A Profile of the “TDC Ville”

Tags: Camp Casey, Dongducheon, ville

• Cpt.West
  1:22 pm on August 14th, 2007 1

  When I got to Korea there was still a midget in Tokori in 04. She up and disappeared though in 05, probably cause of the deployment of 2BCT. By the time I was doing CP duty in Tokori in 07 that ville was dead. There were only 5 clubs I think that were still open and there was no chocolate or anything else on them. There were no large crowds of soldiers left either. It became the same old story as the Stanley ville. There would be more CP’s and MP’s in the ville then soldiers. Casey ville is still packed on the weekends though with the drunk GI’s roaming the streets. Made for some interesting nights.

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• Dan
  1:59 pm on August 14th, 2007 2

  So how is the Stanley ville? Still there? I spent a bit of time at the Mustang club in 2002. Kind a miss it sometimes.

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• Bones
  5:53 pm on August 14th, 2007 3

  A trivia question who at one time owned what is now Mojo’s also owned the Black Rose?.

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  King dog
  April 4th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

  I remember the black rose

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• GI Korea
  6:29 pm on August 14th, 2007 4

  CPT West,

  It sounds like what I heard about Toko-ri is true, thanks for confirming it. I was in the TDC Ville in the late afternoon on a weekend this summer and it was already filled with plenty of people so I’m sure it gets pretty packed at night still.

  Dan,

  I stopped by Stanley Ville and it is still dead with more CPs walking around than soldiers. I didn’t stop by the Mustang Club though.

  Bones,

  I don’t know the answer to that one.

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• Leon LaPorte
  8:31 pm on August 14th, 2007 5

  Bones – That’s easy, Big Bobby, who is out of the club business. He is focusing on other ventures now.

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• Cpt.West
  10:34 pm on August 14th, 2007 6

  Yeah Stanleyville is also dead. When they moved Fires and Aviation BDE out it went from 2500 soldiers to around 800 now at Stanley. I used to hang out at the Papasan which was like the 1/38 O club but then got taken over by 602nd ASB. Mustang club still draws a pretty large crowd on the weekend however.

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• ChickenHead
  11:16 pm on August 14th, 2007 7

  GI,

  As always, you write well both in content and in form…

  …but, there is one point I have to disagree with.

  “The problem I got with this publicity is that it is implied that the US Army is allowing this prostitution to go on when it is the Koreans that are allowing it.”

  Koreans may be running it but the US Army (and US Air Force) ARE allowing this prostitution to continue.

  There is prostitution at the glass houses and USFK has put these places off-limits. This shows they CAN stop GIs from going to businesses engaged in prostitution.

  On the other hand, Ville clubs also have reasonably-open prostitution which is no secret to anyone. It is ONLY for GIs… as Koreans are not allowed in these clubs. Strangely, most of these clubs are not placed off-limits… and, when they are, they are back on-limits in a month… without even the formality of a name or owner change.

  It’s just a warning, and a month-of-income “fine”, to not generate the publicity which might upset the Gravy Train for everyone involved.

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• Cpt.West
  11:23 pm on August 14th, 2007 8

  Actually KTF clubs are allowed to have koreans and TCN’s in them now. This changed over a year ago.

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• ChickenHead
  11:24 pm on August 14th, 2007 9

  If real action was taken by a USFK that WOULDN’T allow prostitution and human trafficking to be supported by their servicemembers, these establishments would go out of business or change their business model.

  So, yes… prostitution is being allowed instead of easily stopped.

  I’m curious how anyone can deny this?

  For the most part, it’s hard to see a real problem with voluntary prostitution… when it is a freely-made agreement between a buyer and a willing seller…

  …but that’s not the way it works in the clubs these days, is it?

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• ChickenHead
  11:27 pm on August 14th, 2007 10

  If the girl refuses a barfine, she is charged the amount of the barfine to the rest of her manufactured debt (airplane ticket, agents’ fees, monthly rent, etc,etc,etc). She may not get beat with a shoe any longer… but, as this is more than her whole family back in the PI makes in a month or so, she is not exactly in a position to refuse.

  Human trafficking and sexual exploitation supported by an intriguing double standard in USFK policy? You be the judge.

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• GI Korea
  7:31 am on August 15th, 2007 11

  I have long discussed what to do about prostitution on this blog:

  http://rokdrop.com/2004/10/06/what-to-do-about-human-trafficking/

  http://rokdrop.com/2005/07/04/sad-but-true/

  USFK is not responsible for enforcing Korean law, Koreans are responsible for enforcing Korean law and prostitution is technically illegal in Korea though it is hardly enforced. So if anyone is to be blamed for human trafficking and prostitution it is the Korean government.

  With that said I have argued before that the move to Camp Humphreys is a great opportunity to change the business model in the ville by either not allowing underage drinkers in clubs that serve alcohol or not allow them in the ville at all past 2100. Then clubs with TCN drinky girls should be off limits as well which would end all concerns about human trafficking. This would force Korean girls to take their place who are harder to get to work in the clubs and more expensive. Doing this would greatly change the business model in the ville.

  I also think the idea of letting underage drinkers drink on post should also be explored. This would reduce the amount of underage drinking UCMJ and throw the younger soldiers a bone after being banned from drinking in the ville. I would rather have these guys drinking legally on post than drinking illegally off post and getting in trouble.

  I have a ton of other ideas but the move to Humphreys is the time to change the ville culture in Korea.

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• Rob
  9:46 am on August 15th, 2007 12

  More trivia…

  1) What club in the Tokori ville burned down in 1988?

  2) What club in the Tokori ville used to sponsor the lotto-lay, where the grand prize was a free overnight?

  3) What happened in the Tokori ville in 1987 that caused a mini riot outside the Camp Hovey gate?

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• GI Korea
  10:54 am on August 15th, 2007 13

  The answer to number two was the Ace Club I believe.

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• ChickenHead
  12:58 pm on August 15th, 2007 14

  Right on, GI…

  These are all good ideas.

  All of my post(s) didn’t come through… but the basic point was that USFK is not responsible for enforcing Korean law but they ARE responsible for insuring GIs follow Korean law and the UCMJ.

  While glass houses are actively off-limits, clubs engaged in prostitution are not… or only for one month if they bring too much attention to it. This contrasts off-limits for curfew violation which is forever.

  The question is… why?

  J!

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• Cpt.West
  2:22 pm on August 15th, 2007 15

  It is a good question. When I was at Stanley, we had the Las Vegas club which was put off limits 3 times while I was there. It was no secret what went on at that club. And the worst part was that when they were off-limits they would cater to TCN’s until they were taken off the black list. Soldiers would go back and within 3 months they would be busted again.

  Amusing anecdote. One night I was OD and out patrolling in the ville when we noticed two soldiers going upstairs in the Vegas club. We went up there to get them and they decided to climb the roof. For anyone that was in the Stanley ville before, you know that you can literally run rooftop to rooftop and make it back inside Stanley. We never did find out who the soldiers were.

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• Bones
  5:46 pm on August 15th, 2007 16

  Leon your correct guess what he is in Pusan doin the same thang. what do you know about the Groove club do you know about the big Korean/American woman who is J and Spo G

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• Dan
  12:17 am on August 16th, 2007 17

  I just had a thought,(always a scary thing), anyway this is about the ville at Camp Humphreys. There was a story back in the 80’s that the ville was not always at the present location. The past location was near the present PX. There was a terrible crime and two GI’s were killed in response. The ville gate was closed and business migrated to the present location. Since I heard this in 88, it may have been an event in the 70s. A wondering mind grows no moss.

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• GI Korea
  8:40 am on August 16th, 2007 18

  Rob,

  I think you have everyone stumped on questions 1 and 3. I’m curious to the answers.

  Dan,

  I have never heard that story before and I would have to say it must have happened in the 70’s because a lot of the old crusty NCOs I know have told me plenty of stories about the 80’s and never mentioned anything about this incident. I hope someone reading this can verify it or not.

  Chickenhead,

  The ville system is set up to act as a babysitter for soldiers. If to many clubs are put off limits than the soldiers go elsewhere and get in trouble. Just looking at the GI incidents that makes the papers they almost always happen outside the ville.

  Also the club owners have threatened before to ally with anti-US groups if villes are hit hard with the loss of business due to increased curfews or to many areas put off limits. Also the club owners could start also start having GI incidents that happen in the ville start making the papers.

  USFK knows that it cannot stop all prostitution but they are making efforts to reduce it while at the same time playing a balancing act with not getting the club owners to pissed off and preserving the babysitting aspect of the ville. These reasons cause the off limits and back on limits game to continue.

  The reconsolidation of US forces to Osan and Camp Humphreys hubs is the perfect time to start implementing a new strategy to change the ville culture. Such a strategy cannot be implemented now because with US forces leaving from Area 1 there is no long term incentive for the club owners to change anything thus the status quo will remain.

  It would not be wise to directly take on the club owners with my proposed changes until 2ID is moved out of Area 1 and I think USFK will have no choice but to change the ville culture if the plans to allow everyone to bring their families with them to Korea is implemented.

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• ChickenHead
  11:58 am on August 16th, 2007 19

  “The ville system is set up to act as a babysitter for soldiers. If to many clubs are put off limits than the soldiers go elsewhere and get in trouble.”

  Hear, hear! Somehow, though, USFK managed to take all the fun away from the Ville with constant patrols worried about people drinking too much… meaning they have pushed soldiers elsewhere WITHOUT stopping GI supported prostitution and human trafficking… the worst of both worlds, if you will.

  “Also the club owners have threatened before to ally with anti-US groups if villes are hit hard with the loss of business due to increased curfews or to many areas put off limits.”

  This is the biggest cop-out/BS excuse ever made by the “leadership” who seems to like things to continue the way they are. Colonel Taliento demonstrated you CAN stop prostitution and human trafficking. The clubs put up a few offensive signs and made a few empty threats… but, in the end, they got on the program.

  “Also the club owners could start also start having GI incidents that happen in the ville start making the papers.”

  Another excuse. As long as enough business is coming their way to make rent (for the majority of clubs), they will shut up and collect the easy money.

  “USFK knows that it cannot stop all prostitution but they are making efforts to reduce it”

  I disagree. I think they are making efforts to protect it… especially at Osan. Colonel Taliento didn’t make an effort to reduce it, he made an effort to stop it… and he did. It CAN be done.

  “while at the same time playing a balancing act with not getting the club owners to pissed off”

  Through honest off-limits policy, the base is holding all the cards. Pissed-off club owners aren’t going to make rent. They will play ball.

  “and preserving the babysitting aspect of the ville.”

  Between curfew, drinking restrictions and punishment for grabass like low-level fighting, everybody is already leaving the ville… especially those who SHOULD stay in a babysitting environment. Once again, the worst of both worlds.

  Anyway, no matter what excuses are given, Colonel Taliento proved USFK can keep the barowners in line with American values and policy… because if anyone wants to suggest to me that club owners are equal in power to the American military, I’ll have to laugh at them.

  J!

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• Chris Bowman
  1:58 pm on August 16th, 2007 20

  Chickenhead..nice to se you again..lol(peace on this board ok dude..lol)

  I have always stated over the number of years..that Town Patrol is basically supporting the activity of Human Trafficking..now i know this post is on prostitution..but is there a difference?? In terms of the Korean scene??? As a former town Patrol individual (A-town 00-01, 04-05), we knew of the shit that had been going down in our “ville”, with Korean Nationals barfining women…in 2004..the no more barfines went into effect..we were cracking down on USFK members, but yet, we knew good and well that Koreans were coming to the ville and barfining these girls…not only is this prostitution, but its human trafficking as well. The girls were forced to sleep with Koreans for a price.

  why is it, that the Armed Forces is so against human trafficking/prostitution, but yet they dont do anything about it,,,other than enforce laws on USFK members??? I believe the no barfine rule was put in place to be political correct…to show the world…the military does not engage into prostitution, as so many folks have the image of…taken from Vietnam and the old Clark AB days. If only the world really knew what goes down in the behind scenes world of the Korean Clubs and the Human Trafficking of girls from the Philippines.

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• Motorpool
  8:16 am on August 17th, 2007 21

  Dan: I had the dubious honor of being stationed at the Hump in 77-78. The story you heard was essentially true. At the time I arrived, the ville had been relocated to its present location, but you could still see the old bars/hootches/store fronts just outside the fence where the PX is located now. To add more to this story (though I can’t verify, and parts could be wrong), what precipitated the old ville closing was indeed 2 GIs who apparently raped a Korean girl . . . a little girl is the way I heard it. Now, the incident supposedly actually happened or the girl lived (not sure which)outside the BACK gate of the Hump. When I was there, we had to go out that back gate every now and then to provide services to some Signal guys that were stationed on a Microwave site called Fayetteville, which could only be accessed thru that gate and thru the little town outside that gate. The gate was locked at all times and we had to have MP escort thru the town when we traveled to the site. In that little town, there was/is a little Church with a little steeple. What I heard from MPs at the time was that the locals managed to get hold of one of the GIs and made him a weather vane on top of that steeple. That supposedly started the movement of the ville to current location. I would guesstimate that about 65-75% of what I’ve related might be true. If memory serves me right, it happened in the 74-76 timeframe.

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• simp77
  8:16 am on August 17th, 2007 22

  I was stationed at the hump in 78 and I thought it was one of the wildest most insane places I had ever been to.I visited TDC in 80 and that place was even worse but I only visited for a couple of days.The grunts were out of control and you really had to watch yourself.Between 78 & 79 I remember two clubs being burned to the ground,one of them during the Christmas holidays by a drunk GI who decided to see if the decorations would burn.If memory serves me two or three people got killed in the fire.To us GIs the ville was playland,where you could get away with almost anything.Fighting was an every night occurence and you always kept your eyes open cause beer bottles would start flying.You went to the ville with your buddies for safety because the MPs couldn’t keep the peace.Back then all the girls were Korean and the almighty dollar ruled.If you had the money you could get almost anything you wanted.

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• Dan
  1:14 pm on August 17th, 2007 23

  MotorPool, Thanks for the info. That is much the same as what I heard. But instead of the weather vane, I heard it was body part relocation for both of them. Thanks for the time line. I don’t think there is much info on this out there.
  Got any pictures of Anjun-ri from your time there. If so, I would love to see them. Thanks.

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• Motorpool
  1:54 pm on August 17th, 2007 24

  NP, Dan. I do have some pix from my time there, but unfortunately, they are in storage in the states. In keeping with the wild and wooly times back then, the pictures I took couldn’t be shared anyway, if you catch my drift. XMAS 77. What WAS her name . . . “Pillows”? Ah yes. lol

  There is 1 korean website that references the incident I saw several years ago, but I can’t remember which one, http://www.badGI.ccom or something. I do remember an old faded CID bolo when I visited the post office at the time asking for info from anybody who knew who lynched the GI.

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• Dan
  11:38 pm on August 17th, 2007 25

  Drift understood Motorpool. I have a few from the 80’s myself. I’m sure yours would top what I thought at the time was wild and wooly. Still, some of the best times I had — outside of the PI that is.

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• Rob
  4:53 pm on August 18th, 2007 26

  GI, you are correct. It was the Ace Club. Some of the finest Korean girls to ever walk the peninsula used to work in there.

  The answer to question number one is the Olympus Club. It used to be right across the street from the Grand Illusion.

  The answer to question number 3 is two soldiers in Bravo Company 702′d crashed into the taxi stand with their 5-ton wrecker at the bottom of the hill (coming into to Tokori) and killed seven (I think) Koreans. The brakes on their 5-ton went out and they couldn’t stop.

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• GI Korea
  11:00 am on August 19th, 2007 27

  Rob,

  Imagine if an accident like that happened today. The anti-US groups would have a field day with it. Were they trying to take the wrecker through the Toko-ri gate of Camp Hovey? It is hard to drive a HMMWV through that ville much less a wrecker.

  Do you remember about 10 years ago when a soldier took an M-88 and smashed it into a club in the Toko-ri ville to get back at his drinky girl girlfriend?

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• Rob
  9:44 pm on August 20th, 2007 28

  Oh man! I can’t imagine what an accident like that would get twisted into by the anti-US groups these days. And yes, their plan was to enter the Tokori gate of Camp Hovey, which was not uncommon back then.

  No, I don’t remember the M-88 incident because I was in the states at that time, but lol. wtf? What club was it?

  Tokori was nice back in the late 80’s, and a hell of a lot of fun. We worked hard and played hard, and there was no such thing as a curfew. Better days have passed us by I’m afraid…

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• Mark
  10:32 pm on August 20th, 2007 29

  Do you remember about 10 years ago when a soldier took an M-88 and smashed it into a club in the Toko-ri ville to get back at his drinky girl girlfriend?

  M-Club?

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• GI Korea
  10:49 pm on August 20th, 2007 30

  I wasn’t there either but I have heard from multiple reliable people about a mechanic that got pissed at his drinky girl for cheating on him and used an M-88 to smash through the front of the M-Club as Mark stated. No one was killed but the front of the club was trashed.

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  5:43 pm on August 22nd, 2007 31

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• jb
  1:52 am on August 23rd, 2007 32

  Does anyone know if the russian juicy girls have returned to TDC?? I keep hearing that from people.

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• Billy B.
  4:03 am on October 6th, 2007 34

  i was in 302nd FSB at casey 94-95, used to go to the “blue acid” and the “rock and roll together” clubs. while i was there, the girls were all korean, and the place was WILD, we went over to toko-ri and i met the midget, but wasnt interested. juicy girls were $20.00 then. but you could get a “long time” for $60.00….so… i never bought much juice. i agree that the girls ( most of them ) knew exactally what they were doing, and were good at “milking” GI’s.

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  D. Turmel
  June 13th, 2009 at 8:17 am

  I uploaded some photos of the “Together” club to my flickr site:

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/svobodnik/

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• Mexico GI
  7:04 pm on October 13th, 2007 35

  I Just came from there like 3 months ago.so the midget is true???I thought it was a myth like vampires?yea all the girls in TDC are filipinos.I heard there is mongalian girls in the ville now?I think in WOW club.The ville is so dirty and it smells.The Korean be taking my Newports all the time.On another subject why when an american soldier is killed by a korean the korean ppl never hear about it?what happened to Van Her he was hit by a Taxi driver and died at the scene.thats not the worst part.The Taxi driver kept going because he had a passager to drop off.so he got his money then went back to the scene of the crime.Van Her’s body wasn’t really able to be identified just by looking at it.The Taxi driver got his license taken away and 2 years in prison.If if was the other way around.The Koreans would want money and protest for years.The best place to go is in paju city.I remember paju its away from all american.it looks like dongducheon but no americans.There is still juicy girls.oh and there is russians there too.never take home a juicy to mama.you can’t make a ho into a housewife, so makes you think you can do it with a Juicy?

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• GI Korea
  8:32 pm on October 13th, 2007 36

  Mexico GI,

  I have covered what happened to SPC Vang Her here on the ROK Drop:

  http://rokdrop.com/2007/05/08/naked-usfk-soldier-killed-by-taxi-cab/

  The cab driver dropping off his passenger and then returning would explain the delay in reporting the accident.

  Where did you hear the cab driver was sentenced for two years and his licensed taken away? I have seen nothing in the Stars and Stripes or the Korean media about it.

  Oh yeah the midget is very real. The first time I saw her years ago she started hanging on me and I thought I was going to catch a disease from her just touching me from the stories I have heard about her. Now I really wish I would have taken a picture of her for posterities sake.

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• Marlan
  12:16 pm on January 31st, 2008 39

  Was at Camp Castle(outside of casey) in 1984-85. The place was wild as hell then. The officers used to sit inthe bars and by hookers beside the enlisted. If i remember right, an american general was pulled from a car in Seoul and stoned to death. Wild times back then.

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  King dog
  April 4th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

  I was at Aco 702 in 84 85 the times were wild we had slicky overnite passes the girls were cheap and slick

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• Sgt Rock
  4:12 am on February 11th, 2008 40

  I was with F co. 702nd Maint. Bn from Aug 1978 to Aug 1979. Back then it was compleatly different than today. As an 18 year old Pvt from Michigan it was at first a major culture shock to me. But I caught on ASAP.I spent my first day at the Turtle Farm at Camp Casey. Then I was off to my Unit. I remember we had a dirt motor pool and old shops. Once a month on Payday at the end of the day our Company commander would release us from formation to the NCO club across the street. The drinks were on him. Needless to say we busted our asses for the guy.

  We had ration cards back then for everything from beer, liquor, coffie, etc. A GI could supplement his income by selling his rations in the Ville on the black market. When I was there the Commander of the 2nd Military Police was busted for selling appliances for the PX on the black market.

  We had to have a pass to get off post to the ville. You had to put in for it a week in advance. There was a 2400 hrs curfew back then the only people on the streets after midnight were MP’s and KNP’s and the occassional drunk GI. Me and three of my buddies got caught by two MP’s after curfew one night while trying to make it back to my hooch at the base of Namsan Mountain. Before we made it to the bridge we were caught in on the strip behind the Oasis Club. There was 4 of us and only two of them. We disarmed them and whooped there ass then took off down the ally along the river across from 2nd Aviation all the way to gate 2. We climbed the fence and made it to our barracks. We never got caught for that.

  Back then I used to hang out a Johnnys 777 Club. It was a small place
  But it had some of the hottest Korean girls. Thats right not Philippino. Genuine Korean Beauties. It was $5 for a short time and $10 for an overnight. Everyone from Top Brass to the lowly Private
  were getting in on the action. You could get an overnight pass back then. The only time I had 2 girls at once was in the ville. I was in heaven. All night for $20 and they cooked me breakfast in the morning.

  In December 1978 I meet my soon to be wife Chong Soon. She was the bartender at the Oasis Club. We tied the knot on March 27, 1979. This March we will celebrate our 29th anniversary. I sewed my oats in TDC. It is where I became a man. Can’t believe thay have a subway there now. Dosn’t sound like a place were a GI would want to be now. No way to blow off steam. Anyway I have many more stories about the ville in TDC back in the day. ~ Sgt Rock

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• Sgt Rock
  4:12 pm on February 12th, 2008 41

  You best watch them sliky boys! You know the story of the slicky boy stealing your jam box and leaving the music…..it’s true.

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• zigzag
  8:50 am on February 16th, 2008 42

  The year was 1989 I was 17 when I got off the bus in turtal village. All the old timers where hi fiven when we hit the ground. short time $10 long time $20 OB .50 bud was a buck. chicken on a stick (lol) was 4 for a dollar.
  Papason cleaning the hut doing your BDUs and boots $5.00 a week. Your rashon card was gold.

  I had the time of my life there. It makes me sad to here that TDC is no longer (DOWN RANGE) and the (DMZ) is no longer the dark man zone.

  89&90 GIs rulled that town. The only thing other than VD that you had to worry about was losing your shoes out side the door.

  It’s to bad the young men today will never the the fun us old timers had back then.

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• Sgt Rock
  1:15 pm on February 18th, 2008 43

  When you can’t get downrange to do your business because your in the field during Team Spirt. The Ville will come to you.

  Back during Team Spirt 1978 are unit was taking part in the exercise along with most of the 2nd ID. It was cutting into mamasans profits. So she brought girls and booze to us so we wouldn’t be lonely.

  I was on guard duty in a foxhole when mamasan approaches my position. I told her to halt but she wouldn’t listen.She walks up and asks me if I need a nice girl. I look around and I see only the next position and its my bud so I asked her if she had any soju? She said I get for you. Im thinking this is freakin crazy. If I get caught Im deep in shit. After a few she comes back with a girl and a bottle of soju. So Im in this foxhole drinkin my soju while this girl is taking care of me when I here someone whistle. It was my bud and he was to late warning me because as I look up I see my Platoon Sgt lookin down at me.

  At this point I figure Iv’e had it. Then he says to me “I want her when your finished and pour that soju in your canteen before you get us busted”.

  I swear on my mothers grave this story is true. I was an 18 years old Pvt and my Plt Sgt was a seasoned Vietnam vet. Im suprised he let me finish before he got himself some. ~ Sgt Rock

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• Billy B.
  11:33 pm on February 18th, 2008 44

  it didnt change much between your time and my time sgt. rock, i was in 302nd forward support, we were in the field ALOT, odjima would trade us a HOT bowl of chicken ramen ( IN THE FIELD!) and a bottle off soju for 2 MRE’s. this was 1994-95, my buddy gerry brooke and i would STAY on guard duty, when relief came, we’ed say “we got it” … we would stay up all night eating packets of mre coffee chased with soju, we called it the “tasters choice kettle” then crash out all day under a humvee, or some other vehicle. we were mechanics, “we’re tryin to get this starter out” hehe.

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• Scott
  3:00 am on March 4th, 2008 45

  Hey guys,wow a sight that talks about the ville.
  every word that sgt rock said was true.H e left
  out a few tidbitts though, like you could also
  rent a girl by the month,thats right,it was
  called having a yobo,wich is the korean word for
  mate.however,If you had a girl from ANY club
  other than the lions den(aka starze)the eagles
  club (aka the head club) or the dark side of
  the moon club,if you were in the field,mamasan
  would have her working the club while you were
  in the field.I seen it happen many times.I
  remember once a new guy asked me to visit his
  hooch at the lucky club and meet the love of his
  young life.well i went and when we got there
  there was another pair of shoes.He flings open
  the hooch door and there they were going at it
  3 ft from my face.He jumps on top of the guy with
  a wash basin in his hand,hitting the dude in the
  head with it while the guys nailing his woman.
  I pulled him off and took him downstairs for a
  drink and told him “I told you so” of course
  she came down and sweet talked him right back
  upstairs.I saw this a million times.Sgt Rock
  We shared the same motor pool at the same time if
  you were in the 702 motor pool by gate 2,I was in
  the scout plt csc 2nd bn 72nd armor from 78-80.
  I extended while there.went back to b.co.1st bn
  38th inf at camp hovey from june 82 to july 83
  I took in country leave as my daughter was born
  there,yep I got married there,she was awesome we
  also had a son.she died of a cereberal hemorage
  some years back and is buried in korea with her
  mom.another thing the hookers went to the field
  with mamasan too.Now my friend married his yobo
  out of the johnny bar 28yrs ago,I was best man
  girls,korean girls got trapped into it by there
  own people,sounds like there doing it again with
  fillipenas,I remember me and some friends tried
  to get a girl 14 yrs old out from under these
  scumbags,we went to the s-5 right across the
  tracks,neither the knp’s or mp’s would do squat
  in fact we almost got into it with the knp’s
  every govt official was making money off them
  girls.as for the bars I mentioned before,they
  were hard rock bars and didnt allow hookers in
  the girls that worked there did just that
  they worked there.If they liked you,they might
  go home with you just like back here.I also
  served in the jsf in 84-85 and was in the last
  firefight between the us and nkpa when a czech
  defector ran into south korea during a tour,one
  rok was kia and a guy named burgoyne was shot
  through the jaw.several nkpa’s were killed
  even though they broke out th ak’s and at first
  we only had side arms wich they were only
  supposed to have.qrf showed up and we realy tore
  into them,I saw 3 dead nkpa’s for sure,but when
  the cease fire was given,they dragged off about
  a dozen others,I later heard 8 kia’s but cant
  be sure,I had left 1st ranger bat and we had
  gone to grenada and I was looking forward to
  peace and quiet,but that day in nov of 84 was
  anything but.however we did hear one of those
  killed was the man who led the axe murders 8 yrs
  before.PAYBACK. Anyway I gotta say in all my
  tours there,I never heard of the midget of
  toko-ri,I did hear of the amazon and went to
  toko-ri to see her,and,it was true.though I
  rarely went into toko-ri.Even on my last tour
  where I was training nco at sf-det k in yongsan
  I would still go to tdc,so you guys there now,
  let me tell you,I grew up outside deadwood south
  dakota a famouse wild west town and always
  wonderd what it was like then,TDC,in fact,most of
  korea in the 70’s and 80’s filled me in on what
  it was like.But I loved it and might go back
  some day.I served with 1st rangers in grenada and
  panama and 3rd in somalia and am proud of that
  service.But guys like sgt rock myself my buddy
  mike and thousands of others helped to make the
  rok what it is today,when I say this I do not want
  to diminish anyones service who’s serving today.
  but thats why we vets of korea from july 53 to
  is it 1990?earned the new medal for fighting in
  the unknown but now recognized DMZ WAR,for decades
  after and during vietnam befor grenada,panama and
  somalia wich were spec ops operations,before iraq
  there was korea,the most rewarding time of my
  military career,saw some of the craziest,funniest
  things.some bad stuff too.But was glad to have
  served there on freedoms frontier.

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• A Profile of USFK Camps in Dongducheon
  5:27 am on March 4th, 2008 46

  [...] runs through the center of the city and is known to flood from time to time. In 1997 the entire Dongducheon “ville” area was underwater during the worst flood in recent [...]

• Then & Now: TDC Ville in Dongducheon
  6:44 am on March 24th, 2008 47

  [...] You can see many more pictures and information about the TDC Ville by clicking here. [...]

• Smac
  11:35 am on March 28th, 2008 48

  “It was the Ace Club. Some of the finest Korean girls to ever walk the peninsula used to work in there.”

  Brother I can witness to that!!

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• NC47
  2:26 am on March 30th, 2008 49

  I was a soldier from 91-92 and 94-97. Was stationed at Casey and Yongsan during that time but worked in one form or another at Casey, Castle, Nimble, Pelham, Stanley, CRC, Yongsan, Market, Humphries, FED, Stanton, and Howze. I worked as a civiliam from 98-2007 on and off as an english teacher and more recently as a civilian at Walker, Henry and Carroll. I was TDY constantly at my last job from 2004-2007 going to Casey, Sears, Stanley, CRC, Yongsan, Osan, and Humphries. I think the only base I never got to during that time that was open was Hialeah for some reason. I have visited just about every base or have worked in some form at every base except Hialeah during that time to include the base at Cheju-do, which I believe has been closed also. A lot of changes during the times for sure and a lot of bases closed that hold a lot of history and memories for a lot of Americans.

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• ROK Drop — Keeping the USFK Gravy Train Rolling Since 1950.
  10:22 am on April 1st, 2008 50

  [...] A Profile of the TDC Ville [...]

• Duke of Yon-Ju-Gol
  1:21 pm on April 7th, 2008 51

  I was at Camp Garry Owen from 88-92, and Camp Casey from 96-97.

  Holy mother of God, that first 4 years was nothing but drunken debauchery. Yes, I stayed there 4 years. It was that good. Who cared if you were far away from home, the duty was good, but the partying was better.

  Our little ville was much smaller than TDC, but it was unbelievable. There were over 20 clubs, all of them whorehouses, the smallest had 2 girls, the largest had over 200. 5 dollars for a short time, 10 dollars for an overnight and they were all Korean women and girls in the clubs.
  The Happy Club had girls that all dyed their hair blonde. There was one girl with such an ugly face we called her “Monkey Woman”. As ugly as she was, she was one of the most popular girls in the ville for her ability to deepthroat.
  The Nabi Club is the one that had over 200 girls working there. It was a candy store.

  Things changed in 1991. That was the year that the korean government finally passed laws against kidnapping, slavery, and indentured servitude.
  Up until then, many of the women that worked in those clubs were literally kidnapped off the street, beaten and forced to sign contracts to work as prostitutes.
  As soon as the laws were passed, the girls emptied out of the clubs.
  One week, most were just gone. The only ones left were the pros.
  It took a while for the club owners to bring in replacements, but it was pretty much the demarcation between the “Old Days” and now.

  As far as USFK not doing anything about the prostitution, things have really changed. Back then, you would just as likely to be swinging from the rafters of a club with a battalion commander while trying to drink him under the table. Units would march in formation through the ville on thunder runs, just swarm a bar, drink a beer, then form up and march to the next.
  You really can’t point to one event, or bad incident that changed things, it evolved over time.

  I could probably write a book about that 4 years.

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• Duke of Yon-Ju-Gol
  1:25 pm on April 7th, 2008 52

  Oh, one more thing, the midget was still in Toku-Ri in 96.

  I did her. It was worth the 40 bucks.

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• JW
  4:52 am on April 15th, 2008 53

  I spent plenty of time in the ville. It has its appeals. We usually went to the metal bars, like JC Lounge, Head Club, etc. It got a little old, however.

  For the more adventurous type, you gotta check out second market. There are lots of bars and restaurants downtown TDC. One notable bar is Boozers, which has a lot of different international beers. There were about five different Karaoke bars (Noraybang in Korean) downtown too. You get your own room here, and can be fairly rowdy at your own discretion. They have a huge selection of karaoke music, and are real cheap. Unfortunately, a lot of Koreans are racist, and some of them wouldn’t let us in when we brought our black friends. Emberrasing and disgusting .
  Note: The Karaoke bars on or around the bus station are red lighted. Do not go there, as the repricussions are severe.

  There is also the part of town called New City (Jee Heng in Korean). If you ever get tired of the army crowd, go here right away. This is located at the end of the road to Toko-Ri from MSR 3. This is a very nice part of town and has more restaurants and bars than any part of TDC. There is a German restaurant here, a Pizza Hut, a Dominoes, a Japanese steakhouse, Sushi bars, and a Baskin Robins. There is also a landmark bar here called “Captain Hamel’s,” which is clearly visible from MSR 3. There is also a bar called “The Beer Hunter,” which serves spiked beer, if you want to get drunk fast .

  The road from Jee Heng to Toko-Ri also has a lot of smaller restaurants and bars. There is also a Jim Jil Bang here, which is a gym/pool/community center, which is a great place to interact with the local Korean population.

  I left just before the new subway station was completed, but most of this should still be here. You’d be a fool not to check it out at least once.

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• SSG MERC
  2:07 am on April 21st, 2008 54

  First off, the ville is for losers. How about Gangnam, Agpugeoung, Seongsu, Sinchon, and Hongdae. The ville is .05% of Korea; Korea’s Asshole. Do your work week then put a pass for the weekend and enjoy REAL Nightlife. Then again the ville is for the desparate and “never had ass before” guys, “suckers”, and no game havin LOSERS. So I can see why most choose the easy access. These guys are what I call non-tree climbers. The best fruit are at the top of trees, but you rather pick the woman on the ground that are easy for everyone. I came to Korea to interact with Koreans, not filipinas, russians, and sleazy korean whores.

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  D. Turmel
  June 13th, 2009 at 8:04 am

  What I remember going to the Tongducheon ‘ville is that the people from my unit would be there, both men and women, and that was fun.

  As for the places you mention – are those locations in Seoul?

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• GI Korea II
  3:56 pm on May 25th, 2008 55

  Hmm I was there in 03 to 05 and I dont remember the midget being back she retired just before I got there right after the Expose. IF you saw her CPT West I am guessing she came back temporarily and did some sort of a juicy girl reunion tour kinda like AC/DC but older and more beat the hell up.

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• GI Korea II
  3:57 pm on May 25th, 2008 56

  Oh and I agree completely with SSG MERC. He is absolutely right but don’t follow his advice. Please stay in the ville and leave the quality ass to us. We can handle it

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• Camp Stanley
  12:11 am on May 30th, 2008 57

  Does anyone have an idea on where I can go to chat or post with the club girls outside the back gate at CP Stanley? Any web sites? Or at the very least recent photo’s of the clubs & the ville . I was there for 2 years & was in those rooms behind the bars all night 7 days a week back in 1995-1997 & would like to see how the old ville is.

  Thanks!

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• GI Korea
  6:49 am on May 30th, 2008 58

  As far as chat rooms with the club girls I have no idea but you can see video of Stanleyville today by clicking here.

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• Bones
  9:12 am on May 30th, 2008 59

  Yon ju gol Lord have mercy, some the comical shit that went on there.

  I was there from 86 to 87 the only club that had that many
  girls was the New Seoul Club, next was the one across the street, I think it was the US America Club. Your right about the Happy Club those were some of wildest girls in the ville….some of the girls in the other club were envious of them. The Happy girls must have went back to blond, when I was there they went to their natural color (some GI brought his wife in there who was a natural blond). Loved it when the girls would have their cat fights.

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• JW
  7:10 am on June 5th, 2008 60

  SSG Merc, i totally agree.

  Apgujeong and Sinchon absolutely rock. Every four day weekend we were down in Sinchon. I like it way better than Hongdae, and seriously its Seoul’s best kept secret.

  But for weekdays, the ville, second market, and jee heng do just fine.

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• GI Korea2
  12:14 pm on June 5th, 2008 61

  Yeah Sinchon is great because it is cheap and you can meet the poor college students who just wanna get drunk and have fun.

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• shattered
  12:16 pm on June 5th, 2008 62

  “Sinchon. I like it way better than Hongdae, and seriously its Seoul’s best kept secret.”

  That made me laugh.

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• Bruce Richards
  9:39 am on June 10th, 2008 63

  I had 4 tours in Korea. 60-61, 69-70, 78-79, 81-82. The 60-61 tour was at Casey, and was PRIOR to the SOFA. TDC was 95% thatched roof houses that were framed with regular wood, but the walls were branchs with a mixture of about 80% mud, and 20% cement. You could put your fist through them, but the branchs would tear you up pulling it back out. Every weekend you would see a black cloud rising up from the village from someone getting into it with one of the girls, and torching her houch.

  We had to wear uniforms off post on my 1st 2 tours, and I remember one night taking a short cut accross some paddys to try to make it back for bed check. Well after several hours of drinking, I didn’t do very good on the paddys, and fall in at the corner of one. Well, wouldn’t you know it, I fell into one of the pits that they dumped the honey buckets into. When I got to the MP shack at Gate 1, they started to stop me for being after curfew, but could smell me coming, and told me to just keep going. My unit was in Happy Valley, now called Dragon Valley. I was stopped by a MP jeep while walking to the valley, but for some reason, they did not give me a ride. When I got to my quonset hut, I had to go to the central latreen, and take a shower and run to my hut in my drawers. I asked the house boy pic up my cloths in the morning.

  Looking back, if the Army knew how much fun I had, they would take my Retirement Pay back.

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  D. Turmel
  June 13th, 2009 at 7:59 am

  Great story! Did you take any pictures?

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• Bruce Richards
  2:17 am on June 13th, 2008 64

  Motorpool:

  Hey, I was at the Hump 78-79 also. I was in Hq Company Garrison. I was in charge of the TMP Motor Pool there. What a job. What unit were you in? That was the closest to being a cilivian while in the Army I could ask for.

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• MK
  11:03 am on July 5th, 2008 65

  I love your comparison of Toko-ri to that village in Star Wars! What a perfect description. I was stationed in Seoul in 2001-2002 and dating a guy at CP Hovey. I could not BELIEVE the mass exodus on Friday night to TOkori. Soldiers were literally walking in packs out of the gate. I was one of the few females in the bunch (and, unfortunately, in the juicy clubs with my bf.) I saw the infamous Dragon Lady (and later to my disgust saw her washing up with a hose in the women’s bathroom) and was even hit on by the juicy girls. I stayed close to my bf and tried not to interact much. I was shocked that such a world existed. Most of the guys in our group disappeared with various women and by the end of the night we were alone!
  Oh, and my bf told me that his BN XO and other upper ranking men had their own “secret” juicy bars in TOkori that they used. His XO had extended to spend time in those places (and avoid his family back home). Some of the LTs in his unit rented apartments in Tokori to spend time with their juicy girls on the weekends. About seven LTs would chip in to pay the rent and share the apartment.
  THe Hill in Itaewon was another CRAZY place. Guys used to take me by the arm “for protection from juicy girls” when we walked up that hill. I had never seen so many fights. Back in those days we had no curfew, and I didn’t expect to return home before dawn. A SPC in my unit ran one of the juicy bars on that hill and would return to our unit in the morning with sacks full of cash! I have to admit that I was a little disappointed to see how tame things. However, women should not be forced into prostitution. I believe that situation is the fault of the BAR OWNERS and KOREAN GOVERNMENT, though, not the soldiers. THe TIME magazine article was biased against soldiers!
  I can only imagine what the area was like in the late nineties!

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• The Lion
  12:44 pm on July 12th, 2008 66

  Hmmm…what to say about TDC that hasn’t already been covered. Toko-ri. Well the place is alot more run down now than it was when im sure most of you were. GI’s still go there, its the easiest place to pick up a juicey girl thats for sure. And also loved the reference to Star Wars too. TDC for the most part is tame. There is alot of uniformed soldiers walking the ville now. MP’s and CCP guys walk till curfew. They pick up anyone who might be having a little to much fun. Sometimes it can be a drag but I know they have saved my ass a trip to the MP station a few times. The juiceys are still there, and with Tok dieing slowly into only a few clubs they are importing the girls from Tok to TDC. Ive only been to Itaewon once and I plan to head back there. Of course not to the hill but to this place Seoul Pub. I went there on a sunday afternoon and the crowd was as diverse as it can be on the Lords day. Retired Colonels, locals, and some europeans were there so it was a good time. So yea things have changed and they havnt.

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• David Wester
  2:37 pm on July 12th, 2008 67

  Motorpool, regarding your experiences at Humphrey… I was there 75-76 and indeed the story was that 2 soldiers raped a young girl. The story went on to say that the 2 were lynched, but I dont know how much credence. I used to work at the microwave site, in those days it was called “Fresno”. Other than anjung-ri, there was no permission to go to the little villages that abutted Humphrey.

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• Earl
  4:57 pm on July 18th, 2008 68

  i am currently in camp casey and the ville has died down alot from the stories i have been hearing but you can still buy a girls night off for 120 to 400 dollars for the night or three hours during their working hours but you can also tell a cab driver bum bum no MP and he will take you to glass house and it will cost you up to 300 dollars. but it is with koreans. the same goes with TOK they still have their nights off as well i am speaking from personnel experience here but they say that the ville is so small that the girls are used up so good luck getting one but if you do make sure you wrap it up

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  King dog
  April 4th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

  You are right you better rap it up.I remember getting burnt when I WAS THERE In 84 T0 85 at CAMP CASEY I WENT UP TO 2ND MED I WAS IMBARRESED UNTIL I SAW HOW MANY GI’S WERE THERE FO THE SAME THING

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• Jim
  7:31 am on July 19th, 2008 69

  OMG! 120 to 400 dollars! There are either very desperate GI’s or very beautiful women… I lived in Tokori from 80-81 and 82 and served with CSC 1/38 INF. There was a 2/1 ratio for GI to Girl in the clubs. However, there were girls in the ville that did not work the clubs. Sure they were there looking for a better life with an american GI but they refused to work the clubs. They kept a low profile and was kept by families who they usually owed alot of money too. I remember prostitution being legal. The girls who worked the clubs were required to carry a VD Card that showed they were up to date on their VD tests. If they were caught working the club without it then they were sent to a VD farm for 30 days or more. Tokori was no doubt a fun place to live. I rented a hooch at the intersection that let to TDC. I remember some extreme times in that ville. Monday morning you did not want to be in the back of the PT formation. The smell of SoJU coming from the breath of everyone in front was overwelming and I do mean EVERYONE!. We had a midnight curfew and had to have a pass unless you were an NCO. I seen a riot at the gate one time when an alert was sounded and every club emptied out in three minutes it was always a mad dash for the gate. This one time it was a false alarm and when everyone returned to the gate the MP’s would not open it becuase they never recieved word from Battlion to do so. A GI started to climb the fence when a Korean National in the tower lock and loaded his M1 sniper rifle on him. He continued to climb the fence when the MP at the Gate told him to get down or he would blow his whistle which would give the Korean permission to fire. The GI jumped the fence, the MP blow the whistle and that poor GI’s was back over that fence just fast enough to catch a round in the ear lobe. The rest of the GI’s waiting to get the out gate, Became furious and torn into that MP like a feeding frenzy. They climbed the sniper tower and the Korean National was never heard from again. After the gate burst open I just walked home. I found that MP’s Badge in the road the next day. I could tell stories for quite some time and never repeat the same day.

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• FLORES
  5:21 pm on July 27th, 2008 70

  NO matter what kind of experience we all had while we were there,it seems the ROK will always be in are soul.I was there in 87-89 &90-91 and let not forget about the Katusas, LOL

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  King dog
  April 4th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

  yEA I HAD TO KATUSAS FOR ROOMATES I WOULD COME IN LATE AT NITE TO A ROOM SMELL OF KIMSHEE

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• Earl
  7:22 pm on July 27th, 2008 71

  yeah i know that there are girls who go out there that dont work in the bars because i am currently datin three of them and 2 koreans at the same time talk about stress

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• scott
  7:21 am on August 4th, 2008 72

  Jim,you and I were at the same place at the same time.
  do you remember running the horn?I thought toko-ri sucked and as I has done on my first tour,78-80 (I extended)I went to tdc,the starze,dark side of the moon,
  and eagles,aka head club,were my hangouts.no whores in
  those joints,just great ladies and great times.I also agree with you about the money,you could get a yobo for $80 and up and a short time was never more than $10 and
  overnight was $20.that was in the late 70’s and early 80’s.most,not all but most guys who had a yobo from any other clubs were sorry.some, however got married and still are to this day like my best friend mike who married his old lady out of the johnny bar and there still married today,they live in colorado,Im in maine
  weve been friends 30yrs this year,I was married to a korean girl too,we had 2 beautifull kids,she died of a brain annurism in 06.I find myself looking back to those first 2 tours over there,I did 7 in all.I wonder,what ever happened to all those girls that never
  got a tickett out of that place,believe me guys it aint the same there as it was in those years,what I wouldnt give to go back,not to korea,but to korea in those years
  I served a few tours in panmunjiom and in seoul,I served with 1st ranger bn in grenada,panama and 3rd bn in somalia.very proud of all of it,but them 2 first tours in the rok were the best.by the way jim,I was in B co. 1/38th same time you were there, well 82-83,maybe we knew each other.would like to email and exchange pics with guys that were there.

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• The Lion
  4:23 pm on August 4th, 2008 73

  hey Earl what unit u in

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• motordaddy
  5:07 pm on August 4th, 2008 74

  Hey Guys new to the site, couldn’t help but notice some first hand knowledge, was there a couple of times Camp Howze, Hovey and Casey. Anyone remember the parisite club at camp pellam? when I was there it was the wild wild west and everyone got buck wild (WHO YOU WITH) biggest thing was the gang’s like the Western Corrandor Posse (WCP),
  Being real does anyone know how I an get a new Manchu Belt Buckle mine broke got it when I was with 1/9 IN 2ID doing the Manchu Mile?

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• MIchael
  3:52 pm on August 12th, 2008 75

  Man, I just stumbled on to this and have read all the post and found it to bring back some fond memories. I was with B Co. 44th engineers Combat Heavy Camp Nimble 84′-85′ as a mechanic/recovery specilist and got to see and do many things others didn’t because the position.(lifting and loading in remote locations. (hill tops) ect. We had a remote location in Munsan as we built 4P3 fire base and one late afternoon a M54 dump truck with troop racks and troops GI’s and Katusa’s were heading back to Munsan from a day of M-16 qualifing at Casey and the driver fell asleep at the wheel and the 2nd Lt shot gun was asleep also the truck went off the road and into a turtle trap and flip doing about 3 cartwheels sending bodys every where but there were no fatilitys one katusa was pherlysed from the waist down. I still have some pic’s from when I was there .Thank you for all your input and sorry for the spelling errors.

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• Ancient Soldier
  11:35 am on September 5th, 2008 76

  Although this is mostly a dead thread now, reading through it brought back some memories. My last time there was in 1970 and from the above article; I don’t think I’d even recognize it now. Kind saying this with tongue in cheek but I guess they did away with the Moose Chute at the front gate? (I know that’s not PR, but it is both a historical and a hysterical memory.) I spent two tours in Korea, a total of 32 months. 19 months at Casey. Along with the 7th ID, I taught at the Wightman NCO Academy when it was at Casey. I understand it moved and has a new name these days. Our crest was the Compass Rose on a white background, but I guess that has changed as well. Well heck, it’s only been 38 years, I can’t understand the place changing so soon.

  I wouldn’t mind coming back to take a look, but that is kind of out of the question now. I’m one of them sexy senior citizens now living the good life.

  Good article…thanks for posting it.

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• Earl
  4:06 am on September 8th, 2008 77

  i am in 6-37 FA

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  Rocket 3 Ancient
  April 21st, 2009 at 4:20 am

  You are so busted

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• camp casey drinky girls - Dogpile Web Search
  4:09 am on September 22nd, 2008 78

  [...] summer camp… Sponsored by: http://www.chippewaranchcamp.com/ • Found on Ads by Google A Profile of the “TDC Ville” Camp Casey front gate, with Soyo Mountain in the background. I once saw a soldier … The majority [...]

• TONY
  8:18 am on September 23rd, 2008 79

  AIGHT LET ME GIVE U THE RUN DOWN OF TOKO-RI. TOKO-RI IS THE SPOT WHERE U GO TO UNDERAGE DRINK IF U UNDERAGE, OR WANT SOME JUICY p***y. I WAS A MP THERE AND GRANTED NOBODY WENT OUT TO TOKO-RI, BUT WHEN U WANTED TO GET AWAY FROM THE CRAZINESS OF TDC, U GO THERE. WHEN I WAS AT CASEY IN 07, THERE WERE ONLY TWO CPP, THAT WOULD PATROL, AND MP’S WOULD COME OUT THERE ONCE A NIGHT. SO BASICALLY U CAN DO WATEVER U WANT. THERE WERE A COUPLE CLUBS LEFT WHEN I LEFT. THERE IS BLACKJACK, BOUNCE, RUBY, B&B, AND TWO MORE WHICH NAMES I CANT THINK OF. BUT U NEED TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE ITS A MP HANGOUT LOL

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• Steve Dudas
  8:36 am on September 24th, 2008 80

  I served with the 7th Infantry Division, HHC, 2/32nd, in Camp Hovey from October 1966 until December 1968, although actually some of that time was spent down south in Camp Howard after the Pueblo Incident and the North Korean attack on the Blue House (Korea’s White House). I loved that tour so much that I actually extended my 13 month tour twice in order to stay longer. Toko-ri was a great little village with the usual amount of ‘activities’ for GI’s. Back then we were required to be in uniform when off post for anyone stationed north of Seoul. I still remember walking back to camp in my underwear because a slicky boy snuck into my village hootch and stole my uniform. I lived with my yobo who I paid on a monthly basis, $15 I think. It was a little insurance against VD as if you had a regular yobo your chances of catching anything were somewhat reduced – though not guaranteed. From reading the postings and Google earthing that area, it would seem that Camp Hovey and Toko-ri have changed a lot in the last 39 years. I still miss that place but I imagine that the Toko-ri I knew is long gone. What I wouldn’t give for a teapot of Makli and a dish of oma rice – 15 won each at the time. Bulgogi was about 100 won I think. Makli was a little yuckie for the first little teacup but by the time you started on your third, you were pretty blitzed. And these were those little pinkie teacups. I could go on but it would take many many pages to unravel the stories I could tell. Everything back then was a Magical Mystery tour, enhanced of course by the local herb – which back then was fairly mellow by today’s standards, so I’ve heard. It was good for kicking back and listening to Hendrix or the Butterfield Blues band and still being able to maintain if the law showed up. More later. If anyone was there around that era, drop me a line. Steed4660@aol.com. If you’re the MP’s still looking for me and my two friends, Jim and Larry, the Statute of Limitations has run out on almost everything we did back then.

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• Earl
  2:44 pm on September 26th, 2008 81

  the other club in tokorie is hoovey club and fox woods club

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• Saber22
  7:18 pm on October 9th, 2008 82

  I was stationed at Camp Hovey from 05-06, 4-7 CAV, Tokori was just out the gate. When me and partners would roll to the TDC ville, we would hit up Tokori as an after party spot before hitting the backgate at curfew….When I left in 06, Tokori was pretty dead as most have said more MP’s and CP’s than GI’s. Does any remember the Adashi taxi cab suicide rides from TDC to the the Tokori backgate?…, if you were stationed on camp Hovey and didn’t want to walk back to the Casey gate,you told Adashi “bali bali” and this cat would be doing 50 to 70 mph through a compacted residential area to get you to the back gate in time…those were the scariest cab rides ever, but we always made curfew.

  I didn’t see the midget when I was there, I heard that she got married, but anyway does anybody remember the B & B club and the Eve club there and the Foxwoods club. The Foxwood club had very high back booths to conceal the drinky girl from the customer while they were being entertained. There were some real sluts there, and the girls took turns on looking out for MP and CP’s while you were getting a blowjob.

  The girls there had a little game where they would charge $40.00 for a blow job, but they would turn in $20.00 for the drink… so, they had to make you bust real quick….There was a chick named “Rose” that could give head like a champ she’d bring the drink back from the bar and dive like a submarine. While I was waiting on my battlebuddy, I saw her head bobbing thru an opening in the booth. You’d swear that girl had a mechanical device in her neck.

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• Korean Job Discussion Forums :: View topic - waht's up in Dongducheon?
  4:06 am on November 15th, 2008 83

  [...] I live up by that way but I tend to avoid it but it’s one of those one time trip things a lot of American and other international restaurants catering to solders and foreign factory workers. Cheap clothing. A lot of people speak english and you can get American money if you miss the feel of it. Here’s a site to tell you more. http://rokdrop.com/2007/08/14/a-profile-of-the-tdc-ville/ [...]

• A Walking Tour of the TDC Ville
  5:03 am on November 24th, 2008 84

  [...] Here is a video that two brothers stationed at Camp Casey have posted of a walking tour they conducted of the TDC Ville in Dongducheon, Korea. [...]

• Korey
  1:14 am on November 26th, 2008 85

  Aight.. Well I married a Juicy girl, and i’ll tell you what I would NEVER marry me an american girl. She is the most caring, person I have every met. They are really old school pretty much. They basically slave to there husbands, even tho my wife knows I hate that, i can still do S*** on my own. We have a 2 month and hes my pride and joy, So you know Yeah you have bad Filipina juicy girls that f*** for money, but you gotta look whos paying for it, YEAH THE GI. Then you have other filipina girls that would NEVER do that and have more respect for themselfs and there bodys then anyother person, so you have your good and bad GI’s and your Good and Bad FIlipina girls. If you havent been to the philippines you wouldnt understand why these girls work here and support there familys. I’ve been to the philippines twice, and where my wife lives, Im basically staying in the field, and im not talking about like warrior base in korea by the DMZ Im talking about tent style shit, So Give some respect to some, The clubs that do most of the hooken is in Tokrie, My wifes club shut down at curfew, and didnt do that shit, you know how i knew that after curfew they were closed. Because Ima MP and i could go check, and she was there in the room everynight, bc i would go do curfew club checks and talk to her while i was out. So Stop hating on some, If you wanna hate on girls, try Female GI’s talk about clearing barrels when they get here, I think they are ALOT WORSE then FIlipina or korea girls. and you dont even have to pay them.

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• robby
  6:26 am on January 2nd, 2009 86

  i was just recently in the camp casey ville on new years day. at one of the clubs, and yes there were some very beatiful filapinas in there.
  before i walked in i knew the intentions of this establishment. who does
  not know that yet? all the girls wanting something except one i played in pool and lost i was expecting her or the owner to make me pay up. but
  instead i bought her a drink anyway and sat with her a good part of the night talking to her about why shes here and what she does. i explained to her that i know she did not come here for this and that she diserves better. she agreed 100% with me and she was aware of what this was doing to her she does not want this. i asked her still got a passport with you she says yes i say then go leave theres better things out there for you. it got to the point where i felt sorry for her in a serious carring manner. a question about marrage came up by her and i honestly did not know what to say. with any other situation and any other girl there that question would of never came up. but with this girl i gave a motion like you ask and there would be a possibility of a yes. nothing like that came up again but i know she wanted to ask.
  anyone smart would get to know somebody before marrage would even talked about but at that point i just wanted to help her. i’ll see her again, i only have 2 months left here and if shes for real i will push for it
  in this little amount of time and to expose the place to athorities to get the rest free to persue better lifes. (just curious any gi who has merried a filipina here where do you go and what do you have to do to make that happen and how long would the process take to get them to the u.s. just wondering. some advice to all, most drinky girls are aware and ok with there situation but for those few who are not ok with it
  and tell you and mean it do something about it im not condoning marrage
  but at least help by expressing the honest truth of theres a better life out there,and help expose whats realy going on in these places. who knows maybe in the years to come there wont be this problem. because it should of never been like this to begin with. happy new year

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• Kmandyk
  9:01 pm on January 3rd, 2009 87

  Go to the USFK website and find the policy letter on marrying a foreign national. It explains step-by-step what a soldier would need to do. Your command would need to be involved too based on a policy update by General Bell a few years ago.
  The process takes time. For example, the Filipino embassy must provide proof that the woman is not currently married in the Philipines.
  It seems unwise to marry someone that you don’t know. Why would you want to let yourself be used? Many of these women try to get pregnant as quickly as possible so you are obligated to them. If you want to help, don’t go to those establishments, and encourage your friends not to go. Getting married will not change anything.

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• Leon LaPorte
  10:46 pm on January 3rd, 2009 88

  Don’t even think about hooking up with this girl.

  There are a few bars in the ville which are not “juicy bars” and do not human traffic. Go to those.

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• Saber22
  12:22 am on January 4th, 2009 89

  Just be careful with this young lady. Wanting to marry her so quickly, she’ll basically become your future ex-wife as you are marry someone you dont know very well. I know it seems honorable and noble to be the “happily ever after,” for this girl’s situation, but understand marrying you is her conduit to a much better life than she could’ve ever imagined

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• RAYMOND
  1:19 am on January 4th, 2009 90

  I WAS STATION AT CAMP CASTLE 1990 TO 1990 AS I READ THIS I SEE THAT THE VILLE HAS CHANGE ALOT FROM THE CLUBS TO CURFEW ON THE WEEKENDS IT DIDNT CLOSE UNTILL 2AM

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• RAYMOND
  1:22 am on January 4th, 2009 91

  FROM 1990 TO 1991 HAD A BLAST

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• SgtRock
  6:19 pm on January 5th, 2009 92

  I married a Korean girl in 1979. She was a bar tender at the Oasis club in TDC. I was a 19 year old private. Back then there were only Koreans working the clubs, no Filipinos or Russians. This comming March will be are 30th anniversary. She is in the kitchen right now making jam bong (spicy seafood stew). We are going to Korea for are anniversary. We will be staying in Seoul but we may take a trip to TDC just to see how it has grown. She has a friend that still lives there.

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• Saber22
  8:30 pm on January 5th, 2009 93

  Congrats SGT Rock on your 30th anniversary, sounds like you found a pretty nice woman back then as a young private. Sadly today, the vast majority of third country national females in the ville that a young soldier would marry today have d**k on their breath from human trafficking and prostitution, and unfortunately not all of them desire an American service member as a spouse for the right reasons.

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• kdryan
  1:47 pm on March 9th, 2009 94

  The more things change, the more they stay the same. I was stationed at Casey in ‘85 through ‘86 and I wish I could say I was intelligent enough to stay away from the Ville. But I was 18 and stupid, so I didn’t. There were only Korean girls as I remember, and you couldn’t go into the Turkey Farm because underage girls were working there. I got caught in there once, and never went there again.

  The price for a drink then was $3.00 to $5.00 and a short time (one time) was $10.00. An overnight was $20.00 and was just as described. I’m amazed my wallet never got lifted on that…

  Looking back, I wish I had gotten out into the country more with my KATUSA room mate rather than spending all my time chasing girls. It would have been interesting to see the country and learn more about the culture.

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  King dog
  April 4th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

  I also was sationed at camp casey 1984 to 1985 fresh out of high shcool man it was a new exsperience for me it was wild i was 18 I was in A co 702 maintanace.Me and the guys called ourselves the dog.We would find each other in the ville by barking a boo a boo ru ru.Drinking soju and silvac hanging at the club UnderGround,getting taylor made clothes.Im still looking for some of my buddies its a shame in the milatary we known by last name I never knew any of my buddies fist name if you are out ther look me up ;JUdy ;Auston;Porter;D.A. Nash;Jones;Pope;Knox;Sgt Acoff;

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• kdryan
  1:50 pm on March 9th, 2009 95

  Oh, and the big attraction at Yonjigo at the time was blond hookers. I got up there a couple of times.

  My tank crew did win a trip down to Cheju Do, for placing second in the division on the firing range. Beautiful place, as I remember…

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• IMONTOP4x4
  10:55 pm on March 22nd, 2009 96

  . Im not sure how i found the blog, but man i must say it is so funny. ‘03-’08 stationed in korea. Married a school teacher. Not a juicy. Been with them all until i found what i was looking for. Korean, canadian, phil, russ, tialand. Had a hell of of time, that’s why i stayed. 1st stationed in Seoul, then k-16, then camp carroll. here’s what i got to say to the guy that would think the highly of the juicy…. narf. don’t do it pinky. I was a E-3, in the unit 3 day, guy went a-wall chasein’ his new wife to the philippines. Basically they got married and she went a-wall on him.

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• JC29
  9:58 pm on March 28th, 2009 97

  Wow and I thought I was having a good time after reading all the stories about the 70’s-80’sand 90’s I think I have been cheated ! but no I love it here I am at CRC and spend a lot of time in Uijongbu of course but I have made a couple trips to Itawon which is overun by CP nowadays and have yet to go to TDC for pleasure but we spend a alot of time at Casey working and I was shocked to see the amount of filipinos on post with their litte strollers lol but after talking to some folks and reading post on here it all makes sense. I like to go out and drink and meet women we all do but to anyone in country right now or who is on the way just make sure you take some time to see what Korea is really all about go visit a temple go hiking get away from your Camp and meet the people of Korea this counrty is wonderfull so see all you can of it not just the part connected to a bottle or a juicy !

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• Richyrich03867
  1:52 pm on March 30th, 2009 98

  I was an Army MP stationed at Camp Casey ‘79-’80. TDC was a wild and nasty place back then, being “downrange” on a payday Saturday night was downright scarey. There was a bus that ran from Gate 1 back to Hovey, and on that Saturday payday the last bus ran at 0030 hrs and was usually a rolling riot. An MP had to board it halfway through the trip to quell some disturbance between grunts and tankers – they stripped this dude naked, cuffed him to the railing and stole his .45. I NEVER went on that friggin bus alone!

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  SgtRock
  April 5th, 2009 at 11:25 am

  Hey Richy, I was at Camp Casey from Aug 78 to Aug 79. Our baracks and motorpool were over by gate II. I remember your company commander was busted selling appliances and electronics on the black market. A Company 702nd Maint Bn Tech Supply Sgt was busted for selling parts including tracks for tanks and dozers among other things to the ROK army. Everyone was supplimenting there income one way or another. Coffie, alcohol, tobbaco rations where good as gold. We used to get the turtles to give us there rations before they found out what they where worth.

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• Bruce
  4:22 pm on March 30th, 2009 99

  You guys that think the 70s and 80s were wild, you should of been there in the early 60s before SOFA. I Swear, it was the Wild West in Olive Drab.

  I wish they would have had pin on rank back then. It would of saved me a bunch. I was E2 2 or 3 times, PFC 3 times, Sp4 once. My Plt Sgt told me I would of went from E2 to E5 easy if would just stay on post.

  I Remember one night in early Winter when we were wearing the old OG wool uniforms, me and my buddy were very late heading back for bed check. We were at a Makgeolli House, and it was all we could do to walk. Well, we taking a short cut across some rice paddles, and I miss judged a turn. I ended up right in one of those special places in the corner where they pump the out houses into. My buddy helped me out, and then we were real late. When we got to Gate 1, the MPS took us over to the Desk Sgt. He told them to get us out of there, and to let us walk back to our unit. I guess that was one time having a centrally located latrine was good. We got in the shower with our OGs on, and washed, then pulled them off and showered. We left the cloths outside the quonset hut, and dried off, and went to bed.

  In the morning, my squad leader wanted to know why our OG were wet, hanging on the mop rack. I Told him he would not believe me if I told him. What memories…..

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• Steve Dudas
  6:46 pm on March 30th, 2009 100

  This is a continuation of my earlier comments (#80)about my years in Tokori with the 7th Infantry Division. Back then, all the ‘business’ girls (as they were called back then, not juicy girls) were strictly Korean girls. Never saw any girls from elsewhere – other than maybe the American Donut Dollies who came around a couple of times a month to each company. These were basically American girls who were working over there in some kind of USO status. They were off limits or were supposed to be. They were all looking for young single officers ala An Officer and a Gentleman. I guess what shocks me most about the recent pictures of the villages is paved roads. Nothing was paved back then in the villages. When it rained, the deuce and a halfs coming through Tokori would rock and slide all over the thing they called a road. Inevitably a villager would claim he was run over by whatever military vehicle had most recently passed through the village. All part of the game. We had the Niagara Club, the New Seoul Club and a few others that kept things lively. Officers weren’t allowed to go into any village north of Seoul so it was all enlisted men. The MP’s rarely came into the villages to screw with anyone. When you came out the Camp Hovey gate, it was about 200 feet to the village with the river on your left and a mountain on your right. Once in the village, you would reach a fork, one road going up a hill and then on into TDC via Kimchi bus if you so desired. The other road bore left and would take you out of town into rice paddies and hills. A friend of mine and I took our yobos (girlfriends) for a long walk out that road along the river where we all went skinny dipping. My yobo, Jin, and I took off up the river a little bit and did the nasty on a flat rock in the middle of the river. Pretty risque stuff for a Korean girl to be doing back in those days, even if she was a hooker. The local farmers would have beat us to death if they had caught us. They weren’t real fond of us boinking their women in the first place. I was 20. What did I know? It was all very rustic and grungy back then. I enjoyed every single minute of it, even those long walks back to my barracks (corrugated metal quanset huts with space heaters) just before midnight with the temperatures below zero and the wind blowing through the mountains.

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• Flores
  2:45 am on March 31st, 2009 101

  Korea 88-89 and 90-91 2nd Tank

  Oh the good old days I wish I could go back in time………….Drag your ass in before the gate close and get yourself a whopper off the mobile burger king truck… auhhhhhhhhh

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  Ddee
  May 18th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

  I see this sight is filled with the male species. Didn’t any of you hang out with any of the female soldiers. I arrived in June of 1987 did 18 months and rotated out December 1988. I was at 2nd ID HHC G1, Camp Casey, Admin Clerk,and lived at the back of the base. Of course I was 19 and lots of energy. We used to have to run to other camps, hump the mountains, train, train and oh yeah train. So on weekends my friends and I would hit the TDC and spend our paychecks. Of course we went down the alley more often then not. We usually always missed the last bus and walked the 2 miles back to barracks. Staying out of the turtle ditches was no easy matter after a night out of drinking. Our 1st Sgt didn’t care what we did as long as we made it to formation before him the next morning. I used to always want to go back as a civilian and live in Korea. But after I saw the pictures of the modernization of TDC, maybe not. I liked the rawness of the old not the brightness of the new. I probably ran into a few of you back then, I had tanker friends as well. I also went to Seoul when the Olympics started. What a sight. Later

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  D. Turmel
  June 25th, 2009 at 8:35 pm

  Well yes, we had a lot of great females in our unit and we would go downrange with them…..or there were parties in the barracks, or maybe even a train ride to Seoul for the long weekends. The Dragon Hill Lodge was very nice….

  I understand what you mean about the modernization of TDC. Some of the attraction of Korea is its otherworldliness. In America things are a little too well-organized, the streets a little too straight. In Korea, the winding alleyways and streets fascinate me, the labyrinth of the towns or even of Seoul. The surprise of the unknown. And soldiers enjoy things being a little wild and unpredictable. I don’t think Americans relish disorder, but sometimes the order in America is boring. So Korea is a great place to explore….

  As I’ve mentioned further down in this thread, I’m continuing to upload Korea photos at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/svobodnik/

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• King dog
  6:05 pm on April 4th, 2009 102

  being stationed at camp casey is one tour of duty i will never forget i had goodtimes and bad times but i loved the ville it was a young single mans paradise

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• Wiles
  10:53 pm on May 27th, 2009 103

  Just found the site, reading all of the posts sure brings back some great memories. I was stationed in B. co. 702 maint. on Hovey from 88-90. I read the trivia questions early on about the lotto lay at the Ace club and the Olympus club burning down. I also remember the wreck in Tokori that killed 8 people because I was the passenger in the wrecker. Pretty scary ride and I also have some pretty graphic pictures of the wreck site. Sure sad to hear about Tokori dying like you all say it is. We spent about everynight in that little village and I can safely say it was some of the best times I have ever had. I married a gal from Tokori and we just celebrated our 19th anniversary. Thanks for posting it sure has been fun reading them. “Warrior Maintenance!”

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• Spc Eaves
  11:02 am on May 28th, 2009 104

  This site is awesome! I don’t even remember how I stumbled onto it, but I’ve spent the better part of an hour reading and remembering. I was at Greaves from 98-01 and spent a lot of time (well weekends really) at TDC. My favorite place was the Starz club. They had the most beautiful Filipinas in there. I spent so much money on one girl there! Damn, this has been awesome reading all these posts!

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• tongmul
  8:17 pm on June 3rd, 2009 105

  Korea went down hill when the Korean girls left the bars. Some fun pokin the PI girls and the Russians………Would make me want to stay home.

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• D. Turmel
  7:17 am on June 13th, 2009 106

  Hey,

  Nice website – I need to sit down and read through all the comments….

  I have photos of the “Together Club” or “T-club” (Tongducheon) on my Flickr site. Circa 1993-1994. I’m also starting to upload the rest of my Korea photos of Camp Hovey, etc.

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/svobodnik/

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• Rich V
  7:57 pm on June 25th, 2009 107

  Great site to remember the old days;
  1986-88 B Co, 2 AVN UH-1 driver, 1991-1992 C Trp 5/17 Cav Cobra driver.
  Yes the Infamous ToKori Midget did exist, a buddy of mine (honestly not me) was a midget miester in 1992, I don’t remember seeing her back in 1987. Downrange TDC was much better in the mid 80’s( 30-40$ for an O-Nite vs 80-100$ in 92.) All the girls were Han Guk, best looking were in the Peace and NY club which absolutly sucked. T club was great in those days, I started the dollar bill on the ceiling thing. You could also hook up with a non-Business Korean girl in some of dance clubs. Got overly involved with a NY Club girl and had to ETS in 94. Should have stayed in Germany after Desert Storm rather than going back to 2ID.

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  D. Turmel
  June 25th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

  Oh – you were the one that started the dollars on the ceiling? Wow, that club was plastered with dollars by the time I arrived in 1993…

  What I do remember was just after I arrived, the new leadership got rid of the “Warrior Pass”. I can’t remember exactly, but it was part of the restrictions for getting on/off post?? I remember sitting in the T-Club around December 1993 watching people burn their Warrior Pass…..good times!! To this day the smells of fresh and stale beer and cigarette smoke still remind me of being downrange.

  I never got to go to Germany…but I remember when we deployed for Desert Shield to Saudi Arabia, we sat in a tent waiting for the rest of the unit to arrive and I listened to hours of people reminiscing about Germany.

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