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		<title>By: chae s. sone</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/05/using-religious-groups-for-moral-cover/#comment-182598</link>
		<dc:creator>chae s. sone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mad cowed assemblymen.

WHO REPRESENTS KOREA?,  MAD COWS?, MOBS?. OR DUMMIES?
The Korean people want to be free from the mad cow riots. It reminds Rousseau’s statement. “Man is born free, yet everywhere he is chains.” In this social condition, he proposed an idea of a representative government. So the citizens send their elected representatives to the parliament to present the voice of the people to find solutions for the problems.
Now in Korea, the government is a representative democratic system.
Under the present circumstances, the opposition parties are boycotting the assembly to prevent the opening of the new assembly. Thus, the opposition leaders are neglecting their own duties to represent the people. In other words, they abandoned their responsibilities as the representatives of the people. Outside the parliament, they do not have a legitimate voice or a forum.  If they have a legitimate disagreement with the beef import issue, they should come to tell their opinion to the national assembly. They are just trying to paralyze the function of the government.
Thus, their very action is destructive and disqualifies their representation –A reverse course to the parliamentary system. 
It is questionable if the government authority has the power to dismiss the disobedient opposition members. If so, it should oust them and let the people have a new election for their own true representation. Otherwise the society can not stand in peace under the status of “misgivings.” Needless to say KorUSFTA benefits. 
BAN KI MOON, UN SECRETARY
Even if they have a disagreement with the beef imports, they should have convened the assembly even during the demonstrations.
More over, the national Assembly knew that UN Secretary Ban Ki Moon will visit Korea. They should have prepared in advance to receive him. Thus, UN Secretary Ban Ki Moon should have been respectably welcomed, as an international dignitary, and let him speak to the joint session of the government and the Assembly that represented the Korean people. But, they failed miserably as they violated their protocol in the occasion. Unfortunately, the UN secretary did not have a chance to speak proudly to his countrymen, Koreans, who were saved by the UN army. Thus, the Korean people scarred themselves, as if their representatives were ignorant derelicts. They seemed to have ignored their own status as the assemblymen.  They just tried to snub the Lee Myung Bak government.
However, the opposition leaders actually snubbed themselves as if spitting into each other’s face. What a shameful action?
They misrepresented Koreans’ image to the world.
 Koreans must know that South Korea was able to preserve its tiny territory because UN member nations sacrificed their lives to save South Korea from the communist aggressors.
 But they missed the great opportunity to express the Korean gratitude to the Secretary who represents the member nations.  Because of their misrepresentation, the Korean people be ashamed of themselves. 
The Secretary is a proud Korean citizen. Thus, the Korean people are considered to be honored so much in the international scene because of his statue. 
Imagine if these mobs had taken over the legitimate government in riots, what would happen to the people? Their suffering would be much worse than the mad cow ghosts can give.
GORBACHEV  KIM
Remember the procommunist demonstrators that your mentor Kim Jong Il is evolving into Gorbachev Kim. You do not have any other place to go now but Myanmar or Zimbabwe. Korea should keep up its pace according to the change of East Asian political scene. The denuclearization is both US and our victory. 
The opposition leaders and senseless demonstrators owe an apology to the nation. Especially, the undignified religious leaders should be ashamed of their not-so-saintly, subnormal spirituality, joining the senseless mad cow demonstrators against the very new government that you did not give even
a short period of honeymoon. Don’t you think you are cruelly mad cowed? – Think over! Where to go from here? Have good time South Korean mad cowed comrads!

Do you know why the smart cruel communist soldier killed the women traveler? They just wanted to give the trouble to the South Korean government.

       Wake up! Stay on the line of law and order! Eat beef; work harder, Korea will be beautiful for ever beyond the mad cows. It’s yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mad cowed assemblymen.</p>
<p>WHO REPRESENTS KOREA?,  MAD COWS?, MOBS?. OR DUMMIES?<br />
The Korean people want to be free from the mad cow riots. It reminds Rousseau’s statement. “Man is born free, yet everywhere he is chains.” In this social condition, he proposed an idea of a representative government. So the citizens send their elected representatives to the parliament to present the voice of the people to find solutions for the problems.<br />
Now in Korea, the government is a representative democratic system.<br />
Under the present circumstances, the opposition parties are boycotting the assembly to prevent the opening of the new assembly. Thus, the opposition leaders are neglecting their own duties to represent the people. In other words, they abandoned their responsibilities as the representatives of the people. Outside the parliament, they do not have a legitimate voice or a forum.  If they have a legitimate disagreement with the beef import issue, they should come to tell their opinion to the national assembly. They are just trying to paralyze the function of the government.<br />
Thus, their very action is destructive and disqualifies their representation –A reverse course to the parliamentary system.<br />
It is questionable if the government authority has the power to dismiss the disobedient opposition members. If so, it should oust them and let the people have a new election for their own true representation. Otherwise the society can not stand in peace under the status of “misgivings.” Needless to say KorUSFTA benefits.<br />
BAN KI MOON, UN SECRETARY<br />
Even if they have a disagreement with the beef imports, they should have convened the assembly even during the demonstrations.<br />
More over, the national Assembly knew that UN Secretary Ban Ki Moon will visit Korea. They should have prepared in advance to receive him. Thus, UN Secretary Ban Ki Moon should have been respectably welcomed, as an international dignitary, and let him speak to the joint session of the government and the Assembly that represented the Korean people. But, they failed miserably as they violated their protocol in the occasion. Unfortunately, the UN secretary did not have a chance to speak proudly to his countrymen, Koreans, who were saved by the UN army. Thus, the Korean people scarred themselves, as if their representatives were ignorant derelicts. They seemed to have ignored their own status as the assemblymen.  They just tried to snub the Lee Myung Bak government.<br />
However, the opposition leaders actually snubbed themselves as if spitting into each other’s face. What a shameful action?<br />
They misrepresented Koreans’ image to the world.<br />
 Koreans must know that South Korea was able to preserve its tiny territory because UN member nations sacrificed their lives to save South Korea from the communist aggressors.<br />
 But they missed the great opportunity to express the Korean gratitude to the Secretary who represents the member nations.  Because of their misrepresentation, the Korean people be ashamed of themselves.<br />
The Secretary is a proud Korean citizen. Thus, the Korean people are considered to be honored so much in the international scene because of his statue.<br />
Imagine if these mobs had taken over the legitimate government in riots, what would happen to the people? Their suffering would be much worse than the mad cow ghosts can give.<br />
GORBACHEV  KIM<br />
Remember the procommunist demonstrators that your mentor Kim Jong Il is evolving into Gorbachev Kim. You do not have any other place to go now but Myanmar or Zimbabwe. Korea should keep up its pace according to the change of East Asian political scene. The denuclearization is both US and our victory.<br />
The opposition leaders and senseless demonstrators owe an apology to the nation. Especially, the undignified religious leaders should be ashamed of their not-so-saintly, subnormal spirituality, joining the senseless mad cow demonstrators against the very new government that you did not give even<br />
a short period of honeymoon. Don’t you think you are cruelly mad cowed? – Think over! Where to go from here? Have good time South Korean mad cowed comrads!</p>
<p>Do you know why the smart cruel communist soldier killed the women traveler? They just wanted to give the trouble to the South Korean government.</p>
<p>       Wake up! Stay on the line of law and order! Eat beef; work harder, Korea will be beautiful for ever beyond the mad cows. It’s yours.</p>
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		<title>By: USinKorea</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/05/using-religious-groups-for-moral-cover/#comment-176833</link>
		<dc:creator>USinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all part of the usual ebb-and-flow of Korean protest cycles.  For the average Korean, it is sport.  For the die-hards, it is sincere.

But, though I believe the average Korean isn't sincere when they take up arms with the radicals, or parrot them in conversations around the office water-cooler, I still believe they are significant - and it is one reason I'd rather see US troops pulled out of harm's way instead of facing a teetering-but-dangerous North Korea...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all part of the usual ebb-and-flow of Korean protest cycles.  For the average Korean, it is sport.  For the die-hards, it is sincere.</p>
<p>But, though I believe the average Korean isn&#8217;t sincere when they take up arms with the radicals, or parrot them in conversations around the office water-cooler, I still believe they are significant - and it is one reason I&#8217;d rather see US troops pulled out of harm&#8217;s way instead of facing a teetering-but-dangerous North Korea&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: shattered</title>
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		<dc:creator>shattered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like I was right all along GI. 

As violent protesters rejoice in their actions during candlelight vigils in Seoul, an ordinary family is shocked, saying, “I think they’re going in the wrong direction.” 
Signs are that ordinary citizens are turning their backs on the protests originally prompted by fears over U.S. beef imports, while a hard core of professional leftwing demonstrators remain determined to harness them to a smorgasbord of causes. 

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200806/200806240029.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like I was right all along GI. </p>
<p>As violent protesters rejoice in their actions during candlelight vigils in Seoul, an ordinary family is shocked, saying, “I think they’re going in the wrong direction.”<br />
Signs are that ordinary citizens are turning their backs on the protests originally prompted by fears over U.S. beef imports, while a hard core of professional leftwing demonstrators remain determined to harness them to a smorgasbord of causes. </p>
<p><a href="http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200806/200806240029.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200806/200806240029.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: shattered</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/05/using-religious-groups-for-moral-cover/#comment-176020</link>
		<dc:creator>shattered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 05:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least there is still justice in the USA.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-cho27-2008jun27,0,1677646.story


2 La Habra police officers cleared in deadly New Year's Eve shooting
O.C. district attorney says the officers acted legally when they killed Michael Cho, who apparently was wielding a tire iron. Korean American leaders are told it was 'a justifiable homicide.'


Thank baby Jesus they killed him. The police saved an unknown number of lives by legally exicuting  this Korean pre-murderer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least there is still justice in the USA.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-cho27-2008jun27,0,1677646.story" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-cho27-2008jun27,0,1677646.story</a></p>
<p>2 La Habra police officers cleared in deadly New Year&#8217;s Eve shooting<br />
O.C. district attorney says the officers acted legally when they killed Michael Cho, who apparently was wielding a tire iron. Korean American leaders are told it was &#8216;a justifiable homicide.&#8217;</p>
<p>Thank baby Jesus they killed him. The police saved an unknown number of lives by legally exicuting  this Korean pre-murderer.</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 02:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ut videam,

KK and the others explained it in detail - including notes I had put in my comments: It is the message of the day.  I specifically said that the leaders of the religious groups will do and say anything they think will gain the best play in the general population.  

For Maehyang-ri, at the time Korean society was ripe to vent on the US thanks to the euphoria over the NK-SK Summit - The Priest staged violent strikes against the bombing range out in the middle of no where - because that would gain media coverage at a time when the media was preoccupied with other things.

In 2005 and 2006, The Priest tried to do the same thing in Pyongtaek and the student union at Ichon's Freedom Park and the MacArthur statue.  In these three cases, they failed to gain public support.  In fact, because the society was afraid Roh wanted USFK to downsize and  didn't want to fight to prevent it -- the society listened to the media and put pressure on the activist groups.

Now, Roh is gone, and the society has shown it is ready and willing to join in the protests but were balking at some of the violence, so they have done what leaders do -- tried to influence the environment to suit what they think is best for their cause.

Talking about previous protest cycles isn't a narrow view.

It helps understand what is going on now.

So --- when I see many of the same faces of the leaders who have used violence in the past to promote their message - now preaching non-violence ---

---- and I have seen these same faces at EVERY conceivable cause to protest the US in Korea ---

----I find it hard to swallow the BS they are selling today.

And all of these priest and nuns and monks aren't spontaneously gathering due to individual initiative.  They are following leaders --- and many of those leaders are well known on the anti-US circuit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ut videam,</p>
<p>KK and the others explained it in detail - including notes I had put in my comments: It is the message of the day.  I specifically said that the leaders of the religious groups will do and say anything they think will gain the best play in the general population.  </p>
<p>For Maehyang-ri, at the time Korean society was ripe to vent on the US thanks to the euphoria over the NK-SK Summit - The Priest staged violent strikes against the bombing range out in the middle of no where - because that would gain media coverage at a time when the media was preoccupied with other things.</p>
<p>In 2005 and 2006, The Priest tried to do the same thing in Pyongtaek and the student union at Ichon&#8217;s Freedom Park and the MacArthur statue.  In these three cases, they failed to gain public support.  In fact, because the society was afraid Roh wanted USFK to downsize and  didn&#8217;t want to fight to prevent it &#8212; the society listened to the media and put pressure on the activist groups.</p>
<p>Now, Roh is gone, and the society has shown it is ready and willing to join in the protests but were balking at some of the violence, so they have done what leaders do &#8212; tried to influence the environment to suit what they think is best for their cause.</p>
<p>Talking about previous protest cycles isn&#8217;t a narrow view.</p>
<p>It helps understand what is going on now.</p>
<p>So &#8212; when I see many of the same faces of the leaders who have used violence in the past to promote their message - now preaching non-violence &#8212;</p>
<p>&#8212;- and I have seen these same faces at EVERY conceivable cause to protest the US in Korea &#8212;</p>
<p>&#8212;-I find it hard to swallow the BS they are selling today.</p>
<p>And all of these priest and nuns and monks aren&#8217;t spontaneously gathering due to individual initiative.  They are following leaders &#8212; and many of those leaders are well known on the anti-US circuit.</p>
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		<title>By: calmseas</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 01:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every time these so called religious persons come out to protest something as silly as the importation of U.S. Beef, they just drag their hypocritical religion down with them...especially those representing the Catholic religion, which has happened in the Philippines already.

Yea, the noisy LEFT is desperate and has been found out to be nothing more than "Chumps" of the North's Anti-Imperialist, get rid of America, etc. program, but these stupid SOBs still keep marching to the same old off-tune beat.

Let the Korean police beat the Hell out of them over-and-over again, because people such as these will never listen to reason, or an intelligent discussion. Do they really think that the World gives two shakes of the Tally Whacker about them? Then they are only fooling themselves...only NGOs like Amnesty Intl., who has NO crdibility, gets them stirred up into thinking that people actually care. :roll:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time these so called religious persons come out to protest something as silly as the importation of U.S. Beef, they just drag their hypocritical religion down with them&#8230;especially those representing the Catholic religion, which has happened in the Philippines already.</p>
<p>Yea, the noisy LEFT is desperate and has been found out to be nothing more than &#8220;Chumps&#8221; of the North&#8217;s Anti-Imperialist, get rid of America, etc. program, but these stupid SOBs still keep marching to the same old off-tune beat.</p>
<p>Let the Korean police beat the Hell out of them over-and-over again, because people such as these will never listen to reason, or an intelligent discussion. Do they really think that the World gives two shakes of the Tally Whacker about them? Then they are only fooling themselves&#8230;only NGOs like Amnesty Intl., who has NO crdibility, gets them stirred up into thinking that people actually care. <img src='http://rokdrop.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: In Seoul</title>
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		<dc:creator>In Seoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KK Kau Manua,

“…THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT BY UNDEMOCRATIC MEANS AS THEY HAVE LOST ALL POLITICAL POWER!!!”

This is the truth. I don’t think the radical left would stop even if the beef deal were “renegotiated.” They would simply find another way to stir things up. I suspect this will not end soon and will not end well for the people of Korea. The tragedy is that good people in Korea will have to suffer the consequences of the outcome of where this is all going. Even if they were able to renegotiate, a demand on the United States to renegotiate would probably lead to a significant negative backlash from Washington. I think this is when we would truly see the true motives of those instigating these “anti-American” beef rallies. They will turn their venom directly on the one they truly hate: the United States.

P.S. Many leftist think they are always morally right. Therefore, it should be no surprise when one sees these people use all means possible to accomplish their goal and use the goal to justify the means. Thus, they can use undemocratic means to overthrow a democratically elected government. Yes, in advanced democratic countries there are organized protests, but these kinds of problems should have been worked out through their “elected” representatives. If they did not like the results, they could kick these people out during the next “legally” held election. The people who are supporting these protests are simply doing long-term damage to Korea’s image and sowing the seeds of ill will in the hearts of Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KK Kau Manua,</p>
<p>“…THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT BY UNDEMOCRATIC MEANS AS THEY HAVE LOST ALL POLITICAL POWER!!!”</p>
<p>This is the truth. I don’t think the radical left would stop even if the beef deal were “renegotiated.” They would simply find another way to stir things up. I suspect this will not end soon and will not end well for the people of Korea. The tragedy is that good people in Korea will have to suffer the consequences of the outcome of where this is all going. Even if they were able to renegotiate, a demand on the United States to renegotiate would probably lead to a significant negative backlash from Washington. I think this is when we would truly see the true motives of those instigating these “anti-American” beef rallies. They will turn their venom directly on the one they truly hate: the United States.</p>
<p>P.S. Many leftist think they are always morally right. Therefore, it should be no surprise when one sees these people use all means possible to accomplish their goal and use the goal to justify the means. Thus, they can use undemocratic means to overthrow a democratically elected government. Yes, in advanced democratic countries there are organized protests, but these kinds of problems should have been worked out through their “elected” representatives. If they did not like the results, they could kick these people out during the next “legally” held election. The people who are supporting these protests are simply doing long-term damage to Korea’s image and sowing the seeds of ill will in the hearts of Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: No Clashes Reported as Beef Protests Continue &#38; Counter-Demonstration Falters</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Clashes Reported as Beef Protests Continue &#38; Counter-Demonstration Falters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] appears that the leftist affiliated religious groups have been able to keep the extreme left wing thugs in check at least for last night as no violence [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] appears that the leftist affiliated religious groups have been able to keep the extreme left wing thugs in check at least for last night as no violence [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Enjoy Every Sandwich &#124; Mr. Christie Brinkley Had a Good Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enjoy Every Sandwich &#124; Mr. Christie Brinkley Had a Good Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: KK Kau Manua</title>
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		<dc:creator>KK Kau Manua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW in your photos above, I believe those are not Catholic priests, but Protestants ministers.    

In the photo with the Buddhists, Fr. Jeon Jong-hoon is the priest with the white vestments.  The same type he served communion to the residents of Daechuri before the Hanchongryeon took their splintered bamboo poles to slice up the ROK army soldiers in the fields.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW in your photos above, I believe those are not Catholic priests, but Protestants ministers.    </p>
<p>In the photo with the Buddhists, Fr. Jeon Jong-hoon is the priest with the white vestments.  The same type he served communion to the residents of Daechuri before the Hanchongryeon took their splintered bamboo poles to slice up the ROK army soldiers in the fields.</p>
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