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		<title>By: Why Do GI&#8217;s Complain About Korea?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why Do GI&#8217;s Complain About Korea?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an apartment in Korea for those both command and non-command sponsored often means dealing with shady land landlords and corrupt rental agencies. Landlords in Korea are infamous for ripping off GI’s of their deposit money because they delay [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A Profile of USFK Camps in Seoul</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Profile of USFK Camps in Seoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 22:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Off post apartments can be very hit and miss in quality and are notorious for landlord sharks defrauding the military and servicemembers out of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ChickenHead</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChickenHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GI, 
 
Here is a sincere question... 
 
Things don&#039;t add up, exactly.  Why would Bell be forced into retirement for pushing for a quick transformation? 
  
Certainly, he didn&#039;t come up with this Quick Transformation Plan all on his own after a night of heavy drinking.  This had to have come from higher up and been discussed repeatedly in minute detail prior to taking command.  If so, why would they push him into retirement for following orders?  Especially when everyone knows it will be unpopular with the ROK.   
 
Anyway... 
 
I am certainly going to get a kick out of it, though, if Bell&#039;s last act of defiance is screw up all the corrupt scams going on just before his retirement.  Even though this will irritate a lot of people now, it would be a fantastic legacy that would make the textbooks... and, in the end, it could make the transformation happen much, much quicker as it would cut off a lot of the high-dollar interests that do NOT want the transformation to happen (i.e. Itaewon &quot;community leaders&quot;).   
 
We will see if he has the ability, ethics and patriotism to do it... otherwise he goes down as just another worthless LaPorte-esque hack. 
 
Which brings up a subdivision of one of the four categories of USFK leaders as discussed here: 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-...&lt;/a&gt;  
 
There are some high-level leaders who know exactly what scams are going on even though they are not exactly involved from a cash-in-the-pocket standpoint.   
 
The &quot;conspiracy&quot; is that they clearly understand (and accept) that they will be branded as &quot;hard to work with&quot;  on a two-year tour by long-term, high-level ROK counterparts who have close, long-term relationships with long-term &quot;community leaders&quot;, if they don&#039;t go along with the long-term graft. 
 
LaPorte was a fine example of this... as his ethics were questionable to begin with. 
 
When people write comments here about how stupid Koreans are and how superior the US military is in everything from cleverness to integrity, think about this. 
 
Best I can tell, USFK senior leadership is equal in ethics to a bunch of ratty whorebar owners, Spam-smuggling black marketers, slot-playing ajumas, off-base housing slumlords and shady construction company bosses... but not quite as smart. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GI,</p>
<p>Here is a sincere question&#8230;</p>
<p>Things don&#039;t add up, exactly.  Why would Bell be forced into retirement for pushing for a quick transformation?</p>
<p>Certainly, he didn&#039;t come up with this Quick Transformation Plan all on his own after a night of heavy drinking.  This had to have come from higher up and been discussed repeatedly in minute detail prior to taking command.  If so, why would they push him into retirement for following orders?  Especially when everyone knows it will be unpopular with the ROK.  </p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>I am certainly going to get a kick out of it, though, if Bell&#039;s last act of defiance is screw up all the corrupt scams going on just before his retirement.  Even though this will irritate a lot of people now, it would be a fantastic legacy that would make the textbooks&#8230; and, in the end, it could make the transformation happen much, much quicker as it would cut off a lot of the high-dollar interests that do NOT want the transformation to happen (i.e. Itaewon &quot;community leaders&quot;).  </p>
<p>We will see if he has the ability, ethics and patriotism to do it&#8230; otherwise he goes down as just another worthless LaPorte-esque hack.</p>
<p>Which brings up a subdivision of one of the four categories of USFK leaders as discussed here:</p>
<p>  <a href="http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-military-crime-rate-in-korea-out-of-control/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-" rel="nofollow">http://rokdrop.com/2008/02/27/gi-myths-is-the-us-</a>&#8230;  </p>
<p>There are some high-level leaders who know exactly what scams are going on even though they are not exactly involved from a cash-in-the-pocket standpoint.  </p>
<p>The &quot;conspiracy&quot; is that they clearly understand (and accept) that they will be branded as &quot;hard to work with&quot;  on a two-year tour by long-term, high-level ROK counterparts who have close, long-term relationships with long-term &quot;community leaders&quot;, if they don&#039;t go along with the long-term graft.</p>
<p>LaPorte was a fine example of this&#8230; as his ethics were questionable to begin with.</p>
<p>When people write comments here about how stupid Koreans are and how superior the US military is in everything from cleverness to integrity, think about this.</p>
<p>Best I can tell, USFK senior leadership is equal in ethics to a bunch of ratty whorebar owners, Spam-smuggling black marketers, slot-playing ajumas, off-base housing slumlords and shady construction company bosses&#8230; but not quite as smart. </p>
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		<title>By: Nomad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nomad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GI Korea, 
 
Bingo!  Well said. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GI Korea,</p>
<p>Bingo!  Well said. </p>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
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		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donald Kirk doesn&#039;t believe and I don&#039;t either that he is being retired because of cracking down on illegal activity.  It is because the ROKs can&#039;t work with him because he has been so adamant for pushing for the transformation of USFK.  No sooner he is asked to retire the ROKs announce the delay of relocating 2ID.  Is it coincidence?   
 
Now ask yourself why LaPorte was asked to hang around so long?  Could it be because the ROKs loved working with him because he kept things business as usual compared to Bell who is adamant about transforming USFK? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald Kirk doesn&#039;t believe and I don&#039;t either that he is being retired because of cracking down on illegal activity.  It is because the ROKs can&#039;t work with him because he has been so adamant for pushing for the transformation of USFK.  No sooner he is asked to retire the ROKs announce the delay of relocating 2ID.  Is it coincidence?  </p>
<p>Now ask yourself why LaPorte was asked to hang around so long?  Could it be because the ROKs loved working with him because he kept things business as usual compared to Bell who is adamant about transforming USFK? </p>
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		<title>By: Cray_Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cray_Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 10:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read the Donald Kirk article and I still don&#039;t see it providing a foundation to support that Gen Bell is being forced to retire. When the Generals are assigned to that position they come with orders that sepcifically state they are on a two-year tour which upon completion they understand they will retire unless the U.S. Government deems them necessary for extended service or another assignement.   
I think if you check the history of the the CFC Commanders you will notice that their tours varied in length.   
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usfk.mil/usfk/index.html?/org/cfc.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.usfk.mil/usfk/index.html?/org/cfc.html&lt;/a&gt;  
 
Would you also come to the conclusion that Gen Scwhartz was forced to retire because he only served 30 months?  Change of Command is influenced by many factors and I highly douobt htat cracking down on illegal activity has any major role in why Gen Bell is retiring. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read the Donald Kirk article and I still don&#039;t see it providing a foundation to support that Gen Bell is being forced to retire. When the Generals are assigned to that position they come with orders that sepcifically state they are on a two-year tour which upon completion they understand they will retire unless the U.S. Government deems them necessary for extended service or another assignement.  </p>
<p>I think if you check the history of the the CFC Commanders you will notice that their tours varied in length.  </p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.usfk.mil/usfk/index.html?/org/cfc.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.usfk.mil/usfk/index.html?/org/cfc.html</a>  </p>
<p>Would you also come to the conclusion that Gen Scwhartz was forced to retire because he only served 30 months?  Change of Command is influenced by many factors and I highly douobt htat cracking down on illegal activity has any major role in why Gen Bell is retiring. </p>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
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		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to respect what Donald Kirk writes and if Donald Kirk writes that General Bell is being pushed out of USFK I tend to believe it: 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/JB16Dg01.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/JB16Dg01.html&lt;/a&gt;  
 
I think General Bell has been going after the corruption for the past year because the first year he took command he was consumed with relocation issues and didn&#039;t want to do anything to piss off the Koreans while relocation issues were being worked out.   
 
I&#039;m still waiting for him to do something about the golf courses though. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to respect what Donald Kirk writes and if Donald Kirk writes that General Bell is being pushed out of USFK I tend to believe it:</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/JB16Dg01.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/JB16Dg01.html</a>  </p>
<p>I think General Bell has been going after the corruption for the past year because the first year he took command he was consumed with relocation issues and didn&#039;t want to do anything to piss off the Koreans while relocation issues were being worked out.  </p>
<p>I&#039;m still waiting for him to do something about the golf courses though. </p>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
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		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie&#039;s is definitely the tip of the iceberg and the fact that General Bell is cracking down on this activity along with the gambling fraud, and trying to do something about the blackmarketing may all be contributing factors to why he is being forced to retire. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie&#039;s is definitely the tip of the iceberg and the fact that General Bell is cracking down on this activity along with the gambling fraud, and trying to do something about the blackmarketing may all be contributing factors to why he is being forced to retire. </p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 05:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first agency that should be put off limits is the housing office.  That is where the problems starts and the USFK/LN employees there know who is cheating what and how much.  Of course they can use the same defense as NAF did with the non SOFA gamblers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first agency that should be put off limits is the housing office.  That is where the problems starts and the USFK/LN employees there know who is cheating what and how much.  Of course they can use the same defense as NAF did with the non SOFA gamblers.</p>
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		<title>By: Kakusu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kakusu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 04:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gen Bell did not mandate a crackdown on black marketing as much as the black marketers themselves have been getting too sloppy and blatant about their activity.  Also, technology and budget issues have created a better environment for cracking down on them as well.

The black marketing story is about to get real interesting....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gen Bell did not mandate a crackdown on black marketing as much as the black marketers themselves have been getting too sloppy and blatant about their activity.  Also, technology and budget issues have created a better environment for cracking down on them as well.</p>
<p>The black marketing story is about to get real interesting&#8230;.</p>
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