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		<title>By: Why Do GI&#8217;s Complain About Korea?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why Do GI&#8217;s Complain About Korea?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that if an incident happens between a Korean and a GI the assumption from the start is that the servicemember is at fault. A GI in Korea is truly guilty until he can prove themselves innocent. GI’s can be assaulted, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Calmseas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calmseas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completly agree with &quot;Benicio974.&quot; You might think that I am a cold-hearted SOB...and might possibly be correct, but when you are in a society where all of the cards are stacked against you, then it is house rules. 
 
Remeber taking a Medic First Aid/CPR course a few years back and when asked what would I do if I came upon a stranger who was non-responsive/not breathing? My answer: Call 911! The instructor stated that I should initiate CPR...Blah x 3. I countered that in today&#039;s world it is self-preservation to look out for yourself and let the appropriate authorities, with the malpractice insurance, take care of John Q. Citizen. 
 
I believe that this goes even further in foreign countries. My general rule, is if their own fellow countrymen will not get involved and help them, then why should I? 
 
But...being a god fearing American, I occasionally have lapses where I have rescued drowning Asians, etc. 
 
Will I never learn??? :roll: </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completly agree with &quot;Benicio974.&quot; You might think that I am a cold-hearted SOB&#8230;and might possibly be correct, but when you are in a society where all of the cards are stacked against you, then it is house rules.</p>
<p>Remeber taking a Medic First Aid/CPR course a few years back and when asked what would I do if I came upon a stranger who was non-responsive/not breathing? My answer: Call 911! The instructor stated that I should initiate CPR&#8230;Blah x 3. I countered that in today&#039;s world it is self-preservation to look out for yourself and let the appropriate authorities, with the malpractice insurance, take care of John Q. Citizen.</p>
<p>I believe that this goes even further in foreign countries. My general rule, is if their own fellow countrymen will not get involved and help them, then why should I?</p>
<p>But&#8230;being a god fearing American, I occasionally have lapses where I have rescued drowning Asians, etc.</p>
<p>Will I never learn??? <img src='http://rokdrop.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: BLB: Look how Koreans treat American Soldiers</title>
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		<dc:creator>BLB: Look how Koreans treat American Soldiers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Citizens Watch as Baby is Bashed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizens Watch as Baby is Bashed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Korean public gets a lot of criticism for not being good samaritans, so to be fair here is an example that Koreans are not the only ones willing to stand around and do [...]</description>
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		<title>By: shattered</title>
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		<dc:creator>shattered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;silent majority&quot; 
 
Nearly 1,000,000 people protesting US beef?  
 
Can you imagine 6,250,000 Americans marching about how Kimuchi stinks? LOL!  
 
What about 27 million chinese protesting about low quality Korean products? LOL 
 
The silent majority is speaking. Koreans hate the USA. </description>
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<p>Nearly 1,000,000 people protesting US beef? </p>
<p>Can you imagine 6,250,000 Americans marching about how Kimuchi stinks? LOL! </p>
<p>What about 27 million chinese protesting about low quality Korean products? LOL</p>
<p>The silent majority is speaking. Koreans hate the USA.</p>
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		<title>By: disinterested</title>
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		<dc:creator>disinterested</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I was saying was that the silent majority is all too common quiet.  Most of the Koreans that we spend time with just don&#039;t make themselves heard </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I was saying was that the silent majority is all too common quiet.  Most of the Koreans that we spend time with just don&#039;t make themselves heard</p>
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		<title>By: shattered</title>
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		<dc:creator>shattered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Japanese gave Korea a hand up from their africa style huts into civilizatoin and all it got them was hatred.  
 
The USA freed Korea from their so called &quot;slavery&quot; of colonization and today Koreans spit on the &quot;yankees&quot;. 
 
The Korean military cadets think the USA is a threat and even school children are clueless as to how and when the Korean war started.  
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSSEO21540820080624&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUS...&lt;/a&gt;  
 
&quot;Nearly half of South Korea&#039;s teenagers do not know who started the Korean War&quot; 
 
This proves what I have been saying for a long time. Korean teachers are so incompetent and Korean students are so foolish, they can&#039;t even learn the propaganda that the USA started the war. LOL, they cant even get that right. LOL </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Japanese gave Korea a hand up from their africa style huts into civilizatoin and all it got them was hatred. </p>
<p>The USA freed Korea from their so called &quot;slavery&quot; of colonization and today Koreans spit on the &quot;yankees&quot;.</p>
<p>The Korean military cadets think the USA is a threat and even school children are clueless as to how and when the Korean war started. </p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSSEO21540820080624" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUS&#8230;</a>  </p>
<p>&quot;Nearly half of South Korea&#039;s teenagers do not know who started the Korean War&quot;</p>
<p>This proves what I have been saying for a long time. Korean teachers are so incompetent and Korean students are so foolish, they can&#039;t even learn the propaganda that the USA started the war. LOL, they cant even get that right. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;a href=&quot;http://usinkorea.org/issues/sungod/index2.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://usinkorea.org/issues/sungod/index2.htm&lt;/a&gt;  
 
That link is to a story of about 15 Irish people getting whacked around by a security detail in Itaewon one Chusok a few years ago. 
 
From the articles that came out about it, it was easy to the owner/manager of the bar was at fault.  Meaning: there were so many contradictions in what was said - with stories changing here and there --- you got a pretty good idea that the Irish had a case to make with the police... 
 
....but of course....no action was taken. 
 
Knowing Korea, I can say at least the Irish were lucky in that they were not the ones arrested and fined. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://usinkorea.org/issues/sungod/index2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://usinkorea.org/issues/sungod/index2.htm</a>  </p>
<p>That link is to a story of about 15 Irish people getting whacked around by a security detail in Itaewon one Chusok a few years ago.</p>
<p>From the articles that came out about it, it was easy to the owner/manager of the bar was at fault.  Meaning: there were so many contradictions in what was said &#8211; with stories changing here and there &#8212; you got a pretty good idea that the Irish had a case to make with the police&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;.but of course&#8230;.no action was taken.</p>
<p>Knowing Korea, I can say at least the Irish were lucky in that they were not the ones arrested and fined.</p>
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		<title>By: Benicio974</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benicio974</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been thinking about it some more and it comes down to some more issues of Korean culture. 
Aside from the &quot;me first&quot; ultra-competitiveness of Korean society dictating, there are some other issues of law and society that go into it: 
1)Self defense is not recognised by the law. If attacked, you are not legally allowed to use force to defend yourself. This is the most or one of the most f***ed up things about Korean law. If you forcefully defend yourself, you can easily find yourself in a world of trouble. The police have no logical solution to the BS this creates, but they just think &#039;you shouldn&#039;t have been in that situation in the first place, so you probably deserved it&#039;. This is a major reason Koreans do not get involved in these situations because they know that they can easily end up on the wrong side of the law and have to pay for it. 
2) The rule of &quot;blood money&quot;(hwap ee geum)- if you wrong somebody, you have to pay them. This system has gotten it so twisted that many times an innocent person has had to pay someone an exorbitant amount to someone who knows how to twist and manipulate the law. I had to do this myself when an ajumma lied about how she ran into me while I was riding my scooter- witnesses backed up her story. When the f***ing bonehead cops told her I work at the university, she really got dollar/Won signs in her eyes. When Koreans get hurt, they are looking to get paid, even if they are to blame. The system is set up that way and Koreans know it. People who get hurt are looking to cash in and most Koreans think it unwise to help them. 
3)Transference- when people are wronged or get hurt, they sometimes look to take out their frustrations out on or place the blame on innocent bystanders. It&#039;s part of getting &#039;justice&#039; and &#039;what&#039;s owed you&#039;, even if the target is an innocent person in the wrong place at the wrong time.  This happens all over the world- like the Vincent Chin case. However, I have seen a lot of of it here, especially when alcohol is involved. People who feel they have been wronged are looking to take out their frustrations on someone and &#039;get justice&#039; even if they are completely wrong. Most Koreans know this and look to stay away from these people. 
It&#039;s time for the foreigner/GI population and be on the defensive here. Notice trouble before it notices you- especially when it is in high risk, big drinking areas or at a time when xenophobia and nationalism are at a high like right now. 
I hate to say it, but think twice before getting involved with locals in trouble. It very well may come back to bite you in the a$$ because the system is set up that way.  The Koreans know it. We need to, too! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been thinking about it some more and it comes down to some more issues of Korean culture.</p>
<p>Aside from the &quot;me first&quot; ultra-competitiveness of Korean society dictating, there are some other issues of law and society that go into it:</p>
<p>1)Self defense is not recognised by the law. If attacked, you are not legally allowed to use force to defend yourself. This is the most or one of the most f***ed up things about Korean law. If you forcefully defend yourself, you can easily find yourself in a world of trouble. The police have no logical solution to the BS this creates, but they just think &#039;you shouldn&#039;t have been in that situation in the first place, so you probably deserved it&#039;. This is a major reason Koreans do not get involved in these situations because they know that they can easily end up on the wrong side of the law and have to pay for it.</p>
<p>2) The rule of &quot;blood money&quot;(hwap ee geum)- if you wrong somebody, you have to pay them. This system has gotten it so twisted that many times an innocent person has had to pay someone an exorbitant amount to someone who knows how to twist and manipulate the law. I had to do this myself when an ajumma lied about how she ran into me while I was riding my scooter- witnesses backed up her story. When the f***ing bonehead cops told her I work at the university, she really got dollar/Won signs in her eyes. When Koreans get hurt, they are looking to get paid, even if they are to blame. The system is set up that way and Koreans know it. People who get hurt are looking to cash in and most Koreans think it unwise to help them.</p>
<p>3)Transference- when people are wronged or get hurt, they sometimes look to take out their frustrations out on or place the blame on innocent bystanders. It&#039;s part of getting &#039;justice&#039; and &#039;what&#039;s owed you&#039;, even if the target is an innocent person in the wrong place at the wrong time.  This happens all over the world- like the Vincent Chin case. However, I have seen a lot of of it here, especially when alcohol is involved. People who feel they have been wronged are looking to take out their frustrations on someone and &#039;get justice&#039; even if they are completely wrong. Most Koreans know this and look to stay away from these people.</p>
<p>It&#039;s time for the foreigner/GI population and be on the defensive here. Notice trouble before it notices you- especially when it is in high risk, big drinking areas or at a time when xenophobia and nationalism are at a high like right now.</p>
<p>I hate to say it, but think twice before getting involved with locals in trouble. It very well may come back to bite you in the a$$ because the system is set up that way.  The Koreans know it. We need to, too!</p>
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		<title>By: shattered</title>
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		<dc:creator>shattered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#8217;ve never felt quite the same about Korea since that day.&quot; 
 
Hopefully you learned your lesson. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I&rsquo;ve never felt quite the same about Korea since that day.&quot;</p>
<p>Hopefully you learned your lesson.</p>
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