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	<title>Comments on: Are Chinese Riot Photos in Seoul Doctored?</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 11 Chinese Fishermen Arrested After Murder of Korean Coast Guard Official</title>
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		<dc:creator>11 Chinese Fishermen Arrested After Murder of Korean Coast Guard Official</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Korean Coast Guard official is outrageous, but considering how Chinese protesters were able to run amok in the streets of Seoul and attack people with few people complaining afterward, I doubt this will turn into a major issue [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Korean Coast Guard official is outrageous, but considering how Chinese protesters were able to run amok in the streets of Seoul and attack people with few people complaining afterward, I doubt this will turn into a major issue [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CAJohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>CAJohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does everyone noticed that COMMIS have VERY BAD, BAD Manners!  They have no respect period!

All their news and posting are LIES and manipulated to brain washed people.  Worst of all, they are in DENIALS of facts and truth!  What does that tell you about this EVIL REGIME and the brain washed COMMIS!

I for one will not watch the Olympics nor travel to China.  The world is too big to be wasting my time there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does everyone noticed that COMMIS have VERY BAD, BAD Manners!  They have no respect period!</p>
<p>All their news and posting are LIES and manipulated to brain washed people.  Worst of all, they are in DENIALS of facts and truth!  What does that tell you about this EVIL REGIME and the brain washed COMMIS!</p>
<p>I for one will not watch the Olympics nor travel to China.  The world is too big to be wasting my time there.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 03:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you're not a fan of the Chinese internet campaign, either, Ferin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you&#8217;re not a fan of the Chinese internet campaign, either, Ferin.</p>
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		<title>By: ferin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ferin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 18:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not a "C-borg", I just don't like liars who bandwagon and flood threads with irrelevant crap during controversies because it makes them seem more believable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a &#8220;C-borg&#8221;, I just don&#8217;t like liars who bandwagon and flood threads with irrelevant crap during controversies because it makes them seem more believable.</p>
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		<title>By: Kalani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kalani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 03:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#17 

Tom, I guess I am ineffective in explaining.  Once again, I "doubt" the Chinese story.  But at the same time I do NOT "disbelieve" their story.  I only "believe" or "disbelieve" something when I see "tangible proof" that is irrefutable.  All I've heard so far is a lot of emotional blathering from the Korean Prime Minister on down -- including bloggers.  Both sides are playing a "he said-she said" game.  The real truth is somewhere in this mess, but I don't think it has been revealed as yet.  

My DOUBT in the Chinese story comes from wondering why the student who was injured has not filed a assault charge against the man -- if not for anything else than the fact that he can collect some pocket change in solarium money.  My doubting of the "injury" of the bashing event is simple -- atleast to me.  This event was plastered across the face of news media. The man attacked has been identified as he was taken by the police for aid...and there are enough pictures of his face everywhere. Yet no Chinese has come forward to file charges with the Korean police that the Korean man hit him over the head with the bicycle -- or atleast no one has been reported as coming forward.  Some might reason that he fears deportation by the ROK if he identifies himself.  Can't buy that nor any other reason why he has not come forward. Up to now we only have the proof of the photos that an assault on a Korean man did occur.  That is fact!  The Chinese defense that one of theirs was attacked is NOT supported by proof.

Until I see tangible proof that a crime was committed by the Korean side, I will DOUBT it happened.    

However, at the same time, I didn't say that I disbelieved it either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17 </p>
<p>Tom, I guess I am ineffective in explaining.  Once again, I &#8220;doubt&#8221; the Chinese story.  But at the same time I do NOT &#8220;disbelieve&#8221; their story.  I only &#8220;believe&#8221; or &#8220;disbelieve&#8221; something when I see &#8220;tangible proof&#8221; that is irrefutable.  All I&#8217;ve heard so far is a lot of emotional blathering from the Korean Prime Minister on down &#8212; including bloggers.  Both sides are playing a &#8220;he said-she said&#8221; game.  The real truth is somewhere in this mess, but I don&#8217;t think it has been revealed as yet.  </p>
<p>My DOUBT in the Chinese story comes from wondering why the student who was injured has not filed a assault charge against the man &#8212; if not for anything else than the fact that he can collect some pocket change in solarium money.  My doubting of the &#8220;injury&#8221; of the bashing event is simple &#8212; atleast to me.  This event was plastered across the face of news media. The man attacked has been identified as he was taken by the police for aid&#8230;and there are enough pictures of his face everywhere. Yet no Chinese has come forward to file charges with the Korean police that the Korean man hit him over the head with the bicycle &#8212; or atleast no one has been reported as coming forward.  Some might reason that he fears deportation by the ROK if he identifies himself.  Can&#8217;t buy that nor any other reason why he has not come forward. Up to now we only have the proof of the photos that an assault on a Korean man did occur.  That is fact!  The Chinese defense that one of theirs was attacked is NOT supported by proof.</p>
<p>Until I see tangible proof that a crime was committed by the Korean side, I will DOUBT it happened.    </p>
<p>However, at the same time, I didn&#8217;t say that I disbelieved it either.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 03:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ferin is a C-borg and Peking Duck regular.  Not sure how he found his way over here.

Not to beat a dead horse, but as an example of how Chinese netizens are either misinterpreting or outright lying about "photo evidence," in the video you linked, Kalani, and in other Chinese-produced internet content, there are photos of a Korean NK human rights demonstrator dressed up in a PLA uniform and holding a pair of wire cutters or some similar tool.  The Koreans alleged that this tool was confiscated from Chinese students.  Chinese counter that the Koreans brought the tool to the demonstration and provide as evidence online and in newspapers photos of the man in the PLA uniform holding the wire cutters:

http://b0.ac-images.cdnmyspace.cn/cnimages01/2/o_012f68afcabaae28537db9eb67c5080c.jpg

  Visible in the photo are press microphones, which suggest that the man is being interviewed by reporters, yet this Chinese newspaper and numerous other Chinese websites claim that this photo is proof that the Koreans brought the wire cutter. I happened to come across a Korean news video, which shows clearly that the man was indeed displaying the confiscated weapon to the media and wasn't just holding the wire cutters.  

http://www.ytn.co.kr/_comm/pop_mov.php?s_mcd=0103&#38;s_hcd=&#38;key=200804301750392393</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ferin is a C-borg and Peking Duck regular.  Not sure how he found his way over here.</p>
<p>Not to beat a dead horse, but as an example of how Chinese netizens are either misinterpreting or outright lying about &#8220;photo evidence,&#8221; in the video you linked, Kalani, and in other Chinese-produced internet content, there are photos of a Korean NK human rights demonstrator dressed up in a PLA uniform and holding a pair of wire cutters or some similar tool.  The Koreans alleged that this tool was confiscated from Chinese students.  Chinese counter that the Koreans brought the tool to the demonstration and provide as evidence online and in newspapers photos of the man in the PLA uniform holding the wire cutters:</p>
<p><a href="http://b0.ac-images.cdnmyspace.cn/cnimages01/2/o_012f68afcabaae28537db9eb67c5080c.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://b0.ac-images.cdnmyspace.cn/cnimages01/2/o_012f68afcabaae28537db9eb67c5080c.jpg</a></p>
<p>  Visible in the photo are press microphones, which suggest that the man is being interviewed by reporters, yet this Chinese newspaper and numerous other Chinese websites claim that this photo is proof that the Koreans brought the wire cutter. I happened to come across a Korean news video, which shows clearly that the man was indeed displaying the confiscated weapon to the media and wasn&#8217;t just holding the wire cutters.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.ytn.co.kr/_comm/pop_mov.php?s_mcd=0103&amp;s_hcd=&amp;key=200804301750392393" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.ytn.co.kr/_comm/pop_mov.php?s_mcd=0103&amp;s_hcd=&amp;key=200804301750392393</a></p>
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		<title>By: ferin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ferin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 03:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can also confirm #17s post, I am speaking with all the civilians that have been unjustly murdered in the spirit realm. 

But you probably already know this thanks to the Tibetan Government in Exile's impeccable methodology...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can also confirm #17s post, I am speaking with all the civilians that have been unjustly murdered in the spirit realm. </p>
<p>But you probably already know this thanks to the Tibetan Government in Exile&#8217;s impeccable methodology&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I WAS ATTACKED... I CAN'T FIND PICTURES.  I AM AMERICAN... I WAS ATTACKED AND MY CLOTHES WERE TORN, AND I GOT HELP FROM THE POLICE... THESE PRO-CHINA PEOPLE ARE NAZIS...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I WAS ATTACKED&#8230; I CAN&#8217;T FIND PICTURES.  I AM AMERICAN&#8230; I WAS ATTACKED AND MY CLOTHES WERE TORN, AND I GOT HELP FROM THE POLICE&#8230; THESE PRO-CHINA PEOPLE ARE NAZIS&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And one more thing.  I had another look at the wounded Chinese student and bicycle over the head photos while browsing news photos.  The man facing the bicycler is not the same as the man holding tissues to his head.  The former has longer hair than the latter.  Chinese netizen CSI sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And one more thing.  I had another look at the wounded Chinese student and bicycle over the head photos while browsing news photos.  The man facing the bicycler is not the same as the man holding tissues to his head.  The former has longer hair than the latter.  Chinese netizen CSI sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 23:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Seems like the bicycle rider bashed a Chinese in the head with his bicycle (if you believe the Chinese) and his friends were chasing him down. The original incident happened in one area and the kicking incident happened in another area. The video and photo we found shows the injured Chinese person.&lt;/i&gt;

I have seen those photos and claims on Chinese websites.  Clearly there is a large, organized Chinese response to the negative publicity surrounding the demo violence.  I would not assume that the persons providing the photo narrative actually witnessed the event.  Although the photo of the student holding a tissue to his head was taken at the same place as the bicycle incident, there are no overlapping people in the photos, nevermind the bicyclist, so the photo is not evidence of claims that the bicyclist hit a Chinese in the head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Seems like the bicycle rider bashed a Chinese in the head with his bicycle (if you believe the Chinese) and his friends were chasing him down. The original incident happened in one area and the kicking incident happened in another area. The video and photo we found shows the injured Chinese person.</i></p>
<p>I have seen those photos and claims on Chinese websites.  Clearly there is a large, organized Chinese response to the negative publicity surrounding the demo violence.  I would not assume that the persons providing the photo narrative actually witnessed the event.  Although the photo of the student holding a tissue to his head was taken at the same place as the bicycle incident, there are no overlapping people in the photos, nevermind the bicyclist, so the photo is not evidence of claims that the bicyclist hit a Chinese in the head.</p>
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