Only in Korea would people actually believe this map shows the location of Dokdo:
Another old Japanese map that clearly identifies the Dokdo islets as belonging to Korea has recently come to light. The map, shown to the Chosun Ilbo on Tuesday by Moh Gyung-guk, a Korean map collector, is named “Chosenkokuzu (Country Map of Korea).”
The printed map measuring 31.5 ? by 26.5 ? places the East at the top. It shows an island named “Jakreung” to the east of the Korean Peninsula and another island named “Jasando,” or Jasan Island, north of Jakreung.
Lee Sang-tae, a professor of graduate studies at Korea International Culture University and expert on ancient maps, said the name “Jakreung” is clearly a mis-spelling of “Ulleung” — a confusion between two similar-looking Chinese characters, ?(“jak”) and ?(“ul”). “The name ‘Jasan’ was one of many nicknames of Dokdo including ‘Usan Island’ at the time,” he said. [Chosun Ilbo]
First of all the physical location on the map is no where near where Dokdo should be. Secondly how would a map maker confuse Dokdo being above Ulleongdo instead of southeast of it? Finally how would the map maker confuse Dokdo as being bigger then Ulleongdo?
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8:55 am on July 18th, 2008 1
“…the physical location on the map is no where near where Dokdo should be. Secondly how would a map maker confuse Dokdo being above Ulleongdo…”
I am certain it is due to a special circumstance that we can not fathom. You must take these special circumstances into account when trying to understand important Korean issues, you dumbass waegook. One thing I am certain of, Dokdo has four distinct seasons, therefore it is special. We can’t just give that away to the Nips!
9:43 am on July 18th, 2008 2
There is no dispute. Dokdo is Korean, you see.
10:44 am on July 18th, 2008 3
Gerry Bevers has done an outstanding job of repeatedly saying the same thing about their maps — over and over and over. And your comments @1 and @2 have been parroted by the Koreans — over and over and over.
The Koreans have been suckered into a false sense of security by these charlatons posing as “experts” and the media unfortunately is abetting in this charade. For an educated people, it is sad to see this happen.
12:00 pm on July 18th, 2008 4
Kalani that point I am also trying to make that it is sad to see people falling for these false maps. I believe Dokdo is Korean territory but the false maps ultimately degrades Korea’s argument that it is in fact Korean territory because it makes it appear they have to lie to support their claim.
1:12 pm on July 18th, 2008 5
“Lee Sang-tae, a professor of graduate studies at Korea International Culture University and expert on ancient maps, said the name “Jakreung” is clearly a mis-spelling of “Ulleung” — a confusion between two similar-looking Chinese characters”
So much for intellectual honesty, intelligence, integrity, ethics and objectivity of Korean professors. What a clown. Its a shame that Korean universities are so full of these losers.
1:20 pm on July 18th, 2008 6
Another brillian Koraen move.
Seoul ‘Could Leave Tokyo in the Cold at Six-Party Talks’ -Chosun ilbo
At the end of the day, everyone who understands korea knows that the Korans will demand that Japan pay north Korea money (along with the USA).
so this is good news.
“Japan is refusing to pay for energy aid to the North unless the abduction issue is resolved, and South Korea has been sympathetic. But this is likely to change. “It seems the Japanese people are very worried about that possibility,” Kwon said.”
I hope the dummy koreans will make the Liancourt rocks more important of an issue then North Korea. The world will laugh at the silly little Koreans.
2:22 pm on July 18th, 2008 7
I can already see it coming …
Thousands of Koreans protesting in the streets …
Waiving signs that say “We love the Jasando map!”
10:06 pm on August 23rd, 2008 8
How about this map?
http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/dokdo-takeshima-incident.html
Or this one?
http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/dokdo-professor-hosaka.html
9:25 am on August 24th, 2008 9
The 2nd map is actually quite good but I think you are missing the point of the posting. Koreans consistently show these maps they claim is Dokdo that to the average person looking at like with this map above it is clearly not Dokdo. Then you have the fact the Dokdo Museum on Ulleongdo had forged maps on display. None of this helps Korea’s case. If they stuck to maps like you linked to (if they are legitimate) this would help their cause better then a map like the one you see above.
2:08 pm on August 24th, 2008 10
The problem is, these are JAPANESE maps. So it still makes logical sense that Japan at the time mistakenly thought the rocks belonged to Korea, then after further survey found out that the rocks were no man’s land and decided to incorporate them. Why Korea can’t come up with a single decent map of their own beats me. The same old filler used by Steve Barber doesn’t really cut it, because Japan’s expansionist policy won’t mean anything if the rocks were indeed nobody’s. Just come up with a good Korean map, and it’ll settle everything once and for all.
11:50 pm on August 24th, 2008 11
I disagree Mr Squatch.
The issue here is the territorial perceptions here to determine historical ownership of Dokdo. A Japanese document showing Korean ownership is as good as any Korean map that shows the same, in the search for truth. So you say it’s a “problem” the maps are Japanse but it’s only a problem for Japan because it destroys their claim
Your claim that clear historical records are “filler” implies you choose to ignore the truth.
It’s not fair put the onus on Koreans to prove ownership of Dokdo via their maps. The Korean cartographers were at least 150-200 years behind their Japanese counterparts. I think the first Korean map using lines of latitude and longitude was from 1899 and this map was a combination of an ancient 1711 Chosun map of Ulleungdo and a modern Japanese chart.
We know the Koreans were cognizant of Dokdo before the Japanese annexed the islets in 1905. Even as early as 1693 Koreans recorded Dokdo.
Squatch, Japanese perceptions of Dokdo varied with their government. The first map above was from 1837. This was from the Edo Era that predates the expansionist Meiji Era. It shows, not only did the Japanese Shogunate ban travel to Ulleungdo but also ?? (Matsushima-Dokdo) as well.
We also know the Koreans voyaged to Japan and declared both Takeshima (??-Ulleungdo) and Matushima (??) as part of Korea’s Gangwando (???) Province. From Anyongbok’s claim, Japan raised no objection at all.
See the original record.
http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/anyongbok-doc15.jpg
After Korea’s dispute over Ulleungdo, Japan’s Shogunate inquired Shimane Prefecture if indeed Ulleungdo (Takeshima) and Dokdo (Matsushima) were part of Japan, The answer was a firm “no” This effectively kills Japanese assertion of Japanese sovereignty during the 17th Century and beyond.
http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/dokdo-tottori.html
Korea has something Japan doesn’t. That is clear historical documents that prove their valid possession of the islets. These days the Japanese have attempted to ignore these records and attack Korea’s title but as long as Japan’s own records show the islands as Korean, the Japans MOFA is fighting a losing battle.