Comments on: More Careers Ruined By “Indecent Acts”

By: anon

anon — Thu, 01 May 2008 22:15:00 +0000

Umm, Hate to say it, but I think you've got your sexual assault cases and Soldiers mixed up. Guess it happens.

By: Blah

Blah — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:54:56 +0000

First of all I want to say that I think any conduct that is not consensual should be punishable. That said this was obviously not the case here. SHE voluteered to remove her own clothes and take part in the 'heavy petting". So she was caught on tape…good I think they should post the video on youtube under the title "Don't be This F***ing Stupid" Another thing I get so pissed about is all this blaming Alcohol. The Alcohol isn't the problem, it's the soldier. She chose to drink, Not only that but she is underage. Obviously she should be punished and in my opinion she should get a greater punishment than the males. We as leaders should be taking a harder line on these "sexual assault" cases because they end up ruining good soldiers careers. All this tip-toeing around because we want to be politically correct and EO compliant and non-sexist whatever is just BS. Rape is one thing but this is a whole other issue in itself.

By: GI Korea

GI Korea — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 04:41:01 +0000

Thanks for the info Anon. It is good to see that her command is holding her responsible for her part in the incident.

By: Anon

Anon — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:16:20 +0000

Hey GI.

I'm in this Soldier's unit, so figure I'd throw some info out here. First off, she was 19 at the time, so no drinking orders were in essence already in place. ASAP was part of the aftermath, along with an Art 15 that took rank/pay because of the alcohol.

As for the $100k, from what I understand, that was taken a little out of context. I think the point was more along the lines of a refusal to make a deal because she felt there should be criminal charges.

And that's all I've got.

By: GI Korea

GI Korea — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:25:02 +0000

You can issue no drinking orders, I have done them before. There are ways of wording them that just needs to be cleared with JAG. Just like it is technically illegal to have a policy that says you cannot have sex in the barracks but once again there are ways a JAG can word a barracks policy to get around it. The Army issues blanket no drinking orders all the time to include the Marines in Okinawa just this month.

Also when a soldier is enrolled in ASAP they are not supposed to drink and if they do they can become an ASAP failure or be admitted for in house treatment. An ASAP failure opens the soldier to being chaptered from the military.

The ASAP does group meetings and then more intensive one on one counseling. Most soldiers find the group meetings a waste of time while others I have seen receive surprisingly improved results with one on one counseling. Unfortunately there is not enough one on one counselors available to deal with the demand thus most are regulated to the group counseling which does little good.

Judging by the article the female soldier has alcohol issues that led to a huge incident within her unit that has probably effected morale and caused tension between male and female soldiers in the unit especially when she is making demands for $100,000 to settle the case. I would recommend enrolling her in ASAP and if she doesn't show progress in ASAP then she opens herself up to being chaptered.

By: Skippy-san

Skippy-san — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:39:34 +0000

No drinking orders are illegal. Despite the Army's assertions otherwise.

Plus people have to enter alcohol treatement programs of their own volition. Otherwise it never works. Since most military treatment programs are AA based anyway-all it does is really screw them up in the head.

By: GI Korea

GI Korea — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 04:49:09 +0000

Good point Chickenhead I forgot to highlight in the posting how she was demanding $100,000 from the KATUSA. I think it is pretty clear that she is no angel herself.

By: Pete

Pete — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:00:53 +0000

It sounds like Welch was basically minding his own business in the dorm when trouble came to him.

By: sesame seed

sesame seed — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:22:24 +0000

Lesson learned. File sexual assault charges first before the girl does.

By: ChickenHead

ChickenHead — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:20:34 +0000

GI,

There is even a BETTER angle to this story.

'She also said Lee’s family had offered to settle with her, and that she had demanded $100,000.

“I feel that if they’re trying to pay me off I deserve that much,” she said.'

And we all thought Koreans had the monopoly on this kind of behavior.

This toxic biaaatch should go die in a fire.