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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 06:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember one time back in 1976 when I was in Yonjugol where I was standing at a street corner waiting for a break in traffic so I could cross. I was actually off the curb, sort of standing in the gutter, and a ROK jeep came zooming by and actually ran over my feet. 
 
I gave a little squak of surprise, but the ROK Lt. in the jeep heard me and ordered the driver the stop. He then ordered the driver out, and right there in front of me and a bunch of onlookers that had gathered, beat the you-know-what out of the driver and ordered him to apoligize to me. 
  
I actually felt bad for the driver, it was just a simple accident and it surprised me far more than it hurt. My feet didn&#039;t hurt at all for some reason, maybe luck or low tire pressure, or something. 
  
Anyway, Koreans weren&#039;t always that way. Back in the 70&#039;s at least, there were still quite a few civilian survivors of the Korean War and they greatly appreciated the American presence, even with the few bad apples that occasionally came through. They knew that we weren&#039;t all angels and just like everybody else, there&#039;s the good and the bad. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember one time back in 1976 when I was in Yonjugol where I was standing at a street corner waiting for a break in traffic so I could cross. I was actually off the curb, sort of standing in the gutter, and a ROK jeep came zooming by and actually ran over my feet.</p>
<p>I gave a little squak of surprise, but the ROK Lt. in the jeep heard me and ordered the driver the stop. He then ordered the driver out, and right there in front of me and a bunch of onlookers that had gathered, beat the you-know-what out of the driver and ordered him to apoligize to me.</p>
<p>I actually felt bad for the driver, it was just a simple accident and it surprised me far more than it hurt. My feet didn&#039;t hurt at all for some reason, maybe luck or low tire pressure, or something.</p>
<p>Anyway, Koreans weren&#039;t always that way. Back in the 70&#039;s at least, there were still quite a few civilian survivors of the Korean War and they greatly appreciated the American presence, even with the few bad apples that occasionally came through. They knew that we weren&#039;t all angels and just like everybody else, there&#039;s the good and the bad. </p>
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		<title>By: Retired GI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Retired GI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 05:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#44 did a really fine job of discribing ---- HERSELF in the first sentence of that post. </description>
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		<title>By: Leon LaPorte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon LaPorte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 03:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well,... Bye. </description>
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		<title>By: Hongdae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hongdae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 02:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judging, insulting, disrespecting others regardless of who they may be or what they may have gone through to become so hateful and negative will never end but the darkness of the heart, the rage sparked from reading each other&#039;s hateful, anger-filled messages will only worsen.  This forum has made me see that I wish no part of this evil and I thank &quot;Retired GI&quot; and those &quot;on his side&quot; for letting me see how he sees through his negative, self-righteous messages of dominance and resentment towards a people.  All we are doing is reflecting to each other the repulsive and vile within ourselves and if this is not creating and perpetuating a hell on earth, I don&#039;t know what is.  I for one will no longer engage in this negativity or have anything to do with people who choose it. 
 
good luck to all, peace. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judging, insulting, disrespecting others regardless of who they may be or what they may have gone through to become so hateful and negative will never end but the darkness of the heart, the rage sparked from reading each other&#039;s hateful, anger-filled messages will only worsen.  This forum has made me see that I wish no part of this evil and I thank &quot;Retired GI&quot; and those &quot;on his side&quot; for letting me see how he sees through his negative, self-righteous messages of dominance and resentment towards a people.  All we are doing is reflecting to each other the repulsive and vile within ourselves and if this is not creating and perpetuating a hell on earth, I don&#039;t know what is.  I for one will no longer engage in this negativity or have anything to do with people who choose it.</p>
<p>good luck to all, peace. </p>
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		<title>By: Retired GI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Retired GI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 20:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What?  No reply from Miss Hongdae, my pogi hurts?  I&#039;m disappointed. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?  No reply from Miss Hongdae, my pogi hurts?  I&#039;m disappointed. </p>
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		<title>By: Lemmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lemmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 23:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#41 you could not be further from the truth in your comments about Koreans in the US.  Yes they do act like they own the place; yes they deny service to whites in their Korean restaurant; yes they try to overcharge customers in their liquor stores; yes the youth form gangs; and yes they attend universities where if they don&#039;t get things their way, they buy a gun and start killing people.  When is the last time an American killed  school children? 
 
#41 you need to get out of Korea and see the world.  Your lack of world experience really makes you sound ignorant of your surroundings.  I&#039;m not saying that non-Koreans belong in Korea because they don&#039;t; just like non-Americans don&#039;t belong in the USA? 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massac...&lt;/a&gt;   &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woo_Bum-kon&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woo_Bum-kon&lt;/a&gt;   &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoo_Young-chul&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoo_Young-chul&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#41 you could not be further from the truth in your comments about Koreans in the US.  Yes they do act like they own the place; yes they deny service to whites in their Korean restaurant; yes they try to overcharge customers in their liquor stores; yes the youth form gangs; and yes they attend universities where if they don&#039;t get things their way, they buy a gun and start killing people.  When is the last time an American killed  school children?</p>
<p>#41 you need to get out of Korea and see the world.  Your lack of world experience really makes you sound ignorant of your surroundings.  I&#039;m not saying that non-Koreans belong in Korea because they don&#039;t; just like non-Americans don&#039;t belong in the USA?</p>
<p>  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massac" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massac</a>&#8230;   <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woo_Bum-kon" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woo_Bum-kon</a>   <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoo_Young-chul" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoo_Young-chul</a> </p>
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		<title>By: Retired GI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Retired GI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#41  OH, my hongdae hurts.  Bla bla bla.  &quot;white&quot; americans are racist.  What a racist statement from someone who&#039;s hongdae hurts.  Not even bright enough to know it.  Anyway Miss hongdae, I don&#039;t know ANYONE who goes to any entertainment area with the idea of respecting anything.  People go to bar areas to DRINK, SPEND MONEY AND LOOK FOR SOME &quot;TAIL&quot;.  Not for a history lession or cultural experience. 
Your Countrymen in the Philippines sure as hell don&#039;t come here for the culture or history lession OR to respect the Local Women.  Your Korean Men come in groups.  They come to spend money, drink and look for cheap &quot;SEX&quot;. 
 
I spent nine years in Korea and believe me, Korea has tons and tons of RACIST.  I tried to ignore it.  But it was difficult when I had a Korean woman with me and had to listen to what they would say about her TO her, thinking I didn&#039;t understand, untill I cursed them back and told them to &quot;ka na cho gi&quot;. 
 
Korea is the most RACIST country that I have been too.   
 
You can THANK America for giving you your Language back, your Country back, your freedom back and building your country back. 
 
Since you want to go way back to site problems,  You can also APOLOGIZE for attacking American Marines in the 1800&#039;s.  You can also APOLOGIZE for the killing of American Missionaries. 
You can APOLOGIZE for your anti-american riots in 2002.  Which stopped me from being able to travel freely in Korea to visit some of your Culture. 
You can APOLOGIZE for sending that high school girl to stand outside a base that I drove too.  You can APOLOGIZE for trying to teach her to curse in english.  I had to ask her (in hongul) to repeat before I knew what she was trying to say.  What she said was, &quot;tuck you&quot;.  I thanked her and smiled.  She bowed and smiled.  She didn&#039;t even know what the meaning of the words, she had been told to say, meant!! 
 
So Miss Hongdae, after you get your men to stop coming to the Philippines looking for cheap sex, then you will have the moral ground to complain.  Untill then, you do not have high morals to say anything. 
 
When you stop being rude to your own women because they are with a foreigner, maybe you can say something. 
 
Since none of that is ever likely to happen, you can simply THANK America for all that they have made possible for you.  Then you can get down off your high horse. 
Because Korea has a LONG way to go before it is even close to the greatness of America when it comes to accepting those from &quot;other&quot;, lesser countries like Korea. 
 
In closing.  You need to get an education.  I find you to be very amusing. 
 
Now go and read a history book.  You&#039;re too young to be going to Bars young lady. 
And stop dating young american soldiers.  They are only looking for sex.  Much like Korean men.  No better--no worse.  All men are looking for sex, no matter what country they come from.  You didn&#039;t know that? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#41  OH, my hongdae hurts.  Bla bla bla.  &quot;white&quot; americans are racist.  What a racist statement from someone who&#039;s hongdae hurts.  Not even bright enough to know it.  Anyway Miss hongdae, I don&#039;t know ANYONE who goes to any entertainment area with the idea of respecting anything.  People go to bar areas to DRINK, SPEND MONEY AND LOOK FOR SOME &quot;TAIL&quot;.  Not for a history lession or cultural experience.</p>
<p>Your Countrymen in the Philippines sure as hell don&#039;t come here for the culture or history lession OR to respect the Local Women.  Your Korean Men come in groups.  They come to spend money, drink and look for cheap &quot;SEX&quot;.</p>
<p>I spent nine years in Korea and believe me, Korea has tons and tons of RACIST.  I tried to ignore it.  But it was difficult when I had a Korean woman with me and had to listen to what they would say about her TO her, thinking I didn&#039;t understand, untill I cursed them back and told them to &quot;ka na cho gi&quot;.</p>
<p>Korea is the most RACIST country that I have been too.  </p>
<p>You can THANK America for giving you your Language back, your Country back, your freedom back and building your country back.</p>
<p>Since you want to go way back to site problems,  You can also APOLOGIZE for attacking American Marines in the 1800&#039;s.  You can also APOLOGIZE for the killing of American Missionaries.</p>
<p>You can APOLOGIZE for your anti-american riots in 2002.  Which stopped me from being able to travel freely in Korea to visit some of your Culture.</p>
<p>You can APOLOGIZE for sending that high school girl to stand outside a base that I drove too.  You can APOLOGIZE for trying to teach her to curse in english.  I had to ask her (in hongul) to repeat before I knew what she was trying to say.  What she said was, &quot;tuck you&quot;.  I thanked her and smiled.  She bowed and smiled.  She didn&#039;t even know what the meaning of the words, she had been told to say, meant!!</p>
<p>So Miss Hongdae, after you get your men to stop coming to the Philippines looking for cheap sex, then you will have the moral ground to complain.  Untill then, you do not have high morals to say anything.</p>
<p>When you stop being rude to your own women because they are with a foreigner, maybe you can say something.</p>
<p>Since none of that is ever likely to happen, you can simply THANK America for all that they have made possible for you.  Then you can get down off your high horse.</p>
<p>Because Korea has a LONG way to go before it is even close to the greatness of America when it comes to accepting those from &quot;other&quot;, lesser countries like Korea.</p>
<p>In closing.  You need to get an education.  I find you to be very amusing.</p>
<p>Now go and read a history book.  You&#039;re too young to be going to Bars young lady.</p>
<p>And stop dating young american soldiers.  They are only looking for sex.  Much like Korean men.  No better&#8211;no worse.  All men are looking for sex, no matter what country they come from.  You didn&#039;t know that? </p>
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		<title>By: hongdae</title>
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		<dc:creator>hongdae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Foreigners need to have an attitude check.  Many, particularly Americans come here speaking and acting like you own this place because of the US military presence here.  First, you need to come here with basic respect, which most English speaking foreigners do not.  The vast majority of foreigners are men who seek free tail and easy money.  Most of these men don&#039;t give a rat&#039;s ass about respecting the people, culture, and history of Korea.  Most come to use and abuse, period.  
 
Now, compare how you foreigners are treated in Korea with how Asians and other minorities are treated in America.  If any Koreans go to America and started acting like they own the country and started to treat all American women like one night stand whores, speaking in Korean as if Korean was the official language of America--How do you think Americans on the street would treat this &quot;Korean&quot;?  Americans would beat the crap out of him--in other words exactly like how the supposed &quot;racist&quot; Koreans treat foreigners in Hongdae.   
 
Respect Korea and its people.  Koreans have never been as racist and prejudiced as &quot;white&quot; Americans have been--just look at your recent history. There was a law in America when it was illegal for a Chinese/Asian to marry a White woman.  Korea has never ever had such a racist law, ever.  Racism in America is only getting worse, just look at the history of racist police in America.  Don&#039;t deny the fact that if Korea had the kind of police you have in America, you&#039;d be handcuffed and jail just for disturbing the peace so stfu or as many of you say to Asians in America &quot;go back where you came from&quot;. 
 
this ask yourself what good did you ever do for Korea and Korean people? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foreigners need to have an attitude check.  Many, particularly Americans come here speaking and acting like you own this place because of the US military presence here.  First, you need to come here with basic respect, which most English speaking foreigners do not.  The vast majority of foreigners are men who seek free tail and easy money.  Most of these men don&#039;t give a rat&#039;s ass about respecting the people, culture, and history of Korea.  Most come to use and abuse, period. </p>
<p>Now, compare how you foreigners are treated in Korea with how Asians and other minorities are treated in America.  If any Koreans go to America and started acting like they own the country and started to treat all American women like one night stand whores, speaking in Korean as if Korean was the official language of America&#8211;How do you think Americans on the street would treat this &quot;Korean&quot;?  Americans would beat the crap out of him&#8211;in other words exactly like how the supposed &quot;racist&quot; Koreans treat foreigners in Hongdae.  </p>
<p>Respect Korea and its people.  Koreans have never been as racist and prejudiced as &quot;white&quot; Americans have been&#8211;just look at your recent history. There was a law in America when it was illegal for a Chinese/Asian to marry a White woman.  Korea has never ever had such a racist law, ever.  Racism in America is only getting worse, just look at the history of racist police in America.  Don&#039;t deny the fact that if Korea had the kind of police you have in America, you&#039;d be handcuffed and jail just for disturbing the peace so stfu or as many of you say to Asians in America &quot;go back where you came from&quot;.</p>
<p>this ask yourself what good did you ever do for Korea and Korean people? </p>
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		<title>By: k</title>
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		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The American government should give pressure to South Korea in enforcing justice to crime committed in Korea. If a Korean did something wrong to an American, the person should be taken to the US and sentenced to jail for a long time. Crime such as rape and murder is given a light sentence in South Korea. The perpetrator should be brought to China to be executed to death. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American government should give pressure to South Korea in enforcing justice to crime committed in Korea. If a Korean did something wrong to an American, the person should be taken to the US and sentenced to jail for a long time. Crime such as rape and murder is given a light sentence in South Korea. The perpetrator should be brought to China to be executed to death. </p>
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		<title>By: CalmSeas</title>
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		<dc:creator>CalmSeas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DMZ Dave/Chickenhead: 
 
Have to agree with you on helping people when they are in need. If SOME ignorant &amp; racist Koreans/Asians want to pull their racist B/S, then they will eventually suffer from their lying and false accusations, as many of these Asian countries are. 
 
I have seen this same attitude in other Asian countries and it never ceases to amaze me how a culture can be so uncaring about it&#039;s fellow citizens. However, there are just some situations that I would make an instant decision to ignore and keep on going for exactly the same reasons that many of the posters have outlined...especially in instances where alcohol is obviously the cause (they can suffer the misfortunes of their own stupidity), or where there is already a crowd of the indigenous population milling around. This is probably the best way to approach any of tese siuations...let the locals attempt to provide assistance first and then ask them if they would like you to assist them. CYA! 
 
As DMZ Dave pointed out after the fact, you should always have persons/numbers that you should contact in the event of one of these situations and let the established authorities hash it out. Unfortunately, private citizens are often left out in the cold in these countries, as the U.S. Embassy is about useless. 
 
I have been in a car accident in the Philippines, where we were rear-ended by a large truck...not one Filipino offered assistance and there were many standing around by a store and small coffee shop just gawking. That told me volumes about their culture. Have observed the same attitude in Thailand, korea, etc. It really makes you wonder about Asian cultures and their values. 
 
In contrast, I have seen many accidents in America, where complete strangers will stop and offer in-depth assistance...w/o even thinking about the consequences. 
 
While Asia can be a neat place to live, it does take a callous individual to tolerate their indifference towards human life. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DMZ Dave/Chickenhead:</p>
<p>Have to agree with you on helping people when they are in need. If SOME ignorant &amp; racist Koreans/Asians want to pull their racist B/S, then they will eventually suffer from their lying and false accusations, as many of these Asian countries are.</p>
<p>I have seen this same attitude in other Asian countries and it never ceases to amaze me how a culture can be so uncaring about it&#039;s fellow citizens. However, there are just some situations that I would make an instant decision to ignore and keep on going for exactly the same reasons that many of the posters have outlined&#8230;especially in instances where alcohol is obviously the cause (they can suffer the misfortunes of their own stupidity), or where there is already a crowd of the indigenous population milling around. This is probably the best way to approach any of tese siuations&#8230;let the locals attempt to provide assistance first and then ask them if they would like you to assist them. CYA!</p>
<p>As DMZ Dave pointed out after the fact, you should always have persons/numbers that you should contact in the event of one of these situations and let the established authorities hash it out. Unfortunately, private citizens are often left out in the cold in these countries, as the U.S. Embassy is about useless.</p>
<p>I have been in a car accident in the Philippines, where we were rear-ended by a large truck&#8230;not one Filipino offered assistance and there were many standing around by a store and small coffee shop just gawking. That told me volumes about their culture. Have observed the same attitude in Thailand, korea, etc. It really makes you wonder about Asian cultures and their values.</p>
<p>In contrast, I have seen many accidents in America, where complete strangers will stop and offer in-depth assistance&#8230;w/o even thinking about the consequences.</p>
<p>While Asia can be a neat place to live, it does take a callous individual to tolerate their indifference towards human life. </p>
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