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	<title>Comments on: Videos of Chinese Protesters&#8221; Violence in Seoul</title>
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		<title>By: Fusou Note - ???? -: Violence in Seoul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fusou Note - ???? -: Violence in Seoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] to each other.http://www.youmaker.com/video/sv?id=7f35bab2c4da430a88b7f0757fd4e1b7001Update: ROK Drop has more videos and links that show the activity of Chinese youth during the torch relay in [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Korea Voted China&#8217;s Least Favorite Neighbor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Korea Voted China&#8217;s Least Favorite Neighbor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] students sponsored and armed by the Chinese embassy ran rampant through the streets of Seoul beating and assaulting Korean civilians was not enough of hint maybe this is: Chinese people like South Korea the least of all of their [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] students sponsored and armed by the Chinese embassy ran rampant through the streets of Seoul beating and assaulting Korean civilians was not enough of hint maybe this is: Chinese people like South Korea the least of all of their [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mudville Gazette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mudville Gazette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Videos of Chinese Protesters” Violence in Seoul -- [GI Korea] I just got home from work and had a chance to look at all the videos of the violence that took place on the streets of Seoul as the Olympic torch passed through the city. The first videos I watched were the ones linked to on the Marmot’s Hole that were on the Chosun Ilbo website that were quite shocking. I then went on to YouTube and searched for some more videos there. I posted the ones I found below: Chinese demonstrators severely bash a Free Tibet protester in the lobby of the high end Plaza Hotel in downtown Seoul: [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: ngawang</title>
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		<dc:creator>ngawang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Immersion in sewage, ripping out fingernails, sleep deprivation, cigarette burns and beatings with electric prods - these are some of the torture methods used by China's police and prison officers to extract confessions and maintain discipline, a United Nations investigation has found.

Manfred Nowak, the UN special rapporteur on torture, said yesterday that abuse of suspects and prisoners remained widespread in China. Treatment was far worse than international norms, despite recent signs of improvement.

Mr Nowak's investigation was the first ever permitted by china and, as such, represents a breakthrough in human rights. Despite this, he said he had been obstructed by security officials, who intimidated some victims and their relatives or prevented them from seeing him.

However, he was able to visit prisons, detention centres and "re-education" labour camps in beijing and the troubled regions of Xinjiang and Tibet, as well as interviewing academics, justice officials and detainees. Among the prisoners, Mr Nowak said he observed a "palpable level of fear and self-censorship", which he had not seen in missions to other countries.

Human rights groups say brutality and degradation are common in chinese prisons, where many of the victims are from the Tibetan and Uighur ethnic minorities, political dissidents, followers of the banned Falun Gong sect and members of underground churches.

Although china outlawed torture in 1996, its definition of illegal acts those leaving physical marks is so narrow that interrogators can employ a wide range of methods contravening UN standards. Suspects are manacled in contorted positions, deprived of sleep and subjected to psychological torture. Some techniques have been given names, such as "reversing an aeroplane", where a victim must remain standing, bent double, with arms splayed upwards and backwards.

But one big problem, he said, was that officers remained under heavy pressure to obtain confessions. Even after imprisonment, those who refuse to admit guilt are subjected to "re-education", aimed at breaking their will. Mr Nowak called this "inhumane and degrading punishment".

A growing range of officials are being cited as perpetrators of torture, including administrative police, judges, court clerks and court police; village and party leaders, members of Mutual Defense Teams , and many types of security official outside the regular police force but seconded, contracted or working part time for them. These have included Factory Administrative Management Forces, and Municipal Supervision Brigades</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Immersion in sewage, ripping out fingernails, sleep deprivation, cigarette burns and beatings with electric prods - these are some of the torture methods used by China&#8217;s police and prison officers to extract confessions and maintain discipline, a United Nations investigation has found.</p>
<p>Manfred Nowak, the UN special rapporteur on torture, said yesterday that abuse of suspects and prisoners remained widespread in China. Treatment was far worse than international norms, despite recent signs of improvement.</p>
<p>Mr Nowak&#8217;s investigation was the first ever permitted by china and, as such, represents a breakthrough in human rights. Despite this, he said he had been obstructed by security officials, who intimidated some victims and their relatives or prevented them from seeing him.</p>
<p>However, he was able to visit prisons, detention centres and &#8220;re-education&#8221; labour camps in beijing and the troubled regions of Xinjiang and Tibet, as well as interviewing academics, justice officials and detainees. Among the prisoners, Mr Nowak said he observed a &#8220;palpable level of fear and self-censorship&#8221;, which he had not seen in missions to other countries.</p>
<p>Human rights groups say brutality and degradation are common in chinese prisons, where many of the victims are from the Tibetan and Uighur ethnic minorities, political dissidents, followers of the banned Falun Gong sect and members of underground churches.</p>
<p>Although china outlawed torture in 1996, its definition of illegal acts those leaving physical marks is so narrow that interrogators can employ a wide range of methods contravening UN standards. Suspects are manacled in contorted positions, deprived of sleep and subjected to psychological torture. Some techniques have been given names, such as &#8220;reversing an aeroplane&#8221;, where a victim must remain standing, bent double, with arms splayed upwards and backwards.</p>
<p>But one big problem, he said, was that officers remained under heavy pressure to obtain confessions. Even after imprisonment, those who refuse to admit guilt are subjected to &#8220;re-education&#8221;, aimed at breaking their will. Mr Nowak called this &#8220;inhumane and degrading punishment&#8221;.</p>
<p>A growing range of officials are being cited as perpetrators of torture, including administrative police, judges, court clerks and court police; village and party leaders, members of Mutual Defense Teams , and many types of security official outside the regular police force but seconded, contracted or working part time for them. These have included Factory Administrative Management Forces, and Municipal Supervision Brigades</p>
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		<title>By: Politics Forum .org - View topic - Chinese Nationalists riot violently in S. Korean capitol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Politics Forum .org - View topic - Chinese Nationalists riot violently in S. Korean capitol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 18:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] http://rokdrop.com/2008/04/28/videos-of-chinese-protesters-violence-in-seoul/   there ya go. he provides the sources in the article. there are even more in the comments at the bottom. [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: shattered</title>
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		<dc:creator>shattered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 10:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>historically, whoever joins with Korea loses. 
Mongol invasions of Japan - Mongols and Koreans lose.
Hideyoshi invasion of Korea - Chinese and Koreans lose
Korea war-US and Korea loses

The lesson is simple. Join on the Korean side and lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>historically, whoever joins with Korea loses.<br />
Mongol invasions of Japan - Mongols and Koreans lose.<br />
Hideyoshi invasion of Korea - Chinese and Koreans lose<br />
Korea war-US and Korea loses</p>
<p>The lesson is simple. Join on the Korean side and lose.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 09:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like France, Italy, and Romania during WWII.  &lt;a href="http://rokdrop.com/2008/05/01/korea-and-japan-develop-military-cooperation-agreement/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Pick a side&lt;/a&gt; until they start to lose and then &lt;a href="http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200704/200704050013.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;switch sides&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like France, Italy, and Romania during WWII.  <a href="http://rokdrop.com/2008/05/01/korea-and-japan-develop-military-cooperation-agreement/" rel="nofollow">Pick a side</a> until they start to lose and then <a href="http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200704/200704050013.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">switch sides</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: shattered</title>
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		<dc:creator>shattered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 09:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Korea doesn't have the backbone to stand up to China. China will squish lil Korea and lil Korea knows it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Korea doesn&#8217;t have the backbone to stand up to China. China will squish lil Korea and lil Korea knows it.</p>
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		<title>By: WILL</title>
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		<dc:creator>WILL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 09:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say kick all the chinese out of korea they are guests and should act like guests ...
oh and thanks chinese guys for taking the heat off us white folk in korea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say kick all the chinese out of korea they are guests and should act like guests &#8230;<br />
oh and thanks chinese guys for taking the heat off us white folk in korea</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 02:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn't call it blame, &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call it blame, <i>per se</i>.</p>
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