Comments on: US Soldier “Rapes” Woman In Dongducheon http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/ Korea From North to South Fri, 25 May 2012 23:49:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Jeff http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/comment-page-1/#comment-372742 Jeff Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:32:56 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-372742 Exactly. You can not like some one for who they are or how they act regardless of ethnicity. Seems now that every opinion or discussion turns to race. I think there is no room for hyphenated Americans, demographically pure pagents, caucuses, colleges, television networks, award shows and the like. This just solidifies (sp?) the stereotypes and promotes separation. I retired two years ago this week...I saw the writing on the wall....most of it was misspelled :smile: I could see the change in the Army from the 80's to 90's to what we have now..I sure miss Ronald Reagan.. Exactly. You can not like some one for who they are or how they act regardless of ethnicity. Seems now that every opinion or discussion turns to race. I think there is no room for hyphenated Americans, demographically pure pagents, caucuses, colleges, television networks, award shows and the like. This just solidifies (sp?) the stereotypes and promotes separation. I retired two years ago this week…I saw the writing on the wall….most of it was misspelled :smile: I could see the change in the Army from the 80's to 90's to what we have now..I sure miss Ronald Reagan..

]]> By: Retired GI http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/comment-page-1/#comment-372741 Retired GI Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:56:40 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-372741 When i was a PFC at Campbell, I was walkin back from motor-pool with an E5. He asked me what color he was. I said, "your black Sarge". He asked me what color I was. I said, "I'm white Sarge". He said to me, "Your wrong. We are both Green. We leave those other colors at the gate for the civilians to worry about. We have better things to do." Back then, he was correct. Not these days. Those days ended in the mid 90's. He also told me that if we were ever in the same foxhole and a grenade came in, he was throwing me on it :smile: I was happy for the warning. One of the best NCO's I had in twenty years. He got kicked out after graduation from BNCOC. Coming through the gate they smelled alcohol. Zero tolerance clamed another. Campbell, home of MADD. When i was a PFC at Campbell, I was walkin back from motor-pool with an E5.

He asked me what color he was. I said, "your black Sarge".

He asked me what color I was. I said, "I'm white Sarge".

He said to me, "Your wrong. We are both Green. We leave those other colors at the gate for the civilians to worry about. We have better

things to do."

Back then, he was correct. Not these days. Those days ended in the mid 90's.

He also told me that if we were ever in the same foxhole and a grenade came in, he was throwing me on it :smile:

I was happy for the warning.

One of the best NCO's I had in twenty years. He got kicked out after graduation from BNCOC. Coming through the gate they smelled alcohol.

Zero tolerance clamed another. Campbell, home of MADD.

]]> By: Jeff http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/comment-page-1/#comment-372727 Jeff Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:43:04 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-372727 One of the biggest problems with what you describe (and it's true) that the command doesn't want to address the behavior, mannerisms, dress or lifestyle 'portrayal' of segments of USFK members for fear of being labeled 'racist'..this word has lost its meaning and effect in the last year. Today's generation of military seem like they want to distance themselves from being associated with being a professional soldier; so when off duty they dress like a pop culture 'thug'. We are losing our pride in being a soldier and fail to address the real issues which are how ALL ranks conduct themselves when not on duty. Go to the Dragon Hill Lodge on a weekend late night and observe the behavior of both enlisted and officers. There is no Command Influence there because they stick their heads in the sand and deny there's anything wrong. It's just a shame that the senior leadership fail to conduct leadership by walking around. We are supposed to have an educated armed forces, but the education they are getting is from government public schools and that says it all. The last 10-15 years has seen the change where the civilian world's ethics and values have crept into the military. It used to be you conformed or you were cast out. it's just sad because with all the spotlights being shone on the less desriables, there are exponentially more members of USFK that toe the line everyday and keep the train rolling without making noise. Rant Finished One of the biggest problems with what you describe (and it's true) that the command doesn't want to address the behavior, mannerisms, dress or lifestyle 'portrayal' of segments of USFK members for fear of being labeled 'racist'..this word has lost its meaning and effect in the last year. Today's generation of military seem like they want to distance themselves from being associated with being a professional soldier; so when off duty they dress like a pop culture 'thug'. We are losing our pride in being a soldier and fail to address the real issues which are how ALL ranks conduct themselves when not on duty. Go to the Dragon Hill Lodge on a weekend late night and observe the behavior of both enlisted and officers. There is no Command Influence there because they stick their heads in the sand and deny there's anything wrong.

It's just a shame that the senior leadership fail to conduct leadership by walking around. We are supposed to have an educated armed forces, but the education they are getting is from government public schools and that says it all. The last 10-15 years has seen the change where the civilian world's ethics and values have crept into the military. It used to be you conformed or you were cast out.

it's just sad because with all the spotlights being shone on the less desriables, there are exponentially more members of USFK that toe the line everyday and keep the train rolling without making noise.

Rant Finished

]]> By: TefJLIves http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/comment-page-1/#comment-372695 TefJLIves Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:12:12 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-372695 Yeah, maybe that army guy was totally innocent, but I've been walking around for a few months here in Korea, and no Koreans have given me any trouble. I walked around a bit the other day in Itaewon, and was shocked to see all the sociopaths and gangbangers there. I honestly think we are reducing prison populations in the US by taking some of our worst offenders, strapping military uniforms on them, and shipping them off to Korea. The only time I've feared for my safety here was around American servicemen. You're really surprised the locals are pissed? I'm pissed off, too, seeing some of the hoods over here representing our country. You think that serviceman is innocent, despite the 30 or so witnesses who saw him do it? I would bet any amount of money you'd care to wager that servicemen commit more crime, and more serious crimes, against Korean civilians than the other way around. And I'm sure it's not even close. Yeah, maybe that army guy was totally innocent, but I've been walking around for a few months here in Korea, and no Koreans have given me any trouble. I walked around a bit the other day in Itaewon, and was shocked to see all the sociopaths and gangbangers there. I honestly think we are reducing prison populations in the US by taking some of our worst offenders, strapping military uniforms on them, and shipping them off to Korea. The only time I've feared for my safety here was around American servicemen. You're really surprised the locals are pissed? I'm pissed off, too, seeing some of the hoods over here representing our country. You think that serviceman is innocent, despite the 30 or so witnesses who saw him do it? I would bet any amount of money you'd care to wager that servicemen commit more crime, and more serious crimes, against Korean civilians than the other way around. And I'm sure it's not even close.

]]> By: Brad Purcell http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/comment-page-1/#comment-335937 Brad Purcell Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:53:46 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-335937 *uck them bitches boys; lol lol Brad Purcell bradley.purcell@skyitgroup.com Atlanta, GA *uck them bitches boys; lol lol

Brad Purcell

bradley.purcell@skyitgroup.com

Atlanta, GA

]]> By: The Lion http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/comment-page-1/#comment-179582 The Lion Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:19:38 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-179582 Hey GI I would like to do some writing for the site if that is at all possible. Let me know if that would be ok and we can contact each other. Hey GI I would like to do some writing for the site if that is at all possible. Let me know if that would be ok and we can contact each other.

]]> By: shattered http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/comment-page-1/#comment-179237 shattered Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:31:15 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-179237 [DELETED FOR PERSONAL ATTACK] Note that anymore personal attacks will lead you to being banned. You can disagree with someone but you don’t need to launch personal attacks against them. [DELETED FOR PERSONAL ATTACK] Note that anymore personal attacks will lead you to being banned. You can disagree with someone but you don’t need to launch personal attacks against them.

]]> By: The Lion http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/comment-page-1/#comment-179160 The Lion Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:35:26 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-179160 Did you guys not read my post. I lived with the guy for christs sake. Im not trying to make exscuses for the guy I'm just giving what facts I can. Did you guys not read my post. I lived with the guy for christs sake. Im not trying to make exscuses for the guy I'm just giving what facts I can.

]]> By: john http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/comment-page-1/#comment-178166 john Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:06:01 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-178166 GI... We all know life isnt fair (and my spelling is horrible) but you take the good with the bad when you hang out in the ROK. As far as your post above (rape case released), a good lawyer goes a long way in this country. Guilty people do get off (and vice versa) but in the end, their version of justice is served for better for worse. FACTORS that are obvious: Soldier, drunk/hammered (soju...?), 19 y/o, and incident with a WOMAN. You know almost all the stupid incidents (stealing buses while drunk, stabbings, naked in street and dead, raping or not raping occur by someone 24 and under 98% of the time. Pulling down pants in train and whacking off, etc were committed by our nations finest (or whatever you want to call them). I just get tired of this endless cycle of idiots that tarnish the image of the USA. MASS Inprocessing should consist of a PPT of all 100% gulity asswipes and their offenses. Then people will know if they act like a jackass, their actions will be public knowledge for YEARS to come. Justice isnt perfect here but I dont see rampent drugs in the streets and people getting shot here everyday like in the states. Its a mixed bag and you take the good with the bad. There has to be a better way to control this inmature soldiers who continue to blemish the image of the USA. Its a PR game here and maybe the miltary doesnt committ alot of crime but still this type of behavior isnt acceptable and only feeds the anti-american sentiment. Implimenting a PASS for under 25 and stopping curfew for those over 25 would work better than what they have in place now but it takes someone with courage to make a change because some are more interesting in their next promotion than whats good for morale and makes sense. Point taken on mobs/lies but your bumped and fell theory is lame. I'll go with past trends...stupid is as stupid does. "S" should buy his way out of it, if not he will do 6 months. Geranimo did 4 years...what did you have to say back then???? Why should a total stranger (woman 34 y/o) lie. Nothing has pointed to them knowing each other so far and that is a big age gap. Honestly I just get tired of SSDD. Leadership needs to change and be creative about a solution stop off post/base crimes. John GI…

We all know life isnt fair (and my spelling is horrible) but you take the good with the bad when you hang out in the ROK. As far as your post above (rape case released), a good lawyer goes a long way in this country. Guilty people do get off (and vice versa) but in the end, their version of justice is served for better for worse. FACTORS that are obvious: Soldier, drunk/hammered (soju…?), 19 y/o, and incident with a WOMAN. You know almost all the stupid incidents (stealing buses while drunk, stabbings, naked in street and dead, raping or not raping occur by someone 24 and under 98% of the time. Pulling down pants in train and whacking off, etc were committed by our nations finest (or whatever you want to call them). I just get tired of this endless cycle of idiots that tarnish the image of the USA. MASS Inprocessing should consist of a PPT of all 100% gulity asswipes and their offenses. Then people will know if they act like a jackass, their actions will be public knowledge for YEARS to come.

Justice isnt perfect here but I dont see rampent drugs in the streets and people getting shot here everyday like in the states. Its a mixed bag and you take the good with the bad.

There has to be a better way to control this inmature soldiers who continue to blemish the image of the USA. Its a PR game here and maybe the miltary doesnt committ alot of crime but still this type of behavior isnt acceptable and only feeds the anti-american sentiment.

Implimenting a PASS for under 25 and stopping curfew for those over 25 would work better than what they have in place now but it takes someone with courage to make a change because some are more interesting in their next promotion than whats good for morale and makes sense.

Point taken on mobs/lies but your bumped and fell theory is lame. I'll go with past trends…stupid is as stupid does.

"S" should buy his way out of it, if not he will do 6 months. Geranimo did 4 years…what did you have to say back then???? Why should a total stranger (woman 34 y/o) lie. Nothing has pointed to them knowing each other so far and that is a big age gap. Honestly I just get tired of SSDD. Leadership needs to change and be creative about a solution stop off post/base crimes.

John

]]> By: GI Korea http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/comment-page-1/#comment-177976 GI Korea Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:23:36 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-177976 @21 & 22, the first mistake you all are making is believing a Hankyoreh article. The second mistake you all are making is by believing that Koreans won't lie to implicate a GI. Let me educate you: <a href="http://rokdrop.com/2007/04/15/you-can-expect-a-fair-trail-in-korea-sort-of/" rel="nofollow">http://rokdrop.com/2007/04/15/you-can-expect-a-fa...</a> <a href="http://rokdrop.com/2008/01/16/policewoman-rape-case-gis-released/" rel="nofollow">http://rokdrop.com/2008/01/16/policewoman-rape-ca...</a> Even a leading Korean journalists admits he's from "A Country of Liars": <a href="http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200507/200507030027.html" rel="nofollow">http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/20050...</a> That is why I have always stated that you wait until an investigation is completed because the Korean media especially the Hankyoreh hardly ever gets the facts right. @21 & 22, the first mistake you all are making is believing a Hankyoreh article. The second mistake you all are making is by believing that Koreans won't lie to implicate a GI. Let me educate you:

http://rokdrop.com/2007/04/15/you-can-expect-a-fa…

http://rokdrop.com/2008/01/16/policewoman-rape-ca…

Even a leading Korean journalists admits he's from "A Country of Liars":

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/20050…

That is why I have always stated that you wait until an investigation is completed because the Korean media especially the Hankyoreh hardly ever gets the facts right.

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