Comments on: US Soldier “Rapes” Woman In Dongducheon http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/ Serving on the Forgotten Frontier Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:14:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: The Lion http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-179582 The Lion Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:19:38 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-179582 Hey GI I would like to do some writing for the site if that is at all possible. Let me know if that would be ok and we can contact each other. Hey GI I would like to do some writing for the site if that is at all possible. Let me know if that would be ok and we can contact each other.

]]> By: shattered http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-179237 shattered Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:31:15 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-179237 [DELETED FOR PERSONAL ATTACK] Note that anymore personal attacks will lead you to being banned. You can disagree with someone but you don’t need to launch personal attacks against them. [DELETED FOR PERSONAL ATTACK] Note that anymore personal attacks will lead you to being banned. You can disagree with someone but you don’t need to launch personal attacks against them.

]]> By: The Lion http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-179160 The Lion Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:35:26 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-179160 Did you guys not read my post. I lived with the guy for christs sake. Im not trying to make exscuses for the guy I'm just giving what facts I can. Did you guys not read my post. I lived with the guy for christs sake. Im not trying to make exscuses for the guy I’m just giving what facts I can.

]]> By: john http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-178166 john Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:06:01 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-178166 GI... We all know life isnt fair (and my spelling is horrible) but you take the good with the bad when you hang out in the ROK. As far as your post above (rape case released), a good lawyer goes a long way in this country. Guilty people do get off (and vice versa) but in the end, their version of justice is served for better for worse. FACTORS that are obvious: Soldier, drunk/hammered (soju...?), 19 y/o, and incident with a WOMAN. You know almost all the stupid incidents (stealing buses while drunk, stabbings, naked in street and dead, raping or not raping occur by someone 24 and under 98% of the time. Pulling down pants in train and whacking off, etc were committed by our nations finest (or whatever you want to call them). I just get tired of this endless cycle of idiots that tarnish the image of the USA. MASS Inprocessing should consist of a PPT of all 100% gulity asswipes and their offenses. Then people will know if they act like a jackass, their actions will be public knowledge for YEARS to come. Justice isnt perfect here but I dont see rampent drugs in the streets and people getting shot here everyday like in the states. Its a mixed bag and you take the good with the bad. There has to be a better way to control this inmature soldiers who continue to blemish the image of the USA. Its a PR game here and maybe the miltary doesnt committ alot of crime but still this type of behavior isnt acceptable and only feeds the anti-american sentiment. Implimenting a PASS for under 25 and stopping curfew for those over 25 would work better than what they have in place now but it takes someone with courage to make a change because some are more interesting in their next promotion than whats good for morale and makes sense. Point taken on mobs/lies but your bumped and fell theory is lame. I'll go with past trends...stupid is as stupid does. "S" should buy his way out of it, if not he will do 6 months. Geranimo did 4 years...what did you have to say back then???? Why should a total stranger (woman 34 y/o) lie. Nothing has pointed to them knowing each other so far and that is a big age gap. Honestly I just get tired of SSDD. Leadership needs to change and be creative about a solution stop off post/base crimes. John GI…
We all know life isnt fair (and my spelling is horrible) but you take the good with the bad when you hang out in the ROK. As far as your post above (rape case released), a good lawyer goes a long way in this country. Guilty people do get off (and vice versa) but in the end, their version of justice is served for better for worse. FACTORS that are obvious: Soldier, drunk/hammered (soju…?), 19 y/o, and incident with a WOMAN. You know almost all the stupid incidents (stealing buses while drunk, stabbings, naked in street and dead, raping or not raping occur by someone 24 and under 98% of the time. Pulling down pants in train and whacking off, etc were committed by our nations finest (or whatever you want to call them). I just get tired of this endless cycle of idiots that tarnish the image of the USA. MASS Inprocessing should consist of a PPT of all 100% gulity asswipes and their offenses. Then people will know if they act like a jackass, their actions will be public knowledge for YEARS to come.

Justice isnt perfect here but I dont see rampent drugs in the streets and people getting shot here everyday like in the states. Its a mixed bag and you take the good with the bad.

There has to be a better way to control this inmature soldiers who continue to blemish the image of the USA. Its a PR game here and maybe the miltary doesnt committ alot of crime but still this type of behavior isnt acceptable and only feeds the anti-american sentiment.

Implimenting a PASS for under 25 and stopping curfew for those over 25 would work better than what they have in place now but it takes someone with courage to make a change because some are more interesting in their next promotion than whats good for morale and makes sense.

Point taken on mobs/lies but your bumped and fell theory is lame. I’ll go with past trends…stupid is as stupid does.

“S” should buy his way out of it, if not he will do 6 months. Geranimo did 4 years…what did you have to say back then???? Why should a total stranger (woman 34 y/o) lie. Nothing has pointed to them knowing each other so far and that is a big age gap. Honestly I just get tired of SSDD. Leadership needs to change and be creative about a solution stop off post/base crimes.

John

]]> By: GI Korea http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-177976 GI Korea Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:23:36 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-177976 @21 & 22, the first mistake you all are making is believing a Hankyoreh article. The second mistake you all are making is by believing that Koreans won't lie to implicate a GI. Let me educate you: http://rokdrop.com/2007/04/15/you-can-expect-a-fair-trail-in-korea-sort-of/ http://rokdrop.com/2008/01/16/policewoman-rape-case-gis-released/ Even a leading Korean journalists admits he's from "A Country of Liars": http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200507/200507030027.html That is why I have always stated that you wait until an investigation is completed because the Korean media especially the Hankyoreh hardly ever gets the facts right. @21 & 22, the first mistake you all are making is believing a Hankyoreh article. The second mistake you all are making is by believing that Koreans won’t lie to implicate a GI. Let me educate you:

http://rokdrop.com/2007/04/15/you-can-expect-a-fair-trail-in-korea-sort-of/

http://rokdrop.com/2008/01/16/policewoman-rape-case-gis-released/

Even a leading Korean journalists admits he’s from “A Country of Liars”:

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200507/200507030027.html

That is why I have always stated that you wait until an investigation is completed because the Korean media especially the Hankyoreh hardly ever gets the facts right.

]]> By: JW http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-177924 JW Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:04:20 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-177924 GI Korea, You seem very sure that the solider was not attempting to rape her so, where is the evidence that he didnt? Also, you are coming up with a pretty weak story - he knocked down a woman and tried to help her up and she screamed and then people came over and said that he was trying to rape her? or maybe it happened the way the passerbys/actual witnesses said it did. Sorry, but I tend to believe witnesses over speculation. -JW- GI Korea,
You seem very sure that the solider was not attempting to rape her so, where is the evidence that he didnt? Also, you are coming up with a pretty weak story - he knocked down a woman and tried to help her up and she screamed and then people came over and said that he was trying to rape her? or maybe it happened the way the passerbys/actual witnesses said it did. Sorry, but I tend to believe witnesses over speculation.

-JW-

]]> By: John http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-177915 John Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:16:50 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-177915 GI... I have been in Korea 8 years and seen it all. I had a really good Korean friend who told me the 2 School Girls were ran over on purpose...I told him to pull his head outta his ass. I have read about all this incidents...Stabbings, naked soldier who get medal after being drunk and dead in street, hoestly if your objective and look at the facts, 9 times outta 10 your gonna be spot on. S our 19 y/o underange drinking soldier in Area I, the assignment of thugs had raging hormones. Being away from home and in a foreign country he and his buddies think they are the shit and all dat. After slamming back soju with his buds and pouring several down the throat of a philly-juice he proceeds to walk home with any empty wallet. He sees a decent piece of ass and decides hes a modern life caveman and its time to take matters in his own hand. Honestly, you think his just bumped into a WOMAN and then accidently DRAGGED her. Oh officer sorry "I WAS DRUNK" is the standard line they all pull off their battle buddy card. The sad part is this 19 y/o will be get it from the Koreans and then from the military. Underaged drinking (Art 15) and then whatever else they want to stick him with. He could have gotten a gal in Hongdae from free or paid for it somewhere else. How many times have you read about a female member who decides days or weeks later it was rape. All this shit plays out like a bad novel and its over and over and over. I have no proof as I was not there but after a while you get a feel for whos telling the truth and whos not. Its sad that a 19 y/o f-ed up his life in a matter of minutes but stupid people do stupid things. USFK should restrict anyone under 25 to on post unless they show they are mature enough to be a responsible adult. You know the stats back me up. Both of us will see it play out. He goes free, pays a fine, or does time. Even if he walks, USFK will give him an Art 15. Good thing hes not in the states or he would be a felon for sure. 6 months jail unless he buys his way out... GI…

I have been in Korea 8 years and seen it all. I had a really good Korean friend who told me the 2 School Girls were ran over on purpose…I told him to pull his head outta his ass. I have read about all this incidents…Stabbings, naked soldier who get medal after being drunk and dead in street, hoestly if your objective and look at the facts, 9 times outta 10 your gonna be spot on.

S our 19 y/o underange drinking soldier in Area I, the assignment of thugs had raging hormones. Being away from home and in a foreign country he and his buddies think they are the shit and all dat. After slamming back soju with his buds and pouring several down the throat of a philly-juice he proceeds to walk home with any empty wallet. He sees a decent piece of ass and decides hes a modern life caveman and its time to take matters in his own hand.

Honestly, you think his just bumped into a WOMAN and then accidently DRAGGED her. Oh officer sorry “I WAS DRUNK” is the standard line they all pull off their battle buddy card.

The sad part is this 19 y/o will be get it from the Koreans and then from the military. Underaged drinking (Art 15) and then whatever else they want to stick him with. He could have gotten a gal in Hongdae from free or paid for it somewhere else. How many times have you read about a female member who decides days or weeks later it was rape. All this shit plays out like a bad novel and its over and over and over.

I have no proof as I was not there but after a while you get a feel for whos telling the truth and whos not.

Its sad that a 19 y/o f-ed up his life in a matter of minutes but stupid people do stupid things. USFK should restrict anyone under 25 to on post unless they show they are mature enough to be a responsible adult. You know the stats back me up.

Both of us will see it play out. He goes free, pays a fine, or does time. Even if he walks, USFK will give him an Art 15. Good thing hes not in the states or he would be a felon for sure.

6 months jail unless he buys his way out…

]]> By: GI Korea http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-177835 GI Korea Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:00:06 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-177835 John where is your evidence this soldier tried to rape her? I sure would like to see it because you seem so sure of yourself. John where is your evidence this soldier tried to rape her? I sure would like to see it because you seem so sure of yourself.

]]> By: John http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-177646 John Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:55:13 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-177646 You guys are pathetic if you ask me. Rationalizing away an atempted rape. Lets pull one form the solders playbook ...#1 I was too drunk. Pardon me but when Geranimo Rameriez raped a 67 y/o grandmother THREE times, what excuses were you guys making then? Its quite apparent this 19 y/o soldier was hammered and assualted an innocent woman, korean or otherwise. If it was your wife, sister, or daughter I am 200% sure you would be singing another tune. He would have raped her given more time and no bystanders. Dragging a women by her clothes in not bumping into her. A quick grope by a drunk adjushi isnt OK but its not cavemen raping either. Unless this kid buys his way out he will see jail time (6 months - 1 year). If this was the states he would do a lot harder time. Stop making excuses for military members who think they can do as they please. Several times in the past military folks have been in the wrong place at the wrong time but this is clearly not the case. Stop making excuses for behavior that is unacceptable in any country. John You guys are pathetic if you ask me. Rationalizing away an atempted rape. Lets pull one form the solders playbook …#1 I was too drunk. Pardon me but when Geranimo Rameriez raped a 67 y/o grandmother THREE times, what excuses were you guys making then?

Its quite apparent this 19 y/o soldier was hammered and assualted an innocent woman, korean or otherwise. If it was your wife, sister, or daughter I am 200% sure you would be singing another tune. He would have raped her given more time and no bystanders. Dragging a women by her clothes in not bumping into her. A quick grope by a drunk adjushi isnt OK but its not cavemen raping either.

Unless this kid buys his way out he will see jail time (6 months - 1 year). If this was the states he would do a lot harder time. Stop making excuses for military members who think they can do as they please.

Several times in the past military folks have been in the wrong place at the wrong time but this is clearly not the case. Stop making excuses for behavior that is unacceptable in any country.

John

]]> By: The Lion http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-177444 The Lion Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:32:54 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/2008/07/10/us-soldier-rapes-woman-in-dongducheon/#comment-177444 Wow ya know what really sucks is that the guy is really just an unlucky idiot. Now I wont say and I cant say who I am but well thats really the truth of the whole incident. So far 2ID hasnt been locked down or anything so Im not really sure how far this will go though. The guy would never "rape" anyone. I dont care how drunk he gets. Ive seen him tell off a few people way out of his pay grade but thats about as bad as he gets. The only reason I think he should be punished is b/c he needs to learn his lesson about drinking way to much. Wow ya know what really sucks is that the guy is really just an unlucky idiot. Now I wont say and I cant say who I am but well thats really the truth of the whole incident. So far 2ID hasnt been locked down or anything so Im not really sure how far this will go though. The guy would never “rape” anyone. I dont care how drunk he gets. Ive seen him tell off a few people way out of his pay grade but thats about as bad as he gets. The only reason I think he should be punished is b/c he needs to learn his lesson about drinking way to much.

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