Here is why you shouldn’t fool around with drunk privates in the barracks:
A jury panel on Tuesday found a 29-year-old sergeant not guilty of raping a 20-year-old private in her Camp Walker barracks room in June after a night of drinking.
Sgt. Quincy Babers also was acquitted on charges of making a false official statement and unlawful entry.
Babers, a supply sergeant with the 19th Sustainment Command (Expeditionary), said he wasn’t surprised by the verdict at the end of the one-day trial.
“The truth came out,†he said Tuesday evening.
Babers and his fiancee said the past six months have been the worst of their lives, with Babers being forced to stay in South Korea and away from his children in the United States while awaiting trial. He was supposed to leave the country in August. [Stars & Stripes]
Make sure to read the whole thing, but the only reason this sergeant isn’t in jail is because of the testimony of the roommate. If the female private’s roommate was not there this would have probably been another one of those NCO takes advantage of drunk private rape cases. Even though he was rightfully acquitted, this is one NCO I wouldn’t want in my unit.Â
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10:54 pm on December 13th, 2007 1
The NCO sounds like a scuzzball, and the private doesn’t seem to be the brightest bulb. Add alcohol and the results are predictable; only the details vary.
8:48 pm on December 14th, 2007 2
Hmmm…
It would be nice to see more personal responsibility. Further, alcohol consumption should not be an excuse for getting oneself into trouble…
…and, of course, I mean this for the GIRLS!
In “rape” cases such as this, if lack of consent had to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, there would be a whole new level of personal responsibility among a large number of a certain type of woman that infests the military.
Why did this even go to court?
Even worse, it is unbelievable that situations like this…
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=50978
…where it isn’t even reported for FIVE months, are not only taken seriously but result in a conviction… even when EVERYBODY around her testifies she is a habitual liar and has even asked them to lie to investigators.
Barracks/dorm hos crying rape because it is “cooler” than admitting they got drunk and banged some embarrassing zero, hose-monsters who claim rape when their fiance finds out, reporting rape to get revenge on some poor sap, girls who think they must have been raped because they certainly wouldn’t have done it with that loser if they were sober, sickos who brag about rape to get attention or sympathy… the list goes on and on… and everyone in the military has seen them… yet is generally afraid to call bullshyte when needed as they are deathly afraid of appearing “pro rape”.
Funny how there is always enough money to investigate and even prosecute these non-cases, throw away a fully trained soldier and then pay for unproductive confinement, but not quite enough to fully help a wounded soldier who has experienced real trauma and needs to get his life back together.
Of course, there ARE cases of actual rape… and those should be severely punished… but we aren’t talking about those…
…so, Usual Suspects, put your indignation away and don’t try to misrepresent what I have stated.
J!
5:37 am on December 15th, 2007 3
Chickenhead,
Personal responsibility goes two ways. When you are an NCO sleeping with privates in the barracks you are opening yourself up to rape allegations. Whenever I had to deal with female soldiers or inspect their rooms or what not I always had another witness with me preferably a female NCO. I would never give anyone the opportunity to accuse me of anything.
A 29 year old sergeant with a fiance and kids but sleeping around the barracks with drunk privates is not someone I would want in my unit.
3:15 pm on December 16th, 2007 4
GI, GI, GI…
Don’t change the subject. There is a difference between being a dummy and a raapist.
You seem to be excusing the poor decision-making, sluutty actions, and outright lies of this whoorish private by claiming, “When you are an NCO sleeping with privates in the barracks you are opening yourself up to raape allegations.” So… he had it coming, did he?
This is the male equivalent of, “She was asking for it. She deserved to be raaped.”
There are a small number of real raape cases in the military by a few real raapists… but the majority are of the “too drunk to meaningfully consent” variety by normal guys who were just following all the right signals… until she thought, “My roommate is going to tell my fiance back at the club what I’m doing right now. I’d better claim I had a blackout and cry raape! That’ll solve the problem.”
Equality dictates that everyone is responsible for their actions regardless of gender. Drunken raape is meaningful raape… and drunken consent is meaningful consent. Yes, GI, “Personal responsibility goes two ways.”
(I presume, even in today’s Army, some dude saying, “Sure, I willingly suucked that guy’s big, veiny diick and huummed his hairy nuuts,” isn’t lessened by, “but I was too drunk to meaningfully consent so it doesn’t count.” Nope. There’s one that will never be known as a bridge builder.)
When the burden of proof is not on the defendant and “too drunk for meaningful consent” is laughed out of court, the military is going to see a sharp drop in “raapes” and a lot more responsibility in everything from alcohol consumption to who gets invited back to the room…
…and, Bonus: You won’t be so scared of your own shadow that you can still do your job without a female NCO babysitting at your side.
J!