The “TDC Ville” known in Korean as Bosan-dong, is the section of the city of Dongducheon located just across the street from the front gate of Camp Casey.
Camp Casey front gate, with Soyo Mountain in the background. I once saw a soldier arrested by the KNPs for pissing on the Indian statue.
This area is known as the “TDC Ville” because Dongducheon used to spelled Tonducheon and was shortened by soldiers to TDC. The ville is a bunch of old run down buildings that house a mixture of eating establishments, clubs, and shopping stores. The ville has actually seen much recent change. A large portion of the ville was knocked down to make way for the new subway line that runs through Dongducheon now.
New Dongducheon subway station
The new subway station is just a short walk five minute walk south of Camp Casey’s gate one. The subway is connected to the Seoul subway system and the trains running from Dongducheon actually reach Uijongbu in about 20 minutes. To reach downtown Seoul it takes about an hour and a half. Soldiers can even take this subway line all the way to Songtan, just outside of Osan Airbase, but it is a long two and a half hour ride.
Some of the new buildings across the street from Camp Casey.
One of the fortunate things about knocking down the old buildings is that it has actually brought some much needed urban renewal to the ville. Some park like features have been constructed along with some newer buildings. There are still a number of vacant lots where nothing has been built yet, but I’m sure additional buildings will be constructed in due time.
Vacant lots left over from the subway construction
The ville is boxed on its eastern side by Highway 3 while on its western side is the Highway 3 bypass and to it’s north is Camp Mobile. The south of the ville is the Korean portion of Dongducheon known as the 2nd Market area.
Ville area highlighted in red
Shopping in the Ville
The shopping in the ville is really outstanding. You can buy a great hand made suit for about a $100. The tailors can make any suit that you have a picture of. I currently own three suits made in the TDC ville and I have never had any problem with them. You can also have leather jackets made. My leather jacket has lasted seven years so far with no defects. In the ville you can have unit coins, plaques, and other memorabilia made for the half the price it would cost you in the states. I actually had a buddy state side who sent me money to buy some plaques for his unit and to mail them to him because it was cheaper buying plaques from Korea and shipping them then buying them at his current post.
Plenty of shopping to be found in the TDC Ville
You can also buy lots of great Korean trinkets to send to your friends and family. Plus if you like furniture, Korea sells lots of beautiful hand crafted furniture with great oriental designs on them. This is just a small sample of what is for sale in the ville. If you need something the shop owners will find it and sell it to you at a reasonable price. Just make sure you bargain with them because the shop owners will initially give you a high price. In Asian culture you are expected to haggle over prices. So don’t feel rude trying to drive a hard bargain with the local shop owners because it will save you money.
The view from the entrance into the TDC Ville
The Food
The only American fast food establishment off post is the Subway located just outside the front gate. There is actually a Kentucky Fried Chicken located in the actual Korean part of Dongducheon but it is located quite a distance from the camp. The other restaurants are local Koreans who cook up everything from hamburgers, steaks, pizza, and Korean food for hungry GIs. Also it is possible to find Filipino eating establishments as well.
The Night Life
As far as the night life is concerned the TDC ville is loaded with clubs. The majority of the clubs are really sleazy joints with the infamous “drinky girls” in them. If you don’t know what a drinky girl is, let me explain it to you. A drinky girl is usually a third country national from mostly the Philippines that you can buy a drink of usually orange juice for $20 bucks and they sit there and make conversation with you. I’m not kidding it costs $20! What is more amazing is that people keep buying them these drinks. The last time I was in Korea the girls would at least hang all over you and you could feel them up but things have changed now quite a bit.
Picture of a “juicy girl” in the TDC Ville from a Time Magazine article on human trafficking and the US military in Korea.
Plus the last time I was in Korea the prostitution was quite public and in the open. The bar owners would always hit you up to buy the girl’s time for $200-$400 and to go back to the hotel and do whatever. However, things now are much more concealed due to the recent exposure the whole prostitution scene received due to multiple exposes’ in multiple media outlets expressing their outrage at prostitution in Korea. The problem I got with this publicity is that it is implied that the US Army is allowing this prostitution to go on when it is the Koreans that are allowing it.
What really annoys me is that the drinky girls in the media are treated as victims even though most of them know what they are getting into and enjoy the attention and financial incentives of being a drinky girl. The few Russian girls that are left are in it for money and are really smart about playing soldiers and sucking as much money out of them as possible. I know many a GI that has lost his shirt to a Russian drinky girl. The Filipino drinky girls are mostly looking to get married to a GI so they can escape the poverty of their home country. I can’t say I blame them.
A street filled with sleazy bars in the TDC Ville.
However, the juicy girls that do play soldiers are extremely effective and if you go through my USFK Crime Archive you will see many cases of soldiers committing crime to feed their juicy girl habit. For some soldiers these girls are like drugs and is a leadership challenge that is unique to Korea that NCOs and officers coming to Korea should be aware of. Some of these relationships between young GIs and these girls in the bars end up becoming a marriage that from my own experiences I have seen filled with problems and with most of them failing.
Despite everything I have said about the juicy girls there are some good clubs in TDC. The website for Mojo’s Bar. has a pretty good list of the various bars in the ville as well as which ones to look out for. Some additional clubs worth checking out are located in the actual Korean part of Dongducheon commonly referred to as the 2nd Market Area. Have a KATUSA buddy bring you to one of these clubs so you can try something different out. Who knows you might like it. Plus there are also lots of coffee shops in the area that have phones on the tables where you can call other tables in the shop on. Weird, but fun believe it or not.
Be careful in the 2nd Market area though because there is an area near the bus station where Korean prostitutes display themselves in windows for potential customers that is known as the “Turkey Farm” that is off limits by the army. It is supposed to be off limits due to health reasons but I think it is more because the Koreans don’t want GIs messing with their prostitutes. Also in the 2nd Market Area there is lots of shopping you can do, but once again be careful because the infamous TA-50 Alley is also off limits to US personnel where they sell military equipment stolen by “slicky boys“.
A small park that has been built in the TDC Ville in recent years.
The Toko-ri Ville
Another ville area in Dongducheon is the village of Toko-ri right outside the back gate of Camp Hovey:
Toko-ri as viewed from Google Earth.
Toko-ri a few years ago used to be one dirty, sleazy, and crazy place. If you have ever watched the first Stars Wars movie and remember the bar with the space aliens in it, in the city of Mos Eisley, that is what Toko-ri was like.
Obi-wan Kenobi once described Mos Eisley as a “wretched hive of scum and villainy”, Toko-ri wasn’t much different. However, instead of horned, green, or beady eyed aliens, Toko-ri had Filipino and Russian juicy girls covered in chocolate and wax, a retarded barmaid, strippers that used to hold what was known as the P***y Olympics led by a Korean woman known as the Dragon Lady who did anatomy defying things with cigars and beer bottles, and to top it off there was even a midget. Before I had even ever stepped foot in Korea I had heard about the Midget of Toko-ri from old crusty NCOs about how they used to “stick to the midget” especially on New Years; that is how well known she is in the US military. After seeing the midget for myself I can’t imagine why anyone would want to “stick it to the midget”, but hey to each their own.
Anyway I have heard that Toko-ri has really died down and is not the wild place it used to be. I wasn’t able to confirm this myself on my last trip to Korea since my wife probably wouldn’t like the idea of me trying to confirm the status of the P***y Olympics, chocolate covered juicies, and the Midget of Toko-ri. So if anyone reading this knows the current status of Toko-ri feel free to offer you two cents in the comments section.
Overall - As you can see, the options in the TDC Ville are quite numerous. Great shopping, adequate eating establishments, and a very lively night club scene is enough to keep any GI stationed at Camp Casey occupied. It should be enough to do to get you through a year in 2ID. However, just don’t lose your shirt in the ville. Remember drinky doesn’t love you, she loves your wallet. Keep that attitude and you will be alright.
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1:22 pm on August 14th, 2007 1
When I got to Korea there was still a midget in Tokori in 04. She up and disappeared though in 05, probably cause of the deployment of 2BCT. By the time I was doing CP duty in Tokori in 07 that ville was dead. There were only 5 clubs I think that were still open and there was no chocolate or anything else on them. There were no large crowds of soldiers left either. It became the same old story as the Stanley ville. There would be more CP’s and MP’s in the ville then soldiers. Casey ville is still packed on the weekends though with the drunk GI’s roaming the streets. Made for some interesting nights.
1:59 pm on August 14th, 2007 2
So how is the Stanley ville? Still there? I spent a bit of time at the Mustang club in 2002. Kind a miss it sometimes.
5:53 pm on August 14th, 2007 3
A trivia question who at one time owned what is now Mojo’s also owned the Black Rose?.
6:29 pm on August 14th, 2007 4
CPT West,
It sounds like what I heard about Toko-ri is true, thanks for confirming it. I was in the TDC Ville in the late afternoon on a weekend this summer and it was already filled with plenty of people so I’m sure it gets pretty packed at night still.
Dan,
I stopped by Stanley Ville and it is still dead with more CPs walking around than soldiers. I didn’t stop by the Mustang Club though.
Bones,
I don’t know the answer to that one.
8:31 pm on August 14th, 2007 5
Bones - That’s easy, Big Bobby, who is out of the club business. He is focusing on other ventures now.
10:34 pm on August 14th, 2007 6
Yeah Stanleyville is also dead. When they moved Fires and Aviation BDE out it went from 2500 soldiers to around 800 now at Stanley. I used to hang out at the Papasan which was like the 1/38 O club but then got taken over by 602nd ASB. Mustang club still draws a pretty large crowd on the weekend however.
11:16 pm on August 14th, 2007 7
GI,
As always, you write well both in content and in form…
…but, there is one point I have to disagree with.
“The problem I got with this publicity is that it is implied that the US Army is allowing this prostitution to go on when it is the Koreans that are allowing it.”
Koreans may be running it but the US Army (and US Air Force) ARE allowing this prostitution to continue.
There is prostitution at the glass houses and USFK has put these places off-limits. This shows they CAN stop GIs from going to businesses engaged in prostitution.
On the other hand, Ville clubs also have reasonably-open prostitution which is no secret to anyone. It is ONLY for GIs… as Koreans are not allowed in these clubs. Strangely, most of these clubs are not placed off-limits… and, when they are, they are back on-limits in a month… without even the formality of a name or owner change.
It’s just a warning, and a month-of-income “fine”, to not generate the publicity which might upset the Gravy Train for everyone involved.
11:23 pm on August 14th, 2007 8
Actually KTF clubs are allowed to have koreans and TCN’s in them now. This changed over a year ago.
11:24 pm on August 14th, 2007 9
If real action was taken by a USFK that WOULDN’T allow prostitution and human trafficking to be supported by their servicemembers, these establishments would go out of business or change their business model.
So, yes… prostitution is being allowed instead of easily stopped.
I’m curious how anyone can deny this?
For the most part, it’s hard to see a real problem with voluntary prostitution… when it is a freely-made agreement between a buyer and a willing seller…
…but that’s not the way it works in the clubs these days, is it?
11:27 pm on August 14th, 2007 10
If the girl refuses a barfine, she is charged the amount of the barfine to the rest of her manufactured debt (airplane ticket, agents’ fees, monthly rent, etc,etc,etc). She may not get beat with a shoe any longer… but, as this is more than her whole family back in the PI makes in a month or so, she is not exactly in a position to refuse.
Human trafficking and sexual exploitation supported by an intriguing double standard in USFK policy? You be the judge.
7:31 am on August 15th, 2007 11
I have long discussed what to do about prostitution on this blog:
http://rokdrop.com/2004/10/06/what-to-do-about-human-trafficking/
http://rokdrop.com/2005/07/04/sad-but-true/
USFK is not responsible for enforcing Korean law, Koreans are responsible for enforcing Korean law and prostitution is technically illegal in Korea though it is hardly enforced. So if anyone is to be blamed for human trafficking and prostitution it is the Korean government.
With that said I have argued before that the move to Camp Humphreys is a great opportunity to change the business model in the ville by either not allowing underage drinkers in clubs that serve alcohol or not allow them in the ville at all past 2100. Then clubs with TCN drinky girls should be off limits as well which would end all concerns about human trafficking. This would force Korean girls to take their place who are harder to get to work in the clubs and more expensive. Doing this would greatly change the business model in the ville.
I also think the idea of letting underage drinkers drink on post should also be explored. This would reduce the amount of underage drinking UCMJ and throw the younger soldiers a bone after being banned from drinking in the ville. I would rather have these guys drinking legally on post than drinking illegally off post and getting in trouble.
I have a ton of other ideas but the move to Humphreys is the time to change the ville culture in Korea.
9:46 am on August 15th, 2007 12
More trivia…
1) What club in the Tokori ville burned down in 1988?
2) What club in the Tokori ville used to sponsor the lotto-lay, where the grand prize was a free overnight?
3) What happened in the Tokori ville in 1987 that caused a mini riot outside the Camp Hovey gate?
10:54 am on August 15th, 2007 13
The answer to number two was the Ace Club I believe.
12:58 pm on August 15th, 2007 14
Right on, GI…
These are all good ideas.
All of my post(s) didn’t come through… but the basic point was that USFK is not responsible for enforcing Korean law but they ARE responsible for insuring GIs follow Korean law and the UCMJ.
While glass houses are actively off-limits, clubs engaged in prostitution are not… or only for one month if they bring too much attention to it. This contrasts off-limits for curfew violation which is forever.
The question is… why?
J!
2:22 pm on August 15th, 2007 15
It is a good question. When I was at Stanley, we had the Las Vegas club which was put off limits 3 times while I was there. It was no secret what went on at that club. And the worst part was that when they were off-limits they would cater to TCN’s until they were taken off the black list. Soldiers would go back and within 3 months they would be busted again.
Amusing anecdote. One night I was OD and out patrolling in the ville when we noticed two soldiers going upstairs in the Vegas club. We went up there to get them and they decided to climb the roof. For anyone that was in the Stanley ville before, you know that you can literally run rooftop to rooftop and make it back inside Stanley. We never did find out who the soldiers were.
5:46 pm on August 15th, 2007 16
Leon your correct guess what he is in Pusan doin the same thang. what do you know about the Groove club do you know about the big Korean/American woman who is J and Spo G
12:17 am on August 16th, 2007 17
I just had a thought,(always a scary thing), anyway this is about the ville at Camp Humphreys. There was a story back in the 80’s that the ville was not always at the present location. The past location was near the present PX. There was a terrible crime and two GI’s were killed in response. The ville gate was closed and business migrated to the present location. Since I heard this in 88, it may have been an event in the 70s. A wondering mind grows no moss.
8:40 am on August 16th, 2007 18
Rob,
I think you have everyone stumped on questions 1 and 3. I’m curious to the answers.
Dan,
I have never heard that story before and I would have to say it must have happened in the 70’s because a lot of the old crusty NCOs I know have told me plenty of stories about the 80’s and never mentioned anything about this incident. I hope someone reading this can verify it or not.
Chickenhead,
The ville system is set up to act as a babysitter for soldiers. If to many clubs are put off limits than the soldiers go elsewhere and get in trouble. Just looking at the GI incidents that makes the papers they almost always happen outside the ville.
Also the club owners have threatened before to ally with anti-US groups if villes are hit hard with the loss of business due to increased curfews or to many areas put off limits. Also the club owners could start also start having GI incidents that happen in the ville start making the papers.
USFK knows that it cannot stop all prostitution but they are making efforts to reduce it while at the same time playing a balancing act with not getting the club owners to pissed off and preserving the babysitting aspect of the ville. These reasons cause the off limits and back on limits game to continue.
The reconsolidation of US forces to Osan and Camp Humphreys hubs is the perfect time to start implementing a new strategy to change the ville culture. Such a strategy cannot be implemented now because with US forces leaving from Area 1 there is no long term incentive for the club owners to change anything thus the status quo will remain.
It would not be wise to directly take on the club owners with my proposed changes until 2ID is moved out of Area 1 and I think USFK will have no choice but to change the ville culture if the plans to allow everyone to bring their families with them to Korea is implemented.
11:58 am on August 16th, 2007 19
“The ville system is set up to act as a babysitter for soldiers. If to many clubs are put off limits than the soldiers go elsewhere and get in trouble.”
Hear, hear! Somehow, though, USFK managed to take all the fun away from the Ville with constant patrols worried about people drinking too much… meaning they have pushed soldiers elsewhere WITHOUT stopping GI supported prostitution and human trafficking… the worst of both worlds, if you will.
“Also the club owners have threatened before to ally with anti-US groups if villes are hit hard with the loss of business due to increased curfews or to many areas put off limits.”
This is the biggest cop-out/BS excuse ever made by the “leadership” who seems to like things to continue the way they are. Colonel Taliento demonstrated you CAN stop prostitution and human trafficking. The clubs put up a few offensive signs and made a few empty threats… but, in the end, they got on the program.
“Also the club owners could start also start having GI incidents that happen in the ville start making the papers.”
Another excuse. As long as enough business is coming their way to make rent (for the majority of clubs), they will shut up and collect the easy money.
“USFK knows that it cannot stop all prostitution but they are making efforts to reduce it”
I disagree. I think they are making efforts to protect it… especially at Osan. Colonel Taliento didn’t make an effort to reduce it, he made an effort to stop it… and he did. It CAN be done.
“while at the same time playing a balancing act with not getting the club owners to pissed off”
Through honest off-limits policy, the base is holding all the cards. Pissed-off club owners aren’t going to make rent. They will play ball.
“and preserving the babysitting aspect of the ville.”
Between curfew, drinking restrictions and punishment for grabass like low-level fighting, everybody is already leaving the ville… especially those who SHOULD stay in a babysitting environment. Once again, the worst of both worlds.
Anyway, no matter what excuses are given, Colonel Taliento proved USFK can keep the barowners in line with American values and policy… because if anyone wants to suggest to me that club owners are equal in power to the American military, I’ll have to laugh at them.
J!
1:58 pm on August 16th, 2007 20
Chickenhead..nice to se you again..lol(peace on this board ok dude..lol)
I have always stated over the number of years..that Town Patrol is basically supporting the activity of Human Trafficking..now i know this post is on prostitution..but is there a difference?? In terms of the Korean scene??? As a former town Patrol individual (A-town 00-01, 04-05), we knew of the shit that had been going down in our “ville”, with Korean Nationals barfining women…in 2004..the no more barfines went into effect..we were cracking down on USFK members, but yet, we knew good and well that Koreans were coming to the ville and barfining these girls…not only is this prostitution, but its human trafficking as well. The girls were forced to sleep with Koreans for a price.
why is it, that the Armed Forces is so against human trafficking/prostitution, but yet they dont do anything about it,,,other than enforce laws on USFK members??? I believe the no barfine rule was put in place to be political correct…to show the world…the military does not engage into prostitution, as so many folks have the image of…taken from Vietnam and the old Clark AB days. If only the world really knew what goes down in the behind scenes world of the Korean Clubs and the Human Trafficking of girls from the Philippines.
8:16 am on August 17th, 2007 21
Dan: I had the dubious honor of being stationed at the Hump in 77-78. The story you heard was essentially true. At the time I arrived, the ville had been relocated to its present location, but you could still see the old bars/hootches/store fronts just outside the fence where the PX is located now. To add more to this story (though I can’t verify, and parts could be wrong), what precipitated the old ville closing was indeed 2 GIs who apparently raped a Korean girl . . . a little girl is the way I heard it. Now, the incident supposedly actually happened or the girl lived (not sure which)outside the BACK gate of the Hump. When I was there, we had to go out that back gate every now and then to provide services to some Signal guys that were stationed on a Microwave site called Fayetteville, which could only be accessed thru that gate and thru the little town outside that gate. The gate was locked at all times and we had to have MP escort thru the town when we traveled to the site. In that little town, there was/is a little Church with a little steeple. What I heard from MPs at the time was that the locals managed to get hold of one of the GIs and made him a weather vane on top of that steeple. That supposedly started the movement of the ville to current location. I would guesstimate that about 65-75% of what I’ve related might be true. If memory serves me right, it happened in the 74-76 timeframe.
8:16 am on August 17th, 2007 22
I was stationed at the hump in 78 and I thought it was one of the wildest most insane places I had ever been to.I visited TDC in 80 and that place was even worse but I only visited for a couple of days.The grunts were out of control and you really had to watch yourself.Between 78 & 79 I remember two clubs being burned to the ground,one of them during the Christmas holidays by a drunk GI who decided to see if the decorations would burn.If memory serves me two or three people got killed in the fire.To us GIs the ville was playland,where you could get away with almost anything.Fighting was an every night occurence and you always kept your eyes open cause beer bottles would start flying.You went to the ville with your buddies for safety because the MPs couldn’t keep the peace.Back then all the girls were Korean and the almighty dollar ruled.If you had the money you could get almost anything you wanted.
1:14 pm on August 17th, 2007 23
MotorPool, Thanks for the info. That is much the same as what I heard. But instead of the weather vane, I heard it was body part relocation for both of them. Thanks for the time line. I don’t think there is much info on this out there.
Got any pictures of Anjun-ri from your time there. If so, I would love to see them. Thanks.
1:54 pm on August 17th, 2007 24
NP, Dan. I do have some pix from my time there, but unfortunately, they are in storage in the states. In keeping with the wild and wooly times back then, the pictures I took couldn’t be shared anyway, if you catch my drift. XMAS 77. What WAS her name . . . “Pillows”? Ah yes. lol
There is 1 korean website that references the incident I saw several years ago, but I can’t remember which one, http://www.badGI.ccom or something. I do remember an old faded CID bolo when I visited the post office at the time asking for info from anybody who knew who lynched the GI.
11:38 pm on August 17th, 2007 25
Drift understood Motorpool. I have a few from the 80’s myself. I’m sure yours would top what I thought at the time was wild and wooly. Still, some of the best times I had — outside of the PI that is.
4:53 pm on August 18th, 2007 26
GI, you are correct. It was the Ace Club. Some of the finest Korean girls to ever walk the peninsula used to work in there.
The answer to question number one is the Olympus Club. It used to be right across the street from the Grand Illusion.
The answer to question number 3 is two soldiers in Bravo Company 702′d crashed into the taxi stand with their 5-ton wrecker at the bottom of the hill (coming into to Tokori) and killed seven (I think) Koreans. The brakes on their 5-ton went out and they couldn’t stop.
11:00 am on August 19th, 2007 27
Rob,
Imagine if an accident like that happened today. The anti-US groups would have a field day with it. Were they trying to take the wrecker through the Toko-ri gate of Camp Hovey? It is hard to drive a HMMWV through that ville much less a wrecker.
Do you remember about 10 years ago when a soldier took an M-88 and smashed it into a club in the Toko-ri ville to get back at his drinky girl girlfriend?
9:44 pm on August 20th, 2007 28
Oh man! I can’t imagine what an accident like that would get twisted into by the anti-US groups these days. And yes, their plan was to enter the Tokori gate of Camp Hovey, which was not uncommon back then.
No, I don’t remember the M-88 incident because I was in the states at that time, but lol. wtf? What club was it?
Tokori was nice back in the late 80’s, and a hell of a lot of fun. We worked hard and played hard, and there was no such thing as a curfew. Better days have passed us by I’m afraid…
10:32 pm on August 20th, 2007 29
M-Club?
10:49 pm on August 20th, 2007 30
I wasn’t there either but I have heard from multiple reliable people about a mechanic that got pissed at his drinky girl for cheating on him and used an M-88 to smash through the front of the M-Club as Mark stated. No one was killed but the front of the club was trashed.
5:43 pm on August 22nd, 2007 31
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1:52 am on August 23rd, 2007 32
Does anyone know if the russian juicy girls have returned to TDC?? I keep hearing that from people.
11:03 pm on August 30th, 2007 33
4:03 am on October 6th, 2007 34
i was in 302nd FSB at casey 94-95, used to go to the “blue acid” and the “rock and roll together” clubs. while i was there, the girls were all korean, and the place was WILD, we went over to toko-ri and i met the midget, but wasnt interested. juicy girls were $20.00 then. but you could get a “long time” for $60.00….so… i never bought much juice. i agree that the girls ( most of them ) knew exactally what they were doing, and were good at “milking” GI’s.
7:04 pm on October 13th, 2007 35
I Just came from there like 3 months ago.so the midget is true???I thought it was a myth like vampires?yea all the girls in TDC are filipinos.I heard there is mongalian girls in the ville now?I think in WOW club.The ville is so dirty and it smells.The Korean be taking my Newports all the time.On another subject why when an american soldier is killed by a korean the korean ppl never hear about it?what happened to Van Her he was hit by a Taxi driver and died at the scene.thats not the worst part.The Taxi driver kept going because he had a passager to drop off.so he got his money then went back to the scene of the crime.Van Her’s body wasn’t really able to be identified just by looking at it.The Taxi driver got his license taken away and 2 years in prison.If if was the other way around.The Koreans would want money and protest for years.The best place to go is in paju city.I remember paju its away from all american.it looks like dongducheon but no americans.There is still juicy girls.oh and there is russians there too.never take home a juicy to mama.you can’t make a ho into a housewife, so makes you think you can do it with a Juicy?
8:32 pm on October 13th, 2007 36
Mexico GI,
I have covered what happened to SPC Vang Her here on the ROK Drop:
http://rokdrop.com/2007/05/08/naked-usfk-soldier-killed-by-taxi-cab/
The cab driver dropping off his passenger and then returning would explain the delay in reporting the accident.
Where did you hear the cab driver was sentenced for two years and his licensed taken away? I have seen nothing in the Stars and Stripes or the Korean media about it.
Oh yeah the midget is very real. The first time I saw her years ago she started hanging on me and I thought I was going to catch a disease from her just touching me from the stories I have heard about her. Now I really wish I would have taken a picture of her for posterities sake.
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12:16 pm on January 31st, 2008 39
Was at Camp Castle(outside of casey) in 1984-85. The place was wild as hell then. The officers used to sit inthe bars and by hookers beside the enlisted. If i remember right, an american general was pulled from a car in Seoul and stoned to death. Wild times back then.
4:12 am on February 11th, 2008 40
I was with F co. 702nd Maint. Bn from Aug 1978 to Aug 1979. Back then it was compleatly different than today. As an 18 year old Pvt from Michigan it was at first a major culture shock to me. But I caught on ASAP.I spent my first day at the Turtle Farm at Camp Casey. Then I was off to my Unit. I remember we had a dirt motor pool and old shops. Once a month on Payday at the end of the day our Company commander would release us from formation to the NCO club across the street. The drinks were on him. Needless to say we busted our asses for the guy.
We had ration cards back then for everything from beer, liquor, coffie, etc. A GI could supplement his income by selling his rations in the Ville on the black market. When I was there the Commander of the 2nd Military Police was busted for selling appliances for the PX on the black market.
We had to have a pass to get off post to the ville. You had to put in for it a week in advance. There was a 2400 hrs curfew back then the only people on the streets after midnight were MP’s and KNP’s and the occassional drunk GI. Me and three of my buddies got caught by two MP’s after curfew one night while trying to make it back to my hooch at the base of Namsan Mountain. Before we made it to the bridge we were caught in on the strip behind the Oasis Club. There was 4 of us and only two of them. We disarmed them and whooped there ass then took off down the ally along the river across from 2nd Aviation all the way to gate 2. We climbed the fence and made it to our barracks. We never got caught for that.
Back then I used to hang out a Johnnys 777 Club. It was a small place
But it had some of the hottest Korean girls. Thats right not Philippino. Genuine Korean Beauties. It was $5 for a short time and $10 for an overnight. Everyone from Top Brass to the lowly Private
were getting in on the action. You could get an overnight pass back then. The only time I had 2 girls at once was in the ville. I was in heaven. All night for $20 and they cooked me breakfast in the morning.
In December 1978 I meet my soon to be wife Chong Soon. She was the bartender at the Oasis Club. We tied the knot on March 27, 1979. This March we will celebrate our 29th anniversary. I sewed my oats in TDC. It is where I became a man. Can’t believe thay have a subway there now. Dosn’t sound like a place were a GI would want to be now. No way to blow off steam. Anyway I have many more stories about the ville in TDC back in the day. ~ Sgt Rock
4:12 pm on February 12th, 2008 41
You best watch them sliky boys! You know the story of the slicky boy stealing your jam box and leaving the music…..it’s true.
8:50 am on February 16th, 2008 42
The year was 1989 I was 17 when I got off the bus in turtal village. All the old timers where hi fiven when we hit the ground. short time $10 long time $20 OB .50 bud was a buck. chicken on a stick (lol) was 4 for a dollar.
Papason cleaning the hut doing your BDUs and boots $5.00 a week. Your rashon card was gold.
I had the time of my life there. It makes me sad to here that TDC is no longer (DOWN RANGE) and the (DMZ) is no longer the dark man zone.
89&90 GIs rulled that town. The only thing other than VD that you had to worry about was losing your shoes out side the door.
It’s to bad the young men today will never the the fun us old timers had back then.
1:15 pm on February 18th, 2008 43
When you can’t get downrange to do your business because your in the field during Team Spirt. The Ville will come to you.
Back during Team Spirt 1978 are unit was taking part in the exercise along with most of the 2nd ID. It was cutting into mamasans profits. So she brought girls and booze to us so we wouldn’t be lonely.
I was on guard duty in a foxhole when mamasan approaches my position. I told her to halt but she wouldn’t listen.She walks up and asks me if I need a nice girl. I look around and I see only the next position and its my bud so I asked her if she had any soju? She said I get for you. Im thinking this is freakin crazy. If I get caught Im deep in shit. After a few she comes back with a girl and a bottle of soju. So Im in this foxhole drinkin my soju while this girl is taking care of me when I here someone whistle. It was my bud and he was to late warning me because as I look up I see my Platoon Sgt lookin down at me.
At this point I figure Iv’e had it. Then he says to me “I want her when your finished and pour that soju in your canteen before you get us busted”.
I swear on my mothers grave this story is true. I was an 18 years old Pvt and my Plt Sgt was a seasoned Vietnam vet. Im suprised he let me finish before he got himself some. ~ Sgt Rock
11:33 pm on February 18th, 2008 44
it didnt change much between your time and my time sgt. rock, i was in 302nd forward support, we were in the field ALOT, odjima would trade us a HOT bowl of chicken ramen ( IN THE FIELD!) and a bottle off soju for 2 MRE’s. this was 1994-95, my buddy gerry brooke and i would STAY on guard duty, when relief came, we’ed say “we got it” … we would stay up all night eating packets of mre coffee chased with soju, we called it the “tasters choice kettle” then crash out all day under a humvee, or some other vehicle. we were mechanics, “we’re tryin to get this starter out” hehe.
3:00 am on March 4th, 2008 45
Hey guys,wow a sight that talks about the ville.
every word that sgt rock said was true.H e left
out a few tidbitts though, like you could also
rent a girl by the month,thats right,it was
called having a yobo,wich is the korean word for
mate.however,If you had a girl from ANY club
other than the lions den(aka starze)the eagles
club (aka the head club) or the dark side of
the moon club,if you were in the field,mamasan
would have her working the club while you were
in the field.I seen it happen many times.I
remember once a new guy asked me to visit his
hooch at the lucky club and meet the love of his
young life.well i went and when we got there
there was another pair of shoes.He flings open
the hooch door and there they were going at it
3 ft from my face.He jumps on top of the guy with
a wash basin in his hand,hitting the dude in the
head with it while the guys nailing his woman.
I pulled him off and took him downstairs for a
drink and told him “I told you so” of course
she came down and sweet talked him right back
upstairs.I saw this a million times.Sgt Rock
We shared the same motor pool at the same time if
you were in the 702 motor pool by gate 2,I was in
the scout plt csc 2nd bn 72nd armor from 78-80.
I extended while there.went back to b.co.1st bn
38th inf at camp hovey from june 82 to july 83
I took in country leave as my daughter was born
there,yep I got married there,she was awesome we
also had a son.she died of a cereberal hemorage
some years back and is buried in korea with her
mom.another thing the hookers went to the field
with mamasan too.Now my friend married his yobo
out of the johnny bar 28yrs ago,I was best man
girls,korean girls got trapped into it by there
own people,sounds like there doing it again with
fillipenas,I remember me and some friends tried
to get a girl 14 yrs old out from under these
scumbags,we went to the s-5 right across the
tracks,neither the knp’s or mp’s would do squat
in fact we almost got into it with the knp’s
every govt official was making money off them
girls.as for the bars I mentioned before,they
were hard rock bars and didnt allow hookers in
the girls that worked there did just that
they worked there.If they liked you,they might
go home with you just like back here.I also
served in the jsf in 84-85 and was in the last
firefight between the us and nkpa when a czech
defector ran into south korea during a tour,one
rok was kia and a guy named burgoyne was shot
through the jaw.several nkpa’s were killed
even though they broke out th ak’s and at first
we only had side arms wich they were only
supposed to have.qrf showed up and we realy tore
into them,I saw 3 dead nkpa’s for sure,but when
the cease fire was given,they dragged off about
a dozen others,I later heard 8 kia’s but cant
be sure,I had left 1st ranger bat and we had
gone to grenada and I was looking forward to
peace and quiet,but that day in nov of 84 was
anything but.however we did hear one of those
killed was the man who led the axe murders 8 yrs
before.PAYBACK. Anyway I gotta say in all my
tours there,I never heard of the midget of
toko-ri,I did hear of the amazon and went to
toko-ri to see her,and,it was true.though I
rarely went into toko-ri.Even on my last tour
where I was training nco at sf-det k in yongsan
I would still go to tdc,so you guys there now,
let me tell you,I grew up outside deadwood south
dakota a famouse wild west town and always
wonderd what it was like then,TDC,in fact,most of
korea in the 70’s and 80’s filled me in on what
it was like.But I loved it and might go back
some day.I served with 1st rangers in grenada and
panama and 3rd in somalia and am proud of that
service.But guys like sgt rock myself my buddy
mike and thousands of others helped to make the
rok what it is today,when I say this I do not want
to diminish anyones service who’s serving today.
but thats why we vets of korea from july 53 to
is it 1990?earned the new medal for fighting in
the unknown but now recognized DMZ WAR,for decades
after and during vietnam befor grenada,panama and
somalia wich were spec ops operations,before iraq
there was korea,the most rewarding time of my
military career,saw some of the craziest,funniest
things.some bad stuff too.But was glad to have
served there on freedoms frontier.
5:27 am on March 4th, 2008 46
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6:44 am on March 24th, 2008 47
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11:35 am on March 28th, 2008 48
“It was the Ace Club. Some of the finest Korean girls to ever walk the peninsula used to work in there.”
Brother I can witness to that!!
2:26 am on March 30th, 2008 49
I was a soldier from 91-92 and 94-97. Was stationed at Casey and Yongsan during that time but worked in one form or another at Casey, Castle, Nimble, Pelham, Stanley, CRC, Yongsan, Market, Humphries, FED, Stanton, and Howze. I worked as a civiliam from 98-2007 on and off as an english teacher and more recently as a civilian at Walker, Henry and Carroll. I was TDY constantly at my last job from 2004-2007 going to Casey, Sears, Stanley, CRC, Yongsan, Osan, and Humphries. I think the only base I never got to during that time that was open was Hialeah for some reason. I have visited just about every base or have worked in some form at every base except Hialeah during that time to include the base at Cheju-do, which I believe has been closed also. A lot of changes during the times for sure and a lot of bases closed that hold a lot of history and memories for a lot of Americans.
10:22 am on April 1st, 2008 50
1:21 pm on April 7th, 2008 51
I was at Camp Garry Owen from 88-92, and Camp Casey from 96-97.
Holy mother of God, that first 4 years was nothing but drunken debauchery. Yes, I stayed there 4 years. It was that good. Who cared if you were far away from home, the duty was good, but the partying was better.
Our little ville was much smaller than TDC, but it was unbelievable. There were over 20 clubs, all of them whorehouses, the smallest had 2 girls, the largest had over 200. 5 dollars for a short time, 10 dollars for an overnight and they were all Korean women and girls in the clubs.
The Happy Club had girls that all dyed their hair blonde. There was one girl with such an ugly face we called her “Monkey Woman”. As ugly as she was, she was one of the most popular girls in the ville for her ability to deepthroat.
The Nabi Club is the one that had over 200 girls working there. It was a candy store.
Things changed in 1991. That was the year that the korean government finally passed laws against kidnapping, slavery, and indentured servitude.
Up until then, many of the women that worked in those clubs were literally kidnapped off the street, beaten and forced to sign contracts to work as prostitutes.
As soon as the laws were passed, the girls emptied out of the clubs.
One week, most were just gone. The only ones left were the pros.
It took a while for the club owners to bring in replacements, but it was pretty much the demarcation between the “Old Days” and now.
As far as USFK not doing anything about the prostitution, things have really changed. Back then, you would just as likely to be swinging from the rafters of a club with a battalion commander while trying to drink him under the table. Units would march in formation through the ville on thunder runs, just swarm a bar, drink a beer, then form up and march to the next.
You really can’t point to one event, or bad incident that changed things, it evolved over time.
I could probably write a book about that 4 years.
1:25 pm on April 7th, 2008 52
Oh, one more thing, the midget was still in Toku-Ri in 96.
I did her. It was worth the 40 bucks.
4:52 am on April 15th, 2008 53
I spent plenty of time in the ville. It has its appeals. We usually went to the metal bars, like JC Lounge, Head Club, etc. It got a little old, however.
For the more adventurous type, you gotta check out second market. There are lots of bars and restaurants downtown TDC. One notable bar is Boozers, which has a lot of different international beers. There were about five different Karaoke bars (Noraybang in Korean) downtown too. You get your own room here, and can be fairly rowdy at your own discretion. They have a huge selection of karaoke music, and are real cheap. Unfortunately, a lot of Koreans are racist, and some of them wouldn’t let us in when we brought our black friends. Emberrasing and disgusting
.
Note: The Karaoke bars on or around the bus station are red lighted. Do not go there, as the repricussions are severe.
There is also the part of town called New City (Jee Heng in Korean). If you ever get tired of the army crowd, go here right away. This is located at the end of the road to Toko-Ri from MSR 3. This is a very nice part of town and has more restaurants and bars than any part of TDC. There is a German restaurant here, a Pizza Hut, a Dominoes, a Japanese steakhouse, Sushi bars, and a Baskin Robins. There is also a landmark bar here called “Captain Hamel’s,” which is clearly visible from MSR 3. There is also a bar called “The Beer Hunter,” which serves spiked beer, if you want to get drunk fast :).
The road from Jee Heng to Toko-Ri also has a lot of smaller restaurants and bars. There is also a Jim Jil Bang here, which is a gym/pool/community center, which is a great place to interact with the local Korean population.
I left just before the new subway station was completed, but most of this should still be here. You’d be a fool not to check it out at least once.
2:07 am on April 21st, 2008 54
First off, the ville is for losers. How about Gangnam, Agpugeoung, Seongsu, Sinchon, and Hongdae. The ville is .05% of Korea; Korea’s Asshole. Do your work week then put a pass for the weekend and enjoy REAL Nightlife. Then again the ville is for the desparate and “never had ass before” guys, “suckers”, and no game havin LOSERS. So I can see why most choose the easy access. These guys are what I call non-tree climbers. The best fruit are at the top of trees, but you rather pick the woman on the ground that are easy for everyone. I came to Korea to interact with Koreans, not filipinas, russians, and sleazy korean whores.
3:56 pm on May 25th, 2008 55
Hmm I was there in 03 to 05 and I dont remember the midget being back she retired just before I got there right after the Expose. IF you saw her CPT West I am guessing she came back temporarily and did some sort of a juicy girl reunion tour kinda like AC/DC but older and more beat the hell up.
3:57 pm on May 25th, 2008 56
Oh and I agree completely with SSG MERC. He is absolutely right but don’t follow his advice. Please stay in the ville and leave the quality ass to us. We can handle it
12:11 am on May 30th, 2008 57
Does anyone have an idea on where I can go to chat or post with the club girls outside the back gate at CP Stanley? Any web sites? Or at the very least recent photo’s of the clubs & the ville
. I was there for 2 years & was in those rooms behind the bars all night 7 days a week back in 1995-1997 & would like to see how the old ville is.
Thanks!
6:49 am on May 30th, 2008 58
As far as chat rooms with the club girls I have no idea but you can see video of Stanleyville today by clicking here.
9:12 am on May 30th, 2008 59
Yon ju gol Lord have mercy, some the comical shit that went on there.
I was there from 86 to 87 the only club that had that many
girls was the New Seoul Club, next was the one across the street, I think it was the US America Club. Your right about the Happy Club those were some of wildest girls in the ville….some of the girls in the other club were envious of them. The Happy girls must have went back to blond, when I was there they went to their natural color (some GI brought his wife in there who was a natural blond). Loved it when the girls would have their cat fights.
7:10 am on June 5th, 2008 60
SSG Merc, i totally agree.
Apgujeong and Sinchon absolutely rock. Every four day weekend we were down in Sinchon. I like it way better than Hongdae, and seriously its Seoul’s best kept secret.
But for weekdays, the ville, second market, and jee heng do just fine.
12:14 pm on June 5th, 2008 61
Yeah Sinchon is great because it is cheap and you can meet the poor college students who just wanna get drunk and have fun.
12:16 pm on June 5th, 2008 62
“Sinchon. I like it way better than Hongdae, and seriously its Seoul’s best kept secret.”
That made me laugh.
9:39 am on June 10th, 2008 63
I had 4 tours in Korea. 60-61, 69-70, 78-79, 81-82. The 60-61 tour was at Casey, and was PRIOR to the SOFA. TDC was 95% thatched roof houses that were framed with regular wood, but the walls were branchs with a mixture of about 80% mud, and 20% cement. You could put your fist through them, but the branchs would tear you up pulling it back out. Every weekend you would see a black cloud rising up from the village from someone getting into it with one of the girls, and torching her houch.
We had to wear uniforms off post on my 1st 2 tours, and I remember one night taking a short cut accross some paddys to try to make it back for bed check. Well after several hours of drinking, I didn’t do very good on the paddys, and fall in at the corner of one. Well, wouldn’t you know it, I fell into one of the pits that they dumped the honey buckets into. When I got to the MP shack at Gate 1, they started to stop me for being after curfew, but could smell me coming, and told me to just keep going. My unit was in Happy Valley, now called Dragon Valley. I was stopped by a MP jeep while walking to the valley, but for some reason, they did not give me a ride. When I got to my quonset hut, I had to go to the central latreen, and take a shower and run to my hut in my drawers. I asked the house boy pic up my cloths in the morning.
Looking back, if the Army knew how much fun I had, they would take my Retirement Pay back.
2:17 am on June 13th, 2008 64
Motorpool:
Hey, I was at the Hump 78-79 also. I was in Hq Company Garrison. I was in charge of the TMP Motor Pool there. What a job. What unit were you in? That was the closest to being a cilivian while in the Army I could ask for.
11:03 am on July 5th, 2008 65
I love your comparison of Toko-ri to that village in Star Wars! What a perfect description. I was stationed in Seoul in 2001-2002 and dating a guy at CP Hovey. I could not BELIEVE the mass exodus on Friday night to TOkori. Soldiers were literally walking in packs out of the gate. I was one of the few females in the bunch (and, unfortunately, in the juicy clubs with my bf.) I saw the infamous Dragon Lady (and later to my disgust saw her washing up with a hose in the women’s bathroom) and was even hit on by the juicy girls. I stayed close to my bf and tried not to interact much. I was shocked that such a world existed. Most of the guys in our group disappeared with various women and by the end of the night we were alone!
Oh, and my bf told me that his BN XO and other upper ranking men had their own “secret” juicy bars in TOkori that they used. His XO had extended to spend time in those places (and avoid his family back home). Some of the LTs in his unit rented apartments in Tokori to spend time with their juicy girls on the weekends. About seven LTs would chip in to pay the rent and share the apartment.
THe Hill in Itaewon was another CRAZY place. Guys used to take me by the arm “for protection from juicy girls” when we walked up that hill. I had never seen so many fights. Back in those days we had no curfew, and I didn’t expect to return home before dawn. A SPC in my unit ran one of the juicy bars on that hill and would return to our unit in the morning with sacks full of cash! I have to admit that I was a little disappointed to see how tame things. However, women should not be forced into prostitution. I believe that situation is the fault of the BAR OWNERS and KOREAN GOVERNMENT, though, not the soldiers. THe TIME magazine article was biased against soldiers!
I can only imagine what the area was like in the late nineties!
12:44 pm on July 12th, 2008 66
Hmmm…what to say about TDC that hasn’t already been covered. Toko-ri. Well the place is alot more run down now than it was when im sure most of you were. GI’s still go there, its the easiest place to pick up a juicey girl thats for sure. And also loved the reference to Star Wars too. TDC for the most part is tame. There is alot of uniformed soldiers walking the ville now. MP’s and CCP guys walk till curfew. They pick up anyone who might be having a little to much fun. Sometimes it can be a drag but I know they have saved my ass a trip to the MP station a few times. The juiceys are still there, and with Tok dieing slowly into only a few clubs they are importing the girls from Tok to TDC. Ive only been to Itaewon once and I plan to head back there. Of course not to the hill but to this place Seoul Pub. I went there on a sunday afternoon and the crowd was as diverse as it can be on the Lords day. Retired Colonels, locals, and some europeans were there so it was a good time. So yea things have changed and they havnt.
2:37 pm on July 12th, 2008 67
Motorpool, regarding your experiences at Humphrey… I was there 75-76 and indeed the story was that 2 soldiers raped a young girl. The story went on to say that the 2 were lynched, but I dont know how much credence. I used to work at the microwave site, in those days it was called “Fresno”. Other than anjung-ri, there was no permission to go to the little villages that abutted Humphrey.
4:57 pm on July 18th, 2008 68
i am currently in camp casey and the ville has died down alot from the stories i have been hearing but you can still buy a girls night off for 120 to 400 dollars for the night or three hours during their working hours but you can also tell a cab driver bum bum no MP and he will take you to glass house and it will cost you up to 300 dollars. but it is with koreans. the same goes with TOK they still have their nights off as well i am speaking from personnel experience here but they say that the ville is so small that the girls are used up so good luck getting one but if you do make sure you wrap it up
7:31 am on July 19th, 2008 69
OMG! 120 to 400 dollars! There are either very desperate GI’s or very beautiful women… I lived in Tokori from 80-81 and 82 and served with CSC 1/38 INF. There was a 2/1 ratio for GI to Girl in the clubs. However, there were girls in the ville that did not work the clubs. Sure they were there looking for a better life with an american GI but they refused to work the clubs. They kept a low profile and was kept by families who they usually owed alot of money too. I remember prostitution being legal. The girls who worked the clubs were required to carry a VD Card that showed they were up to date on their VD tests. If they were caught working the club without it then they were sent to a VD farm for 30 days or more. Tokori was no doubt a fun place to live. I rented a hooch at the intersection that let to TDC. I remember some extreme times in that ville. Monday morning you did not want to be in the back of the PT formation. The smell of SoJU coming from the breath of everyone in front was overwelming and I do mean EVERYONE!. We had a midnight curfew and had to have a pass unless you were an NCO. I seen a riot at the gate one time when an alert was sounded and every club emptied out in three minutes it was always a mad dash for the gate. This one time it was a false alarm and when everyone returned to the gate the MP’s would not open it becuase they never recieved word from Battlion to do so. A GI started to climb the fence when a Korean National in the tower lock and loaded his M1 sniper rifle on him. He continued to climb the fence when the MP at the Gate told him to get down or he would blow his whistle which would give the Korean permission to fire. The GI jumped the fence, the MP blow the whistle and that poor GI’s was back over that fence just fast enough to catch a round in the ear lobe. The rest of the GI’s waiting to get the out gate, Became furious and torn into that MP like a feeding frenzy. They climbed the sniper tower and the Korean National was never heard from again. After the gate burst open I just walked home. I found that MP’s Badge in the road the next day. I could tell stories for quite some time and never repeat the same day.
5:21 pm on July 27th, 2008 70
7:22 pm on July 27th, 2008 71
yeah i know that there are girls who go out there that dont work in the bars because i am currently datin three of them and 2 koreans at the same time talk about stress
7:21 am on August 4th, 2008 72
Jim,you and I were at the same place at the same time.
do you remember running the horn?I thought toko-ri sucked and as I has done on my first tour,78-80 (I extended)I went to tdc,the starze,dark side of the moon,
and eagles,aka head club,were my hangouts.no whores in
those joints,just great ladies and great times.I also agree with you about the money,you could get a yobo for $80 and up and a short time was never more than $10 and
overnight was $20.that was in the late 70’s and early 80’s.most,not all but most guys who had a yobo from any other clubs were sorry.some, however got married and still are to this day like my best friend mike who married his old lady out of the johnny bar and there still married today,they live in colorado,Im in maine
weve been friends 30yrs this year,I was married to a korean girl too,we had 2 beautifull kids,she died of a brain annurism in 06.I find myself looking back to those first 2 tours over there,I did 7 in all.I wonder,what ever happened to all those girls that never
got a tickett out of that place,believe me guys it aint the same there as it was in those years,what I wouldnt give to go back,not to korea,but to korea in those years
I served a few tours in panmunjiom and in seoul,I served with 1st ranger bn in grenada,panama and 3rd bn in somalia.very proud of all of it,but them 2 first tours in the rok were the best.by the way jim,I was in B co. 1/38th same time you were there, well 82-83,maybe we knew each other.would like to email and exchange pics with guys that were there.
4:23 pm on August 4th, 2008 73
hey Earl what unit u in
5:07 pm on August 4th, 2008 74
Hey Guys new to the site, couldn’t help but notice some first hand knowledge, was there a couple of times Camp Howze, Hovey and Casey. Anyone remember the parisite club at camp pellam? when I was there it was the wild wild west and everyone got buck wild (WHO YOU WITH) biggest thing was the gang’s like the Western Corrandor Posse (WCP),
Being real does anyone know how I an get a new Manchu Belt Buckle mine broke got it when I was with 1/9 IN 2ID doing the Manchu Mile?
3:52 pm on August 12th, 2008 75
Man, I just stumbled on to this and have read all the post and found it to bring back some fond memories. I was with B Co. 44th engineers Combat Heavy Camp Nimble 84′-85′ as a mechanic/recovery specilist and got to see and do many things others didn’t because the position.(lifting and loading in remote locations. (hill tops) ect. We had a remote location in Munsan as we built 4P3 fire base and one late afternoon a M54 dump truck with troop racks and troops GI’s and Katusa’s were heading back to Munsan from a day of M-16 qualifing at Casey and the driver fell asleep at the wheel and the 2nd Lt shot gun was asleep also the truck went off the road and into a turtle trap and flip doing about 3 cartwheels sending bodys every where but there were no fatilitys one katusa was pherlysed from the waist down. I still have some pic’s from when I was there .Thank you for all your input and sorry for the spelling errors.
11:35 am on September 5th, 2008 76
Although this is mostly a dead thread now, reading through it brought back some memories. My last time there was in 1970 and from the above article; I don’t think I’d even recognize it now. Kind saying this with tongue in cheek but I guess they did away with the Moose Chute at the front gate? (I know that’s not PR, but it is both a historical and a hysterical memory.) I spent two tours in Korea, a total of 32 months. 19 months at Casey. Along with the 7th ID, I taught at the Wightman NCO Academy when it was at Casey. I understand it moved and has a new name these days. Our crest was the Compass Rose on a white background, but I guess that has changed as well. Well heck, it’s only been 38 years, I can’t understand the place changing so soon.
I wouldn’t mind coming back to take a look, but that is kind of out of the question now. I’m one of them sexy senior citizens now living the good life.
Good article…thanks for posting it.
4:06 am on September 8th, 2008 77
i am in 6-37 FA
4:09 am on September 22nd, 2008 78
8:18 am on September 23rd, 2008 79
AIGHT LET ME GIVE U THE RUN DOWN OF TOKO-RI. TOKO-RI IS THE SPOT WHERE U GO TO UNDERAGE DRINK IF U UNDERAGE, OR WANT SOME JUICY p***y. I WAS A MP THERE AND GRANTED NOBODY WENT OUT TO TOKO-RI, BUT WHEN U WANTED TO GET AWAY FROM THE CRAZINESS OF TDC, U GO THERE. WHEN I WAS AT CASEY IN 07, THERE WERE ONLY TWO CPP, THAT WOULD PATROL, AND MP’S WOULD COME OUT THERE ONCE A NIGHT. SO BASICALLY U CAN DO WATEVER U WANT. THERE WERE A COUPLE CLUBS LEFT WHEN I LEFT. THERE IS BLACKJACK, BOUNCE, RUBY, B&B, AND TWO MORE WHICH NAMES I CANT THINK OF. BUT U NEED TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE ITS A MP HANGOUT LOL
8:36 am on September 24th, 2008 80
I served with the 7th Infantry Division, HHC, 2/32nd, in Camp Hovey from October 1966 until December 1968, although actually some of that time was spent down south in Camp Howard after the Pueblo Incident and the North Korean attack on the Blue House (Korea’s White House). I loved that tour so much that I actually extended my 13 month tour twice in order to stay longer. Toko-ri was a great little village with the usual amount of ‘activities’ for GI’s. Back then we were required to be in uniform when off post for anyone stationed north of Seoul. I still remember walking back to camp in my underwear because a slicky boy snuck into my village hootch and stole my uniform. I lived with my yobo who I paid on a monthly basis, $15 I think. It was a little insurance against VD as if you had a regular yobo your chances of catching anything were somewhat reduced - though not guaranteed. From reading the postings and Google earthing that area, it would seem that Camp Hovey and Toko-ri have changed a lot in the last 39 years. I still miss that place but I imagine that the Toko-ri I knew is long gone. What I wouldn’t give for a teapot of Makli and a dish of oma rice - 15 won each at the time. Bulgogi was about 100 won I think. Makli was a little yuckie for the first little teacup but by the time you started on your third, you were pretty blitzed. And these were those little pinkie teacups. I could go on but it would take many many pages to unravel the stories I could tell. Everything back then was a Magical Mystery tour, enhanced of course by the local herb - which back then was fairly mellow by today’s standards, so I’ve heard. It was good for kicking back and listening to Hendrix or the Butterfield Blues band and still being able to maintain if the law showed up. More later. If anyone was there around that era, drop me a line. Steed4660@aol.com. If you’re the MP’s still looking for me and my two friends, Jim and Larry, the Statute of Limitations has run out on almost everything we did back then.
2:44 pm on September 26th, 2008 81
the other club in tokorie is hoovey club and fox woods club
7:18 pm on October 9th, 2008 82
I was stationed at Camp Hovey from 05-06, 4-7 CAV, Tokori was just out the gate. When me and partners would roll to the TDC ville, we would hit up Tokori as an after party spot before hitting the backgate at curfew….When I left in 06, Tokori was pretty dead as most have said more MP’s and CP’s than GI’s. Does any remember the Adashi taxi cab suicide rides from TDC to the the Tokori backgate?…, if you were stationed on camp Hovey and didn’t want to walk back to the Casey gate,you told Adashi “bali bali” and this cat would be doing 50 to 70 mph through a compacted residential area to get you to the back gate in time…those were the scariest cab rides ever, but we always made curfew.
I didn’t see the midget when I was there, I heard that she got married, but anyway does anybody remember the B & B club and the Eve club there and the Foxwoods club. The Foxwood club had very high back booths to conceal the drinky girl from the customer while they were being entertained. There were some real sluts there, and the girls took turns on looking out for MP and CP’s while you were getting a blowjob.
The girls there had a little game where they would charge $40.00 for a blow job, but they would turn in $20.00 for the drink… so, they had to make you bust real quick….There was a chick named “Rose” that could give head like a champ she’d bring the drink back from the bar and dive like a submarine. While I was waiting on my battlebuddy, I saw her head bobbing thru an opening in the booth. You’d swear that girl had a mechanical device in her neck.
4:06 am on November 15th, 2008 83
5:03 am on November 24th, 2008 84
[...] Here is a video that two brothers stationed at Camp Casey have posted of a walking tour they conducted of the TDC Ville in Dongducheon, Korea. [...]
1:14 am on November 26th, 2008 85
Aight.. Well I married a Juicy girl, and i’ll tell you what I would NEVER marry me an american girl. She is the most caring, person I have every met. They are really old school pretty much. They basically slave to there husbands, even tho my wife knows I hate that, i can still do S*** on my own. We have a 2 month and hes my pride and joy, So you know Yeah you have bad Filipina juicy girls that f*** for money, but you gotta look whos paying for it, YEAH THE GI. Then you have oth