Comments on: “Spirit of the June 15 Joint Declaration” is Alive and Well http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/ Korea From North to South Fri, 25 May 2012 09:48:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Mudville Gazette http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/comment-page-1/#comment-81053 Mudville Gazette Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:35:56 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/#comment-81053 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] “Spirit of the June 15 Joint Declaration” is Alive and Well -- [GI Korea] Here is the photo op that President Roh has poured billions of South Korean tax payers money into securing: Is it just me or is Roh the only enthused about this moment? Now that the summit is over we can now begin to take stock of the damage done. A joint declaration has been issued from the summit and here is the preamble to this declaration: [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] “Spirit of the June 15 Joint Declaration” is Alive and Well — [GI Korea] Here is the photo op that President Roh has poured billions of South Korean tax payers money into securing: Is it just me or is Roh the only enthused about this moment? Now that the summit is over we can now begin to take stock of the damage done. A joint declaration has been issued from the summit and here is the preamble to this declaration: [...]

]]> By: barley blair http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/comment-page-1/#comment-80594 barley blair Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:18:57 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/#comment-80594 observation: dr. yu doesn't appear to be just one person; consequently, i doubt "they" are trolls -- more likely "contract labour." as for the oddly DPRK-esque "korea for the koreans" stance of dr. yu et al., the inability to articulate a vision of how a unified korea might be governed or what it would look like is quite unsatisfying. perhaps, that secret "vision" strays too close to the notion of a cult of personality in stalinist disguise... . a final thought: the last time i checked, the agreement ending active hostilities on the korean peninsula was signed on behalf of the united nations and the 14 countries who played an active role in the defence of south korea on one side and the DPRK and china on the other. the political theatre of the communique not withstanding, it is unlikely that true peace is immediately in the offing. indeed, as has already been reported in the press, the idea of withdrawing troops from the DMZ has been shelved by the DPRK as "premature." observation: dr. yu doesn't appear to be just one person; consequently, i doubt "they" are trolls — more likely "contract labour." as for the oddly DPRK-esque "korea for the koreans" stance of dr. yu et al., the inability to articulate a vision of how a unified korea might be governed or what it would look like is quite unsatisfying. perhaps, that secret "vision" strays too close to the notion of a cult of personality in stalinist disguise… .

a final thought: the last time i checked, the agreement ending active hostilities on the korean peninsula was signed on behalf of the united nations and the 14 countries who played an active role in the defence of south korea on one side and the DPRK and china on the other. the political theatre of the communique not withstanding, it is unlikely that true peace is immediately in the offing. indeed, as has already been reported in the press, the idea of withdrawing troops from the DMZ has been shelved by the DPRK as "premature."

]]> By: usinkorea http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/comment-page-1/#comment-80510 usinkorea Tue, 09 Oct 2007 07:10:49 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/#comment-80510 "“They may have 1.2 million soldiers, but apparently there are no “fat smiling North Korean soldiers.” That`s exactly why we must keep sending money to NK. Got it?" That has to be one of the single stupidest things I've heard on NK since "Who are we to say Juche doesn't work?!" We must continue to send billions in aid to NK to make sure NK soldiers are fat enough and healthy enough ---- to kill us... Wonderful... Even if you replace "kill us" with "defend themselves against the white hordes", it is still incredible... ....to the point I'd start to wonder if Dr. Yu isn't a troll.......but probably not..... "“They may have 1.2 million soldiers, but apparently there are no “fat smiling North Korean soldiers.”

That`s exactly why we must keep sending money to NK. Got it?"

That has to be one of the single stupidest things I've heard on NK since "Who are we to say Juche doesn't work?!"

We must continue to send billions in aid to NK to make sure NK soldiers are fat enough and healthy enough —- to kill us…

Wonderful…

Even if you replace "kill us" with "defend themselves against the white hordes", it is still incredible…

….to the point I'd start to wonder if Dr. Yu isn't a troll…….but probably not…..

]]> By: GI Korea http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/comment-page-1/#comment-80508 GI Korea Tue, 09 Oct 2007 06:45:59 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/#comment-80508 knickerbocker hit the nail on the head. Some how Dr. Yu cannot relate the fact that billions upon billions of dollars are being sent to North Korea and yet no one except the regime is fat and smiling. North Korea has been using the money that isn't designated for the regime's lifestyle to expand their military and to advance their ballistic missile & nuclear weapons programs. Kim Jong-il doesn't want anyone but the regime elite to be fat and smiling because he has to keep his people oppressed and desperate in order to avoid regime change. He has to avoid a Ceaucescu moment. That is why he cannot open the country or economy to the outside world like China did. Remember China only opened up after Mao died the same will happen for North Korea. Nothing will change until Kim Jong-il is gone and the South Korean government and now even the Bush administration is helping to ensure he stays in power. knickerbocker hit the nail on the head. Some how Dr. Yu cannot relate the fact that billions upon billions of dollars are being sent to North Korea and yet no one except the regime is fat and smiling.

North Korea has been using the money that isn't designated for the regime's lifestyle to expand their military and to advance their ballistic missile & nuclear weapons programs.

Kim Jong-il doesn't want anyone but the regime elite to be fat and smiling because he has to keep his people oppressed and desperate in order to avoid regime change. He has to avoid a Ceaucescu moment. That is why he cannot open the country or economy to the outside world like China did. Remember China only opened up after Mao died the same will happen for North Korea. Nothing will change until Kim Jong-il is gone and the South Korean government and now even the Bush administration is helping to ensure he stays in power.

]]> By: Knickerbocker http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/comment-page-1/#comment-80472 Knickerbocker Tue, 09 Oct 2007 04:16:39 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/#comment-80472 Dr. Yu, You're obviously not very bright. We've sent billions and the people are still starving. Think about it. Has it occurred to you that the regular people aren't the ones benefiting from the money/food/fuel that's sent? The solution is regime change, not handouts. Dr. Yu,

You're obviously not very bright. We've sent billions and the people are still starving.

Think about it. Has it occurred to you that the regular people aren't the ones benefiting from the money/food/fuel that's sent?

The solution is regime change, not handouts.

]]> By: Dr.Yu http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/comment-page-1/#comment-80365 Dr.Yu Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:12:08 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/#comment-80365 "They may have 1.2 million soldiers, but apparently there are no “fat smiling North Korean soldiers.” That`s exactly why we must keep sending money to NK. Got it? "They may have 1.2 million soldiers, but apparently there are no “fat smiling North Korean soldiers.”

That`s exactly why we must keep sending money to NK. Got it?

]]> By: Knickerbocker http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/comment-page-1/#comment-80351 Knickerbocker Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:56:23 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/#comment-80351 FYI, the former height requirement for North Korean soldiers was 5' 3", but was recently withdrawn because of the overwhelmingly short population of the country due to widespread malnutrition. (Average male height in ROK is 5' 8.5") They may have 1.2 million soldiers, but apparently there are no "fat smiling North Korean soldiers." FYI, the former height requirement for North Korean soldiers was 5' 3", but was recently withdrawn because of the overwhelmingly short population of the country due to widespread malnutrition. (Average male height in ROK is 5' 8.5")

They may have 1.2 million soldiers, but apparently there are no "fat smiling North Korean soldiers."

]]> By: GI Korea http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/comment-page-1/#comment-80170 GI Korea Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:30:51 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/#comment-80170 If you took a vote of those "fat smiling North American soldiers" if they wanted to pull out of Korea or not a clear majority would. This is because the vast majority of these soldiers are serving in Korea on an unaccompanied tour for a year without their families with many of them serving in Korea after being separated from their families before because of a tour in Iraq or Afghanistan. The only reason USFK is there is because the Korean government wants USFK there because they save so much money on defense. Additionally USFK serves as a big insurance policy for the Korean economy. International investors feel a whole lot better about their investment knowing that Uncle Sam is backing it. Plus every time the question of if USFK should stay or go is put to a public survey the results are that the Korean public wants USFK to stay. If you took a vote of those "fat smiling North American soldiers" if they wanted to pull out of Korea or not a clear majority would. This is because the vast majority of these soldiers are serving in Korea on an unaccompanied tour for a year without their families with many of them serving in Korea after being separated from their families before because of a tour in Iraq or Afghanistan.

The only reason USFK is there is because the Korean government wants USFK there because they save so much money on defense. Additionally USFK serves as a big insurance policy for the Korean economy. International investors feel a whole lot better about their investment knowing that Uncle Sam is backing it.

Plus every time the question of if USFK should stay or go is put to a public survey the results are that the Korean public wants USFK to stay.

]]> By: Tim http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/comment-page-1/#comment-80159 Tim Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:20:13 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/#comment-80159 Dr Yu said: "Whether americans like it or not, I think it’s an investment for the future of a unified korea. Honestly speaking I prefer to see a fat smiling north-korean soldier than fat smiling north-american soldier in Korea." Dr Yu also said: "By the way most Americans reacted to my message I assume that they might have got offended with my words. Well, that’s exactly how most Koreans feel about the postings here. If you get offended with the thinks people say about your country, than mind the words you use to refer to other countries. No country is perfect. Even the USA …" Tim says: With comments like the first ones you make, your doctorate must be in something other than Asian studies or anything related to political science. If all this aid is "an investment for the future of a unified korea" as you put it, then why did they find donated rations (that were supposed to go to feed the starving populace) onboard the mini-submarine that ran aground off the East Coast of South Korea about 10 years ago? Answer: Because Kim Jong-Il wants to prepare that "fat smiling north-korean soldier" to invade South Korea. Dr Yu also seems to think that I'm offended by his words. I am not offended by his words so much as I am offended by the fact that anyone who is a Doctor or has a doctorate in any field could be so naive about the ways of north Korea, especially a Korean. My personal opinion on the American presence in Korea is that we should have pulled out a long time ago but the South Korean government has begged us to stay time and time again so that they could concentrate their money into developing a better lifestyle for its citizens rather than squandering it foolishly on Defense against north Korea. So, Dr. Yu, if you have any trouble with Americans being in your country, I suggested you head to Yoido or Chongwadae and complain to them about it. We'll leave when your government is ready and not a minute before. Dr Yu said:

"Whether americans like it or not, I think it’s an investment for the future of a unified korea.

Honestly speaking I prefer to see a fat smiling north-korean soldier than fat smiling north-american soldier in Korea."

Dr Yu also said:

"By the way most Americans reacted to my message I assume that they might have got offended with my words. Well, that’s exactly how most Koreans feel about the postings here. If you get offended with the thinks people say about your country, than mind the words you use to refer to other countries. No country is perfect. Even the USA …"

Tim says:

With comments like the first ones you make, your doctorate must be in something other than Asian studies or anything related to political science.

If all this aid is "an investment for the future of a unified korea" as you put it, then why did they find donated rations (that were supposed to go to feed the starving populace) onboard the mini-submarine that ran aground off the East Coast of South Korea about 10 years ago? Answer: Because Kim Jong-Il wants to prepare that "fat smiling north-korean soldier" to invade South Korea.

Dr Yu also seems to think that I'm offended by his words. I am not offended by his words so much as I am offended by the fact that anyone who is a Doctor or has a doctorate in any field could be so naive about the ways of north Korea, especially a Korean.

My personal opinion on the American presence in Korea is that we should have pulled out a long time ago but the South Korean government has begged us to stay time and time again so that they could concentrate their money into developing a better lifestyle for its citizens rather than squandering it foolishly on Defense against north Korea.

So, Dr. Yu, if you have any trouble with Americans being in your country, I suggested you head to Yoido or Chongwadae and complain to them about it. We'll leave when your government is ready and not a minute before.

]]> By: Knickerbocker http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/comment-page-1/#comment-80094 Knickerbocker Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:19:20 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/05/spirit-of-the-june-15-joint-declaration-is-alive-and-well/#comment-80094 Dr. Yu, Let's get something straight—North Korea is offensive. The problem is that you're confusing your country with Kim Jong-il's country. One is a liberal democracy and the other is a totalitarian dictatorship. Those might be big words for you and even bigger concepts. Dr. Yu,

Let's get something straight—North Korea is offensive.

The problem is that you're confusing your country with Kim Jong-il's country. One is a liberal democracy and the other is a totalitarian dictatorship.

Those might be big words for you and even bigger concepts.

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