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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on April 7th, 2008 at 10:03 am

Korean Army Cadets Name US as Their Main Enemy

As pathetic as this is, I can’t say I’m surprised by the result considering the current state of the Korean educational system:

A poll shows that 34 percent of first-year army cadets called the United States the main enemy of South Korea, a former superintendent of the Korea Military Academy (KMA) said.

Kim Choong-bae, president of the Korea Institute for Defense Analyses, disclosed a past survey of 250 KMA entrants to single out "the country’s main enemy” while serving as the military academy’s superintendent in 2004.

Kim was quoted by a newspaper as saying, "While the majority ? or 34 percent ? picked the U.S., 33 percent said they regarded North Korea as the main enemy.”

He said the result was unbelievable, stressing the respondents were those who were supposed to be military officers. The KMA did not make the result public during the Roh Moo-hyun administration, which ended last February.

Kim hinted that he had been forced not to notify the public of the result, expressing uneasiness about contents of some high and middle schools textbooks.

Citing his meeting with the 250 cadet freshmen, the military expert argued that the hostile sentiment against the "ally" is due to "inappropriate” education in schools.

In addition, according to a survey of a group of conscripted soldiers conducted by the Ministry of Defense, about 75 percent of them said they have anti-U.S. sentiment. [Kim Yon-se - Korea Times]

American soldiers give up a year of their lives to live in substandard living conditions and live away from their families to help the Republic of Korea deter North Korean agression.  US soldiers sacrifices to serve in Korea are rewarded by being considered the enemy.  As Kim Chong-hee stated it is because of the Korean educational system that is more interested in indoctrinating students with propaganda instead of facts.  The policization of the educational system is a further hinderance to properly educating students as well with members of the Korea’s Teacher’s Union (KTU) teaching North Korean propaganda in the classrooms. 

The politicization of Korean history has led directly to over half of South Korean students failing their national history exams during leftist government rule in the ROK.  Now with the Korean right in control of the government they appear to be doing the same thing now by politicizing the history taught to students.  With such nonsense going on in the classrooms is it any surprise why the students fail their exams and think the USA is the main enemy of the nation?

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  • Brendon Carr (Korea
    3:36 am on April 7th, 2008 1

    Talk about defects in the Korean educational system — 34% is not a majority. It is a plurality, the largest group out of a number of groups, none of which comprises a majority. I'm not surprised the editors (what editors?) of the Korea Times missed that, but still I'm chagrined to see it.

  • Jax
    5:31 am on April 7th, 2008 2

    In a previous posting on the OPCON transfer issue, I blogged about the strong possibility of intentional ROK on US fratricide during a future nK conflict.

    Well, the future ROK Army leadership obviously has alliance issues (being more interested in US technology than cooperation). I have had that discussion many times with KMA cadets.

    Yet, this anti-US sentiment is not new, and many 2ID alumni have been concerned with the possibility of having to maneuver within ROK lines.

    But what worries me the most is the hostility that American NEOs would face from the ROK military in a peninsula crisis. At least US troops can shoot back.

  • Quasi
    6:30 am on April 7th, 2008 3

    They can't stand being number 2! Ha, ha, ha!!!

  • Ditto81
    7:01 am on April 7th, 2008 4

    This poll was conducted 4 years ago. It is a Past survey that was made in 2004. It is just now being disclosed. This poll is old news.

  • shattered
    7:10 am on April 7th, 2008 5

    "Talk about defects in the Korean educational system — 34% is not a majority."

    You are right abuot that, and it shows is that there is a lack of reading comprehension. If there was greater reading comprehension, that number would be about 90%.

    "But what worries me the most is the hostility that American NEOs would face from the ROK military in a peninsula crisis."

    Once the "tripwire" is removed, the ROK military fears that the lack of a US bloodbath will not spark the national outrage that produce the 600,000 troops needed to save korea. So "somebody" will need to kill US civilians.

    During the Korean war, both sides of Koreans were pretty good at rounding up people, and shooting them in the head.

  • knickerbocker
    7:26 am on April 7th, 2008 6

    This poll is a bunch of horsesh**. It reminds me of when George Patton and Abe Lincoln were elected to be president and vice-president of the student body at my high school in 1983. I wouldn't take this poll seriously.

  • lcgrant
    8:11 am on April 7th, 2008 7

    GI, what sacrifices are the military making by living here in Korea? They are getting AIP, not living in Afgnaistan or Iraq with daily threats of IEDs, the barracks are pretty good, albeit the DPW has let them run down by lack of maintenance; facilities like gyms, px, commissary are as good as stuff in the USA. The programs that are offered by MWR are pretty good and in most cases free. You even talk about re-enlistments being up. You can and should be POd about the survey, but please do not link sacrifices to the issue becasue there are not many if any. Years ago, this might have held up, but this is today and the average soldier has it pretty good over here.

  • Pete
    8:29 am on April 7th, 2008 8

    These young kids just follow the signs of the times. Four years ago Korea elected an a president who had negative views toward the US. Of course the tragic accident involving the two school girls, and the untimely US Courts Martial of the Drivers (this should have waited until after the election), helped Roh win.

    The question should not ask if North Korea is the enemy, it should be worded to ask if the president of N. Korea is the main enemy.

    I agree, based on the number applying for AIP and reenlisting to stay in Korea – Korea is becomming an assignment of choice more than a hardship tour.

  • Evow
    8:35 am on April 7th, 2008 9

    I agree on the time relevancy of this poll (although dissapointing news still).

    When I was in Korea for a year back in 2002, the overall attitude of the Korean population was 'fairly' on the negative side toward the US… it seemed.

    But I think that this 'attitude' has CHANGED, whether you agree or not.

    And 'some' of this change has to do with damaged relations with China and…. the Koreans' realization that Chinese will not respond to Korea's requests with rationality.

    Let's talk about one of the 'older' Chinese claim that it was them who 'first' discovered America (by traveling across pacific via ship!) and the Native Indians are 'direct' decendants of the Chinese… and they say that Caucasians forcefully invaded their American land. (I actually heard Chinese people arguing with a Korean that when the Chinese first discovered the land of America by way of crossing the ocean using ships, the Koreans were still chimps living on trees!)

    How would 300 million Americans now respond to that claim? Tell the Chinese that they are crazy?

    What if 1.4 billion Chinese say "Nope! You Americans are the ones who are crazy… not us" and then what?

    Settle the historical dispute by waging a war? Or constantly argue about it on youtube?… causing even wrost relations? Or just give in to the Chinese claim so to maintain a better relations with them?

    What would Americans do when they tell the Chinese 2+2=4… but they keep spitting back saying it is 5 for their own benefit?

    South Koreans have realized that they are not just dealing with North Korean hostility, but also threatened by war-flexing, irrational, unreasonable, and false accusing Chinese government, media, and a good portion (not ALL) of the general public who makes some insane accusations! (Yet, some of them are cursing CNN and BBC for falsification on Tibet issue? Talk about hypocricy!)

    Look back at the past 50 years and judge for yourself who has been reasonable, and who has been irrational and unapproachable… and you will understand why Koreans have chosen US as their allies rather than choosing to improve relations with China.

  • Richard
    9:37 am on April 7th, 2008 10

    The power of propaganda: Makes Koreans despise America, and Americans gush over an "alliance forged in blood".

  • Surabol
    9:52 am on April 7th, 2008 11

    34% out of 250 ain't that much. (80-85 people?) If this took place in 2004, I'm surprised that the number wasn't higher.

    I wonder how many named Japan as Korea's main enemy.

  • Ditto81
    10:47 am on April 7th, 2008 12

    Again, as I stated earlier, this poll was conducted back in 2004 when young S.Korean cadets born around the year 1986 were turning 18 years of age. They were forced fed the Noh administrations Bull shit.

    After North Korea tested the bomb and now threatenes to turn Seoul and Busan into Sodom and Gommarah will ROK children realize that the north kills its own people. They would rather kill them. Re-education camp will not work in the south like it does in the north.

    This is why Kim Yong il is shaking in his boots.

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    1:41 pm on April 7th, 2008 13

    Just because conditions in Korea are better then Iraq or Afghanistan doesn't make Korea an assignment of choice for most people.

    I had an NCO who went to Afghanistan with the 101st then came back for a short while and then deployed to Iraq with the 101st came back and received orders for Korea. Korea was not an assignment of choice for him. His wife was on the verge of divorcing him so he ate his way out of the Army by going on the overweight program and getting chaptered. He wasn't the only one I had in my unit that had Korea orders dumped on them like this.

    General Bell has highlighted soldiers himself that come back from wartime deployment to receive orders to Korea and another year away from their families in his attempts to get more command sponsored postings to Korea.

    As far as the poll, it is a Roh era poll and obviously opinion has changed in Korea with the election of Lee Myung-bak, but it is ridiculous for anyone in Korea to consider the US the main enemy. It would be like Americans considering Canada the main enemy. This is just an example as I pointed out of how politicized the Korean educational system is and the Korean right appears now to be doing the same thing the leftists were doing.

  • Kalani
    8:15 pm on April 7th, 2008 14

    The survey (an informal one at best) was in 2004 of freshmen at the KMA who had been influenced greatly by the horrific NATIONAL anti-US hate fest of 2002. The anti-US responses of 33 percent of them would have been expected.

    Don't you remember being a idealistic wide-eyed freshman without a clue as to the real world??? Since that time those same freshman have had four years to season — to mentally prepare themselves to become officers. A lot of things have changed in the past four years. I seriously doubt that they hold those same biases today.

    I certainly wouldn't get all worked up and draw any conclusions from this article.

    However, this brings up the question of what was the ex-Superintendent's agenda is in bringing this up now? It certainly looks like he wanted to throw stones at the KTEW union and the educational system. However, it doesn't jibe why a defense think-tank would want to get involved in social issues. There's something here, but I just don't know what it is.

  • CPT KIM
    1:51 am on April 8th, 2008 15

    If KMA cadets felt that way about US, then I can not imagined how many in ROK civilian college students felt about US at the time of this poll. Even 1% felt that way about US in KMA cadet corp is scary to me.

  • 34% of Korean Army cadets think the US is the main enemy of South Korea (Wizbang)
    12:51 am on April 9th, 2008 16

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  • usinkorea
    8:38 am on April 8th, 2008 17

    "When I was in Korea for a year back in 2002, the overall attitude of the Korean population was ‘fairly’ on the negative side toward the US… it seemed."

    Goodness, what an understatement!!!

    I stopped reading that comment a sentence or two later, because if 2002 just seemed "fairly on the negative side", I can't trust your judgment on what it's like now.

    On secondary and primary school education in Korea — I remember reading a few years ago that the Korea teachers union had the largest monetary warchest of any union in Korea……That's impressive…..

  • Evow
    9:58 am on April 8th, 2008 18

    My 'fairly on the negative side' comes from my OWN personal living experience working with native Koreans and American ex-pats.

    I don't know how you came to develope your negative views claiming my 'fairly' as understatement with three !!!… but then again, I wasn't surrounded by bitter personalities either.

  • Hamilton
    10:08 am on April 8th, 2008 19

    Icgrant, I disagree with your description of life in Korea:

    1."They are getting AIP" Some are, most are not and the majority do so without their families or command sponsorship.

    2. "not living in Afgnaistan or Iraq with daily threats of IEDs" This is not very effective, my buddies at Fort Riley are also not subjected to IEDs, but 100% of them live with their families unless they are having personal issues.

    3"the barracks are pretty good". The barracks are sub US army standard across the board. Square footage in Korea is reduced for almost all ranks, the water is unsafe to drink for extended periods of time, and that maintenance you mention had some companies down to one useable toilet per 20 men, not good after PT or breakfast.

    4."facilities like gyms, px, commissary are as good as stuff in the USA." Actually they are not, not even close. The gyms are some of the worst I have seen, and it is not just the state of repair. As for the PX and Commissary, they are ok, but there are no alternatives for US style foods or clothing at reasonable prices. I haven't even seen fresh chicken in 2 years.

    5."The programs that are offered by MWR are pretty good." They are okay and they are also far from "free". Then again the average English speaking soldier has no other real options.

    6."Years ago, this might have held up, but this is today and the average soldier has it pretty good over here." No the average soldier has it better than in the past over here, not pretty good by US or European deployment standards and those are the ones that count. You missed a few other benefits the soldiers have:

    A. Getting denied service in eating establishments, spit on or protested at least monthly. (Much better now, it used to be daily or weekly)

    B. Having a Midnight curfew, even for 40 year old combat veterans.

    C. Yellow dust (look it up, its what they are breathing)

    D. Malaria

    E. Long Distance phone bills (Good ole Korea blocks everything but skype.)

    F. Sky high ticket prices if they want to visit the States for Christmas or any other reason.

    G. Beer limit, god forbid you want to have a party

    F. No personnal Vehicles, only if they are on your orders or above E6, I know an 04 who had to sell his car before going to Korea.

    G. Paying shipping for anything not in the PX..aka everthing except essentials.

    H. Substandard Medical and Dental Care, try getting an appointment within 30 days, you get an appointment for an appointment in Korea. "They'll take care of that at your next duty station."

    I-Z, I've got them, but the list is complete enough.

  • lcgrant
    11:59 am on April 8th, 2008 20

    Hamilton, most of the stuff you listed in your remarks are command decisions that are in place because the of the present and past leadership in this command. The command chooses to not build the barracks to the army standard. They have a Korea standard; ask BB Bell why this is. They do not have a Japan standard, Germany standard, Ft Carson standard, Ft Riley standard – it is an army standard. The theory is that there is a lot of wasted money for a design and that by having a standard design, you can save lots of design money and use that for construction. The base cannot do maintenance because all the money is going to Iraq at least this is the excuse that I have hear from the DPW and BCE. That is a command decision too. What kind of shipping are you talking about. I have never had a problem getting an appointment (I am a retired soldier) within a few days. When and where were you denied service? I have seen pictures of placards in the newspapers and on blogs back in 2002 about no soldiers allowed, but nothing lately. Tickets from Ft Carson to home town USA are pretty expensive too. I'm a 60 year old combat veteran and lived under a curfew too ( what are people doing out that late anyhow). If you want to have a party ask your commander to let you purchase more beer and he can approve it (commissary items too). Free movies, free internet, sports programs. Quit you whining; this is the assignment of choice.

  • Leon LaPorte
    2:35 am on April 9th, 2008 21

    Short and sweet.

    F*CK THEM. Ungrateful asswipes. :twisted:

  • Evow
    4:07 am on April 9th, 2008 22

    "F*CK THEM. Ungrateful asswipes."

    You got a brain? then judge for yourself from your personal living experience rather than gettin yourself bent out of shape by reading news events of what occurred some place else. (and it was written by the Koreans who were just as surprised!)

    "Ungrateful"???

    The US needs South Korea as an allie just as much!

    China has implication of performing any one of the three things and they are REAL concerns:

    1) Overtake US militaristically.

    2) Overtake US economically.

    3) Or make the rest of the world's living standard as low as the Chinese.

    Why do you think that the professors of prestigeous universities in the US who has been teaching for many many years now spends so much time preaching to their students about the nightmares of China's effect on the US?

    Why do you think the world media spends so much resources going crazy thrashing Chinese government?

    China is a MAJOR threat to the welfare of the US! US needs South Korea as one of their military allies in Asia, pure and simple! You actually think South Korea needs American's help in defending against North Korea who can't even feed their own soldiers? It's all about China… for Korean, for Japanese, for Taiwanese, and for Americans!

    Even where I live (Seattle), Dalai Lama is visiting Seattle Center on April 12, and we already have huge number of crowds expected to show up for his visit. Americans are concerned of the Chinese… NOT Koreans.

    You losers need to get your head out of your ass and realize that you need to visit blogs that discuss real Chinese issues affecting the American welfare rather than cursing at Koreans and blow things out of proportion due to your bitter anti-social personalities!

  • Hamilton
    5:21 am on April 9th, 2008 23

    lcgrant, I wasn't whinning. Your initial argument is dead wrong "GI, what sacrifices are the military making by living here in Korea?" I outlined a few which you haven't addressed. Bottom line, US soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines in Korea sacrifice lifestyle, freedom and service, it doesn't compare to assignments in the US, Europe or Japan. Command decisions are a straw man, you admitted the barracks are substandard.

  • lcgrant
    7:33 am on April 9th, 2008 24

    Hamilton,

    I have served all over the world in both a civil service capacity and as a soldier and Korea is pretty good as far as I am concerned. The options available to soldiers in 2ID with family members are pretty good these days. A soldier can live in an off post high-rise apartment for his BAQ+supplemental housing alowance. They can get most appliances from the housing office. Lots of the Korean landlords will help with furnishings these days. Throw in a few more bucks for odds and ends and thy are set.

    I never said the barracks are substandard. What I said is that the command chooses not to build to the army standard.

    The air force on the other hand does build to the air force standard for both family housing and dormitory facilities. The current generation of dorms have elevators, and kitchens and private baths in each room.

    The army could do this, but they choose not to. I listen to the field grades and flag officers opinions about why not to build to current army barracks standards and they are straw man arguments. This is not the forum to get into this discussion though. It would take me ten pages to explain all the programming missteps that people of responsibility have made over the past six years.

    Korea still has a way to go, but it is getting there in leaps and bounds. The biggest obstacle to this being a great assignment is the granny state mindset of the straw man you mentioned.

    About ten years ago when soldiers and airmen of all grades were allowed to drive (excluding 2ID) things were pretty normal.

    I talked to two couples this weekend while I was at Camp Casey and they are pretty satisfied with living here in Korea; except for not having a car. I cannot say that I blame them for that and wish the command would reconsider.

    Except for a few inconveinences this is not too bad a place, so enjoy yourself while you are here. I still do not see what sacrifices that a service member is making by being here in Korea. But that is all in our different perceptions on what is a sacrifice. Regards, lcgrnt

  • Hamilton
    7:49 am on April 9th, 2008 25

    lcgrant, I was totally wrong then;

    My PFC gunner who was not allowed to take his family to Korea, lives in a "not-army, but not sub-" standard barracks, has a curfew, is not allowed to own or operate an automobile, couldn't bring any furniture or major appliances, shares a tiny refrigerator, blows well over $100 dollars a month on long distance, shares a tiny room with two other soldiers is just being a whinny little bitch when he mentions off the cuff that there is no beef in the commissary again. That sounds just like service in the US to me. I guess he doesn't realize he doesn't rate sufficient hardship to complain. Only you retired guys remember the tough days back ten years ago, which was two years after I first served in Korea and shared a room in a Quonset hut with two other soldiers at least when it wasn't flooded out.

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  • lcgrant
    9:46 am on April 9th, 2008 27

    Hamilton,

    First off I apologize for saying you were whining but I never called anyone a whinny little bitch because they did not have any beef in the commissary, live in a tiny little room with two other guys, cannot drive a car, blows well over $100 on long distance phone calls and so on.

    If it is so tough and soldiers are making such sacrifices, why do they stay in? I'm sick and tired of all the rhetoric about sacrifices being made by soldiers these days.

    Suck-It-Up.

    I was spit on and called a baby killer by your parents! I got paid $68 a month in base pay for the first five years of my service and got $55 a month for jump pay. I studied hard and drew $100 a month in pro pay as a combat engineer. I drew special duty pay as a drill sergeant. I got a hazardous duty pay of $55 a month for my year in the RVN. I made Grenada, Panama, DS and have served in Iraq and Afghanistan as a civil service employee. As a civil servant, I was exposed to small arms fire, IEDs, rockets and mortars, surrounded crowds of Afghans during the riots in Kabul. Then a field grade had the nerve to tell me that I did not deserve a cash award that I got because civilians are adequately compensated in pay. I went to ranger school at 38 years of age, I am one of the original Sappers, I was on the Golden Knights. I was on a HALO team. I have been through UDT training and SCUBA school. So, I think I have some credentials.

    If I knew how to locate you I would show you my DD 214 as evidence of my accomplishments. This was not sacrifice. I enjoyed every minute of my military service. They even tried to call me back some years ago, and I almost went. The only thing that stopped me was my memory of getting kicked to the street as part of the "peace dividend."

    I got my college degree over a fifteen year span because I was in a combat unit and could not get to the education center on a regular basis. I managed to graduate from UM-Rolla with a cum laude degree in engineering. I have a master in engineering management from UA-Birmingham. I was divorced a because of my inability to hold a marriage together while being away on overseas tours. I paid lots of child support to my wife and always sent extra on holidays and special occasions. I spent time with my children when I could get to them. I still help them when I can. Both of my sons are serving in Iraq right now. I am leaving for another tour in Afghanistan this weekend.

    Now if you want to talk about sacrifices – my mom and dad made sacrifices that the Nintendo/hip-hop generation cannot even imagine.

    Have a great day.

  • Leon LaPorte
    10:08 am on April 9th, 2008 28

    lcgrant, here you go http://www.archives.gov/veterans/evetrecs/

    Evow, actually I totally agree with your assessment of China as a threat. It is widely known. This however does not mitigate the fact that many Koreans have been raised to be spoiled, leftist, brats. I see it every day in the way they interact with others.

    I’ve been here as a green suiter and a civilian, and my uncle has a leg laying around here somewhere that he left behind in the 50’s. A large number of my family served here at one time or another. Yes, those that were polled were ungrateful (which does not surprise me), and I stand by my original statement. Good day.

  • Hamilton
    10:23 am on April 9th, 2008 29

    lcgrant,

    A sacrifice by common definition is "b: something given up or lost." Degree of sacrifice is always up for debate. A well educated individual like yourself should be able to handle a dictionary.

    Your original argument is that today's soldiers in Korea do not make any sacrifices and you are still wrong. As for the sacrifices you made for your family and country they were notable but do not cancel out the hardships of anyone else. You remind me very much of the badge collectors that need to tell everyone else how much tougher, more elite or skilled they are. By your definition the last person to make a sacrifice might have been Jesus nailed to the cross. You can always find someone in a more difficult postion than the next it doesn't detract from the sacrifices of today's "nintendo" generation. If you were a logical individual you would admit you are wrong and move on, instead you continue to misdirect, make excuses and denigrate anyone who hasn't had as hard a time as you have. I sympathize with your divorce, service has been hard on my own marriage, normally I would assume you would have some empathy for the 75% of soldiers who are not allowed to bring their family to Korea.

    —-

    By the way, my parents never spit on you or called you a baby killer, but you sure did on myself and every other soldier, airmen, sailor and marine that has SACRIFICED for his or her country by serving in Korea or any other place that didn't meet your critera for hardship. You ask why does today's generation stay in, well your attitude certainly doesn't help, it must be the great nintendo games in the PX.

  • lcgrant
    11:48 am on April 9th, 2008 30

    Hamilton,

    I am sorry for the parents comment it was out of line; I meant to say your parent’s generation so I apologize for implying that your parents spit on me.

    Opportunity cost is the cost incurred by choosing one option over an alternative one that may be equally desired. You say sacrifice and I say opportunity cost.

    There is an opportunity cost for everyone in the service; each person needs to figure that out on his or her own.

    I feel empathy for the majority of the soldiers, but I am not going to baby them. This includes my two boys.

    I talk to soldiers all the time by giving them rides to and from one place to another in my car.

    I used to by pizza for the soldiers that guarded the Camp Casey gate. They looked at me with suspicion, never thanked me and probably threw them away when I was out of sight.

    I did not try to collect badges; I just happened to see an opportunity and took it.

    My battalion sergeant major always chastised me for not wearing all of my awards and decorations on my uniform. That’s probably why I did not get the last promotion.

    Unfortunately the loss of my family life was an opportunity cost.

    I’m not “Bob on the FOB” either. It’s a great cartoon so you should read it if you can.

    Serving my country is something that I do because I want to and because I have a lot to pay back to a lot of people that came before me.

    You have a good point about Jesus.

    Read “The Greatest Generation.”

    If you are still around when I get back from Afghanistan, maybe we can meet and have a beer or a coke while we debate.

    I like comparing leadership methods and I always learn something new when talking with soldiers.

    Regards,

    lcgrant50@hotmail.com

  • lcgrant
    11:57 am on April 9th, 2008 31

    Leon,

    I almost missed it. I have my DD 214 and records. Thanks for the site though. There is another one that I have along with this one bookmarked on my old computer.

  • Haksaeng
    1:38 pm on April 9th, 2008 32

    Hamilton,

    Not to get in between you and lcgrant :wink: , but I tend to agree with him. I've served with the Army (infantry) in various capacities in Korea, Panama, Germany, and the States, and I agree with lcgrant regarding the state of the soldiers in Korea. Things are pretty good here, if you let them be. The thing that I've found that hangs up most soldiers that have problems is mindset. If you want to be miserable, you will be; and it doesn't matter where you are or how good you have things.

    Running down your list, many of the things you've mentioned were originally problems with the individual soldier, not with Korea, or are not problems at all. I've been in and out of Korea for the last 12 years and have never been spit on or otherwise mistreated. I've found that the vast majority of those who are badly treated brought it on themselves by their own actions or misconduct, not because of being a GI in Korea. I can't speak for your PFC's experience, though, and only from my own.

    In regards to the phone bill, this is probably caused by a lack of knowledge or experience on behalf of your PFC. I can buy a phone card here for about $10 (10,000 won) that gives me 180 minutes of talking to the US. This rate is about the same as my long-distance rate when I live in the US and calling within the US. If your PFC is using a phone card, then I have to question why he would need to talk for 30 hours on the phone during one month.

    Even in the US, I have to pay shipping for stuff that I want that I can't find locally. So what? Shipping here is still through APO and not international. How's this any different than anywhere else?

    The only real "hardship," in my opinion, that GIs face here is not being able to bring your family over. That is not unique to the Korea, though. Bottom line, things are pretty good here, and a soldier is only miserable if they choose to be miserable. This is not a problem isolated to Korea and I heard the same sad story from soldiers in Germany and Panama. It doesn't matter how much a soldier has or is given, there's always those who will complain and want more.

  • shattered
    4:00 pm on April 9th, 2008 33

    "US needs South Korea as one of their military allies in Asia, pure and simple! You actually think South Korea needs American’s help in defending against North Korea who can’t even feed their own soldiers?"

    Oh, so Korea really dosn't need America, but in reality the USA needs Korea.

    hXXp://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652/DSECTION=2 (HT Mark)

    *Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness

    *Exaggerating your achievements or talents

    *Expecting constant praise and admiration

    *Believing that you're special

    Everyone knows to be weary of China, but the real problem is with our "friend" Korea. With friends like Korea who needs…

    "F*CK THEM. Ungrateful asswipes"-Leon Laporte.

  • Brendon Carr (Korea
    5:11 pm on April 9th, 2008 34

    I'm curious about the provenance of the "F*CK THEM. Ungrateful asswipes" quote attributed, supposedly to Leon Laporte. Is this something the General said, in reference to the Republic of Korea?

  • Evow
    5:29 pm on April 9th, 2008 35

    Oh no…. shattered is here again lowering this discussion level to monkey chatter. GI Korea, would you please filter this lunatic shattered please?!

  • shattered
    6:00 pm on April 9th, 2008 36

    B Carr, see comment # 21.

    Ewok, please stop the personal attacks.

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    12:08 pm on April 10th, 2008 37

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  • Dr.Yu
    8:40 pm on April 9th, 2008 38

    Shattered, are you chinese?

  • Avatar of GI KoreaGI Korea
    11:44 pm on April 9th, 2008 39

    shattered did not write anything inappropriate. He is giving his opinion and commenters have the option of disputing it.

  • Richard
    5:20 am on April 10th, 2008 40

    GI, if Shattered is allowed to voice his opinion on this forum, then all is lost. All Marxist gain acquired through the long Gramscian march through American institutions — would be set back. His attitude MUST be squelched. Encouraging Americans to hate what they find repugnant bolsters the self-survival instinct. This makes them psychologically resistant to the new agenda.

    We must not allow Americans to be so encouraged. Please, stereotype Shattered as a troll — for the good of all humanity. For God sakes, the monkey is politically INCORRECT! Delete him, now!

  • Evow
    6:55 am on April 10th, 2008 41

    How do you 'dispute' a mental case?

    What if I claimed that shattered is really GI Korea in disguise? Are you gonna tell me how wrong I am and try to 'dispute' me?

    How can a normal human being argue with some psycho who wishes nothing more than Koreans to fall off and die?

    You either have some sick sense of humor, or your last statement is partially filled with emotional content that prevented you from responding with pragmatism.

  • shattered
    7:27 am on April 10th, 2008 42

    Thanks Richard, LOL!

    "How can a normal human being argue with some psycho who wishes nothing more than Koreans to fall off and die?"

    LOL Ewok, what the hell are you babbeling about?

    You keep on accusing others of the exact thing you do.

    " your last statement is partially filled with emotional content that prevented you from responding with pragmatism."

    That is you Ewok. CALM DOWN a bit.

    This thread is about how much KMA hates Americans. Lets keep it on topic.

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