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		<title>By: susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC).  
 
Every vote would be politically relevant and equal in presidential elections.  
 
The bill would take effect only when enacted, in identical form, by states possessing a majority of the electoral votes-that is, enough electoral votes to elect a President (270 of 538). When the bill comes into effect, all the electoral votes from those states would be awarded to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC).  
 
So there would never be a tie in the electoral vote, because the compact always represents a bloc consisting of a majority of the electoral votes. Thus, an election for President would never be thrown into the House of Representatives (with each state casting one vote) and an election for Vice President would never be thrown into the Senate (with each Senator casting one vote).  
 
The National Popular Vote bill has passed 21 state legislative chambers, including one house in Arkansas, Colorado, Maine, North Carolina, and Washington, and both houses in California, Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey, Maryland, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Vermont. The bill has been enacted by Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey, and Maryland. These four states possess 50 electoral votes - 19% of the 270 necessary to bring the law into effect.  
 
See  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.NationalPopularVote.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.NationalPopularVote.com&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC). </p>
<p>Every vote would be politically relevant and equal in presidential elections. </p>
<p>The bill would take effect only when enacted, in identical form, by states possessing a majority of the electoral votes-that is, enough electoral votes to elect a President (270 of 538). When the bill comes into effect, all the electoral votes from those states would be awarded to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC). </p>
<p>So there would never be a tie in the electoral vote, because the compact always represents a bloc consisting of a majority of the electoral votes. Thus, an election for President would never be thrown into the House of Representatives (with each state casting one vote) and an election for Vice President would never be thrown into the Senate (with each Senator casting one vote). </p>
<p>The National Popular Vote bill has passed 21 state legislative chambers, including one house in Arkansas, Colorado, Maine, North Carolina, and Washington, and both houses in California, Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey, Maryland, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Vermont. The bill has been enacted by Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey, and Maryland. These four states possess 50 electoral votes &#8211; 19% of the 270 necessary to bring the law into effect. </p>
<p>See  <a href="http://www.NationalPopularVote.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.NationalPopularVote.com</a> </p>
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		<title>By: The Clam</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Clam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems just as likely as him winning... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems just as likely as him winning&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: Jon Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read that as What if McCain were to &quot;Die&quot; during the election. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read that as What if McCain were to &quot;Die&quot; during the election. </p>
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		<title>By: USinKorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>USinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree on the popular vote thing. 
 
I was probably with like mind back in 2000 until George Will pointed out the obvious:  if we had had a popular vote system in 2000, the debacle of hanging chad counting in Florida ---- would have been played out all over the country. 
 
There were significant examples of voter fraud that came out across the nation then - and with a nation the size of the US - with so many cities and rural areas - there are going to be issues on voting day - any voting day - and if we have very close elections - which is the new trend in presidential elections in the US --- and we have a popular vote - you will see legions of lawyers for both sides fanning out to get into nuke-war fights at polling booths all over the place - trying to get that handful of votes that pushes their person over the top. 
 
Look what is going on in Ohio right now -- after seeing Bush in the White House twice - they have made registering and voting as easy as it could possibly be - which means making it even easier to push voter fraud --- and &quot;non-partisan&quot; groups are out rounding up homeless people - giving them free taxi rides, food, and comfort - as well as instructions on how to fill out the forms (and vote) ----- and we all know that homeless people have a high percentage of mentally ill and/or substance abuse cases..... 
 
With the trend of closer elections, there is a lot of dirty stuff going on in the key battle ground states. 
 
If we had a popular system - with this trend of close elections - the dirt would be taking place all over the nation.... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree on the popular vote thing.</p>
<p>I was probably with like mind back in 2000 until George Will pointed out the obvious:  if we had had a popular vote system in 2000, the debacle of hanging chad counting in Florida &#8212;- would have been played out all over the country.</p>
<p>There were significant examples of voter fraud that came out across the nation then &#8211; and with a nation the size of the US &#8211; with so many cities and rural areas &#8211; there are going to be issues on voting day &#8211; any voting day &#8211; and if we have very close elections &#8211; which is the new trend in presidential elections in the US &#8212; and we have a popular vote &#8211; you will see legions of lawyers for both sides fanning out to get into nuke-war fights at polling booths all over the place &#8211; trying to get that handful of votes that pushes their person over the top.</p>
<p>Look what is going on in Ohio right now &#8212; after seeing Bush in the White House twice &#8211; they have made registering and voting as easy as it could possibly be &#8211; which means making it even easier to push voter fraud &#8212; and &quot;non-partisan&quot; groups are out rounding up homeless people &#8211; giving them free taxi rides, food, and comfort &#8211; as well as instructions on how to fill out the forms (and vote) &#8212;&#8211; and we all know that homeless people have a high percentage of mentally ill and/or substance abuse cases&#8230;..</p>
<p>With the trend of closer elections, there is a lot of dirty stuff going on in the key battle ground states.</p>
<p>If we had a popular system &#8211; with this trend of close elections &#8211; the dirt would be taking place all over the nation&#8230;. </p>
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		<title>By: The Clam</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Clam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he or anyone else thinks that Israel would be safer with Palin in charge of anything, then I would be shocked.  
 
And Palin does not have talking points. She has talking point Cliff Notes as evidenced in the debate she &quot;participated&quot; in. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he or anyone else thinks that Israel would be safer with Palin in charge of anything, then I would be shocked. </p>
<p>And Palin does not have talking points. She has talking point Cliff Notes as evidenced in the debate she &quot;participated&quot; in. </p>
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		<title>By: JoeC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@5 The Clam said: 
&quot;Lieberman would choose Palin. 
I doubt it. Even he knows better&#8230;&quot;  
 
Are you sure? Lieberman&#039;s priorities have always been to go with whoever promises to be the most supportive of Israel. Palin&#039;s talking point of &#039;never second guess Israel&#039; may put her in with Lieberman. 
 
BTW. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this 10 page article on John McCain in Rolling Stone Magazine&lt;/a&gt; may be swift-boating to some or informative to others. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@5 The Clam said:</p>
<p>&quot;Lieberman would choose Palin.</p>
<p>I doubt it. Even he knows better&hellip;&quot; </p>
<p>Are you sure? Lieberman&#039;s priorities have always been to go with whoever promises to be the most supportive of Israel. Palin&#039;s talking point of &#039;never second guess Israel&#039; may put her in with Lieberman.</p>
<p>BTW. <a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/1" rel="nofollow">this 10 page article on John McCain in Rolling Stone Magazine</a> may be swift-boating to some or informative to others. </p>
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		<title>By: The Clam</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Clam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lieberman would choose Palin.&quot; 
 
I doubt it. Even he knows better... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Lieberman would choose Palin.&quot;</p>
<p>I doubt it. Even he knows better&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: The Clam</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Clam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to 538, there&#039;s a .49% chance of this happening. And I don&#039;t want to imagine the riots and protests that would break out if something like 2000 should happen again.  
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.fivethirtyeight.com/&lt;/a&gt;  
 
Also, NE splits their EV, and it&#039;s looking like Obama will pick up the single Omaha vote. Even if the 269 split did happen, it would most likely be broken by the NE vote making it 270-268. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to 538, there&#039;s a .49% chance of this happening. And I don&#039;t want to imagine the riots and protests that would break out if something like 2000 should happen again. </p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/</a>  </p>
<p>Also, NE splits their EV, and it&#039;s looking like Obama will pick up the single Omaha vote. Even if the 269 split did happen, it would most likely be broken by the NE vote making it 270-268. </p>
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		<title>By: Jax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Constitution check ... 
 
In an electoral tie, the Congress would make their decision before the next session takes effect.  Therefore, the Senate choosing Biden in an electoral tie is not a guarantee.  With 49 Republicans, 49 Democrats, and 2 Independents (Lieberman and Sanders), Lieberman would choose Palin, while Sanders would choose Biden.  The resulting tie means that Cheney gets to pick the winner. 
 
An Obama-Palin administration? ... that would be interesting. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Constitution check &#8230;</p>
<p>In an electoral tie, the Congress would make their decision before the next session takes effect.  Therefore, the Senate choosing Biden in an electoral tie is not a guarantee.  With 49 Republicans, 49 Democrats, and 2 Independents (Lieberman and Sanders), Lieberman would choose Palin, while Sanders would choose Biden.  The resulting tie means that Cheney gets to pick the winner.</p>
<p>An Obama-Palin administration? &#8230; that would be interesting. </p>
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		<title>By: Korea Beat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Korea Beat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 10:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think in 2000 people&#039;s opinions of the electoral college had a strong tendency to coincide with which candidate they supported, and I bet that&#039;s still true enough that only a similar scenario with an opposite result would spur widespread change. So sure, it would still be unlikely to see outright abolishment through a Constitutional amendment, but other solutions are possible. States could agree among themselves to apportion their electors by popular vote, or they could agree to award their electors to the winner of the national popular vote. Nebraska awards its electors by congressional district, for example, so it could likely split this year. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think in 2000 people&#039;s opinions of the electoral college had a strong tendency to coincide with which candidate they supported, and I bet that&#039;s still true enough that only a similar scenario with an opposite result would spur widespread change. So sure, it would still be unlikely to see outright abolishment through a Constitutional amendment, but other solutions are possible. States could agree among themselves to apportion their electors by popular vote, or they could agree to award their electors to the winner of the national popular vote. Nebraska awards its electors by congressional district, for example, so it could likely split this year. </p>
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