If there weren’t convinced yet on how desperate the leftists are to slime anyone or anything supportive of the military look no further than the current Rush Limbaugh controversy. The leftist media organ, Media Matters carefully edited an audio recording of Rush Limbaugh during his radio show in order to create the appearance that Limbaugh called any soldiers that disagreed with the war effort "phony soldiers". However, if you actually listen to the full recording that continues after where Media Matters cut off Limbaugh you would clearly see he meant phony soldiers like Jessie Macbeth that he mentioned by name:
I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much. I gotta — Here is a morning update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. And they have their celebrities. One of them was Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth. Now — and he was a corporal. I say in quotes. Twenty-three years old. What made Jesse Macbeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn’t his Purple Heart, it wasn’t his being affiliated with posttraumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. No. What made Jesse Macbeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage, in their view, off the battlefield, without regard to consequences, he told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq. American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account, translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth describes the horrors this way. We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque.
Now, recently, Jesse Macbeth, poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. And you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record. He was in the Army, Jesse Macbeth was in the Army, folks, briefly. Forty-four days before he washed out of boot camp, Jesse Macbeth isn’t an Army Ranger, never was. He isn’t a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart. And he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen. Probably haven’t even heard about this. And if you have, you haven’t heard much about it. This doesn’t fit the narrative and the template in the Drive-By Media and the Democrat Party as to who a genuine war hero; don’t look for any retractions, by the way. Not from the anti-war left, the anti-military Drive-By Media, or the Arabic websites that spread Jesse Macbeth’s lies about our troops, because the truth for the left is, fiction is what serves their purpose. They have to lie about such atrocities because they can’t find any that fit the template of the way they see the US military. In other words, for the American anti-war left, the greatest inconvenience they face is the truth.
I have long profiled phony soldiers, lying AWOL soldiers, leftist plants, and the Amnesty International plants Jonathan Hutto and Linsay Burnett on this blog so the phenomenon of lying, fake, fraudulent, & planted soldiers being trumpeted by the media is nothing new to me. To make Media Matters’ claims even more ridiculous is that Limbaugh was basing his allegations off a ABC News report that aired two days before his comments that documents "phony heroes"; people claiming to veterans who are not specifically Jessie Macbeth:
Just to add some historical perspective these phonies and frauds are nothing new that anyone that has read my writings on the No Gun Ri incident would assuredly know.
Anyway this whole incident is just another disinformation campaign being waged by the usual suspects from the left. They are still reeling from the wide spread condemnation of the George Soros funded Moveon.org’s attempts to slime General Petraeus before he testified to Congress last month which I responded to line by line and fully debunked. So in order to change the subject the other George Soros entity Media Matters decided to attack these past two weeks President Bush, Bill O’reilly, and now Rush Limbaugh by selectively editing quotes and taking them out of context in order to slime them with.
The lefts media allies than pick this propaganda and tout it as news and now the propaganda is even by touted on the floor of Congress with Harry Reid demanding Limbaugh apologize for his unpatriotic remarks. What is even funnier is the Democrats have a fake war veteran Senator Tom Harkin leading this charge:
You can’t make this stuff up. Anyway this whole issue is pretty ridiculous but the left is reeling just as much as Al Qaeda in Iraq right now and are desperate. This whole episode is just another sign of this desperation.
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10:06 am on October 2nd, 2007 1
[...] into the whole Rush Limbaugh "phony soldier" controversy today and surprise, surprise it was bogus. Seriously I’m beginning to think Korean journalism standards are becoming higher than [...]
11:47 am on October 2nd, 2007 2
Judging from the comments at articles linked to by Drudge, not too many seem to be aware that the clip on question is a bit of left-wing quoting out of context and jackarsery.
5:50 pm on October 2nd, 2007 3
I was listening to Rush on the day he made the comments & there’s no way he meant what Media Matters reported….it is an outright smear that’s been created by the radical left & is essentially based on lies. You’re article nailed it & there’s a fair chance there’s more of this to come from the left. They’re desperate to control the White House & this is more than likely a coordinated strategy….we should expect more of the same…….welcome to 21st century politics.
8:36 pm on October 2nd, 2007 4
It is either a coordinated strategy or the MSM reporters are utterly incompetent. Take your pick because a real reporter would have listened to the entire transcript before declaring it “news”. Anyone that looks at the total transcript would realize it is a slime job. It is the same thing with the selective quoting of Bush’s Mandela remark and Bill O’reilly’s comments with Juan Williams.
O’reilly’s misquoting by Media Matters was so bad that it was condemned by Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson yet MSM reporters were out there touting the Media Matters slime job as news.
Highly recommend everyone read the Newsbuster link above that shows the coordinated political strategy that Media Matters has with Hillary Clinton. This organization is filled with Clintonites and full of Soros money.
1:23 pm on October 3rd, 2007 5
Well, if you are to truly debunk what was said, you’d have to play the whole episode that started Rush’s diatribe which he in fact did call anti-war solders “Phony solders” and not just about Jessie Macbeth. Rush was flustered from a previous caller (Named Mike) who said he was a former solder and a Republican who wanted the troops out of Iraq. Because of the callers stance, Rush dismissed him as a “Phony Solder” when a second caller named Mike called and was firmly in favor of continued troops in Iraq.
CALLER 2: No, it’s not, and what’s really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
As if any solder that speaks out against the war is not a real solder. This is the common mantra of conservatives: “You are not a true patriot if you are against the war.” The constant vilifying of the left as traitors. I thought the American people would have learned from the McCarthy era about this failed strategy. I do have one question though. Rush always says that the left wants to wave the flag of surrender. Now if we actually surrendered, we would have to let the insurgents take over the day-to-day operations of America – wouldn’t we? I have yet to meet anyone that wants to turn our government over to the insurgents to run. Only to leave Iraq – That is not surrender. Anyway, below is more of the transcript that right wing supporters don’t show when they defend Rush.
From the September 26 broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks’ The Rush Limbaugh Show:
LIMBAUGH: Mike in Chicago, welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.
CALLER 1: Hi Rush, how you doing today?
LIMBAUGH: I’m fine sir, thank you.
CALLER 1: Good. Why is it that you always just accuse the Democrats of being against the war and suggest that there are absolutely no Republicans that could possibly be against the war?
LIMBAUGH: Well, who are these Republicans? I can think of Chuck Hagel, and I can think of Gordon Smith, two Republican senators, but they don’t want to lose the war like the Democrats do. I can’t think of — who are the Republicans in the anti-war movement?
CALLER 1: I’m just — I’m not talking about the senators. I’m talking about the general public — like you accuse the public of all the Democrats of being, you know, wanting to lose, but –
LIMBAUGH: Oh, come on! Here we go again. I uttered a truth, and you can’t handle it, so you gotta call here and change the subject. How come I’m not also hitting Republicans? I don’t know a single Republican or conservative, Mike, who wants to pull out of Iraq in defeat. The Democrats have made the last four years about that specifically.
CALLER 1: Well, I am a Republican, and I’ve listened to you for a long time, and you’re right on a lot of things, but I do believe that we should pull out of Iraq. I don’t think it’s winnable. And I’m not a Democrat, but I just — sometimes you’ve got to cut the losses.
LIMBAUGH: Well, you — you –
CALLER 1: I mean, sometimes you really gotta know when you’re wrong.
LIMBAUGH: Well, yeah, you do. I’m not wrong on this. The worst thing that can happen is losing this, flying out of there, waving the white flag. Do you have –
CALLER 1: Oh, I’m not saying that. I’m not saying anything like that, but, you know –
LIMBAUGH: Well, of course you are.
CALLER 1: No, I’m not.
LIMBAUGH: Bill, the truth is — the truth is the truth, Mike.
CALLER 1: We did what we were supposed to do, OK. We got rid of Saddam Hussein. We got rid of a lot of the terrorists. Let them run their country –
LIMBAUGH: Oh, good lord! Good lord.
[...]
CALLER 1: How long is it gonna — how long do you think we’re going to have to be there for them to take care of that?
LIMBAUGH: Mike –
CALLER 1: How long — you know — what is it?
LIMBAUGH: Mike –
CALLER 1: What is it?
LIMBAUGH: Mike, you can’t possibly be a Republican.
CALLER 1: I am.
LIMBAUGH: You are — you are –
CALLER 1: I am definitely a Republican.
LIMBAUGH: You can’t be a Republican. You are –
CALLER 1: Oh, I am definitely a Republican.
LIMBAUGH: You are tarnishing the reputation, ’cause you sound just like a Democrat.
CALLER 1: No, but –
LIMBAUGH: The answer to your question –
CALLER 1: — seriously, how long do we have to stay there –
LIMBAUGH: As long as it takes!
CALLER 1: — to win it? How long?
LIMBAUGH: As long as it takes! It is very serious.
CALLER 1: And that is what?
LIMBAUGH: This is the United States of America at war with Islamofascists. We stay as long — just like your job. You do everything you have to do, whatever it takes to get it done, if you take it seriously.
CALLER 1: So then you say we need to stay there forever –
LIMBAUGH: I — it won’t –
CALLER 1: — because that’s what it’ll take.
LIMBAUGH: No, Bill, or Mike — I’m sorry. I’m confusing you with the guy from Texas.
CALLER 1: See, I — I’ve used to be military, OK? And I am a Republican.
LIMBAUGH: Yeah. Yeah.
CALLER 1: And I do live [inaudible] but –
LIMBAUGH: Right. Right. Right, I know.
CALLER 1: — you know, really — I want you to be saying how long it’s gonna take.
LIMBAUGH: And I, by the way, used to walk on the moon!
CALLER 1: How long do we have to stay there?
LIMBAUGH: You’re not listening to what I say. You can’t possibly be a Republican. I’m answering every question. That’s not what you want to hear, so it’s not even penetrating your little wall of armor you’ve got built up.
[...]
LIMBAUGH: Another Mike, this one in Olympia, Washington. Welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.
CALLER 2: Hi Rush, thanks for taking my call.
LIMBAUGH: You bet.
CALLER 2: I have a retort to Mike in Chicago, because I am a serving American military, in the Army. I’ve been serving for 14 years, very proudly.
LIMBAUGH: Thank you, sir.
CALLER 2: And, you know, I’m one of the few that joined the Army to serve my country, I’m proud to say, not for the money or anything like that. What I would like to retort to is that, if we pull — what these people don’t understand is if we pull out of Iraq right now, which is about impossible because of all the stuff that’s over there, it’d take us at least a year to pull everything back out of Iraq, then Iraq itself would collapse, and we’d have to go right back over there within a year or so. And –
LIMBAUGH: There’s a lot more than that that they don’t understand. They can’t even — if — the next guy that calls here, I’m gonna ask him: Why should we pull — what is the imperative for pulling out? What’s in it for the United States to pull out? They can’t — I don’t think they have an answer for that other than, “Well, we just gotta bring the troops home.”
CALLER 2: Yeah, and, you know what –
LIMBAUGH: “Save the — keep the troops safe” or whatever. I — it’s not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.
CALLER 2: No, it’s not, and what’s really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they’re willing to sacrifice for their country.
LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined –
CALLER 2: A lot of them — the new kids, yeah
And the rest continues in the transcripts to which have been posted on this site.
2:26 pm on October 3rd, 2007 6
Goout, I didn’t read all of your posted transcript…..I don’t have to, I listened to the show the day of the comments. At no time did I ever think that Rush was referring to soldiers who disagreed with the war in Iraq, rather it was obvious that he intended his comments to be aimed at those disgusting individuals who never served or were never active duty & claim they were.
I have 2 points in regards to Rush;
1. Rush has been on the national airwaves for 20 years. During that time he has established a record of strong support for the military. So much so that he raises money for a charity for the fallen Marines who’s children need help with college. Look back at that record & take it into account…..you won’t do it will you? You’d rather take the man out of context & smear him than weigh the totality of his comments with what he’s done & said for the last 20 years. At a minimum he deserves the benefit of the doubt about what you think his motivations were….but you don’t have it in you do you?
2. If what Rush, a private citizen, said is so offensive that the Senate needs to take time to address a resolution against him. Then I want the 2 phoniest soldiers Harkin & Kerry to resign. EFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. They have said & done far worse than anything Rush supposedly said. They get a pass for everything. They say something stupid or outright false, such as Kerry’s comments about our soldiers dragging innocent Iraqi civilians out of their houses in the dead of night & they get infinite chances to explain what they really meant. Meanwhile you libs nod in approval. Speaking of traitorous comments about our military, read comments by Reid, Murtha, Obama, Obey, Kerry, Harkin & other moronic leftist congress members who have made false allegations about our brave military personnel. They are hypocrites & apparently so are you because I doubt anything they said bothered you in the least…..& now supposedly something you want Rush to have said has got you mad? Please.
The reality is the libs hate the war, don’t believe in the military & certainly don’t like any solution that involves the military. This issue with Rush isn’t about what he allegedly meant or said…..it’s about the left in this country unable to convince the majority of the country that leaving Iraq ASAP is a good idea. Folks know that the libs will cut & run the first chance they get, thereby proving bin Laden right when he told his followers that the Americans can’t handle bloodshed. He wasn’t talking about the conservatives when he made such a statement…nope, he was referring to the libs & he was right. The second you libs see a body bag the fight goes right out of you…….now let someone dare to smoke a cigarette in a restaurant & that’s a true call to arms for the libs. Let someone exercise free speech that they disagree with & they want to rally the troops. It’s hate-speech or some other blather…..but they must be silenced ASAP!
No leaving Iraqi would be surrender goout, a first step anyway because at first the Islamic fundamentalists would take over Iraq & cement the reqion with Wahbism….but they wouldn’t be satisfied with that for long. They’d expand to neighboring countries. Or maybe you’ve forgotten terrorists don’t play nice & stick to just killing soldiers in far away places….no, they’d much rather kill American civilians on their own soil (you remember the Trade Center attack & 9/11 don’t you?). We give them Iraq & they’ll be in the same situation they were in before we freed Afghanistan, but this time with more money. Leaving Iraq without completing the mission would embolden them further….it wouldn’t be long & IED’s would be something that every citizen in this country would have to worry about. Because there’s nothing more than they’d like to do is kill as many of us as possible….you see, they don’t play war fairly. Don’t think they wouldn’t set an IED off in an elementary school, park or a shopping mall in any American city. If they could….they would. If we leave Iraq the war isn’t over…..it will just move locations. Our brave soldiers know this & that’s why they fight & sacrifice for us in Iraq & Afghanistan. God bless every one of them.
Goout, you need a real issue to tackle not this made up one. Hey I have an idea goout, why don’t you come up with a real plan on WINNING in Iraq & defeating terrorists instead of wringing your hands about how fast can we sprint out of there? I guess that’d mean having some fortitude…give it a try.
One last thing, you bring up Joe McCarthy. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t he a Senator who used the government to wrongly accuse & go after private citizens? The only person that fits that bill is Reid…learn some history.
8:14 pm on October 3rd, 2007 7
Thank you GOOUT for posting the full transcript — as you can see from the responses, those supporting Rush will not be deterred by the facts and will only read RUSH’S EDITED (DOCTORED) TRANSCRIPT. BUT obviously, FACTUALLY, Rush has called any soldier against the war a “phony soldier” and questions the patriotism of our fighting men and women who believe the administration is either incompentent to lead this war or simply lying about their motives. Let’s not forget that it is AGAINST THE LAW FOR ENLISTED TO QUESTION THE PRESIDENT — so we will never hear all the enlisted warrior patriots who disagree with Bush.
By the way, I’m a Republican with four relatives in the service ALL OF WHOM believe these chicken hawks who have not served wouldn’t know a good military strategy from a dose of illegal pain killers. When Rush calls my brave brothers and cousin a “phony” — or a suicide bomber — or even hints that they don’t have the brain to make up their own mind and have been deluded by Democrats — he betrays their service and our country — EXACTLY in the same way MoveOn.Org smeared with “Betrayus.” And this ISN’T THE FIRST TIME Rush has smeared the reputation of soldiers who disagree with him and against the war, either.
America and the Armed Forces are reading and watching who defends this pill-popping chicken hawk — Michelle — and we will thereby know who really supports us and who really is using our armed forces as cannon fodder for their twisted vision of domination of Iraq.
8:21 pm on October 3rd, 2007 8
The Left knows who it’s targeting - those too ignorant and lazy to bother to look at the actual context or listen to the actual broadcast/recording - as the commenter above makes abundantly clear.
8:33 pm on October 3rd, 2007 9
psmarc93….you are either in serious error or are a liar. Listen to the audio in question & provide proof of your accusations that Rush has smeared the troops before.
I heard the audio & don’t need edited transcripts. I highly doubt you are a Republican & this isn’t about supporting Rush inasmuch as it’s about exposing a liberal effort to silence a private citizen who the Democrats disagree with.
Rush has never said a anything about our soldiers being suicide bombers (see liberals such as Pelosi for drivel such as that). Where did that come from? Prove it. If you can’t then don’t spout it as fact because it isn’t.
No…the only people questioning motives of soldiers are the libs……my guess is you hated Rush & the President long before any of this came up. Odds are very little that you claimed about yourself is true anyway.
Prove your accusations. You can’t it’s never happened…..conservatives have alway stood behind the military. The libs despise it.
8:38 pm on October 3rd, 2007 10
I think it is just a coordinated effort by the left in order to go to every website they can and keep repeating the propaganda about Rush in hopes that one day it will become the conventional wisdom.
What in the full transcript says Rush was calling all soldiers against the war phony soldiers? Where? Somebody point it out? I already pointed out where he was talking about phonies like Jesse Macbeth. Where in the transcript does Rush call all soldiers against the war in Iraq phonies?
If you read the whole transcript it is clear Rush is talking about Jesse Macbeth and anyone who can’t get that through their heads probably still thinks that Bush believes Nelson Mandela is dead.
8:55 pm on October 3rd, 2007 11
Amen GI. I think you’re right on target, which is why I can’t let this one go. If we don’t stand on this one & call out those attempting to distort, then it will become the truth & the libs will effectively silence a conservative voice. Just like Newt was taken out of context with the Social Security “whither on the vine” statement…it’s seen as fact now even though it’s not what he said.
The left is getting extremely desperate…which might make them more dangerous than before? Rush is on Armed Forces Radio, if our soldiers are truly offended by what he supposedly said…..they’ll demand he be removed from programming. Hmmmm, democracy at work…….power to the people.
12:35 am on October 4th, 2007 12
This old retiree gets the Rush podcast every day. Listens some days. Just happened to be listening when the phony soldier comment was made. The truth is that Rush is a an American patriot unlike Harkin, Kennedy, Reid, Kerry, Levin,…… and many others that are LIARS that hide behind the ’speach and debate’ clause. The speach and debate clause should better be identified as the ‘lie and defame’ clause. Remember, that this clause was intended to protect members of Congress from an Executive that might have them arrested to prevent them from ‘doing their duty’.
In those early days an individual maligned by a member of Congress could get redress by challenging the malicious member of Congress to a duel to the death. Regretably, such redress is no longer allowed! I feels quite certain that the cowards hiding behind the ’speach and debate’ clause would be much more cautious.
I note that the history of Jesse MacBeth is remarkably similar to that of Dan Rather neither of which were capable of completing the first eight weeks of military recruit training, both of whom declared themselves as veteran’s until caught in their lie.
I find a similarity between the attempted Bush National Guard hatchet job by Rather and the Rush hatchet job by Media Matters. In both cases the liberal liar’s try to sell what they wish had been said or happened as reality. AND, THEY HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN THEIR LIE!
1:41 am on October 4th, 2007 13
GI,
As an Army Logistician, I know that it is easier to deploy forces than re-deploy forces. I am not only talking about personnel, I am talking about all the materials that we brought over.
Back in 1991, after fighting ended in March, it took over 18 months to bring all of our materials back to CONUS. I remembered the 7th Trans Group had welcome home ceremony back in September of 1992. They were in charge of port operation to load up the materials. These materiel redeployment operation took place in peaceful and secured envinronment without any IED or insurgency attack in Saudi, Kuwait, and southern Iraq.
Now here we are in Iraq 2007, with all those military camps all over the country and everyone who travel on the roads are possible target of insurgency and terrorists. The combat troops can not redeploy ahead of CS or CSS personnel like they did in 1991. The combat units are need to provide intensive security during the materiel redeployment surge.
I hope by the time when we need to pull our materiels out of Iraq, the Iraqi Security forces are in full control of the Iraq. In other words, until we have achieve our goal of preserving a peace in Iraq, the re-deployment will be very difficult to achieve.
2:24 am on October 4th, 2007 14
Cpt Kim:
In my career in which started in pinks and green I began as a grunt and finished as a logistician. I am distressed by the idiots suggesting that ‘combat troops’ should be redeployed but that the logistics tail would remain in country for months if not years longer. Obviously the comments of idiot that had never been there or done that.
Whenever I hear someone being referred to as a patriot, I cringe. I recall Al Gore describing Bill Clinton as an American patriot so against the Vietnam war that he travelled to the USSR to avoid the draft.
That never fit my definition of patriotism. All who serve are not patriots, nor do all serve with honor. Those who do serve sometimes do our nation a great dishoner when they join the enemy against our nation. This is especially true in the case of our elected representatives who lie about their service.
7:51 pm on October 4th, 2007 15
Well Bodhi, I believe you when you say that you didn’t read the whole transcript because like many conservatives, you do not like to hear the truth. Rush did in FACT make disparaging remarks about troops who speak against the war in Iraq. Later, in his next segment, realizing what he said attempted to defray the damage by referring to Macbeth’s false military record. In fact when Rush re-played the segment he stated that it was in its’ entirety - which he lied about because he edited 1.5 minutes out that related to his remarks about those that are against the war as being phony solders. No Bohdi, I am not a hypocrite because I don’t believe any troops that are doing their job honorably should be disparaged. However, you talk about how all of these “Lib” Senators have raked our GI’s over the coals but in the same breath cannot find anything wrong with Rush’s statements. Hmmm, sounds just like the Neocons that call ANYONE who is against the war is a villain. Nope, I’m not against the US military, I spent 23 years in the military and am proud of my service. My son is currently serving and just returned from the Mideast. My brother has been in for 20 years, a few nephews are in, and soon my other son will be in the military as well. No, I love our military. I just don’t like them being mis-used in a war that will never be won by the military. It must be one by the Iraqis themselves and they don’t want us there. If we were really serious about fighting terrorism, we would have continued in Afghanistan instead of cutting strength there for Iraq. We would be strengthening our border security, we would strengthen our intelligence. We would upgrade port security. Whether we are in Iraq or not, there will be another attack on US soil. Even the Neocons concede this. I know I won’t convince you with any of this because after reading your response, I believe you when you say that you have listened to Rush for 20 years because nothing you said was original. In fact it almost sounded like one of Rush’s regular diatribes about liberals including the use of his favorite phrases. People like you need Rush because thinking for yourself would cause much discomfort.
GI. I cannot speak for the rest of the posts. But there is no coordinated effort to repeat propaganda by me. You said you proved this “phony solder” statement by rush as bogus. I just responded because you left out a part that proves it was not bogus. By the way, I continue to read your blog because I read many right wing blogs just to keep up with what the right is thinking and sometimes it’s just plain humorous.
8:00 pm on October 4th, 2007 16
goout; no, Bodhi did read the transcript - he LISTENED TO THE ACTUAL BROADCAST. What part of that you not getting?
8:31 pm on October 4th, 2007 17
If he listened to it on AFN then he only got part of the story. The entire transcript and audio can be found on many websites now. And it does support my claim.
8:53 pm on October 4th, 2007 18
Bodhi does not live in Korea and does not get AFN (I know him-he probably doesn’t know what AFN is, but might guess given the context). He lives in the States and gets the regular, FULL broadcast, which you obviously have NOT listened to. If you want to keep your head in the sand, that’s fine, but don’t tell folks who’ve heard the ENTIRE broadcast that they’re getting an edited version when you in fact are.
MM clearly took things out of context by editing transcript/audio to give a false impression. Juan Williams, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson have come out to defend Rush - ask yourself why, or continue to keep your head in the sand.
BTW, at the top of this post is a link to a site with the audio.
8:56 pm on October 4th, 2007 19
goout, Since you insist on being insulting then I will use small, simple words so you can understand. First, I never said I listened to Rush for 20 years. I said, look at the man’s record that he’s accumulated (my apologies, big word) for the past 20 years. At no point in the past has Rush ever denigrated (another biggie!) our military. Not once. That long record of military support has at a minimum earned him the benefit of the doubt.
I don’t listen to Rush every day. I have a job that keeps me busy, but if I have time then sometimes I do. It just so happened that I HEARD the show that day & I know what was said & how it was said. Rush was referencing the ABC Brian Ross & Charlie Gibson story. That’s it. When John Kerry “mis-spoke” about US soldiers dragging innocent Iraqi citizens out of their homes in the dead of night…he simply said that’s not what he meant. And he was given a pass…….look back at Kerry’s record & he has a pattern of bad-mouthing & lying about the military. Now Rush uses the same phrase that is brought up in an ABC story & YOU presume you know what he meant & assign what his motives were? Look back at his record of supporting the Armed Forces. If anyone in the military is genuinely upset about this made up controversy then Rush will get yanked from Armed Forces Radio. The soldiers will be the final arbiter of this issue, however pointless it is.
For the record, I encourage you to keep thinking that conservatives can’t think for themselves…it makes it that much easier for us to take over. Keep underestimating us (or as the President is fond of saying “misunderestimating”)…..I like it that way. Your opinion of me is irrelevant. If it makes you feel better to fear “NeoCons”, then so be it…..don’t care. If you think Rush thinks for me…good. I was a conservative long before Rush & will be so long after him. Hey here’s a novel thought, Rush thinks like other like-minded conservatives? Hmmm, possible huh? Kind of like you think like Michael Moore, Hillary, Harry Reid or John Kerry? They don’t think for you necessarily……or is it different for liberals? Do they need others to tell them how to think & they just assume it’s that way for conservatives? Maybe it makes libs feel better about themselves to be condescending arrogant morons by assuming that anyone who doesn’t think like them must be sooo stupid that they need someone to tell them how to think? I might be wrong on that though. Maybe libs are just naturally condescending arrogant morons? The jury is still out on that…..
Be brave goout, go listen to the audio. Go to YouTube & watch the video. You seem to have an existing animus toward Rush or otherwise you’d give him the benefit of the doubt which seems to be the sole right of liberal pols. Rush’s support of the military is well documented. His trip to Afghanistan is well documented. Yes, we still have troops there & they’re still killing terrorists. Newsflash, we’re still in Afghanistan.
And to steal a couple of lines from a time honored movie that seems to be strangely appropriate;
Bodhi:Search your feelings, goout, you can’t do this. I feel the conflict within you. Let go of your hate for Rush.
goout: It is too late for me, Bodhi. The Emperoress Hillary will show you the true nature of the Media Matters Force. She is your master now.
Bodhi: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:10 pm on October 4th, 2007 20
Daaaaaaaamn! Musta hit a nerve! You neocons are so funny. I can’t wait until the “Libs” have the Executive branch along with the Legislative (2008). Hopefully we can turn the Judicial around shortly after that. It’s fun to watch the conservatives self destruct as they have done over the last few years. They make it easier for the “Libs” to take over. MMMMMMHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!
11:02 pm on October 4th, 2007 21
Don’t flatter yourself goout. It’s nice to see you have successfully avoided any of the points I listed & dodge addressing them. So much for seeking truth. Seems like you were a tad dishonest there as well. You have a preconceived idea of what you want to hear & an agenda to push. The Dark Lord has taught you well……enjoy the Kool-Aid & drink heavy.
11:54 pm on October 4th, 2007 22
Goout:
Your problem is that you are brain dead and will not be influenced by the truth. Rush commented only on phony soldier Jesse MacBeth and other that lied about their service In fact, he could have, but did not include Senator Tom Harkin and Senator John F. Kerry.
Your are a brain dead fool incapable of dealing with reality.
11:57 pm on October 4th, 2007 23
Goout: (Braindead):
This old man heard the broadcast live, read the transcript and the trash that came from Media Matters and drones like yourself. Get a life, admit you are both brain dead and wrong.
12:05 am on October 5th, 2007 24
As was stated before I have the link to Flopping Aces above who has the audio and have listened to the whole thing, so your claims are ridiculous. You interpret Rush as “defraying the damage” when he talks about Jesse Macbeth which shows your clear bias and intelectual dishonesty because it can also be interpretted as completely clarifying his remarks so propagandists from Media Matters cannot falsify what he meant. That is why Media Matters had to carefully edit the tape like they have done in past controversies as well.
Goout still has not pointed out anywhere in the call where Rush says all soldiers against the war are phony soldiers becuase he can’t because he didn’t say that. He just keeps repeating the same tired lines in hopes that someone will believe him mixed with a bunch of irrelevant information that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
I also love how I am a “right wing blog” now. Another simple propaganda attempt. Just for your information this is a “military blog” not a right wing blog. I don’t talk about abortion I don’t talk about the death penalty, or health care or any of the other usual political issues out there, I discuss topics related to military issues. Just look at the last few posts I have discussed the Indian military, the Aussies, Burma, Darfur, etc. The newest thing on the left is to try and label milblogs as “right wing” in order to disparage what we say. Just another sign of desperation. If you can’t debate the issues at hand than slime and disparage.
This is the phoniest controversy I have seen yet and it just goes to show how desperate the left is right now.
1:14 am on October 5th, 2007 25
GI:
Appreciate your military blog. Understand that Goout represents the same traitorous position as John F. Kerry did in my day. Kerry was truly one of the phony soldiers of another era. Liberal’s hold up as hero’s those that would commit perjury before a Congressional Committee or Federal Court.
In my day, the real hero’s of the left were the draft dodgers, winter soldiers and phony soldiers that worked with John F. Kerry and the communists that funded their operations.
It appears that George Soros has now become the funding source for the anti-American activities of the liberal left.
Interesting how incensed liberal’s attempting to undermine the armed forces become when their ‘patriotism’ is questioned. In the days of FDR, darling of the Democrats, those attempting to undermine the military would have been identified because of their treasonous activities, convicted in a secret military tribunal and executed.
How I long for those good old days of FDR.
1:29 pm on October 5th, 2007 26
First of all I was wrong in calling this blog a right wing blog as I got caught up in the heat of discussion. You’re right - most posts are about the military. But, your right leaning overtones are apparent in most of the opinions. Not a bad thing, just thought I’d point it out. If I had a blog, it would probably reflect my left-leaning thoughts as well. Second, for Gendeddy - your immediate jump to calling me brain-dead removed any credibility of your responses to this discussion. But, that’s all right, I understand. I have dealt with people like you many times in my life and I wish you peace and serenity. Now on to my last response to this “Rush thing.” I have listened to the tape, read the transcripts over and over. And it still comes out that Rush considers solders that speak out against the war as “Phony Solders”. Of course he talks about pro-war solders as “the real solders”. GI wrote: “Goout still has not pointed out anywhere in the call where Rush says all soldiers against the war are phony soldiers because he can’t because he didn’t say that.” Printed below is the quote from Rush where he chimes in with the caller who states, “They never talk to real solders. They talk to solders that come out of the blue and talk to the media”.
LIMBAUGH: “Save the — keep the troops safe” or whatever. I — it’s not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.
CALLER 2: No, it’s not, and what’s really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they’re willing to sacrifice for their country.
If you can’t see that he is clearly referring to solders that speak against the war as “Phony solders” then there is nothing I can do to convince you. You obviously would never view anything Rush says as wrong-headed. But, it’s OK; you are entitled to believe what you want, as am I.
I was going to let this dog lie, until I read Gendeddy’s rant: “…Interesting how incensed liberal’s attempting to undermine the armed forces become when their ‘patriotism’ is questioned. In the days of FDR, darling of the Democrats, those attempting to undermine the military would have been identified because of their treasonous activities, convicted in a secret military tribunal and executed. How I long for those good old days of FDR…” I’m curious. Are you insinuating that if someone speaks against the war, they are unpatriotic? Treasonous? Or should be executed for speaking these views? Hmmmmmm, if so, you’re proving my point about the right vilifying anyone who does not march lock step with the right. I’m also, curious about your views on the constitution (Free speech and the like), or do you feel as Atty General Gonzales stated, “It’s just a piece of paper”. I must tell you, with views like that, I’m happy the country is swinging back to the left. If (and I’m saying IF) those are in fact your views, I’ll say a prayer for you (No, “Libs” are not Godless like you’ve heard from your many right wing heroes). Again, I hope for some serenity in your life. It must be hell to walk around with so much resentment.
9:35 pm on October 5th, 2007 27
Rush went on to clarify if you continue the transcript that he was clearly referring to the Jessie Macbeth’s out there. You have yet to produce a line that we he says he meant all soldiers against the war are phony soldiers. I have demonstrated above the line where he is clearly talking about the Jessie Macbeths out there and I even have the Youtube video from the ABC news report on phony soldiers that was aired just days before Rush’s show.
I have to assume that you think ABC news is also referring to all soldiers against the war are phony soldiers to?
Plus your claims that I agree with everything Rush says is false. I have lived overseas for years and do not listen to Rush Limbaugh. If somebody like John Kerry said this I would not jump on him either. In fact I defended John Kerry before after he was criticized over the taser incident.
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/19/help-help-im-being-repressed/#comment-109149
Personally I think this is great that the left has to fight over comments Rush Limbaugh said because it means they are desperate. Let the controversy continue for all I care.
10:11 pm on October 5th, 2007 28
GI, when goout says that you agree with everything that Rush says, he means to use it as a way to render your opinion invalid. Now he has no way of knowing what you think in regards to Rush, all he knows/perceives is we are sticking up for Rush…therefore we must be getting our opinion from him. Thereby making our opinions less worthy than those who are more enlightened. Ever notice the same tactic isn’t used on the left?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the both of us see this controversy as less about Rush & more about the truth. Rush can defend himself. What bothers me is this attempt by the far-left to muddy the waters in light of the MoveOn.org debacle. They are attempt to distort the truth. If they get away with it now then it’ll be perpetuated here on out……& during the ‘08 campaign it’ll be regurgitated.
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