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		<title>By: The final cut: May 2008</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2008/05/18/recommended-reading-in-memoriam-of-518/#comment-163725</link>
		<dc:creator>The final cut: May 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 06:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] goes on to blame US business interests (where have I heard this before?) for America’s involvement in the war:Second, the Korean War from the perspective of Westerners [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Recommended Reading in Memoriam of 5.18 - ROK Drop via MySpace News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recommended Reading in Memoriam of 5.18 - ROK Drop via MySpace News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 02:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Click here to read more. Click here to return to Korea Click here to return to MySpace News. [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Rehashing Korean War Era Executions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rehashing Korean War Era Executions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 20:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] goes on to blame US business interests (where have I heard this before?) for America’s involvement in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Brian in Jeollanam-do: Remembering.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian in Jeollanam-do: Remembering.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 08:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] own country from overbearing foreign influences, and in this the FTA, the 2002 tank incident, and certain representations of the 1980 Massacre are united. While I don't understand much Korean, and may be [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Remembering 5.18 in Gwangju</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remembering 5.18 in Gwangju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that everyone head over and check out Brian&#8217;s posting on the events this past weekend for the 5.18 anniversary in Gwangju.  It doesn&#8217;t surprise me that the events had little to do with remembering the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that everyone head over and check out Brian&#8217;s posting on the events this past weekend for the 5.18 anniversary in Gwangju.  It doesn&#8217;t surprise me that the events had little to do with remembering the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 18:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as I finished the above message, I remembered the full text of the USFK commander's book on this time period is available via Google Books.

Korea on the Brink is the title.

On page 126 of the google version (127 on the printed text), it mentions May, leading up the Kwangju Massacre, as witnessing student riots along with "massive labor unrest in urban areas such as Masan, Pusan, Inchon, and Seoul."  

I can vaguely remember specific references to violent protests involving miners in the Wonju area - but can't remember the specific time.

The page goes on to mention demonstrations in Seoul on May 17th.

Wickham specifically claims that the Seoul protests sent Chun into a panic.

I read a little further then came here to comment.

None of this is offered as an excuse for the actions of the special forces unit and certainly not Chun.  I thought commuting his death sentence was the right thing to do --- solely because I think South Korea has advanced too far as a nation to execute a former president - even if he deserved it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as I finished the above message, I remembered the full text of the USFK commander&#8217;s book on this time period is available via Google Books.</p>
<p>Korea on the Brink is the title.</p>
<p>On page 126 of the google version (127 on the printed text), it mentions May, leading up the Kwangju Massacre, as witnessing student riots along with &#8220;massive labor unrest in urban areas such as Masan, Pusan, Inchon, and Seoul.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I can vaguely remember specific references to violent protests involving miners in the Wonju area - but can&#8217;t remember the specific time.</p>
<p>The page goes on to mention demonstrations in Seoul on May 17th.</p>
<p>Wickham specifically claims that the Seoul protests sent Chun into a panic.</p>
<p>I read a little further then came here to comment.</p>
<p>None of this is offered as an excuse for the actions of the special forces unit and certainly not Chun.  I thought commuting his death sentence was the right thing to do &#8212; solely because I think South Korea has advanced too far as a nation to execute a former president - even if he deserved it.</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 18:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This will retred over field the two of us have plowed before, and you most likely have read more than I have on this period, but I have doubts about the idea that nothing was going on at this time.  

I would guess on what the parameters you place on "this time" - because there was a lot going on in different places in Korea before Kwangju.  I don't have the books handy, nor the time to find them, and I don't have the timeline well in memory, but Masan, Wonju, Pusan, Teajon and Seoul come to mind.  I also remember in the US Amb's book, he noted the violent protests that had been going on as far back as the lead up to Park's assassination - which did produce an immediate lull in activity.  The Amb. says that one reason why the US in Korea was slow to appreciate the events in Kwangju is that violent protests had become common but nobody expected the scope of the Kwangju violence.

I also vaguely remember, and could be wrong, that the special forces were in Seoul in part due to protests that had been going on there.  Or was it fear of protests at the universities???...

Whatever the case, from what I've read, I don't think you can say that things were quiet before Kwangju.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will retred over field the two of us have plowed before, and you most likely have read more than I have on this period, but I have doubts about the idea that nothing was going on at this time.  </p>
<p>I would guess on what the parameters you place on &#8220;this time&#8221; - because there was a lot going on in different places in Korea before Kwangju.  I don&#8217;t have the books handy, nor the time to find them, and I don&#8217;t have the timeline well in memory, but Masan, Wonju, Pusan, Teajon and Seoul come to mind.  I also remember in the US Amb&#8217;s book, he noted the violent protests that had been going on as far back as the lead up to Park&#8217;s assassination - which did produce an immediate lull in activity.  The Amb. says that one reason why the US in Korea was slow to appreciate the events in Kwangju is that violent protests had become common but nobody expected the scope of the Kwangju violence.</p>
<p>I also vaguely remember, and could be wrong, that the special forces were in Seoul in part due to protests that had been going on there.  Or was it fear of protests at the universities???&#8230;</p>
<p>Whatever the case, from what I&#8217;ve read, I don&#8217;t think you can say that things were quiet before Kwangju.</p>
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		<title>By: bulgasari</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 13:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It gets interesting when you look at the forces (in the beginning, paratroopers) being sent into Kwangju. 2 battalions of the 7th brigade were sent to university campuses by 1am on the 18th, and there attacked students approaching the campuses in the morning. When the (small) protest began in front of Chonnam university and moved downtown and the police had difficulty putting down the protest, the 7th brigade was ordered in. Before they went downtown, however, 3 battalions of the 11th brigade were ordered to move from Seoul to Kwangju, and before they arrived the next day, 4 battalions of the 3rd brigade were ordered from Seoul to Kwangju. Put simply, it was the only place in the country where any kind of demonstration was taking place, and it seems pretty clear that Chun wanted to crush the demonstrations there.

Also interesting is the fact that the normal chain of command was ignored.  When the commander of the 31st division was ordered to send the 7th brigade downtown, he replied that it wasn't necessary, that the police could handle it. Told to pass on the order, he found that the troops were already marching. The orders were coming straight from the top, and the commander was actually lied to and told, at the end of the day, that the protests had been put down. When friends from Kwangju called him and told him what had happened, he gave orders to the 7th brigade to stop being so excessive, but these orders were not followed. When you consider 12 out of 22 of the soldiers killed in the uprising died from battles with other units, it makes sense when you realize the chain of command wasn't being followed, and officers on the ground had no idea where the other troops (and their were many more than the paratroopers after the 21st and 22nd) were.

This information comes from "Memories of May 1980: A Documentary History of the Kwangju Uprising in Korea", by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It gets interesting when you look at the forces (in the beginning, paratroopers) being sent into Kwangju. 2 battalions of the 7th brigade were sent to university campuses by 1am on the 18th, and there attacked students approaching the campuses in the morning. When the (small) protest began in front of Chonnam university and moved downtown and the police had difficulty putting down the protest, the 7th brigade was ordered in. Before they went downtown, however, 3 battalions of the 11th brigade were ordered to move from Seoul to Kwangju, and before they arrived the next day, 4 battalions of the 3rd brigade were ordered from Seoul to Kwangju. Put simply, it was the only place in the country where any kind of demonstration was taking place, and it seems pretty clear that Chun wanted to crush the demonstrations there.</p>
<p>Also interesting is the fact that the normal chain of command was ignored.  When the commander of the 31st division was ordered to send the 7th brigade downtown, he replied that it wasn&#8217;t necessary, that the police could handle it. Told to pass on the order, he found that the troops were already marching. The orders were coming straight from the top, and the commander was actually lied to and told, at the end of the day, that the protests had been put down. When friends from Kwangju called him and told him what had happened, he gave orders to the 7th brigade to stop being so excessive, but these orders were not followed. When you consider 12 out of 22 of the soldiers killed in the uprising died from battles with other units, it makes sense when you realize the chain of command wasn&#8217;t being followed, and officers on the ground had no idea where the other troops (and their were many more than the paratroopers after the 21st and 22nd) were.</p>
<p>This information comes from &#8220;Memories of May 1980: A Documentary History of the Kwangju Uprising in Korea&#8221;, by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 06:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the special forces did can't be justified and are connected to Chun.  Everyone on the scene, from what I've read, say the special forces set things off to making Kwangju so different from the other violent clashes that had been taking place.  The question is whether Chun told them to make an example out of Kwangju by going over the top or not.

The actions of the military after the main couple of days of bloodshed are much easier to defend - and it becomes much more clear that the younger and more pro-North elements of the protest leadership took over that leadership and wanted further bloodshed/deaths to take place.

Chun is not close to being a positive or even neutral character in my book.  He led a military coup to continue the strong-armed, authoritarian rule that finally came into question with Park's assassination.  He short circuited the democratic process before that process had a chance to get going.  Ultimately, he was a traitor to his government and people.  The fact he stashed away massive amounts of money for his own personal use just adds a cherry on top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the special forces did can&#8217;t be justified and are connected to Chun.  Everyone on the scene, from what I&#8217;ve read, say the special forces set things off to making Kwangju so different from the other violent clashes that had been taking place.  The question is whether Chun told them to make an example out of Kwangju by going over the top or not.</p>
<p>The actions of the military after the main couple of days of bloodshed are much easier to defend - and it becomes much more clear that the younger and more pro-North elements of the protest leadership took over that leadership and wanted further bloodshed/deaths to take place.</p>
<p>Chun is not close to being a positive or even neutral character in my book.  He led a military coup to continue the strong-armed, authoritarian rule that finally came into question with Park&#8217;s assassination.  He short circuited the democratic process before that process had a chance to get going.  Ultimately, he was a traitor to his government and people.  The fact he stashed away massive amounts of money for his own personal use just adds a cherry on top.</p>
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		<title>By: Gusts Of Popular Feeling: Bad taste</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gusts Of Popular Feeling: Bad taste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 05:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] victims and embodying the spirit of the [Kwangju] uprising..." According to Brian, (in the comments here) what he saw in Kwangju this weekend "was pretty much wall-to-wall Mad Cow stuff [...] I was hoping [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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