar, I spent a long time in and had a lot of COs.

    CPT Filbeck was the B Co commander for most of 1982, so if you were there anytime in 1982, then he was probably your commander. The only reason I bring it up is because he is now retired and working at Yongsan as a civilian. I bump into him every now and then.

  • Kevin Maher
    7:58 am on February 5th, 2013 339

    Scott I tried to send you a email but it won’t take your email address. What I have is scottandpattymay@yahoo.com. Is this correct? Kevin Maher

  • Kevin Maher
    7:29 pm on February 5th, 2013 340

    Thanks Scott for talking to my wife today, I appreciate it alot. And thank you also for mailing out the photo too. If its her I will make a copy and mail the picture back to you asap. Have lots of memories of TDC, it was a unforgettable experience to say the least! Very rough life for those girls there, I hope that they found some kind of happiness in life. Appreciate your help alot, take care!

  • guitard
    10:38 pm on February 5th, 2013 341

    Kevin Maher wrote:

    Have lots of memories of TDC, it was an unforgettable experience to say the least! Very rough life for those girls there. I hope that they found some kind of happiness in life.

    I only have anecdotal evidence. But I think by and large, for the girls who never left Korea – most of them are now living a regular ol’ domesticated life just like most other Koreans in their 50s are living.

    In other words, they were just like the young 20-something soldier who was out every night getting drunk and chasing tail around the ville – but now 30 years later has completely settled down and is living a regular sort of life raising a family and being a responsible citizen.

  • Matt Miller
    9:17 am on February 6th, 2013 342

    Just got back to the site today.I don’t remember many clubs in TDC.Spent most of my time in Toko ri or in the field.The guy who got me to transfer to korea in 77 was a dude met in FT. Riley Kansas in 76 , . He had been in country before. 74,75.1/38th.He went back in 78 ended up in 1/38th B company.He had gone back looking for a girl he had almost married the first time he was there.J.R.Morgan if any body knows him drop me a line . Kind of a hard to forget character.I had hung out with a bunch of people in Kansas who had been in Rok before. Another one was a dude called Flash.He was in the Maint. Bn. by the Tokori gate.A lso lookin for my best buddy in 1/23 name of Brian Oneil.I,m from Pa. Poconos . Bought some land last year in Gettysburg on Marsh Creek. Be great to see some ROK vets there .All The Best.

  • Gary
    12:24 pm on February 6th, 2013 343

    I think many of us had girls that were very special to us over there. I lived with a girl named Gena or Jeana not sure how she spelled it above the Savoy Club. She left TDC the same time I did and I was going to bring her back to the states but I still had 1/1/2 years to go and then had a couple of deaths in the family which took all my time and attention. With the communication gap and distance plus lack of funds I kinda of lost track of her. The funny thing is she went to a fortune teller while we living together to see what our future was and she told her that I would marry a Korean girl but it wouldn’t be her and I would have two sons. Well guess what I ended meeting a Korean girl at work and we ended up getting married and had two sons. When we went to Korea I wanted to go to her home town and try to look her up to see if she was doing Ok which I think my wife would have been OK with but I didn’t feel it would be fair to her even though she said she understood.I do know a few of those girls I knew over there did end up coming to the states. A couple of buddies married two of them and a couple of their friends ended up marrying other GI’s.I hope they all found their way in life and things turned out good for them.

  • Bob Schneider
    3:24 pm on February 6th, 2013 344

    I hope ALL the girls found peace and happiness. I can honestly say, none of them ever treated me poorly. Thats more then I can say for my first (American) wife.!
    I was truly blessed with the wife I have now (American). We’ve been together for 33 years and are still in LOVE. It’s GREAT!

  • Gary
    3:32 pm on February 6th, 2013 345

    Bob I must admit there was a few GI’s that treated those girls like they were less than human. I always felt if you didn’t like them stay on base or keep your mouth shut. I would suspect that if they married to a American girl they probably didn’t treat them well either. Hopefully life gave them what they deserved.

  • Frank B
    5:21 pm on February 6th, 2013 346

    Gary…do you remember Gina’s Korean name?

  • scott may
    5:44 pm on February 6th, 2013 347

    @ Kevin Maher, no problem, my pleasure and yes that is my email take care

  • Kevin maher
    6:10 pm on February 6th, 2013 348

    Scott have you had a chance to mail it to me yet? Just need to know as going out of town next week and hoping to get it before we leave. Take care and once again thank you…

  • Tim C
    7:49 pm on February 6th, 2013 349

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  • Gary
    8:23 pm on February 6th, 2013 350

    @ Frank… no I don’t but she had a silver capped tooth on the side in the front. There was another girl that went by the name Gina that hung out in the New Korea house I think it was called, next door to the Savoy Club.

  • Frank B
    8:32 pm on February 6th, 2013 351

    @ Gary. I was just curious. i was there in 82-83 and dated a girl named Gina for the entire year. She had already been to the States, and back again. She was married, and had a young son. Her and her husband were seperated. He transferred to another city down south, and she stayed in Posan-Ni with her son and sister. Thought it could have been her, but she didn’t have a silver tooth. She was extremely pretty with long hair. Didn’t know about her previous life before she went to the States and returned.

  • Gary
    9:29 pm on February 6th, 2013 352

    @ Frank I don’t think it was the same Gina.

  • Kevin Maher
    10:31 am on February 10th, 2013 353

    This is for Scott May: Hey Scott, just wondering if you have had a chance to mail out that photo yet? Take care! Kevin

  • Michael F. Cotton
    9:37 am on February 26th, 2013 354

    Do you or anyone know about a soldier nambed CLANCE Howze???

    If so; what battery or UNIT was he in on Camp St. Barbara/2d How Bn, 76th Arty/7th Inf Divarty???? Supposedly he fell off a cliff.? Did he drown after the fall or did he die outright and when??? Was it in 1962 or 1963 and what month? Any and all help appreciated to help a fellow VET who was stationed there at that time!

  • Dennis
    8:44 pm on March 30th, 2013 355

    I was stations at camp nimble jan 77 to mar78

    I had a greattime

  • David Harrelson
    8:07 pm on April 11th, 2013 356

    I was at Camp Casey from 1/1990 to 5/1992 (16 months) due to the 1st Iraq war. I spent plenty of Thurs, Fri, Sat nights outside the gates on the strip. Rat meat on a stick, and way to many beers. I was in F company 702nd MSB. While this was the unit running the Hospital I worked in the motor-pool with SSG Stacy, and Sgt Shine. Will never forget them. Even though SSG Stacy pimped me out to other units to work on Generators so we could get Humvee glow-plug controllers.

    If anyone from that time remembers me send me a message on FB (David-Dale Harrelson)

  • G. Judy
    1:03 pm on April 12th, 2013 357

    Hey David I was there in 75 76 in the 702 MT. Bn F company. It was a whole different world back then and is nothing like that now. I went back in 2000 and didn’t even recognize the place. It reminded me of the wild west back when I was there. Even our Generla wore a cowboy hat and a six shooter. They called him the Gun Fighter. I had some of the best days of my life there.I think we are talking about the same company and its nice to hear its still there.

  • DJackson
    1:53 pm on April 12th, 2013 358

    G. Judy, I have not been back, as long as my wife is alive I will not go back but I would really like to see it. From the pictures I think that there is a poor part of TDC, I would have to go the poor part to enjoy myself. I am glad TDC has been modernized because it needed it, but the I was there in 69, 44 years ago. I wouldn’t find many that old let alone have a chance of finding an old girl friend. Good grief, she is 5 years older than I so she would be 68. I am going back though, just when the time is right, I might decide to stay. or bring somebody back with me. That would be sweet! She ran a mile to get me a cold beer, back again later that night to get my some bagogie sp?(dog) and rice. Cost 35 cents.

  • guitard
    9:14 pm on April 13th, 2013 359

    wrote:

    From the pictures I think that there is a poor part of TDC, I would have to go the poor part to enjoy myself.

    Sorry to say ol’ boy – the TDC you knew back then does not exist anymore . . . not since the mid-80s. The poorer parts of town did not replace the GI ville. The only thing you’ll find in those places are poor, mostly older people barely eeking out an existence. You will not feel very welcome, nor will you feel like you are back in Korea you used to know.

    Old photos and memories are all that are left from that era.

  • DJackson
    9:43 pm on April 13th, 2013 360

    Well guys I down deep know that I just hate to see it. I agree that it is best served as memories. For those of you that have been back tell me how much it would cost me to stay eat. sleep and whatever for a couple weeks. Including airfare from states.

  • Bob Schneider
    9:57 pm on April 13th, 2013 361

    Hey DJ,
    I was there in 1966. It was a “whole nother world”.
    If you want a “sex junket” the rule is to go to Thailand.
    I have a friend who retired and moved to Pataya (spelling?) Thailand.
    He was 65 years old and decided he could not live on his veterans comp check of 100% which was about 2200 at the time and he moved.
    He married a 28 year old babe and is living like a king. I asked him, what is going to be your “claim to fame”? He told me that the average Thai child gets a 3rd grade education and that he is going to put all the nieces and nephews of his bride through HIGH School.
    I thought that was quite “noble”

  • DJackson
    10:23 pm on April 13th, 2013 362

    Bob, If you were there in 66 you understand our disappointment. Thailand wife might be looking to be taken care of but it sounds like he was taken care of also. What a way to go. :lol:

  • guitard
    10:47 pm on April 13th, 2013 363

    DJackson wrote:

    For those of you that have been back tell me how much it would cost me to stay, eat, sleep and whatever for a couple weeks. Including airfare from states.

    Airfare will definitely be $1K+. If you can fly direct from a major city – it will be closer to $1K. If you stay in a typical Korean motel outside of Seoul – you can get a decent room for $30/night easy. If you like Korean food, you can eat for around $20/day. If you want to eat at western restaurants – you need to add a few dollars per meal. And there are western restaurants everywhere these days. Two weeks would be a little long though in my opinion . . . you’ll get really bored after a few days of the same thing. Best thing would be to travel around a bit. Transportation is still cheap by American standards. If you have a military retiree ID card – access to the bases would be a nice extra, but not at all necessary.

    FYI – from what others have said here in the past – the best approximation of the “good ol’ days” in Korea can best be found in certain parts of the Philippines.

  • G. Judy
    10:54 pm on April 13th, 2013 364

    D Jackson I would think it would cost $5K to $6K for a couple of weeks by yourself.JWAG > I think if it was me and I was looking for something like it was back when you were there I would go to Thailand. I’m not sure what Viet Nam is like these days or the Philipines

  • G. Judy
    11:15 pm on April 13th, 2013 365

    @ Bob so he can live like a king on $2200 a month huh. Its nice that hes putting them through school and just maybe they will care for him when he is too old to do it himself. We had a flip lady friend who married a GI and came back here and was a teacher here and when she retired she moved back over there to open a school for the kids. She wanted us to donate but we had our own kids in college so couldn’t. Anyways she was on a boat over there and bruised her leg and some how it got infected and she died from it so there went the school.

  • JFISHER
    4:57 am on April 14th, 2013 366

    JUDY#364: Your estimate of $5000 to $6000 is way to much for a couple
    of weeks in Korea. Half of that would be plenty in my opinion. If flying
    from the West coast, less than that. I go from Wash DC every other year
    and stay 2-3 weeks.

  • JFISHER
    5:19 am on April 14th, 2013 367

    GUITARD#363: I totally agree that anyone going back to Korea to reminisce will be ready to return after a week at the most. I am sure of
    that.

  • Obama's Speech Coach
    6:57 am on April 14th, 2013 368

    Don’t need to travel far to find sex workers.

    Korea, unlike those who love to diss it claim, has many wonderful opportunities for tourism.

    And, unlike the many mindless zombies claim, it’s not all “sparkling.”

    Do some research and you’ll find the place you want to go. If you know Koreans here you can get the bulk of the experience without leaving the States; but it’s worth going back every now and again. I recommend going right after Chusok. Weather is still good and folks are pretty calm.

  • Obama's Speech Coach
    6:58 am on April 14th, 2013 369

    BTW, the first sentence means they’re in every city of every country and they’re all infected with something you don’t want. And might not be able to cure.

  • Tim C
    3:03 pm on April 28th, 2013 370

    I was in TDC 16 months July 75 – October 76. Loved my time there and to this day miss the friends I made and am sorry I had to leave.

    In the past 18 months my work has taken me back three times.

    Nothing is the same.

    TDC is a mix of poor and the ‘new city’ population. You can find the old charcoal still in use and shoes/slippers outside the hootch doors. A couple blocks away are luxury high-rises.

    My hooch just north of Casey is gone and being replaced by a high rise. I think I found my good friend Song Mi’s hooch in one of the now poorer areas but couldn’t be sure.

    Second market is still there, lot’s of folks trying to make a just-above-ground living. A block away are shops that would rival those on Jefferson Avenue in Grosse Pointe.

    Made a drive to Munsan-ni – did not recognize anything I could remember from my monthly trips to Ouelette and Collier. Munsan-ni is now mostly high-rises. Couldn’t get very close but close enough to see that the bridge is painted with a fresh coat of white paint and from a distance looks pretty good.

    Hill 745 is paved all the way to top. I couldn’t get up all the way up because of restrictions but made it far enough to get a view on a clear day of a sprawling metropolis from DongDuCheon to Euijonbu.

    The sides of mountains are being now being leveled in order to build – the only place they can go is up it is so crowded.

    My favorite in the Ville the Silver Star is still there in the Ville. Although different now – that was pretty cool.

    The road heading out of Hovey into Toroki looks the same. The little hooches and shops lining the street are still there but mostly abandoned. The rest of Tokori is built all the way to DongDuCheon.

    I had plenty of interaction to conclude after my collective month and a half in DongDuCheon that we are no longer welcome by most Koreans. Anyone wanting to go back to to reminisce should save their money.

    Look at your photo albums and cherish your memories.

    I have very fond memories.

  • Tim C
    6:58 pm on May 29th, 2013 371

    really ? after all the April discussion the thread just stops ? nobama coach what say you?

  • R. Warner
    5:49 am on August 28th, 2013 372

    I was stationed with the 2nd MP Co, from 77-78. I remember the day the hot water heater blew up at the turtle farm. Demolished the cinder block building, ruined the SFCs uniform and all of his possessions, he was due to go “back to the world” the next day. Those of us that responded to the explosion initially thought the NKs shot at us until we found the hot water heater.

    Only spent a year there, but I made some life long friends.

  • n2guns
    10:39 am on September 18th, 2013 373

    >Linda Kim (comment #39)

    You said you were a bar owner in Dongduchon. Which bar was that. It wasn’t the VIP Club, was it?

  • John in NY
    12:18 pm on September 18th, 2013 374

    #373, I think she’s long gone. :lol:

  • Rich V
    3:14 pm on September 18th, 2013 375

    #373,

    I think I know who you are referring to from the VIP, could be her or many others, lot of Kims out there and they never used or gave their real names. She is right about the business/bar girls being outcasts from Korean society. Even today, here in the US, for a Korean woman of a certain age to be associated with TDC can often mean her being shunned within the Korean Community.

  • Heather Campbell
    9:51 pm on November 12th, 2013 376

    I was stationed there from 92-93. I was in 702nd Headquarters Detachment. 75Bravo. I loved it there. I, too, wish I could go back to visit.

  • Kevin
    7:31 am on November 13th, 2013 377

    Hey Scott, this is Kevin Maher, the one you sent the picture too. Was the bar that you knew Linda at have a discotech on the bottom floor and a large pool table hall on top of it(2nd Floor). I mean alot of pool tables not just one or two. The picture is so blurry I cannot really see it too well to tell if it’s the Linda I knoew. I just know it was a discoteque on the bottom floor and large poolhall on the top floor. Appreciate your input on this, hope your doing well!

  • Bob Bateman
    12:31 am on November 17th, 2013 378

    I have fond memories of my year at Camp Casey, South Korea: November 1964 to November 1967. I found one of my buddies using the internet. We are talking on the phone. He is in New Jersey and I am in Idaho. I was a Finance Clerk on camp casey: but the last 2 months, I was singing in the Bayonet Choral. We did a show on the DMV line one time, and took a train down to Pusan to do the show. It was G.I. fun! I hear that the chorus is still formed today. I was in it when it had just started. A week before I flew to Korea, I was led by an American soldier to give my heart and soul to Jesus Christ! He came into me that morning and made me BORN-AGAIN! In the 49 years since then, I have sung professionally for Jesus: including an album made in a Hollywood studio: the title song is: “America, It’s Surely Time to Pray”! Based on the scripture in the Bible: II Chronicles 7:14. The only hope we have is not religion, but Jesus Himself! Guys, He is about to come back! Find the “Jack Van Impe Presents” program on Christian TV. You will be amazed, and just love it! If any of you want to talk with me, 208/342-4889. We need one another today more than ever, and to pray for America. Sincerely, Bob Bateman, Singing Evangelist.

  • Bob
    8:00 pm on January 4th, 2014 379

    Glad you are saved.
    I finally made it about 1979 or so. Good think I didn’t get killed in vietnam back in 68..

  • J Kolodgy
    8:54 pm on February 1st, 2014 380

    One missing pushpin on the Camp Casey map that a few people would use to orient themselves: The Turtle Farm.

  • jfisher
    2:56 pm on February 2nd, 2014 381

    J Kolodgy#380: I went on vacation to Korea in 2011 (going back again this Apr) and was
    pleased to lay my eyes on the “Turtle Farm”. It has been abandoned for years, Quanset
    (sp?) huts still there but rusted, overhead shelters but paint has peeled. Most all
    buildings that were there when I left in 88′ are gone and replaced with modern structures. That is the case of the MSR and TDC village.

  • Gary
    9:10 pm on February 2nd, 2014 382

    I took my family there in 2000 and at that time they were all gone except one or two used as sheds. When I told my driver they gave me to tour the base that is where we slept he couldn’t believe it. I remember we ran out of fuel for the heaters in 75 and it got mighty cold. Luckily I was spending my nights above the Savoy Club High and Dry. Man I had a good time there. Its not the same place. Its all modern now days and wouldn’t be much fun. Plus they don’t have the women and you would have to worry about diseases that you couldn’t get a shot to take care of.

  • Gary
    9:27 pm on February 2nd, 2014 383

    @ Linda Kim did you own the New Korea Club because it seem like there was a girl that worked there named Linda and her mother owned it and I think she also had a sister and the two took it over but I’m not sure. If so I remember you and hope all is going well. There was a Korean guy that lived at the other end of the village toward 2nd market that owned a little grocery store and I wondered if he ever made it to the states. He talked about it and I think he got divorced from his Korean wife because she was fooling around with a GI but probably only because he was fooling around with every girl he could. I don’t think he treated his wife very well. He was a loan shark to the GI’s.

  • Mike Appleby
    12:00 pm on March 13th, 2014 384

    I was in West Camp Casey from 1968 to 1969, HHQ & Band. I was the NCOIC at the West Camp Casey Education Center. We lived in quanset huts that were left over from the 1950′s – a real treat in the winter with our kerosine heaters! Not much to do but go to work and the NCO Club – I was recently married when I shipped over, so the village was “off-limits”! Remember Tom Bramble and John Elden, among others. Winter was colder than a well digger’s ass and the spring had the auroma of the honey wagons. It was an amazing 14 months and I can’t believe how things have changed there in the past 45 years.

  • David L. Jackson
    6:09 pm on March 13th, 2014 385

    Mike Appleby, I arrived in April of 69, I was 18 and not married. I didn’t go to town much but I did find a decent gal that showed me around town. I was infantry and spent that summer living in “tent city” digging bunkers by hand in the hills someplace close to Casey I am sure. I did 30 days in the “Imjin Scout” school from Camp Sitman, Camp Young and the DMZ. One of my most memorable months, that was a tough month of infantry training. I don’t recollect a lot of where we were and how I got there to be honest. How about you?

  • Matthew T.
    7:45 am on March 30th, 2014 386

    5/5 ADA, 11/91 to 11/92, Tardif is my name. Crown Club was The spot in TDC, got picked up by a chick in there one night, spent a night in a motel, next morning my wallet was gone, lol. You learned not to leave it laying around. They found my ID card 4 months later down near Uijong-Bu. Lost 80 bucks, it was worth every penny.

    Toko-ri was where I spent my first night off post, or “Downrange”. Me and a buddy went to some small club with Juicy Girls. We walked them home, but couldn’t seal the deal, they played us very well. That was the last time I spent a penny on a Juicy Girl. They were all Korean at that time, no Phillipino’s.

    Su Jin was the first girl I “hooked up” with, without having to pay, lol. Next day saw her with another dude. She was a busy girl, lol.

    Many drunken nights in TDC, guard duty in our motorpool, fights in the barracks, fights at the gym, my ten-speed bike from girlfriend’s house to the base through Gate #2, deep snow, tropical storms, etc…Had a great time there, learned how to party.

    Spc. Louis Martin, funny ass dude. Used to call Spc. Wilcox “Dirtybird”, squawking the whole time, funny ass shit.

    Running PT uphill with bad hangovers, puking as I go, never falling out.

    Went to Track 1 program, counselor said I was fine, sent me back to unit with a stamp of approval. He said a case of beer on the weekend was fine!

  • Bobby Correa
    5:00 am on April 1st, 2014 387

    62-64 11th combat Engr Bn Icorp camp Essayon Uijongbu Korea, we had a group of guys who were like brothers, any of you guys still with me, give a post is so, would love to talk, maybe meet. Who knows, we were young, then Vietnam came and took many of us!I was then back in the states in- 19thEngr. Bn. fort Meade Maryland 1964-65. Had many friends there too. Anyone still around?

  • Tim C
    6:28 pm on April 9th, 2014 388

    number 228 I.d like to talk to you.

  • Leon LaPorte
    7:15 pm on April 9th, 2014 389

    VFW Post 9985 in Dongducheon now has a Facebook page. For those who may be, or have been, members, or for those who served in Area I, feel free to visit and “like”.

    http://www.facebook.com/CampCaseyVFWpost9985

  • Amy ulrich
    9:25 pm on April 13th, 2014 390

    Hi, just found this site. Looking to see if anyone spent time volunteering at the local orphanage called Yang Ju from late 60′s to 1970′s. I was told there was a lot of volunteering and interaction with the children and soldiers during that time.

  • Mike Staggs
    9:24 am on April 14th, 2014 391

    I was there 83-84 with the 1st Bdg. We supported the Ah Shin orphanage until our project Off. found out they wouldn’t help mixed race orphans. The Bdg. stopped our support which caused an international incident. The Ah Shin (we called them the Ah Shit) insisted they were due our support!
    We began to help another orphanage which did take mixed race kids.

  • Amy ulrich
    2:12 pm on April 14th, 2014 392

    Thanks Mike, . Yang Ju merged with Aeshin in ’75. Aeshin wouldn’t take any mix race babies?? Very sad to hear!

  • Mike Staggs
    4:49 pm on April 14th, 2014 393

    It was a shame – on them! It was important to us due to GI’s being responsible for most of the mix race babies.
    It really was a minor international incident. The Aeshin complained to the ROK Gov and they went to our St. Dept., who them investigated. Apparently the Aeshin people couldn’t (or wouldn’t) accept we could lend our support to whoever we chose, in the end another orphanage (the name I don’t recall) got our help.

  • Bill Fick
    6:20 pm on April 24th, 2014 394

    Was stationed at Camp Hovey, B Co. 102nd M.I. Btn., 2nd Infantry Division from Jan ’85 to Mar ’86. Remember a lot of both Toko-ri and Tongduchon. I was a GSR, and spent most of my time there on the DMZ at Radar Site #6.

  • frankie gilbert
    3:52 pm on April 25th, 2014 395

    Was at Hovey C 1/9th Inf 77 to 78, had one Sgt Avery in the company that had been there several years and still there when I left, had kept extending his tour. Was married to a Korea lady and said that he would stay at Hovey as long as they would let him, bet that he has retired and living in Toko-ri today. Any old Manchu soldiers out there that remembers him?

 

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