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		<title>By: Korea Times Sponsors Dokdo Contest for Foreigners</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2008/08/19/more-dokdo-stuff-from-the-korea-times/comment-page-1/#comment-223957</link>
		<dc:creator>Korea Times Sponsors Dokdo Contest for Foreigners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It seems like the Korea Times just loves having foreigners right in about Dokdo. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: dokdo-takeshima.com</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2008/08/19/more-dokdo-stuff-from-the-korea-times/comment-page-1/#comment-199972</link>
		<dc:creator>dokdo-takeshima.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G.I. Korea. 
 
The Japanese have nothing to blubber about. Listening to Shimane cry the blues about not having enough ocean to fish makes me wanna hurl.  
 
Japan is the 2nd richest nation in the world. Japan has the 5th largest EEZ in the world that totals 4,500,000 square kilometers and yet they are trying to nickel and dime their way westward to Ulleungdo Island, indisputably Korean land since the 6th Century, and Dokdo&#039;s most proximal land. Korea&#039;s EEZ amounts to a mere 300,000 square kms even much less than Japan claims around tiny Marcus Island. 
 
The most surprising thing to me is that none of the Koreans have ever pointed out to Japan that the current boundary enforced by the ROK is quite fair when we look at the distance from nearest Korean and Japanese adjacent islands and landfalls.  
 
Check this map.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/12-mile-limit.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/12-mile-limit.gif&lt;/a&gt;  
 
And then see this page.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/dokdo-not-japanese-1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/dokdo-not-japanese...&lt;/a&gt;  
 
ICJ ? No way. No leader in their right mind would allow any foreign organization step in and define her territorial limits. Korea&#039;s been down that road twice, never again. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G.I. Korea.</p>
<p>The Japanese have nothing to blubber about. Listening to Shimane cry the blues about not having enough ocean to fish makes me wanna hurl. </p>
<p>Japan is the 2nd richest nation in the world. Japan has the 5th largest EEZ in the world that totals 4,500,000 square kilometers and yet they are trying to nickel and dime their way westward to Ulleungdo Island, indisputably Korean land since the 6th Century, and Dokdo&#039;s most proximal land. Korea&#039;s EEZ amounts to a mere 300,000 square kms even much less than Japan claims around tiny Marcus Island.</p>
<p>The most surprising thing to me is that none of the Koreans have ever pointed out to Japan that the current boundary enforced by the ROK is quite fair when we look at the distance from nearest Korean and Japanese adjacent islands and landfalls. </p>
<p>Check this map.<br />
  <a href="http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/12-mile-limit.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/12-mile-limit.gif</a>  </p>
<p>And then see this page.<br />
  <a href="http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/dokdo-not-japanese-1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/dokdo-not-japanese&#8230;</a>  </p>
<p>ICJ ? No way. No leader in their right mind would allow any foreign organization step in and define her territorial limits. Korea&#039;s been down that road twice, never again.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Yu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr.Yu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flat Knacker 
As before&#8230; 
The blog post was relating to Korea, Japan, and Dokdo/Takeshima, and there is no relevance to Hwang Woo Suk. 
This is off-topic. 
Do I need to do this again?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flat Knacker</p>
<p>As before&hellip;</p>
<p>The blog post was relating to Korea, Japan, and Dokdo/Takeshima, and there is no relevance to Hwang Woo Suk.</p>
<p>This is off-topic.</p>
<p>Do I need to do this again?  <img src='http://rokdrop.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://rokdrop.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://rokdrop.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Flat Knacker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flat Knacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Yu. 
As before... 
The blog post was relating to Korea, Japan, and Dokdo/Takeshima, and there is no relevance to Diaoyu/Senkaku or China. 
This is off-topic. 
 
Do I need to do this again? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Yu.</p>
<p>As before&#8230;</p>
<p>The blog post was relating to Korea, Japan, and Dokdo/Takeshima, and there is no relevance to Diaoyu/Senkaku or China.</p>
<p>This is off-topic.</p>
<p>Do I need to do this again?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Yu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr.Yu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is off topic, but it gives an idea of why Koreans get emotional on any Japanese provocation.

Nose Grave, Offspring of Ferocity and Brutality of Japanese.

In Kyoto, the old capital of Japan, there is a large domed grave called &quot;Mimizuka&quot; (ear grave).

It is a historical evidence of the past crimes of Japanese invaders whose ferocity and brutality were their physical quality.

In June 1597 during the Imjin Patriotic War (1592-1598), with the war protracted and the Japanese invaders stranded in the southern area of Kyongsang Province, in face of the stubborn resistance of the Korean people, Hideyoshi Toyotomi, the ringleader of Japan, issued the following order:

Cut the noses of Koreans instead of their heads as a man has two ears and one nose. A soldier is allowed to capture Koreans after collecting one sho of noses.

On this order, a naval unit of Japan slaughtered tens of thousands of Koreans in 10-odd days, while the boss of the unit, Wakizaga, killed more than 2,000 people single-handed and cut their noses, boasting his &quot;excellent performance.&quot;

Privates also killed Koreans right and left, irrespective of sex, to render &quot;military services&quot;. They murdered even babies and cut off their noses.

Toyotomi nominated seven nose-collecting officers and dispatched them to Korea. They issued a note of confirmation. To cite one example: &quot;3,487 noses in total taken over.&quot;

After the noses were salted and packed in big wooden barrels, pots and straw bags by 1,000-3,800, they were carried to Nagoya by sea and then to Osaka. They were reloaded to horse or ox carts and carried to Kyoto through a highway.

Toyotomi gave instructions to drag out villagers and make them welcome the carts along the road, lauding the &quot;military achievements,&quot; and bury the noses in the &quot;nose grave&quot; after checking and confirming them. In this way 185,738 noses of Koreans were buried in the grave.

In the later period, the Japanese rulers renamed the &quot;nose grave&quot; &quot;ear grave&quot;, trying to throw the ferocity and brutality of the Japanese into oblivion.
   
However, the &quot;nose grave&quot;, without a parallel in the history of aggression, tells that the Japanese invaders were the most brutal man-slaughters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is off topic, but it gives an idea of why Koreans get emotional on any Japanese provocation.</p>
<p>Nose Grave, Offspring of Ferocity and Brutality of Japanese.</p>
<p>In Kyoto, the old capital of Japan, there is a large domed grave called &#8220;Mimizuka&#8221; (ear grave).</p>
<p>It is a historical evidence of the past crimes of Japanese invaders whose ferocity and brutality were their physical quality.</p>
<p>In June 1597 during the Imjin Patriotic War (1592-1598), with the war protracted and the Japanese invaders stranded in the southern area of Kyongsang Province, in face of the stubborn resistance of the Korean people, Hideyoshi Toyotomi, the ringleader of Japan, issued the following order:</p>
<p>Cut the noses of Koreans instead of their heads as a man has two ears and one nose. A soldier is allowed to capture Koreans after collecting one sho of noses.</p>
<p>On this order, a naval unit of Japan slaughtered tens of thousands of Koreans in 10-odd days, while the boss of the unit, Wakizaga, killed more than 2,000 people single-handed and cut their noses, boasting his &#8220;excellent performance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Privates also killed Koreans right and left, irrespective of sex, to render &#8220;military services&#8221;. They murdered even babies and cut off their noses.</p>
<p>Toyotomi nominated seven nose-collecting officers and dispatched them to Korea. They issued a note of confirmation. To cite one example: &#8220;3,487 noses in total taken over.&#8221;</p>
<p>After the noses were salted and packed in big wooden barrels, pots and straw bags by 1,000-3,800, they were carried to Nagoya by sea and then to Osaka. They were reloaded to horse or ox carts and carried to Kyoto through a highway.</p>
<p>Toyotomi gave instructions to drag out villagers and make them welcome the carts along the road, lauding the &#8220;military achievements,&#8221; and bury the noses in the &#8220;nose grave&#8221; after checking and confirming them. In this way 185,738 noses of Koreans were buried in the grave.</p>
<p>In the later period, the Japanese rulers renamed the &#8220;nose grave&#8221; &#8220;ear grave&#8221;, trying to throw the ferocity and brutality of the Japanese into oblivion.</p>
<p>However, the &#8220;nose grave&#8221;, without a parallel in the history of aggression, tells that the Japanese invaders were the most brutal man-slaughters.</p>
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		<title>By: Flat Knacker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flat Knacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6...
&quot;of course Japan wants to go to the ICJ. Otherwise they can’t ever get Dokdo, so they have nothing to lose. Korea would stand to gain nothing but lose territory by taking that option.&quot;

Well noted... Japan prefers to go to the ICJ, rather than have a military showdown, which is against their constitution. Send troops to the rocks (as Koreas did in the &#039;50s) is &#039;gun-boat diplomacy&#039;, and not in the interests of peace in the region.

Of course you missed the point of my comment and the posting.
If Kores has its facts correct, its history documented and accurate, then there is no chance for them to lose.
BUT to not go to the ICJ cast doubts over Korea&#039;s case.
If Korea fears losing in arbitration, then they must be worried about the validity of thier case. 
Let it stand the test of independant scrutiny.

Or are you worried of a repeat of other fakery...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwang_Woo-Suk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6&#8230;<br />
&#8220;of course Japan wants to go to the ICJ. Otherwise they can’t ever get Dokdo, so they have nothing to lose. Korea would stand to gain nothing but lose territory by taking that option.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well noted&#8230; Japan prefers to go to the ICJ, rather than have a military showdown, which is against their constitution. Send troops to the rocks (as Koreas did in the &#8217;50s) is &#8216;gun-boat diplomacy&#8217;, and not in the interests of peace in the region.</p>
<p>Of course you missed the point of my comment and the posting.<br />
If Kores has its facts correct, its history documented and accurate, then there is no chance for them to lose.<br />
BUT to not go to the ICJ cast doubts over Korea&#8217;s case.<br />
If Korea fears losing in arbitration, then they must be worried about the validity of thier case.<br />
Let it stand the test of independant scrutiny.</p>
<p>Or are you worried of a repeat of other fakery&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwang_Woo-Suk" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwang_Woo-Suk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Yu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr.Yu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Only arbitration (by an independant body) based on fact, historical record, and science can resolve this. Emotion is not any of the above.&quot; 
Excelent argument. Japan now has the right argument to win the Diaoyu Island dispute in the ICJ. Good luck. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Only arbitration (by an independant body) based on fact, historical record, and science can resolve this. Emotion is not any of the above.&quot;</p>
<p>Excelent argument. Japan now has the right argument to win the Diaoyu Island dispute in the ICJ. Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: King Baeksu</title>
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		<dc:creator>King Baeksu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I vote for Kim Jong-il droppin&#039; a couple of Taep&#039;odong-2&#039;s on them bad boys. </description>
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		<title>By: Flat Knacker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flat Knacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dr. Yu&quot;. 
Thanks for your insight.Please note the blog post was relating to Korea, Japan, and Dokdo/Takeshima. 
There is no relevance to your assertions about Diaoyu Island/Senkaku Islands or China. 
This is off-topic. 
 
I am also with &quot;Shattered&quot; on this... if &#039;actual possession of the island&#039; (or any other land) is the rule by which the world was governed, then there would be many wars. 
 
No... this is not an acceptable position. 
Only arbitration (by an independant body) based on fact, historical record, and science can resolve this. Emotion is not any of the above. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Dr. Yu&quot;.</p>
<p>Thanks for your insight.Please note the blog post was relating to Korea, Japan, and Dokdo/Takeshima.</p>
<p>There is no relevance to your assertions about Diaoyu Island/Senkaku Islands or China.</p>
<p>This is off-topic.</p>
<p>I am also with &quot;Shattered&quot; on this&#8230; if &#039;actual possession of the island&#039; (or any other land) is the rule by which the world was governed, then there would be many wars.</p>
<p>No&#8230; this is not an acceptable position.</p>
<p>Only arbitration (by an independant body) based on fact, historical record, and science can resolve this. Emotion is not any of the above.</p>
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		<title>By: shattered</title>
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		<dc:creator>shattered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;most effective argument they have to win the case would be the actual possession of the island&quot; 
 
Korean logic  :lol: If possession=legal owner, then why do Koreans whine about Japans &quot;illegial&quot; occupation of Korea. Japan possessed her, so it was legal.  :lol:  
 
Silly Korean logic. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;most effective argument they have to win the case would be the actual possession of the island&quot;</p>
<p>Korean logic  <img src='http://rokdrop.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />  If possession=legal owner, then why do Koreans whine about Japans &quot;illegial&quot; occupation of Korea. Japan possessed her, so it was legal.  <img src='http://rokdrop.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Silly Korean logic.</p>
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