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		<title>By: GAO Report Cites Improved Security and Limited Political Progress at Forward Deployed</title>
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		<dc:creator>GAO Report Cites Improved Security and Limited Political Progress at Forward Deployed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 11:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I have demonstrated before when dealing with government reports quoted in the media it is best to read the actual reports [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Attacking General Petraeus&#8217; Combat Action Badge at Forward Deployed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Attacking General Petraeus&#8217; Combat Action Badge at Forward Deployed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] attempts by the anti-war left to discredit General Petraeus which is being led by both Moveon.org and the Daily Kos has gotten even more desperate as they are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] attempts by the anti-war left to discredit General Petraeus which is being led by both Moveon.org and the Daily Kos has gotten even more desperate as they are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ROK Drop Weekly Linklets - 23SEP07 at ROK Drop</title>
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		<dc:creator>ROK Drop Weekly Linklets - 23SEP07 at ROK Drop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 03:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] doing their jobs.  -  The sliming by the left of General Petraeus just doesn&#8217;t stop.  Like I have said before it because they are scared of him.-  Remembering 1LT Travis Manion.-  Leftist war hero goes to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] doing their jobs.  -  The sliming by the left of General Petraeus just doesn&#8217;t stop.  Like I have said before it because they are scared of him.-  Remembering 1LT Travis Manion.-  Leftist war hero goes to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Desperation to Destroy General Petraeus at Forward Deployed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desperation to Destroy General Petraeus at Forward Deployed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 03:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Moveon.org&#8217;s attempt to slime General Petraeus wasn&#8217;t bad enough, now the left&#8217;s desperation to slime him has reached even new lows [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Moveon.org&#8217;s attempt to slime General Petraeus wasn&#8217;t bad enough, now the left&#8217;s desperation to slime him has reached even new lows [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Senate Votes to Support the Troops, Condemns Moveon at Forward Deployed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Senate Votes to Support the Troops, Condemns Moveon at Forward Deployed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been a very bad week for the Democrats as the Senate has overwhelmingly voted 72-25 to condemn the Moveon.org attack ad on US General David Petraeus.  Here are the Senators that voted against condemning [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been a very bad week for the Democrats as the Senate has overwhelmingly voted 72-25 to condemn the Moveon.org attack ad on US General David Petraeus.  Here are the Senators that voted against condemning [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GI</title>
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		<dc:creator>GI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I live overseas I don&#039;t get CBS, NBC, or ABC so I don&#039;t know what they are reporting but on the cable news networks I have only seen Fox reporting the discount. 
 
Fox reported today that Giuliani ran his own ad in the NY Times today bashing Moveon.org, Hillary Clinton, and the rest of the Democrats.  That was a great move.  I used to be a big McCain supporter but now I&#039;m quickly becoming a Giuliani supporter. Expect a huge smear campaign against Guilliani from Moveon after the publishing of this ad. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I live overseas I don&#039;t get CBS, NBC, or ABC so I don&#039;t know what they are reporting but on the cable news networks I have only seen Fox reporting the discount. </p>
<p>Fox reported today that Giuliani ran his own ad in the NY Times today bashing Moveon.org, Hillary Clinton, and the rest of the Democrats.  That was a great move.  I used to be a big McCain supporter but now I&#039;m quickly becoming a Giuliani supporter. Expect a huge smear campaign against Guilliani from Moveon after the publishing of this ad.</p>
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		<title>By: Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1332355120070913&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN13323...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;NY Times criticized for ad attacking Petraeus&lt;/b&gt; 
 
By Claudia Parsons 
 
NEW YORK (Reuters) - An ad criticizing the top U.S. general in Iraq raised charges on Thursday that The New York Times slashed its advertising rates for political reasons -- an accusation denied by the paper. 
 
The ad by liberal anti-war group moveon.org ran on Monday, the day of Gen. David Petraeus&#039;s testimony to Congress about the war and how long U.S. forces will stay in Iraq. 
 
Moveon.org confirmed it paid $65,000 for the full page ad headlined &quot;General Petraeus or General Betray Us.&quot; 
 
The New York Post ran a story on Thursday asking why the basic rate of $181,692 for such an ad was discounted. 
 
&quot;Times Gives Lefties a Hefty Discount for &#039;Betray Us&#039; Ad,&quot; was the headline in the Post, owned by Rupert Murdoch&#039;s News Corp.. 
 
Times spokeswoman Catherine Mathis denied the rate charged indicated a political bias and said it was the paper&#039;s policy not to disclose the rate paid by any advertiser. 
 
&quot;We do not distinguish the advertising rates based on the political content of the ad,&quot; Mathis told Reuters. 
 
&quot;The advertising folks did not see the content of the ad before the rate was quoted,&quot; she said, adding that there were over 30 different categories of ads with varying rates. 
 
Mathis confirmed the open rate for an ad of that size and type was around $181,000. Among reasons for lower rates are advertisers buying in bulk or taking a standby rate, she said. 
 
&quot;There are many instances when we have published opinion advertisements that run counter to the stance we take on our own editorial pages,&quot; she said. 
 
&#039;COOKING THE BOOKS&#039; 
 
The ad in the main news section of the Times accused Petraeus of &quot;cooking the books for the White House.&quot; 
 
Rudy Giuliani, a leading candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, criticized the Times over the ad which he called a &quot;character assassination&quot; of Petraeus. 
 
&quot;(I) call upon The New York Times to give us the same rate, the heavily discounted rate they gave moveon.org for that abominable ad,&quot; the former New York mayor told reporters in Atlanta, adding he would be seeking to place an ad on Friday. 
 
The ad angered Republicans, including Rep. Duncan Hunter of California, a presidential candidate who brought it to the Petraeus hearing on Monday and waved the ad in the air, telling lawmakers he was &quot;irritated&quot; by it. 
 
Jeff Jarvis, a journalism professor who blogs on media at buzzmachine.com, said the key question for the Times was could any other political or advocacy group get the same rate under the same circumstances. 
 
&quot;The quandary the Times gets stuck in is they don&#039;t want to admit you can buy an ad for that rate, no matter who you are,&quot; Jarvis said, noting that with print advertising revenues in decline newspapers generally did offer big discounts. 
 
On a more general note, Jarvis said U.S. papers should emulate their counterparts in Britain where, for example, The Guardian makes no effort to hide its liberal stance. 
 
&quot;In the U.S., I would argue newspapers should be more transparent and open about the views taken ... and the (New York) Times is liberal,&quot; he said.&lt;/blockquote&gt; </description>
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<blockquote><p><b>NY Times criticized for ad attacking Petraeus</b> </p>
<p>By Claudia Parsons </p>
<p>NEW YORK (Reuters) &#8211; An ad criticizing the top U.S. general in Iraq raised charges on Thursday that The New York Times slashed its advertising rates for political reasons &#8212; an accusation denied by the paper. </p>
<p>The ad by liberal anti-war group moveon.org ran on Monday, the day of Gen. David Petraeus&#039;s testimony to Congress about the war and how long U.S. forces will stay in Iraq. </p>
<p>Moveon.org confirmed it paid $65,000 for the full page ad headlined &quot;General Petraeus or General Betray Us.&quot; </p>
<p>The New York Post ran a story on Thursday asking why the basic rate of $181,692 for such an ad was discounted. </p>
<p>&quot;Times Gives Lefties a Hefty Discount for &#039;Betray Us&#039; Ad,&quot; was the headline in the Post, owned by Rupert Murdoch&#039;s News Corp.. </p>
<p>Times spokeswoman Catherine Mathis denied the rate charged indicated a political bias and said it was the paper&#039;s policy not to disclose the rate paid by any advertiser. </p>
<p>&quot;We do not distinguish the advertising rates based on the political content of the ad,&quot; Mathis told Reuters. </p>
<p>&quot;The advertising folks did not see the content of the ad before the rate was quoted,&quot; she said, adding that there were over 30 different categories of ads with varying rates. </p>
<p>Mathis confirmed the open rate for an ad of that size and type was around $181,000. Among reasons for lower rates are advertisers buying in bulk or taking a standby rate, she said. </p>
<p>&quot;There are many instances when we have published opinion advertisements that run counter to the stance we take on our own editorial pages,&quot; she said. </p>
<p>&#039;COOKING THE BOOKS&#039; </p>
<p>The ad in the main news section of the Times accused Petraeus of &quot;cooking the books for the White House.&quot; </p>
<p>Rudy Giuliani, a leading candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, criticized the Times over the ad which he called a &quot;character assassination&quot; of Petraeus. </p>
<p>&quot;(I) call upon The New York Times to give us the same rate, the heavily discounted rate they gave moveon.org for that abominable ad,&quot; the former New York mayor told reporters in Atlanta, adding he would be seeking to place an ad on Friday. </p>
<p>The ad angered Republicans, including Rep. Duncan Hunter of California, a presidential candidate who brought it to the Petraeus hearing on Monday and waved the ad in the air, telling lawmakers he was &quot;irritated&quot; by it. </p>
<p>Jeff Jarvis, a journalism professor who blogs on media at buzzmachine.com, said the key question for the Times was could any other political or advocacy group get the same rate under the same circumstances. </p>
<p>&quot;The quandary the Times gets stuck in is they don&#039;t want to admit you can buy an ad for that rate, no matter who you are,&quot; Jarvis said, noting that with print advertising revenues in decline newspapers generally did offer big discounts. </p>
<p>On a more general note, Jarvis said U.S. papers should emulate their counterparts in Britain where, for example, The Guardian makes no effort to hide its liberal stance. </p>
<p>&quot;In the U.S., I would argue newspapers should be more transparent and open about the views taken &#8230; and the (New York) Times is liberal,&quot; he said.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: GI</title>
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		<dc:creator>GI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw this discount the NY Times gave Moveon.org on Fox News which has been hammering the NY Times on this rightfully so.  Unfortunately, may be I missed it, but I did not see CNN or other mainstream media running the same story.  It kind of lets you know who&#039; side their on. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this discount the NY Times gave Moveon.org on Fox News which has been hammering the NY Times on this rightfully so.  Unfortunately, may be I missed it, but I did not see CNN or other mainstream media running the same story.  It kind of lets you know who&#039; side their on.</p>
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		<title>By: bodhi</title>
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		<dc:creator>bodhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To further bolster your assertion that the NY Times &amp; MoveOn.org are working together to destroy General Petraeus check out this link to NewsBusters  &lt;a href=&quot;http://(http://newsbusters.org/blogs/terry-trippany/2007/09/11/moveon-org-gets-discount-rate-betray-us-advocacy-ad&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;(http://newsbusters.org/blogs/terry-trippany/2007/09/11/moveon-org-gets-discount-rate-betray-us-advocacy-ad&lt;/a&gt; ). It&#039;s a disgusting bit of behavior from the Times... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To further bolster your assertion that the NY Times &amp; MoveOn.org are working together to destroy General Petraeus check out this link to NewsBusters  <a href="http://(http://newsbusters.org/blogs/terry-trippany/2007/09/11/moveon-org-gets-discount-rate-betray-us-advocacy-ad" rel="nofollow">(</a><a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/terry-trippany/2007/09/11/moveon-org-gets-discount-rate-betray-us-advocacy-ad" rel="nofollow">http://newsbusters.org/blogs/terry-trippany/2007/09/11/moveon-org-gets-discount-rate-betray-us-advocacy-ad</a> ). It&#039;s a disgusting bit of behavior from the Times&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NPR – National Peoples Radio at Area Studies</title>
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		<dc:creator>NPR – National Peoples Radio at Area Studies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Don’t miss the dissection of anti-Petraeus charges at Forward Deployed. [...]</description>
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