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	<title>Comments on: Congressional Report: Camp Humphreys Relocation to Be Delayed Until 2016</title>
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		<title>By: USFK Relocation to Be Delayed Until 2019</title>
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		<dc:creator>USFK Relocation to Be Delayed Until 2019</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] then the delays have only increased with the latest delay being 2016 and now the Korean government wants to spend even less money for the maintenance of the US-ROK [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Support Rises for US Troop Presence in Korea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Support Rises for US Troop Presence in Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You can put me in the gradual withdrawal category because as I have written about before, immediate withdrawal is not going to happen for a variety of reasons.  If the Korean public wants a gradual withdrawal of USFK then they can start by lobbying their politicians to push for their completion of the USFK relocation plan that the Korean government remains committed to delaying. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] You can put me in the gradual withdrawal category because as I have written about before, immediate withdrawal is not going to happen for a variety of reasons.  If the Korean public wants a gradual withdrawal of USFK then they can start by lobbying their politicians to push for their completion of the USFK relocation plan that the Korean government remains committed to delaying. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JoeC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t sure whether to put this on the Sarah Palin thread or the Camp Humphrey&#039;s thread but I don&#039;t think it matters. 
 
If you like finding obscure connections and following Alice down the rabbit hole, this may interest you. I was reading at Mudflats, an Alaskan anti-Palin blog. They had an article about the start of the trial of Senator Ted Stevens (R, Alaska) where I came across &lt;a href=&quot;http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/22/ted-stevens-trial-gears-up/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;this paragraph&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Also on the witness list are a Fairbanks strip club manager, and the underaged &#8216;coke-for-sex&#8217; former mistress of key prosecution witness, former CEO of Veco, Bill Allen. And there are all kinds of accusations about paperwork that the newly sold and renamed Veco Corp. (now CH2M Hill) refuses to turn over to the defense.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
CH2M Hill. Remember them -- the company that has lead on the Camp Humphrey&#039;s relocation. There is no implication that this new company is tainted by it&#039;s prior boss, other than withholding documents, but it will probably still bring unwelcome attention. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#039;t sure whether to put this on the Sarah Palin thread or the Camp Humphrey&#039;s thread but I don&#039;t think it matters.</p>
<p>If you like finding obscure connections and following Alice down the rabbit hole, this may interest you. I was reading at Mudflats, an Alaskan anti-Palin blog. They had an article about the start of the trial of Senator Ted Stevens (R, Alaska) where I came across <a href="http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/22/ted-stevens-trial-gears-up/" rel="nofollow"><b>this paragraph</b></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Also on the witness list are a Fairbanks strip club manager, and the underaged &lsquo;coke-for-sex&rsquo; former mistress of key prosecution witness, former CEO of Veco, Bill Allen. And there are all kinds of accusations about paperwork that the newly sold and renamed Veco Corp. (now CH2M Hill) refuses to turn over to the defense.</p></blockquote>
<p>CH2M Hill. Remember them &#8212; the company that has lead on the Camp Humphrey&#039;s relocation. There is no implication that this new company is tainted by it&#039;s prior boss, other than withholding documents, but it will probably still bring unwelcome attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Kalani</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2008/09/21/congressional-report-camp-humphreys-relocation-to-be-delayed-until-2016/comment-page-1/#comment-226260</link>
		<dc:creator>Kalani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calm Seas -- Thanks for the link.  Best condensed presentation I&#039;ve seen to date of what&#039;s happening in Guam. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calm Seas &#8212; Thanks for the link.  Best condensed presentation I&#039;ve seen to date of what&#039;s happening in Guam.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2008/09/21/congressional-report-camp-humphreys-relocation-to-be-delayed-until-2016/comment-page-1/#comment-226224</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great discussion guys.  Thanks! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion guys.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: CalmSeas</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2008/09/21/congressional-report-camp-humphreys-relocation-to-be-delayed-until-2016/comment-page-1/#comment-226181</link>
		<dc:creator>CalmSeas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you were...should read &quot;TO Guam...&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you were&#8230;should read &quot;TO Guam&#8230;&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: CalmSeas</title>
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		<dc:creator>CalmSeas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;a href=&quot;http://posts.same.org/JEETCE2007/presentations/2.3Bice.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://posts.same.org/JEETCE2007/presentations/2....&lt;/a&gt;  
 
Here are the USMC assets that will relocate from Guam...NOT 31st MEU, but III MEF Headquarters: 
 
USMC III MEF Cmd Element 
Ground Combat Element  
Aviation Combat Element 
Combat Service Support 
Plus:Transient Units Visiting USMC &amp; Allied Forces 
(New ?10,000 AD/ 9000 Dep) 
 
These are mainly headquarters elements, plus one GCE, thus leaving the majority of GCE forward deployed in Okinawa. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://posts.same.org/JEETCE2007/presentations/2.3Bice.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://posts.same.org/JEETCE2007/presentations/2&#8230;.</a>  </p>
<p>Here are the USMC assets that will relocate from Guam&#8230;NOT 31st MEU, but III MEF Headquarters:</p>
<p>USMC III MEF Cmd Element</p>
<p>Ground Combat Element </p>
<p>Aviation Combat Element</p>
<p>Combat Service Support</p>
<p>Plus:Transient Units Visiting USMC &amp; Allied Forces</p>
<p>(New ?10,000 AD/ 9000 Dep)</p>
<p>These are mainly headquarters elements, plus one GCE, thus leaving the majority of GCE forward deployed in Okinawa.</p>
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		<title>By: Kalani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kalani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerry -- Just so we are on the same page. I am stating that the Acheson LINE is what caused the Korean War, NOT the Acheson SPEECH.  
 
The Acheson LINE is actually the defense perimeter promulgated by Douglas MacArthur in Mar 1949.  It ran from the Philippines through the Ryukyu Archipelago, including Okinawa -- then through Japan and the Aleutian Island chain to Alaska.  Acheson&#039;s SPEECH in Jan 1950 just formalized the line from his position as Secretary of State.  As I said before Japan and the Phillipines were the MUST defend nations in Asia for the US -- and were on the US side of the line. However, Korea was on the outside of the line -- and from the statements of MacArthur was NOT an area that was essential to American national interests. The Occupation forces formally left the ROK in 1949 and did NOT want to return.  
 
However, I have to take back my words in my previous post that the Chinese approved the invasion first.  Supposedly Soviet spies in Britain and US were informed of the limitations of US atomic bomb stockpiles and defense program cuts.  This led Stalin to conclude that the Truman administration would not intervene in Korea. The People&#039;s Republic of China (PRC) was reluctant to support the invasion until being told that by Kim Il-sung that Josef Stalin had approved the action.  Though I have reservations that Stalin approved it first because Mao Tse-tung visited Russia for two months (Dec 49-Jan 50) and the 30-year alliance treaty was signed in Feb 1950. I have read books that state the Chinese were the first to approve Kim Il-sung&#039;s reunification plans, but I defer to the 1990s archived materials that seem to show that my assumptions were wrong.   
 
Regardless, on 25 June 1950, the DPRK invaded South Korea because the DPRK, Russia and China did NOT believe that the US would intervene in Korea -- based upon the existence of the Acheson LINE that stated that South Korea was NOT an important nation to US national interests. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerry &#8212; Just so we are on the same page. I am stating that the Acheson LINE is what caused the Korean War, NOT the Acheson SPEECH. </p>
<p>The Acheson LINE is actually the defense perimeter promulgated by Douglas MacArthur in Mar 1949.  It ran from the Philippines through the Ryukyu Archipelago, including Okinawa &#8212; then through Japan and the Aleutian Island chain to Alaska.  Acheson&#039;s SPEECH in Jan 1950 just formalized the line from his position as Secretary of State.  As I said before Japan and the Phillipines were the MUST defend nations in Asia for the US &#8212; and were on the US side of the line. However, Korea was on the outside of the line &#8212; and from the statements of MacArthur was NOT an area that was essential to American national interests. The Occupation forces formally left the ROK in 1949 and did NOT want to return. </p>
<p>However, I have to take back my words in my previous post that the Chinese approved the invasion first.  Supposedly Soviet spies in Britain and US were informed of the limitations of US atomic bomb stockpiles and defense program cuts.  This led Stalin to conclude that the Truman administration would not intervene in Korea. The People&#039;s Republic of China (PRC) was reluctant to support the invasion until being told that by Kim Il-sung that Josef Stalin had approved the action.  Though I have reservations that Stalin approved it first because Mao Tse-tung visited Russia for two months (Dec 49-Jan 50) and the 30-year alliance treaty was signed in Feb 1950. I have read books that state the Chinese were the first to approve Kim Il-sung&#039;s reunification plans, but I defer to the 1990s archived materials that seem to show that my assumptions were wrong.  </p>
<p>Regardless, on 25 June 1950, the DPRK invaded South Korea because the DPRK, Russia and China did NOT believe that the US would intervene in Korea &#8212; based upon the existence of the Acheson LINE that stated that South Korea was NOT an important nation to US national interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kalani.  Much of what you say is true, I have read the same books. But saying Achesons speech not mentioning Korea as part of the Acheson line was the &quot;cause&quot; of the Korean war is no more true than saying Chaimberlins appeasement policies in Europe &quot;caused&quot; WWII. The &quot;causes&quot; were Kim Il Song and Hitler. The misreading of American intentions may have led Stalin and Kim to believe that the US would not defend South Korea and therefore the time was ripe for attack. But it was Kim with Stalins support and approval that &quot;caused&quot; the war. Placing the &quot;cause&quot; of the war on Achesons speech is &quot;turning history on its head&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kalani.  Much of what you say is true, I have read the same books. But saying Achesons speech not mentioning Korea as part of the Acheson line was the &quot;cause&quot; of the Korean war is no more true than saying Chaimberlins appeasement policies in Europe &quot;caused&quot; WWII. The &quot;causes&quot; were Kim Il Song and Hitler. The misreading of American intentions may have led Stalin and Kim to believe that the US would not defend South Korea and therefore the time was ripe for attack. But it was Kim with Stalins support and approval that &quot;caused&quot; the war. Placing the &quot;cause&quot; of the war on Achesons speech is &quot;turning history on its head&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why don&#8217;t we wait until someone from the USFK sees the CRS report before we comment?&quot; 
 
The local news seems to be ahead of any USFK news releases.  USFK stood firm on the 2006 move date until around 200?; while the local news was reporting a delay a couple of years earlier.  USFK should apply Army Values to its PA program.  Fool me once shame on you - ......! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Why don&rsquo;t we wait until someone from the USFK sees the CRS report before we comment?&quot;</p>
<p>The local news seems to be ahead of any USFK news releases.  USFK stood firm on the 2006 move date until around 200?; while the local news was reporting a delay a couple of years earlier.  USFK should apply Army Values to its PA program.  Fool me once shame on you &#8211; &#8230;&#8230;!</p>
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