Comments on: Hostages Beaten and Forced to Convert to Islam http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/ Serving on the Forgotten Frontier Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:42:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Dan http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-75154 Dan Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:10:24 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-75154 Bones, Me thinks that the are correct. As for them being forgotten, well Koreans, like Americans, have a very short memory. Except for events that can be used to promote their "victimhood" status. These live on forever. Examples are the 2002 traffic accident which was spoken of as near murder, will never be forgotten. While the VT shooter, which was murder, is seldom remembered. If the church goers can be used to promote "victimhood", they will live on. If not, then they will be forgotten very quickly. Bones, Me thinks that the are correct.

As for them being forgotten, well Koreans, like Americans, have a very short memory. Except for events that can be used to promote their “victimhood” status. These live on forever.
Examples are the 2002 traffic accident which was spoken of as near murder, will never be forgotten. While the VT shooter, which was murder, is seldom remembered.

If the church goers can be used to promote “victimhood”, they will live on. If not, then they will be forgotten very quickly.

]]> By: Bones http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-75090 Bones Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:44:54 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-75090 Me thinks they went into survivor mode. The situation they were in they would have converted to anything until they got back home. They have bills and credibility on their minds....so you can best believe they are praying to Muhammad, Buddah , Mr. Jesus H.Christ and any other religious honchos that's out there. It's gonna be years before Korea forgets them. Me thinks they went into survivor mode. The situation they were in they would have converted to anything until they got back home. They have bills and credibility on their minds….so you can best believe they are praying to Muhammad, Buddah , Mr. Jesus H.Christ and any other religious honchos that’s out there. It’s gonna be years before Korea forgets them.

]]> By: Dan http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-75026 Dan Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:00:27 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-75026 Aurora, I have heard from multiple sources, during and since by deployment to Iraq in 04, that the Iraqi males have a saying: "men are for fun, women are for breeding". We seem to be concerned that the females were --- used. I don't believe this to be the case. Asian and my own kind, I believe to be more prone to this, than the Iraqi males. It seems they don't much care about females for "play time". What a culture! Hollywood should love them! Of course, there are always exceptions to the rule. Bottom line for me, They shouldn't have gone to a war zone with no backup or guards. They acted like it was a camping trip. I only hope they are wiser now. There are people who are willing to die for what they believe in. I think that is what their trip was intended ( in the true sense ) to show. A group of CHRISTIANS went to the Hospital. In the sprit of____________fill in the blank. Before you attack me, let me say, I "might" have been the first to "mutter in Korean". I hope not, cause I don't know how I would live with myself afterward. My self-respect is most important to me. Sorry if I seem unfeeling. I'm not. Aurora, I have heard from multiple sources, during and since by deployment to Iraq in 04, that the Iraqi males have a saying: “men are for fun, women are for breeding”.
We seem to be concerned that the females were — used. I don’t believe this to be the case. Asian and my own kind, I believe to be more prone to this, than the Iraqi males. It seems they don’t much care about females for “play time”. What a culture! Hollywood should love them!
Of course, there are always exceptions to the rule.

Bottom line for me, They shouldn’t have gone to a war zone with no backup or guards. They acted like it was a camping trip. I only hope they are wiser now. There are people who are willing to die for what they believe in. I think that is what their trip was intended ( in the true sense ) to show. A group of CHRISTIANS went to the Hospital. In the sprit of____________fill in the blank.

Before you attack me, let me say, I “might” have been the first to “mutter in Korean”. I hope not, cause I don’t know how I would live with myself afterward. My self-respect is most important to me.
Sorry if I seem unfeeling. I’m not.

]]> By: Aurora http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-74812 Aurora Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:38:31 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-74812 I don't think they see the 'muttering some words in Korean' as a conversion to Muslims. And those who judge them haven't yet been in a terrifying situation of being beaten, starved and facing death (not to mention possible multiple rape). Yes, it would have been better if they spat in their captors' faces but no matter what the case, they showed a huge amount of courage going there in the first place to offer aid in the hospital there. <i>Thanks for bringing a smile to my face this morning.</i> LLP, what a sad, sadistic excuse for a human being you are. You'll be smiling out of the other side of your face when what goes around comes around. Life has a way of paying you back for what you put into it. I don’t think they see the ‘muttering some words in Korean’ as a conversion to Muslims. And those who judge them haven’t yet been in a terrifying situation of being beaten, starved and facing death (not to mention possible multiple rape). Yes, it would have been better if they spat in their captors’ faces but no matter what the case, they showed a huge amount of courage going there in the first place to offer aid in the hospital there.

Thanks for bringing a smile to my face this morning.
LLP, what a sad, sadistic excuse for a human being you are. You’ll be smiling out of the other side of your face when what goes around comes around. Life has a way of paying you back for what you put into it.

]]> By: Dan http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-74359 Dan Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:27:11 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-74359 mcnut I like the youtube idea. mcnut

I like the youtube idea.

]]> By: mcnut http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-74327 mcnut Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:06:27 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-74327 i would publicly post a youtube video reconverting back to christianity and accidentily craping on my koran which happend to fall into my toilet! oooops! i would publicly post a youtube video reconverting back to christianity and accidentily craping on my koran which happend to fall into my toilet! oooops!

]]> By: Leon LaPorte http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-74320 Leon LaPorte Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:45:14 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-74320 It is ironic. Xian missionaries go to the Stan to convert those wicked mooslums and end up being converted, by force! No one expects the muslim inquisition! Thanks for bringing a smile to my face this morning. It is ironic. Xian missionaries go to the Stan to convert those wicked mooslums and end up being converted, by force! No one expects the muslim inquisition! Thanks for bringing a smile to my face this morning.

]]> By: Surabol http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-74311 Surabol Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:48:03 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-74311 They would eventuallly have to reveal the details of their captivity, though. Jill Carroll was actally forced to condemn the occupation on camera, and never meant a word of it. I think most christians (and God himself) realize that this "conversion" occurred under duress. If I remember correctly, Jill Carroll actually blasted her captors publicly after her release. She didn't shrink into a victim unwilling to speak out, so she exacted revenge on the kidnappers - in a way. I actually prefer if they didn't hold their tongue. They would eventuallly have to reveal the details of their captivity, though.

Jill Carroll was actally forced to condemn the occupation on camera, and never meant a word of it. I think most christians (and God himself) realize that this “conversion” occurred under duress.

If I remember correctly, Jill Carroll actually blasted her captors publicly after her release. She didn’t shrink into a victim unwilling to speak out, so she exacted revenge on the kidnappers - in a way.

I actually prefer if they didn’t hold their tongue.

]]> By: Dan http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-74299 Dan Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:07:56 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-74299 If I were them, I would have kept my mouth shut about that. If I had given up my faith because of discomfort, hard work, and threats; I would also be fearfull of letting my fellow Christians know about it. They profess to have faith in a man that endured all that, ten fold, and died a lingering and painfull death for them. I hope they are not looking for PITY. I will give them none. I'm not saying I would have done much better, cause I just don't know. BUT, if I was unsure of my strenght in my faith, I would not put myself in a situation where it might be tested to such extremes. As they did. How can they witness NOW? Why am I thinking of The Last Supper? OH, OH, JUDAS! That's why. If I were them, I would have kept my mouth shut about that. If I had given up my faith because of discomfort, hard work, and threats; I would also be fearfull of letting my fellow Christians know about it. They profess to have faith in a man that endured all that, ten fold, and died a lingering and painfull death for them.

I hope they are not looking for PITY. I will give them none.

I’m not saying I would have done much better, cause I just don’t know. BUT, if I was unsure of my strenght in my faith, I would not put myself in a situation where it might be tested to such extremes. As they did.

How can they witness NOW? Why am I thinking of The Last Supper? OH, OH, JUDAS! That’s why.

]]> By: Richardson http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-74239 Richardson Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:09:51 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/09/13/hostages-beaten-and-forced-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-74239 Sounds like they got a (very) small taste of what I might be like to be in a North Korean gulag. Sounds like they got a (very) small taste of what I might be like to be in a North Korean gulag.

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