Comments on: GI Myths: Is the US Military Crime Rate in Korea Out of Control? http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/ Korea From North to South Fri, 25 May 2012 18:27:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: grizzled old coot http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/comment-page-2/#comment-449266 grizzled old coot Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:08:16 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/#comment-449266 wasn't the korean war like 60 years ago? one thing u gotta learn about asia is they'll bleed whitey dry. Then plant the knife in the back when the cash is gone. Marry one of dem prostitutes u complain about (gee wonder why so many of em.. must bet THEIR fault).. good luck.. she love u long time.. til the $$ runs out. I've been to china, korea, and japan. Ironically, China seemed to be the place that most likes americans. The evil communists. But we never occupied china, they love us cuz we nuked japan. wasn’t the korean war like 60 years ago?

one thing u gotta learn about asia is they’ll bleed whitey dry. Then plant the knife in the back when the cash is gone.

Marry one of dem prostitutes u complain about (gee wonder why so many of em.. must bet THEIR fault).. good luck.. she love u long time.. til the $$ runs out.

I’ve been to china, korea, and japan. Ironically, China seemed to be the place that most likes americans. The evil communists. But we never occupied china, they love us cuz we nuked japan.

]]> By: The Wae Guk In http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/comment-page-2/#comment-439491 The Wae Guk In Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:04:46 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/#comment-439491 I'm surprised opinions are still being posted onto this thread :shock: I am currently a soldier stationed in Korea, I also happen to have learned Korean for my job. Aside from the language, I learned about the people, culture, way of life, etc. Korea is an amazing country, with so much to do and do much to see. But honestly, I've come to dread going off post with my Korean friends due to the snares from other Koreans, the muttering of American hatred, and the constant disrespectful and inconsiderate actions towards me, just because I am a soldier. Yes, I understand that some U.S military stationed in Korea do stupid things, who doesn't? Name one place in this perfect world where there is absolutely no crime. Exactly, there is no such place. I do not care about the crime rate numbers of soldiers to Koreans, there is a bad person in every race, religion, nationality. What I do know is that in Korea U.S soldiers definitely get the short end of the stick when it comes to being convicted. Every little thing a soldier does here the Korean press makes a huge deal about it, trying to throw them in jail for a petty act that doesn't even deserve police involvement. Also sentencing in Korea for Americans is much harsher than for Korean natives. When is the last time you heard about Koreans raping a U.S military dependent, or beating a soldier almost to death? NEVER, but it happens way more than you might think. What about all the good the U.S and its military have done for Korea? Also, this curfew is bullshit. It was applied to the soldiers mainly due to the rape case of a Korean minor by a 21 year old U.S Soldier (which in my opinion if you rape or kill someone, doesn't matter who they were, and what they were doing, especially minors, you should receive nothing less than the death penalty, Soldier, Korean, White, Black, Purple, ANYONE. Call me ruthless). We do not need pieces of waste like that in the U.S military, giving us a bad rep. Personally, I have many coworkers, many "buddies", but most of my close friends here are either soldiers with the same job as me or Korean natives. While being in Korea, I have made many Korean friends, and always the first thing that comes out most of their mouths when I meet them are "Oh your Korean is so good!! Your a soldier? My parents say you rape and kill Koreans, scary. Why are there so many U.S Soldiers in Korea?"... Are you fucking kidding me? This is the type of stuff Korean elders feed to the new generation, which by the way barely knows anything about North Korea and the Korean War and the fact that they are technically still at war. They know more about why they hate the Japanese than knowing that the U.S along with the U.N saved South Korea from North Korean destruction and communism. They seriously have no idea what is going on and why we are in Korea. -This is all a completely unbiased write-up of some of my opinions and experiences. I am a U.S soldier, a damn good one, who loves his country and will do anything for it. But the tension in this country between Koreans and soldiers pisses me off. I’m surprised opinions are still being posted onto this thread :shock:
I am currently a soldier stationed in Korea, I also happen to have learned Korean for my job. Aside from the language, I learned about the people, culture, way of life, etc. Korea is an amazing country, with so much to do and do much to see. But honestly, I’ve come to dread going off post with my Korean friends due to the snares from other Koreans, the muttering of American hatred, and the constant disrespectful and inconsiderate actions towards me, just because I am a soldier.
Yes, I understand that some U.S military stationed in Korea do stupid things, who doesn’t? Name one place in this perfect world where there is absolutely no crime. Exactly, there is no such place. I do not care about the crime rate numbers of soldiers to Koreans, there is a bad person in every race, religion, nationality. What I do know is that in Korea U.S soldiers definitely get the short end of the stick when it comes to being convicted. Every little thing a soldier does here the Korean press makes a huge deal about it, trying to throw them in jail for a petty act that doesn’t even deserve police involvement. Also sentencing in Korea for Americans is much harsher than for Korean natives. When is the last time you heard about Koreans raping a U.S military dependent, or beating a soldier almost to death? NEVER, but it happens way more than you might think. What about all the good the U.S and its military have done for Korea? Also, this curfew is bullshit. It was applied to the soldiers mainly due to the rape case of a Korean minor by a 21 year old U.S Soldier (which in my opinion if you rape or kill someone, doesn’t matter who they were, and what they were doing, especially minors, you should receive nothing less than the death penalty, Soldier, Korean, White, Black, Purple, ANYONE. Call me ruthless). We do not need pieces of waste like that in the U.S military, giving us a bad rep.
Personally, I have many coworkers, many “buddies”, but most of my close friends here are either soldiers with the same job as me or Korean natives. While being in Korea, I have made many Korean friends, and always the first thing that comes out most of their mouths when I meet them are “Oh your Korean is so good!! Your a soldier? My parents say you rape and kill Koreans, scary. Why are there so many U.S Soldiers in Korea?”… Are you fucking kidding me? This is the type of stuff Korean elders feed to the new generation, which by the way barely knows anything about North Korea and the Korean War and the fact that they are technically still at war. They know more about why they hate the Japanese than knowing that the U.S along with the U.N saved South Korea from North Korean destruction and communism. They seriously have no idea what is going on and why we are in Korea.
-This is all a completely unbiased write-up of some of my opinions and experiences. I am a U.S soldier, a damn good one, who loves his country and will do anything for it. But the tension in this country between Koreans and soldiers pisses me off.

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]]> By: Marcie http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/comment-page-2/#comment-439341 Marcie Wed, 16 Nov 2011 07:42:27 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/#comment-439341 Half of the links in the post are not real... I question the partial tone, and then to not have a lot of real links is intersting Half of the links in the post are not real… I question the partial tone, and then to not have a lot of real links is intersting

]]> By: Bill Cherry http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/comment-page-2/#comment-434470 Bill Cherry Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:20:46 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/#comment-434470 I served as a Sgt. wiith the 142nd Military Police Co. in Yongsan for 6yrs during the late 70"s. Crimes against American GI's or Koreans was not a problem. When one occured 8th Army Command/Provost Marshall's Office took it serious. At that time the Military Police and Korean Police worked well together to solve these problems. I do visit Korea from time to time and still don't see a problem. I do however hear bitching from "some" of the Korea people I encounter. I believe the answer is simple if were not wanted, welcome, and appreciated we should leave. But once were gone don't start crying wishing we were there when you have problems from the north and rest assured when we leave there will be problems. I served as a Sgt. wiith the 142nd Military Police Co. in Yongsan for 6yrs during the late 70″s. Crimes against American GI’s or Koreans was not a problem. When one occured 8th Army Command/Provost Marshall’s Office took it serious. At that time the Military Police and Korean Police worked well together to solve these problems. I do visit Korea from time to time and still don’t see a problem. I do however hear bitching from “some” of the Korea people I encounter. I believe the answer is simple if were not wanted, welcome, and appreciated we should leave. But once were gone don’t start crying wishing we were there when you have problems from the north and rest assured when we leave there will be problems.

]]> By: Avocado http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/comment-page-2/#comment-434337 Avocado Fri, 30 Sep 2011 20:19:19 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/#comment-434337 I'm living in California now but I served in The 17th Aviation Group in Youngsan 27 years ago as a KATUSA soldier. To me the point is very clear. GI criminals have very high chances to avoid arrests after conducting crimes in Korea unlike Korean civilians. The arrest rate or conviction rate does not explain much as long as GI criminals still can escape the criminal site and run into compound. And then Korean low enforcement hardly can do much for those cases. Even though US military leadership wants to see 0 crime rate off compound, MP does not show much energy in investigating criminal cases reported from Koreans off compound. Koreans do not seem to blame GI soldiers completely ignoring Korean crimes against GI soldiers. Koreans want to have a better justice system and a more effective police act system. @GI, issue of one year duty term without family is not a sound excuse. Instead, try harder to improve cooperation between US army MP and Korean local low enforcement if you are in a military leadership group. Koreans will be happy to see lower GI crimes off compound but not the GI arrest rate and will be proud to see less stupid attacks to innocent GI soldiers by Korean civilians as well. But we'll need a better justice and police systems most of all. I’m living in California now but I served in The 17th Aviation Group in Youngsan 27 years ago as a KATUSA soldier.

To me the point is very clear. GI criminals have very high chances to avoid arrests after conducting crimes in Korea unlike Korean civilians.

The arrest rate or conviction rate does not explain much as long as GI criminals still can escape the criminal site and run into compound. And then Korean low enforcement hardly can do much for those cases. Even though US military leadership wants to see 0 crime rate off compound, MP does not show much energy in investigating criminal cases reported from Koreans off compound.

Koreans do not seem to blame GI soldiers completely ignoring Korean crimes against GI soldiers. Koreans want to have a better justice system and a more effective police act system.

@GI, issue of one year duty term without family is not a sound excuse. Instead, try harder to improve cooperation between US army MP and Korean local low enforcement if you are in a military leadership group.

Koreans will be happy to see lower GI crimes off compound but not the GI arrest rate and will be proud to see less stupid attacks to innocent GI soldiers by Korean civilians as well. But we’ll need a better justice and police systems most of all.

]]> By: kangaji http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/comment-page-2/#comment-413129 kangaji Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:11:25 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/#comment-413129 What I mean is - people on the street wouldn't believe defectors talking about how bad north korea was!! I heard this first hand from defectors. It really baffled me. What I mean is – people on the street wouldn't believe defectors talking about how bad north korea was!! I heard this first hand from defectors. It really baffled me.

]]> By: kangaji http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/comment-page-1/#comment-413128 kangaji Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:09:57 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/#comment-413128 Mike: I passed by that sign myself in December 2002 or 2003 I think on my way to Kyobo books. That's really the only one I saw, and I only had two instances where I was told to get out of a place or not to come in. One was a speaker store at Yongsan electronics market and one was some place in Itaewon, so it was all near military bases. I was a student at the time so this was general anti-foreigner bias based solely off my looks and accent and not having anything to do with being in the military or speaking English. Actually, some people thought I was German some of the time while I was in Korea when they weren't on foreigner = probably american mood. I remember the news of Hyoseon and Miseon getting hit by the APC in the summer and I said it wouldn't become a huge issue until October with the elections coming up. It really made me mad that RMH capitalized off the APC incident politically and it was one of the factors in that election. Why did everyone care in October but nobody paid as much attention during the summer? Well, anyway, I'm glad Baek Il Hoe (or is it Il.Shin Hoe?), Sunshine bribes, and several other things have come to light. It sucked to even be a tal.buk.ja (defectors) during 2002/2003 because there was so much pro-North/Anti-US sentiment with some of the left. Peoples' thinking has REALLY changed since the APC incident. This sign was put up at the height of anti-americanism 8 years ago, so, don't read too much into an 8 year old sign put up during an election year. Mike: I passed by that sign myself in December 2002 or 2003 I think on my way to Kyobo books. That's really the only one I saw, and I only had two instances where I was told to get out of a place or not to come in. One was a speaker store at Yongsan electronics market and one was some place in Itaewon, so it was all near military bases. I was a student at the time so this was general anti-foreigner bias based solely off my looks and accent and not having anything to do with being in the military or speaking English. Actually, some people thought I was German some of the time while I was in Korea when they weren't on foreigner = probably american mood. I remember the news of Hyoseon and Miseon getting hit by the APC in the summer and I said it wouldn't become a huge issue until October with the elections coming up. It really made me mad that RMH capitalized off the APC incident politically and it was one of the factors in that election. Why did everyone care in October but nobody paid as much attention during the summer?

Well, anyway, I'm glad Baek Il Hoe (or is it Il.Shin Hoe?), Sunshine bribes, and several other things have come to light. It sucked to even be a tal.buk.ja (defectors) during 2002/2003 because there was so much pro-North/Anti-US sentiment with some of the left. Peoples' thinking has REALLY changed since the APC incident. This sign was put up at the height of anti-americanism 8 years ago, so, don't read too much into an 8 year old sign put up during an election year.

]]> By: Tom http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/comment-page-1/#comment-413120 Tom Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:30:52 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/#comment-413120 "Do you still see signs like “Americans not welcome here” even after North Korea bombed South Korea? If this is still the case, this reinforces what one of my mentors told me that Korea is indeed “the land of many faces.”" No you won't see those signs. Most of the hatred comes from expats and GI's on the internet. Go visit the Korea Times, and read all the racist comments against Koreans. in Korea. Koreans are kind people toward anybody who are kind to Koreans. But talk about a victim complex... LOL. "Do you still see signs like “Americans not welcome here” even after North Korea bombed South Korea? If this is still the case, this reinforces what one of my mentors told me that Korea is indeed “the land of many faces.”"

No you won't see those signs. Most of the hatred comes from expats and GI's on the internet. Go visit the Korea Times, and read all the racist comments against Koreans. in Korea. Koreans are kind people toward anybody who are kind to Koreans. But talk about a victim complex… LOL.

]]> By: JEONG CHUN PHUOC http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/comment-page-1/#comment-413101 JEONG CHUN PHUOC Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:48:23 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/#comment-413101 "US Department of Adjustment and the Principle of US Moral Aptitude in Occupied Territory under International Law" Jeong Chun Phuoc, 29 march 2011 US soldiers sent by the Pentagon to carry out the moral duty and war on terrorism surprisingly lacked the moral sanctity and awareness in local cultural sensitivity. Unacceptable acts committed by US combat troops in remote parts of the world is becoming something 'normal' for the US force but a nightmare for the US Foreign Department in rapid damage-control media reactions. The recent case of a US military contractor in the Pakistani case is just another apt example of US utter disregard for local customs and respects. It is no wonder, the people in South Korea, Japan etc do not want to see the continuance of US permanent de facto 'occupation’ in South Korea, Japan, Afghanistan, Iraq,etc where the 'war on terrorism' is in fact “US creeping Occupation” of free and democratic nations-never mind the 4th Amendment under the US Constitution. The executive summary must be made clear under international transparency rules : US occupation of the Arab world will soon be complete. Libya is just another chest game for the US War Economy chest. Barrack Obama’s New World Order will see to it that the ‘Change’ the people want is the complete control and permanent occupation-in infinitive form and degree-of all US interest in strategic assets and environmental territories around the world. Russia knows it since the fall of the Tzar. China is fully aware of it after the Cultural Revolution and the aftermath of Mao Zedong’s Red Book. India understands this agenda only after the death of Mahatma Gandhi. The British still cherish the desire of an invisible ‘British Empire’ for ‘Queen and Country’; and Israel will emerge as the benefactor in a world of turmoil after their journey in the wilderness since the biblical exodus. Unfortunately Israel have not learn anything significant though : The Wilderness Way Then it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God did not lead them by way of the land of the Philistines, although that was nearer; for God said, “Lest perhaps the people change their minds when they see war, and return to Egypt.” [Exodus 13:17] …………………………….. JEONG CHUN PHUOC Advocate in Strategic Environment and Taxation Intelligence(SETI) He can be reached at Jeongphu@yahoo.com "US Department of Adjustment and the Principle of US Moral Aptitude in Occupied Territory under International Law"

Jeong Chun Phuoc, 29 march 2011

US soldiers sent by the Pentagon to carry out the moral duty and war on terrorism surprisingly lacked the moral sanctity and awareness in local cultural sensitivity.

Unacceptable acts committed by US combat troops in remote parts of the world is becoming something 'normal' for the US force but a nightmare for the US Foreign Department in rapid damage-control media reactions.

The recent case of a US military contractor in the Pakistani case is just another apt example of US utter disregard for local customs and respects.

It is no wonder, the people in South Korea, Japan etc do not want to see the continuance of US permanent de facto 'occupation’ in South Korea, Japan, Afghanistan, Iraq,etc where the 'war on terrorism' is in fact “US creeping Occupation” of free and democratic nations-never mind the 4th Amendment under the US Constitution.

The executive summary must be made clear under international transparency rules : US occupation of the Arab world will soon be complete. Libya is just another chest game for the US War Economy chest.

Barrack Obama’s New World Order will see to it that the ‘Change’ the people want is the complete control and permanent occupation-in infinitive form and degree-of all US interest in strategic assets and environmental territories around the world.

Russia knows it since the fall of the Tzar. China is fully aware of it after the Cultural Revolution and the aftermath of Mao Zedong’s Red Book. India understands this agenda only after the death of Mahatma Gandhi. The British still cherish the desire of an invisible ‘British Empire’ for ‘Queen and Country’; and Israel will emerge as the benefactor in a world of turmoil after their journey in the wilderness since the biblical exodus. Unfortunately Israel have not learn anything significant though :

The Wilderness Way

Then it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God did not lead them by way of the land of the Philistines, although that was nearer; for God said, “Lest perhaps the people change their minds when they see war, and return to Egypt.”

[Exodus 13:17]

……………………………..

JEONG CHUN PHUOC

Advocate in Strategic Environment and Taxation Intelligence(SETI)

He can be reached at Jeongphu@yahoo.com

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