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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on January 10th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

It’s Official, Seoul to Seek Further Operational Control Delays

I said last year when the first operational control delay was announced that the Korean government was just buying more time to create further delays and this obvious assessment has been proven correct:

Seoul is minded to ask the United States to delay the transfer of wartime operational control of Korean troops, slated for Apr. 17, 2012, until a later year. It remains to be seen whether the request has a chance of finding a hearing.

After a briefing from the Defense Ministry on Tuesday, president-elect Lee Myung-bak’s Transition Committee said the new government should reconsider the transfer of troop control after consultations with the U.S., given security threats from the North Korean nuclear problem and the South’s limited defense capabilities. [Chosun Ilbo]

The incoming Lee Myung-bak is focusing on jump starting the Korean economy and build his canal which will take a huge amount of capitol to do.  Billions of dollars will be needed to upgrade the ROK military to take over operational control which is something President Roh despite his rhetoric had no intention of ever doing and President-elect Lee Myung-bak has no intention of doing as well. 

Why pay the billions needed to buy upgraded equipment and capabilities when you can spend less than a billion year to fund USFK with the vast majority of the money going to subsidize Korean employees who work for USFK, while America in return provides first rate military technology and capabilities to ensure the national security of the country with? 

  • Kingkitty
    12:53 pm on January 10th, 2008 1

    There you go again bashing Kingkittys people. Put the hate down

  • Dr.Yu
    3:43 pm on January 10th, 2008 2

    "Why pay the billions needed to buy upgraded equipment and capabilities when you can spend less than a billion year to fund USFK with the vast majority of the money going to subsidize Korean employees who work for USFK, while America in return provides first rate military technology and capabilities to ensure the national security of the country with?"

    The reason is because Korea wants to become a self-reliant country. So even if we have to spend thousand times more that money, we will.
    Thorough our history we have always been subjected to the control of foreign countries, and although it may look difficult, if not impossible, we want to build an army capable of protecting ourselves against our neighbors and potential enemies.
    The US is our ally and Korea count on your country to help us to achieve this objective

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    11:26 pm on January 10th, 2008 3

    Dr. Yu,

    If Korea wants to be a self reliant country than why doesn't it immediately take back operational control and buy the air defense systems, intelligence systems, communications systems, command and control systems, stealth aircraft, nuclear submarines, advanced bombers, tomahawk missiles, etc. etc. that the US military is providing free of charge?

    The fact of the matter is that the Korean government does not want to spend this money to become self reliant. They don't even want to spend money to pay their conscripted soldiers properly much less hi-tech equipment to achieve self reliance.

    It is ironic that despite your claims the US is more interested in making Korea self reliant then Korea itself.

  • Dr.Yu
    6:46 pm on January 11th, 2008 4

    I wish Korea could buy all those wonderful toys, but we have a little problem: We don’t have all that money (and actually I doubt any country in the world have it), just a small part of it, so it will take time until we can buy them all, and play the “big boss” of Asia.

    Isn’t obvious? No money, no capacity to take back the operational control. So …. You can expect probably more delay on that.

    Only if USA could help Korea by allowing to have access to the needed equipments by affordable price … without restriction … I’m sure that would be a real sign of American interest to help Korean self-reliance.

    Now I have no idea if the Korean government is purposely delaying to take back the control, but if there is another reason than the budget problems, well … that’s bad …

    Regarding “Free of charge”, well …. That’s debatable but I think this is not a useful kind of debate for now.

  • Knickerbocker
    8:43 pm on January 11th, 2008 5

    How much more money would Seoul have if it didn't fund Pyongyang's nuclear weapons program? A couple billion, I'd say. That money would've been better spent arming the ROK military and gaining more of that self reliance they can't afford.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    9:37 pm on January 11th, 2008 6

    Dr. Yu,

    Many of the "toys" are easily available to the ROK government to buy, they just don't want to. As knickerbocker stated over a billion dollars last year was sent to Kim Jong-il to fund his nuclear and missile programs:

    Also if Korea has no money where the money going to come from to build a canal across the country along with an enormous slave labor island out in the ocean? Korea has plenty of money they just choose not to spend it on the military.

    Some technology cannot be shared with the ROK Army because of spies. Does the Ilshimhoe spy scandal ring a bell? Plus the ROK government prefers not to buy everything from the US and has the ability to manufacture their own equipment such as is the case with the very nice tank and artillery systems they have created. However, the manufactures have actually sold more of this equipment to overseas militaries than what the ROK Army has purchased because the ROK government doesn't want to spend the money necessary to buy this modern Korean manufactured equipment.

    Additionally it doesn't take any new technology to pay ROK soldiers more. It is disgraceful how little the soldiers are paid. They are nothing more than slave labor.

    The ability for self reliant defense is easily capable for Korea but they choose not to do it so money can keep flowing to Kim Jong-il and government pork projects can keep be being built along with keeping the USFK gravy train rolling.

  • Jax
    10:03 pm on January 11th, 2008 7

    It is interesting how Dr. Yu suddenly becomes Pro-American when Korea wants a free lunch from USFK.

    … reminds me of Chung Dong-young's "unwavering Pro-US stance"

    I am starting to miss his usual rantings on criminal foreigner behavior in Korea.

  • Skippy-san
    4:06 pm on January 13th, 2008 8

    Thank you for reminding me that I wasted 5 weeks in Korea working on a progject that was a complete waste of time. Your remarks about the ROKS being not prepared to invest in the C2 infrastructure to support an operational control relationship are right on the mark. Ask how many CENTRIXS terminals are in Busan and who the ROKS expect to provide them. Its not pretty.

  • Nomad
    2:21 am on January 14th, 2008 9

    Ask how many CENTRIXS terminals are in Busan and who the ROKS expect to provide them. Its not pretty.

    Funny you mention that…those are the systems I maintain and yes, you're absolutely correct :)

  • Dr.Yu
    3:06 pm on January 14th, 2008 10

    For koreans NK is part of our self reliance dream, that's why we spend money with them. South and North united means bigger country with bigger capacity to succeed with bigger army, economy, resources, etc. So when we spend money in NK instead of buying weapons we are still investing in our self reliance project.

    Now, I was not trying to be a pro-american but rather ironic and sarcastic since even the USA desiring Korean self reliance “more than Koreans”, Korea has to pay more money than Japan for the same weapons. The desire to earn some money with the Koreans self reliance dreams seems more apparent than the desire to help Korean self reliance.

    I have no illusion about american kindness, “Free lunch” is never free with you. As I said before, it is debatable … I just don’t want waste my time with this matter. It would be time wasting.

    Regarding slave labor island, are you talking about Guantanamo? Oh right … In Guantanamo slaves don’t work. They just pray all day long for their life and a minimum of human right recognition.

  • Jax
    7:46 pm on January 15th, 2008 11

    Korean Self Reliance Project ???

    You might want to re-title that as "North Korean Self Reliance Project (paid for by South Koreans with Zero Accountability)"

    Fortunately, the majority of South Korean voters saw through that facade and overwhelmingly rejected the senseless Unification/Self Reliance economics that you prescribe.

    And since those South Korean voters have had to actually pay the bills, their word carries far greater weight than a Korean ex-pat living in Brazil.

  • Dr.Yu
    8:56 pm on January 15th, 2008 12

    I’m getting tired of this kind of conversation.
    We keep revolving on the same place, with the same worn out arguments just to find out that thinks will remain the same regardless of how much we discuss and argue.
    Until any new (intelligent) argument is bought, I will leave this conversation.

  • Jax
    11:29 pm on January 15th, 2008 13

    Tired? … No intelligent argument? …

    Are you hinting that you want the debate to be over? That is the usual tactic for those who want to avoid reality. Just ask Al Gore.

    The reason why we keep revolving is because all roads lead back to the fact that Sunshine Policy economics are a disgrace to both the North Korean non-elite who get nothing and the South Korean taxpayers who get stuck with the bill (and who also get to vote).

  • Dr.Yu
    4:39 pm on January 16th, 2008 14

    I'm just tired of insulting and being insulted.
    If you think we can keep conversation in a better level I'll be glad to keep the conversation.
    This is not a personal attack to you.

  • Jax
    6:55 pm on January 16th, 2008 15

    My advice: Get over it and move on.

  • Knickerbocker
    7:40 pm on January 16th, 2008 16

    Dr. Yu,

    As far as I'm concerned, anyone who defends Pyongyang at this point is anti-Korean.

    Keeping Kim Jong-il in power is about the cruelest thing you can do to North Koreans.

    And now that they have nuclear weapons, the issue goes even beyond their squalid borders.

  • Kakusu
    12:01 pm on January 17th, 2008 17

    Dr Yu: "…self reliance dream…"

    Sounds alot like like "juche"

    You should read up on the Foreign Military Sales program. I don't think you quite understand how it works. Yes… I'm afraid nations have to pay for military hardware. For you to suggest the US is selfish for not giving ROK some sort of preferential treatment is like an American complaining that I have to pay full price for a brand new Hyundai car. There is no free lunch anywhere, "Dr. Yu" – including Korea.

    Koreans who truly want self reliance are against unification. A post unification Korea will be more dependent on foreign nations or NGOs for economic aid, humanitarian assistance, and large amounts of foreign capital.

    Gitmo = red herring

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