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		<title>By: US Soldier &#8220;Rapes&#8221; Woman In Dongducheon</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2007/11/30/the-other-side-of-the-story-soldiers-deny-assault/comment-page-1/#comment-177111</link>
		<dc:creator>US Soldier &#8220;Rapes&#8221; Woman In Dongducheon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the fact against GIs especially in Dongducheon. It isn&#8217;t just a Dongducheon issue either, being attacked by a mob and having false charges brought against you can happen anywhere a GI goes in Korea. Heck the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the fact against GIs especially in Dongducheon. It isn&#8217;t just a Dongducheon issue either, being attacked by a mob and having false charges brought against you can happen anywhere a GI goes in Korea. Heck the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kingkitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kingkitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also heard the GIs subjected the restaurant owners to water boarding while the helpless crowd was held off by trained American MPs with weapons. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also heard the GIs subjected the restaurant owners to water boarding while the helpless crowd was held off by trained American MPs with weapons.</p>
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		<title>By: Kingkitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kingkitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont no GI I think your theory is far fetched and based on bias generated by your egotistical western mentality. 
 
I feel bad for the Korean owners they had to be attacked viscously by well trained killers who certainly just returned from Iraq to escape prosecution from there murderous ways. 
 
Thank goodness there are concerned citizens out there in Korea who are willing to take a stand and stop the senseless beatings the GI&#039;s layed on these hard working restaurant owners.  I can only hope People of Western nations such as the US can take this example and take a bite out of crime. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont no GI I think your theory is far fetched and based on bias generated by your egotistical western mentality. </p>
<p>I feel bad for the Korean owners they had to be attacked viscously by well trained killers who certainly just returned from Iraq to escape prosecution from there murderous ways. </p>
<p>Thank goodness there are concerned citizens out there in Korea who are willing to take a stand and stop the senseless beatings the GI&#039;s layed on these hard working restaurant owners.  I can only hope People of Western nations such as the US can take this example and take a bite out of crime.</p>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
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		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 05:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As was pointed out, I was being sarcastic because I see where this incident is leading where this group is probably not going to get a fair trial to determine what happened.  If you believe these GIs went and assaulted two women just for the hell of it and then the &quot;onlookers&quot; just stood there and did nothing you obviously haven&#039;t spent much time in Korea.   
 
This incident probably went down with drunk GIs walking down the street being loud and obnoxious.  Someone maybe slaps a sign in front of the restaurant, ajumma gets pissed yells at them, GI yells back, and then the &quot;concerned citizens&quot; which is Korean media code name for a mob gets involved.  The mob is probably drunk as well considering the hour it was and they were at a restaurant.   
 
So you have drunk mob confronting a drunk group of GIs.  Someone in the mob probably does the ajushi grab and shove thing against one of the GIs and things escalate from there.  I don&#039;t know what happened but plenty of past experience tells me this is what probably happened.   
 
These soldiers should have an expectation to have a fair trial to have their side of the story heard but when you compare similar incidents that have happened in the past to this one, it is pretty clear mob justice is going to win out.  These soldiers better get their compensation payments ready or it will be jail time for them. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As was pointed out, I was being sarcastic because I see where this incident is leading where this group is probably not going to get a fair trial to determine what happened.  If you believe these GIs went and assaulted two women just for the hell of it and then the &quot;onlookers&quot; just stood there and did nothing you obviously haven&#039;t spent much time in Korea.   </p>
<p>This incident probably went down with drunk GIs walking down the street being loud and obnoxious.  Someone maybe slaps a sign in front of the restaurant, ajumma gets pissed yells at them, GI yells back, and then the &quot;concerned citizens&quot; which is Korean media code name for a mob gets involved.  The mob is probably drunk as well considering the hour it was and they were at a restaurant.   </p>
<p>So you have drunk mob confronting a drunk group of GIs.  Someone in the mob probably does the ajushi grab and shove thing against one of the GIs and things escalate from there.  I don&#039;t know what happened but plenty of past experience tells me this is what probably happened.   </p>
<p>These soldiers should have an expectation to have a fair trial to have their side of the story heard but when you compare similar incidents that have happened in the past to this one, it is pretty clear mob justice is going to win out.  These soldiers better get their compensation payments ready or it will be jail time for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Kingkitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kingkitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 04:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know the Korean Lying thing does hit a point.  I drove a bus the other week and one that bus was a small group of Soldiers including a Katusa.  He sat in the rear seat and as I drove I watched him eat while I drove. 
 
At the end of the trip I told everyone to pick up the trash and everyone complied with the exception of small gum rappers....all except for the Katusa. 
 
He left a bag of potato sticks with the sticks spilled all over the area he was sitting and a carton of that uniquely Korean drink of black berry soy milk (yuk)   
 
I was pissed so I told his senior he owed me some pushups.  The senior confronted me and said no way could this guy done this and that it must of been someone else (someone sitting on his lap?) 
 
The Katusa was upset that I could of accused his Soldiers of such a terrible crime.   I told him that integrity obviously was not a big thing for the Katusas and that he should just leave. 
 
Sadly my comment/insult was probably lost in translation. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know the Korean Lying thing does hit a point.  I drove a bus the other week and one that bus was a small group of Soldiers including a Katusa.  He sat in the rear seat and as I drove I watched him eat while I drove. </p>
<p>At the end of the trip I told everyone to pick up the trash and everyone complied with the exception of small gum rappers&#8230;.all except for the Katusa. </p>
<p>He left a bag of potato sticks with the sticks spilled all over the area he was sitting and a carton of that uniquely Korean drink of black berry soy milk (yuk)   </p>
<p>I was pissed so I told his senior he owed me some pushups.  The senior confronted me and said no way could this guy done this and that it must of been someone else (someone sitting on his lap?) </p>
<p>The Katusa was upset that I could of accused his Soldiers of such a terrible crime.   I told him that integrity obviously was not a big thing for the Katusas and that he should just leave. </p>
<p>Sadly my comment/insult was probably lost in translation.</p>
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		<title>By: Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 00:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, 
Your charge of bias is completely without merit. On several occasions &#8211; whenever the GI is clearly in the wrong &#8211; GI Korea has in fact called for their punishment.  
 
But, if you&#8217;re really that oblivious to how one-sided GIs are treated in Korea I&#8217;m not sure anything you read will change your mind. You seem a bit clueless at to the realities of how Koreans view and treat GI, and the hopelessly third-world nature of the Korean legal system. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>Your charge of bias is completely without merit. On several occasions &ndash; whenever the GI is clearly in the wrong &ndash; GI Korea has in fact called for their punishment. </p>
<p>But, if you&rsquo;re really that oblivious to how one-sided GIs are treated in Korea I&rsquo;m not sure anything you read will change your mind. You seem a bit clueless at to the realities of how Koreans view and treat GI, and the hopelessly third-world nature of the Korean legal system.</p>
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		<title>By: Pym</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 00:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I meant to write this: [Also bear in mind that American GIs are stereotyped here in Korea as viciously as blacks are among Koreans in Los Angeles.] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I meant to write this: [Also bear in mind that American GIs are stereotyped here in Korea as viciously as blacks are among Koreans in Los Angeles.]</p>
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		<title>By: Pym</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 00:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fencerider and Tom, 
 
In cases like this, when it&#039;s basically the Republic of Korea vs. Foreigner, it is much more likely that Koreans will lie to protect each other.  There is plenty of historical evidence and social analysis available to support this.  GI Korea was being sarcastic because of the general dispair that foreigners will not get a fair trial here.   
 
It is most likely the case that the GIs were goofing around, they were yelled at by the restaurant owner, and then bystanders &quot;stepped in&quot; to help the shopkeepers and protect them from the foreign soldiers.  [Also bear in mind that American GIs are stereotyped as viciously as blacks are among LA Koreans.] Then someone threw a punch, either an angry Korean who figured he would be anonymous in a mob, or a (possibly frightened) GI trying to fight his way out of a menacing crowd and then all hell broke loose.  The question of truth here is who threw the first punch.   
 
If you were Korean, whose story would you want to believe, your fellow citizens or the foreigner? 
 
Pym </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fencerider and Tom,</p>
<p>In cases like this, when it&#039;s basically the Republic of Korea vs. Foreigner, it is much more likely that Koreans will lie to protect each other.  There is plenty of historical evidence and social analysis available to support this.  GI Korea was being sarcastic because of the general dispair that foreigners will not get a fair trial here.  </p>
<p>It is most likely the case that the GIs were goofing around, they were yelled at by the restaurant owner, and then bystanders &quot;stepped in&quot; to help the shopkeepers and protect them from the foreign soldiers.  [Also bear in mind that American GIs are stereotyped as viciously as blacks are among LA Koreans.] Then someone threw a punch, either an angry Korean who figured he would be anonymous in a mob, or a (possibly frightened) GI trying to fight his way out of a menacing crowd and then all hell broke loose.  The question of truth here is who threw the first punch.  </p>
<p>If you were Korean, whose story would you want to believe, your fellow citizens or the foreigner?</p>
<p>Pym</p>
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		<title>By: fencerider</title>
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		<dc:creator>fencerider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, I think the point GI is trying to make here is that he doesn&#039;t really know what happened. That it seems just as likely the GI&#039;s are lying as it is that the Korean&#039;s are lying should be a given.  It&#039;s impossible to &#039;defend&#039; either side because we don&#039;t really know anything except what the press is saying about it. 
 
I also don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to say that GI tries to say that &quot;GI&#039;s can do no wrong.  His reporting on issues concerning GI crimes is as balanced as it deserves to be.  
 
The cold, hard fact is that the Koreans are just as likely to have lied about what happened as the GI&#039;s but we do not have any evidence that the GI&#039;s are lying yet because they have only said that they didn&#039;t do what they are accused of.  On the other hand, we KNOW that the &#039;onlookers&#039; are lying because there is NO WAY that they just stood around and watched what happend and called the police.  So, the only place we have verifiable lies coming from is the Korean side...take that for what it is worth at this point. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, I think the point GI is trying to make here is that he doesn&#039;t really know what happened. That it seems just as likely the GI&#039;s are lying as it is that the Korean&#039;s are lying should be a given.  It&#039;s impossible to &#039;defend&#039; either side because we don&#039;t really know anything except what the press is saying about it.</p>
<p>I also don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to say that GI tries to say that &quot;GI&#039;s can do no wrong.  His reporting on issues concerning GI crimes is as balanced as it deserves to be. </p>
<p>The cold, hard fact is that the Koreans are just as likely to have lied about what happened as the GI&#039;s but we do not have any evidence that the GI&#039;s are lying yet because they have only said that they didn&#039;t do what they are accused of.  On the other hand, we KNOW that the &#039;onlookers&#039; are lying because there is NO WAY that they just stood around and watched what happend and called the police.  So, the only place we have verifiable lies coming from is the Korean side&#8230;take that for what it is worth at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I say throw them in jail without a fair trial? You did, I didn&#039;t. 
But you&#039;ve already made up your mind that they&#039;re innocent, just based on the fact that they opened their mouths. So what do you think happened here? The restaurant owner and her daughter decided to take on the 6 innocent drunk GI&#039;s because they didn&#039;t like the group? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I say throw them in jail without a fair trial? You did, I didn&#039;t.<br />
But you&#039;ve already made up your mind that they&#039;re innocent, just based on the fact that they opened their mouths. So what do you think happened here? The restaurant owner and her daughter decided to take on the 6 innocent drunk GI&#039;s because they didn&#039;t like the group?</p>
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