By It would help if Republican Congressman Phil Gingrey from Georgia knew what the hell he was talking about before proposing legislation
“Chain migration is a ticking time bomb. Under current law, one legal immigrant could potentially yield visas for up to 273 other legal immigrants in a 15 year period. You can imagine what would happen if Congress granted amnesty to the 12 million illegal immigrants currently in our nation – each one of them could start the chain migration process. I don’t understand why we are giving the second-cousin of a legal immigrant visa priority over someone with good job skills and an education. My bill would limit family migration to the nuclear family: spouses, dependent children and parents. This would reduce the ‘chain’ to a maximum of about 30 visas.- Rome News-Tribune
Here is a link to the legislation Gingrey is proposing.
A legal immigrant to the US can only apply for their spouse or children. Do any of us know of someone with anywhere close to that number of immediate family members? I didn’t think so.
Once the legal immigrant becomes a US citizen, the family members he or she can petition grows. Now they can do it for parents and unmarried siblings. Not cousins, 1st, 2nd or whatever, or nieces, nephews, Aunts, Uncles, etc etc. Click here to verify what I am saying.
The process to petition unmarried siblings takes 12-20 years. The process for a legal immigrant becoming a US citizen takes 4-6 years, all depending on whether they are married to a US citizen or not. The octuplet Mom can bring the same number lives into this country in one pregnancy that it will take a immigrant US citizen 15 years to do.
Gingrey is either blatantly ignorant of US immigration law or lying in some attempt to garner political support. If politics is behind his harebrained statement, Gingrey must be a tremendously insecure individual. He garnered 68% and 70% in his last two congressional elections. Both were bad years for Republicans.
10:53 am on February 21st, 2009 1
The congressman's facts are wrong, but you got one fact wrong yourself. Legal immigrants can sponsor only unmarried siblings, but US citizens can sponsor married brothers and sisters. The long processing time works against us as the immigrant arrives older and has fewer working years. Moreover, while sponsors are required to provide an affidavit promising financial support, that legal document is not enforced. The 1997? immigrant welfare reform reduced or restricted federal benefits to new immigrants. Many states, however, like California and Taxachusetts, which not coincidentally are nearly bankrupt, restored those benefits.
Congressman Gingrey's facts are wrong, but I am in complete agreement that our immigration policies need to be overhauled, and family immigration ditched in favor of a point system that balances many factors, including family ties, education, language, and job skills. I understand why US citizens want their loved ones to come to the US. However, older immigrants with low educational achievement and little English are very likely to become dependent on public assistance unless the family actually honors the sponsorship affidavit.
Medicare is already a ticking time bomb. The prospect of adding millions of eligible recipients to this and other public assistance programs is one reason why I oppose another blanket amnesty and immigration reform that asks not what we can do for immigrants but what they can do for us. Millions and millions of people want to come here. It only makes sense to allot limited spaces to those able to make the most of the opportunities this country offers.
10:55 am on February 21st, 2009 2
And I believe not only the sibling but the whole family can come. A naturalized Vietnamese-American sponsored her whole family. When the last family member, a brother immigrated four years ago, he brought his wife and son.
10:56 am on February 21st, 2009 3
"…why I oppose another blanket amnesty and immigration reform …"
should read "…why I oppose another blanket amnesty and SUPPORT immigration reform …"
11:22 am on February 21st, 2009 4
Gingrey was the local bigoted idiot in my old district, and many of us were surprised he made it to the U.S. Congress.
12:17 pm on February 21st, 2009 5
A Legal permanent resident alien can petition
Husband or wife, or
Unmarried son or daughter of any age.
A US citizen can petition
Husband or wife
Unmarried child under 21 years of age
Unmarried son or daughter over 21
Married son or daughter of any age
Brother or sister, if the sponsor is at least 21 years old, or
Parent, if the sponsor is at least 21 years old.
You have to be a citizen to petition a brother or sister.
2:47 pm on February 21st, 2009 6
Today, immigrants are allowed to bring family members to the United States, including children, spouses, siblings, and parents. These relatives then bring in their relatives in an unending process known as "chain migration."
This policy of family reunification first stands immigration policy on its head, for it makes immigrants-not Americans-the ultimate arbiters of who comes to America. Thus, whole villages from El Salvador are here, thanks to chain migration, while citizens from countries whose kinfolk built America wait in line. Ending this absurdity requires a simple reform.
Immigrants should be permitted to bring wives and minor children only. Other relatives should get in line with those already there. When an immigrant wins a green card, it should entitle him to work, and eventually bring his wife and minor children, not empower him to bring an extended family of dozens to the United States. If reuniting with parents, brothers, and sisters in as absolute imperative for a foreign worker, let him go home and visit them as long as he likes.
It is you GI who doesn't know what he is talking about.
2:55 pm on February 21st, 2009 7
To draw you a picture-
A migrates to the US and brings B, his wife and C and D his children. E, F, G, H his siblings and I and J his parents
Thats
ABCDEFGHI
His parents bring their siblings JKL and MNO and their parents PQ and RS
and all of them bring their spouses, children and their parents TUVWXYZ…………..
Now B (the wife) brings her siblings and HER parents…………………….
Why is this so difficult to understand?
3:05 pm on February 21st, 2009 8
Look it up yourself
http://www.uscis.gov
7:16 pm on February 21st, 2009 9
Lemmy,
First it would help if you actually read anything that was posted.
1 It was posted by me not GI
2 I linked to the relevant USCIS page
3 Congressman Gingrey says 273 relatives in 15 years. It takes 6 years for a immigrant to become a citizen and then 15 years for a sibling's petition to get approved.(There's a quota) 15 plus 6 equals 21. Do you know anyone with 273 immediate family parents, children, spouses and siblings?
4 The Congressman claims cousins can be petitioned in this time. They can't.
8:01 pm on February 21st, 2009 10
Bill, I read what GI wrote and the responses. I did my homework and I'm talking from experience Education + Experience = my postings and not out of my ass
Here is the proposed bill, but like 99% of Americans, no one will read it. It is short titled the Nuclear Family Priority Act
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c111:1:./te…
10:47 pm on February 21st, 2009 11
As Bill said, I didn't write the posting, Bill did. Plus, I don't know of anyone who has brought over 273 family members.
11:29 pm on February 21st, 2009 12
GI,
Lemmy isn't listening. Facts, my links to the bill and approrpriate USCIS webpage or even who is writing the post, are beyond his comprehension.
I've got practical immigration experience. Since between 1989 and 1996 I did a alien relative petition for my wife, had her apply for citizenship, then do the alien relative petition for her mother.
A person if they did have the ability to petition 273 family members would need $95,000.($355 x 273) I could add that's a lot of money for a unskilled worker to come up with.
11:32 pm on February 21st, 2009 13
The phrase is "could potentially yield 273 visas." I don't find that hard to believe and from what I've seen, I believe the number could far exceed 273.
Regardless, uncontrolled immigration into the US is destroying the country that my ancestors fought so hard to build.
Perhaps you should read "State of Emergency" by Pat Buchanan. He has laid it all out in black and white. You can take his words and confirm what he has to say.
NRN
11:44 pm on February 21st, 2009 14
Oh the Pat Buchanan who wrote this after the VA Tech slayings-
"Almost no attention has been paid to the fact that Cho Seung-Hui was not an American at all, but an immigrant, an alien. Had this deranged young man who secretly hated us never come here, 32 people would heading home from Blacksburg for summer vacation.
What was Cho doing here? How did he get in?
Cho was among the 864,000 Koreans here as a result of the Immigration Act of 1965, which threw the nation's doors open to the greatest invasion in history, an invasion 4pposed by a majority of our people. Thirty-six million, almost all from countries whose peoples have never fully assimilated in any Western country, now live in our midst.
Cho was one of them."
http://townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTit…
One mass murderer and he's willing to jettison a whole group of people.
8:03 pm on February 22nd, 2009 15
Bill – Thanks, I'll read "The Dark Side of Diversity" next.
Reading further down on the link you provided educated me as to how many other mass murders were committed by immigrants. I really didn't know there were so many.
Also the link to VDARE.com was very interesting as it pointed out many of the crimes against Ameria committed by immigrants, both legal and illegal.
I guess your right, uncontrolled immigration has dire consequences.
I'm glad Korea, a country with tight immigration policies doesn't have the same problems, or Russia or China either (there more the size of the US I guess.)
Buchanan gets right to the point and sometimes the truth hurts us.
You should also read "Death of the West"
3:05 pm on February 24th, 2009 16
Bill, thats what I thought. Your ideas are clouded by your immigrant family members. Too bad
9:50 pm on April 3rd, 2009 17
Hey Bill here is another one for you—
The gunman who went on a murderous rampage in a roomful of immigrants at the American Civic Association in Binghamton, N.Y. on Friday was an immigrant.
Good Grief, I guess you are right. Immigrants cause a lot of harm to the U.S. in any status.