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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2007/12/21/the-dispute-over-japanese-whaling-grows/comment-page-1/#comment-381118</link>
		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who said kiwis as road kill?  They are going extinct due to habitat loss. And yes I have spent plenty of time in New Zealand. Anyway all this discussion about kiwis is obscuring the real issue which none of you have been able to answer.  

To review my main points which have been conveniently ignored:

- This is not an environmental issue, this is not a conservation issue, and this is not a territorial issue as the whale advocates claim.

- This is a dispute based on feelings.

- The Japanese want to commercially whale like other nations but want to do it through an international agreement.

- The tactics of the anti-whale people are only making the situation worse.

- If the anti-whale nations negotiated in good faith with the Japanese I’m willing to bet an agreement on Antarctic whaling could be reached.

- This issue is obscuring much larger real environmental issues that these same nations condemning Japan won’t deal with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who said kiwis as road kill?  They are going extinct due to habitat loss. And yes I have spent plenty of time in New Zealand. Anyway all this discussion about kiwis is obscuring the real issue which none of you have been able to answer.  </p>
<p>To review my main points which have been conveniently ignored:</p>
<p>- This is not an environmental issue, this is not a conservation issue, and this is not a territorial issue as the whale advocates claim.</p>
<p>- This is a dispute based on feelings.</p>
<p>- The Japanese want to commercially whale like other nations but want to do it through an international agreement.</p>
<p>- The tactics of the anti-whale people are only making the situation worse.</p>
<p>- If the anti-whale nations negotiated in good faith with the Japanese I’m willing to bet an agreement on Antarctic whaling could be reached.</p>
<p>- This issue is obscuring much larger real environmental issues that these same nations condemning Japan won’t deal with.</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2007/12/21/the-dispute-over-japanese-whaling-grows/comment-page-1/#comment-381068</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To GI KOREA

Have you ever been to NZ? 
There&#039;s no Kiwis as roadkill
and they&#039;re protected as hell. 
That&#039;s for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To GI KOREA</p>
<p>Have you ever been to NZ?<br />
There&#8217;s no Kiwis as roadkill<br />
and they&#8217;re protected as hell.<br />
That&#8217;s for free.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2007/12/21/the-dispute-over-japanese-whaling-grows/comment-page-1/#comment-379726</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This point actually supports whaling because if krill is running low in the oceans then it makes sense to then out the whale population before they starve to death.&quot;
Where did you learn that krill are top-down limited by whales? It&#039;s bottom-up, and you are clearly an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This point actually supports whaling because if krill is running low in the oceans then it makes sense to then out the whale population before they starve to death.&#8221;<br />
Where did you learn that krill are top-down limited by whales? It&#8217;s bottom-up, and you are clearly an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon LaPorte</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2007/12/21/the-dispute-over-japanese-whaling-grows/comment-page-1/#comment-379669</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon LaPorte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about whale farms? Then we are not talking about the &quot;Majestic Beasts of the Wilds&quot; merely live stock. You&#039;ll lose none of the wild population - BOOM - solution. Or is it all really about something else? Hmmm...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about whale farms? Then we are not talking about the &#8220;Majestic Beasts of the Wilds&#8221; merely live stock. You&#8217;ll lose none of the wild population &#8211; BOOM &#8211; solution. Or is it all really about something else? Hmmm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ChickenHead</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2007/12/21/the-dispute-over-japanese-whaling-grows/comment-page-1/#comment-379665</link>
		<dc:creator>ChickenHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;“animals are FOOD!!” This is one idea that is going to need to change, and fast, if humans stand any chance of reducing the impact of climate change.&quot;

Hahahahhahahah! 

But you may be right.  All those methane-belching, carbon-exhaling animals are destroying the environment.

We need to get rid of them to protect our climate against Change.

Let&#039;s start with the big ones, first.

Let&#039;s start with the whales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“animals are FOOD!!” This is one idea that is going to need to change, and fast, if humans stand any chance of reducing the impact of climate change.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hahahahhahahah! </p>
<p>But you may be right.  All those methane-belching, carbon-exhaling animals are destroying the environment.</p>
<p>We need to get rid of them to protect our climate against Change.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start with the big ones, first.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start with the whales.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;animals are FOOD!!&quot; This is one idea that is going to need to change, and fast, if humans stand any chance of reducing the impact of climate change.
&quot;humans have deep emotional intelligence, understand death, and feel long term loss for others.. animals do not&quot; Where is your evidence? The scientific literature is full of examples to the contrary.

And now the whalers attempt murder to try to force the objectors to quit. They clearly think they are beyond any law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;animals are FOOD!!&#8221; This is one idea that is going to need to change, and fast, if humans stand any chance of reducing the impact of climate change.<br />
&#8220;humans have deep emotional intelligence, understand death, and feel long term loss for others.. animals do not&#8221; Where is your evidence? The scientific literature is full of examples to the contrary.</p>
<p>And now the whalers attempt murder to try to force the objectors to quit. They clearly think they are beyond any law.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“introduced predators in New Zealand are part of habitat loss”
No. You are confusing different ecological concepts.

“I doubt you know more than a Maori giving a presentation about the kiwis they have there at Te Puia”
I beg to differ.
1). Te Puia is a tourist attraction and barely registers on the kiwi conservation radar.
2). If you are suggesting that this person is an authority of some sort because they are Maori, you are racist and away with the fairies. I guess, since you seem to consider yourself an authority on everything to do with the Aus and NZ environment, you are aware that Maori basically raped and destroyed as much of NZ and its wildlife as their technology allowed. Europeans then came along with more advanced technology. Maori destroyed approximately 1/3 to ½ of the original forest cover in a very short period following their arrival. This has been described as one of the most spectacular pre-industrial ecological transformations anywhere in the world. More than twice as many bird species became extinct between the first arrival of Maori and the arrival of Europeans, compared with the period since.
3). I work with leading NZ scientists working on introduced pests and their effects on NZ native species, and the effects of habitat change. I know personally the scientists leading research on kiwi and the kiwi recovery programme leader.

“especially when you can look around the Internet and find postings about the impact possums have on not only kiwis but the New Zealand environment in general”
If any more of your “facts”, and the opinions you develop from them, are based on looking around the internet, you have just thrown any credibility you may have had out the window.
No one denies possums are an ecological disaster for many species in NZ, but they are NOT the main threat to KIWI as you stated.

“So why don’t you go do something about the near extinction of kiwis”
Yes, that’s my job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“introduced predators in New Zealand are part of habitat loss”<br />
No. You are confusing different ecological concepts.</p>
<p>“I doubt you know more than a Maori giving a presentation about the kiwis they have there at Te Puia”<br />
I beg to differ.<br />
1). Te Puia is a tourist attraction and barely registers on the kiwi conservation radar.<br />
2). If you are suggesting that this person is an authority of some sort because they are Maori, you are racist and away with the fairies. I guess, since you seem to consider yourself an authority on everything to do with the Aus and NZ environment, you are aware that Maori basically raped and destroyed as much of NZ and its wildlife as their technology allowed. Europeans then came along with more advanced technology. Maori destroyed approximately 1/3 to ½ of the original forest cover in a very short period following their arrival. This has been described as one of the most spectacular pre-industrial ecological transformations anywhere in the world. More than twice as many bird species became extinct between the first arrival of Maori and the arrival of Europeans, compared with the period since.<br />
3). I work with leading NZ scientists working on introduced pests and their effects on NZ native species, and the effects of habitat change. I know personally the scientists leading research on kiwi and the kiwi recovery programme leader.</p>
<p>“especially when you can look around the Internet and find postings about the impact possums have on not only kiwis but the New Zealand environment in general”<br />
If any more of your “facts”, and the opinions you develop from them, are based on looking around the internet, you have just thrown any credibility you may have had out the window.<br />
No one denies possums are an ecological disaster for many species in NZ, but they are NOT the main threat to KIWI as you stated.</p>
<p>“So why don’t you go do something about the near extinction of kiwis”<br />
Yes, that’s my job.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wesley Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets just do it once.. Do it right..

Whaling is fucked.  

The Japanese claim the Western world doesnt respect their culture or traditions.

Right.  I&#039;ll accept that.  I&#039;ll wear that.

HOWEVER..   If the Japanese are making such a big deal out of culture and traditions.  RETURN to the TRADITIONAL method of whaling.  Go back to the little timber boats.. Do it all by hand.

None of this floating cannery and warehouse crap.   If the Japanese people wish to be respected, then they should act respectfully.

None of this exploiting legal loop-holes to make a fortune.

Honour is something the Japanese hold highly.   So.  Where is the honour in lying to the world?   Where is the honour in underhanded tactics to harvest more whales, year after year.   It&#039;s not scientific research.  We all know this, and they know we know this.    Yet they continue to bitch about it claiming it&#039;s all Scientific Research.

Show me the progress made by all these years of research.   Show me the proof, show me what is being researched.

The Japanese should do one of two things.   Return to TRADITIONAL whaling methods in line with their cultural and traditional heritage.  Or just own up to their multi-million dollar industry that is exploiting a legal loop-hole just to make money.

I personally believe it&#039;s about money.  Not the tradition and culture they claim.

There is no Honour in what the Japanese are doing in this regard.   As such.  I have no respect for them whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets just do it once.. Do it right..</p>
<p>Whaling is fucked.  </p>
<p>The Japanese claim the Western world doesnt respect their culture or traditions.</p>
<p>Right.  I&#8217;ll accept that.  I&#8217;ll wear that.</p>
<p>HOWEVER..   If the Japanese are making such a big deal out of culture and traditions.  RETURN to the TRADITIONAL method of whaling.  Go back to the little timber boats.. Do it all by hand.</p>
<p>None of this floating cannery and warehouse crap.   If the Japanese people wish to be respected, then they should act respectfully.</p>
<p>None of this exploiting legal loop-holes to make a fortune.</p>
<p>Honour is something the Japanese hold highly.   So.  Where is the honour in lying to the world?   Where is the honour in underhanded tactics to harvest more whales, year after year.   It&#8217;s not scientific research.  We all know this, and they know we know this.    Yet they continue to bitch about it claiming it&#8217;s all Scientific Research.</p>
<p>Show me the progress made by all these years of research.   Show me the proof, show me what is being researched.</p>
<p>The Japanese should do one of two things.   Return to TRADITIONAL whaling methods in line with their cultural and traditional heritage.  Or just own up to their multi-million dollar industry that is exploiting a legal loop-hole just to make money.</p>
<p>I personally believe it&#8217;s about money.  Not the tradition and culture they claim.</p>
<p>There is no Honour in what the Japanese are doing in this regard.   As such.  I have no respect for them whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: Mjoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mjoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops ... there was a mistake made in the third sentence.  It should read ...

In this case, BNGOA can recruit informants within suspect NGOs as well as have undercover agents as their members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops &#8230; there was a mistake made in the third sentence.  It should read &#8230;</p>
<p>In this case, BNGOA can recruit informants within suspect NGOs as well as have undercover agents as their members.</p>
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		<title>By: Mjoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mjoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the government should set up something like BNGOA (Bureau of Non-Governmental Organization Affairs) whose job is to watch over NGOs.  In particular, NGOs with radical members or tendencies are singled out.  In this case, NGOs can recruit informants within suspect NGOs as well as have undercover agents as members.  Thereafter, BNGOA periodically compiles blacklists, which is not open to the public until a few years have elapsed.  In special circumstances, BNGOA is given license to abduct or even kill NGO members included in the blacklist.  In addition, BNGOA may raid and take over the assets of suspect NGO with a just cause.

For the most part, NGOs are subject to BNGOA&#039;s scrutiny.  Any setting up of NGOs and operations is illegal, unless it is first approved by BNGOA.  Violators can be subject to hefty fines, or even life imprisonment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the government should set up something like BNGOA (Bureau of Non-Governmental Organization Affairs) whose job is to watch over NGOs.  In particular, NGOs with radical members or tendencies are singled out.  In this case, NGOs can recruit informants within suspect NGOs as well as have undercover agents as members.  Thereafter, BNGOA periodically compiles blacklists, which is not open to the public until a few years have elapsed.  In special circumstances, BNGOA is given license to abduct or even kill NGO members included in the blacklist.  In addition, BNGOA may raid and take over the assets of suspect NGO with a just cause.</p>
<p>For the most part, NGOs are subject to BNGOA&#8217;s scrutiny.  Any setting up of NGOs and operations is illegal, unless it is first approved by BNGOA.  Violators can be subject to hefty fines, or even life imprisonment.</p>
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