Comments on: Should USFK Hold An Auction to Pay for Relocation Expenses? http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/ Korea From North to South Fri, 25 May 2012 22:57:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: OneFreeKorea » With Friends Like These (Pt. 2) http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/comment-page-1/#comment-248644 OneFreeKorea » With Friends Like These (Pt. 2) Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:34:43 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/#comment-248644 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] of cost-sharing, GI Korea links to South Korea’s latest creative scheme for sharing an even smaller portion of the cost of [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] of cost-sharing, GI Korea links to South Korea’s latest creative scheme for sharing an even smaller portion of the cost of [...]

]]> By: Korea Continues to Delay Cost Sharing Deal http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/comment-page-1/#comment-181264 Korea Continues to Delay Cost Sharing Deal Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:44:32 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/#comment-181264 [...] goods instead of cash proposal is something the Korean government has been trying to get the US to agree to because providing [...] [...] goods instead of cash proposal is something the Korean government has been trying to get the US to agree to because providing [...]

]]> By: Jax http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/comment-page-1/#comment-172140 Jax Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:46:46 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/#comment-172140 I understand your view that at the strategic level, Americans "gone native" is a small problem in comparison to the ROK government. But at the pointy tip of the spear, its impact is far greater on soldiers' personal lives. Staff planning, budgeting, quality of life, curfew, black marketing, etc. are all negatively influenced by these jokers. You could almost describe it as an American "Fifth Column" against America in Korea (though the motivation is more money than politics). I understand your view that at the strategic level, Americans "gone native" is a small problem in comparison to the ROK government.

But at the pointy tip of the spear, its impact is far greater on soldiers' personal lives. Staff planning, budgeting, quality of life, curfew, black marketing, etc. are all negatively influenced by these jokers. You could almost describe it as an American "Fifth Column" against America in Korea (though the motivation is more money than politics).

]]> By: Jax http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/comment-page-1/#comment-172113 Jax Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:17:49 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/#comment-172113 GI Korea, Though your posting goes into great and accurate detail on why the ROKs want to stop USFK transformation, I would suggest that you also acknowledge the fact that various elements of the US "institution" in Korea do not want transformation either; and over the years, they have both actively and passively worked to undermine GEN Bell's agenda. These elements represent all walks of US Government service (to include US contractors, ex-pats, and Korean-Americans who live off the US largess), and they have many reasons for wanting to ensure that Yongsan and Area I remain open for business ... but mostly to satisfy the legal and illegal business/social network interests of their Korean wives and in-laws. Oh yeh, they also make sure to get a cut for themselves. Michael Breen's "Mad Cow Hysteria" article from 5 June 2008 briefly mentions but oversimplifies this phenomenon in its description of Americans who [don't do] their jobs properly "out of love for Koreans." What should be acknowledged is that a significant portion of the US "institution" in Korea has gone native and wants to keep the status quo for their own personal interests. GI Korea,

Though your posting goes into great and accurate detail on why the ROKs want to stop USFK transformation, I would suggest that you also acknowledge the fact that various elements of the US "institution" in Korea do not want transformation either; and over the years, they have both actively and passively worked to undermine GEN Bell's agenda.

These elements represent all walks of US Government service (to include US contractors, ex-pats, and Korean-Americans who live off the US largess), and they have many reasons for wanting to ensure that Yongsan and Area I remain open for business … but mostly to satisfy the legal and illegal business/social network interests of their Korean wives and in-laws. Oh yeh, they also make sure to get a cut for themselves.

Michael Breen's "Mad Cow Hysteria" article from 5 June 2008 briefly mentions but oversimplifies this phenomenon in its description of Americans who [don't do] their jobs properly "out of love for Koreans."

What should be acknowledged is that a significant portion of the US "institution" in Korea has gone native and wants to keep the status quo for their own personal interests.

]]> By: GI Korea http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/comment-page-1/#comment-172013 GI Korea Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:51:41 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/#comment-172013 Sonagi getting US soldiers out of Korea is not something that is going happen anytime soon. The relocation to Camp Humphreys is the second best thing for now and a step closer to eventually getting further troop cuts. Sonagi getting US soldiers out of Korea is not something that is going happen anytime soon. The relocation to Camp Humphreys is the second best thing for now and a step closer to eventually getting further troop cuts.

]]> By: GI Korea http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/comment-page-1/#comment-172135 GI Korea Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:55:10 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/#comment-172135 Jax very true but the expat part of this is small compared to what the Korean government has been doing. The American government is also very much to blame for showing no political will to tackle the issue except when Rumsfeld was in charge who was responsible for bringing in Bell and pushing the USFK transformation agenda. When Rumsfeld resigend from office all political will in Washington went with him and gave the Korean government the green light they needed to continue the delay games. There is a lot gravy training going on in regards to the USFK presence in Korea and it appears there is little indication it is going to change anytime soon. Jax very true but the expat part of this is small compared to what the Korean government has been doing. The American government is also very much to blame for showing no political will to tackle the issue except when Rumsfeld was in charge who was responsible for bringing in Bell and pushing the USFK transformation agenda.

When Rumsfeld resigend from office all political will in Washington went with him and gave the Korean government the green light they needed to continue the delay games.

There is a lot gravy training going on in regards to the USFK presence in Korea and it appears there is little indication it is going to change anytime soon.

]]> By: Peter Hungus http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/comment-page-1/#comment-172046 Peter Hungus Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:08:01 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/#comment-172046 The ROK's are luckly that the CHICOM's didn't occupy the South. They would auction the LAND and bank the huge profits that USAG-Y will no doubt bring in. USFK needs to at least get out of Seoul. This place is tooooooooooo high-vis and there are too many fat-ass expats and LN's milking it. The ROK’s are luckly that the CHICOM’s didn’t occupy the South.

They would auction the LAND and bank the huge profits that USAG-Y will no doubt bring in.

USFK needs to at least get out of Seoul. This place is tooooooooooo high-vis and there are too many fat-ass expats and LN’s milking it.

]]> By: GI Korea http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/comment-page-1/#comment-171919 GI Korea Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:33:49 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/#comment-171919 What comment? You have to be more specific because it could have been put in the spam que that automatically filters messages. What comment? You have to be more specific because it could have been put in the spam que that automatically filters messages.

]]> By: a listener http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/comment-page-1/#comment-172007 a listener Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:25:37 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/#comment-172007 The further we get to Jeju Island or out of Korea the better. If Korea cannot defend itself after its enemy/self up north is starved then it never can. Time to withdraw from there. Our interests no longer coincide with the Korean peninsula's. The further we get to Jeju Island or out of Korea the better. If Korea cannot defend itself after its enemy/self up north is starved then it never can. Time to withdraw from there. Our interests no longer coincide with the Korean peninsula’s.

]]> By: Sonagi http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/comment-page-1/#comment-171935 Sonagi Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:53:36 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/23/should-usfk-hold-an-auction-to-pay-for-relocation-expenses/#comment-171935 Regardless of who pays, base relocation is a collossal waste of money that could be better spent transitioning our troops out of Korea. Regardless of who pays, base relocation is a collossal waste of money that could be better spent transitioning our troops out of Korea.

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