By This is an absolutely horrible attack:
A U.S. soldier was in custody Friday after allegedly stabbing a female bartender near Osan Air Base in a fit of jealousy, authorities said.
The woman, 27, was reported in critical condition and on life support Friday with multiple knife wounds. Police said she’s from the Philippines and worked in the Shinjang Mall entertainment district just outside the base.
“I can say she is going through a very critical moment right now,” said surgeon Ahn Sang-ik, who operated on the woman at Osan Hankook Hospital. “It is too early to tell whether she will be OK.”
Two others — men who heard the woman’s screams and rushed to her aid — also were injured when trying to subdue the soldier.
Both remained hospitalized after surgery, but their injuries were not life-threatening, authorities said.
One was a South Korean air force captain, the other a civilian.
Part of the American soldier’s finger was cut off in the scuffle with the men, police said.
The incident occurred shortly after midnight Friday morning in the Songtan section of Pyeongtaek. Police would not disclose the name of the club. [Stars & Stripes]
According to the article this soldier had a romantic interest in the woman and became jealous when he saw her drinking with another guy at the bar. That is when he decided to attack her while she was walking home.
According to the article this guy was a 2nd Infantry Division soldier that was a regular at the bar. This incident just makes me wonder why a 2nd Infantry Division soldier was doing over at Osan on a Thursday? The nearest 2ID unit would be the aviation unit stationed at Camp Humphreys. So possibly this guy works there and then drives regularly to Songtan?
A ROK Drop reader has provided some background information about the woman that was attacked and apparently she wasn’t a typical juicy girl under contract at the bar. He also makes a good point that if this woman was a Korean the military reaction would probably be different. As far as anti-US NGO’s trying to do exploit this assault, I don’t think they will get much traction with it considering how Koreans treat Filipina women in Korea.
It will be interesting to see who takes jurisdiction of this case since it was off post incident, but didn’t involve a Korean national. The Koreans could take jurisdiction if they wanted, but if this woman survives I would hope she would want the US military to handle the case. This is because of the notoriously light sentences handed out in Korean courts compared to a US military court martial.
In the meantime let’s hope that this woman is able to over come her injuries because she is in critical condition from this attack and that the military does everything possible to help this woman recover.
8:28 am on March 7th, 2009 1
A jealousy crazy GI stabs three people and try to kill them, and it's the big bad Koreans who are to be blamed. Three quarters of your thread is devoted to the usual anti Korean angle. It's sad how you would use this incident for your agenda. Typical expats.
8:58 am on March 7th, 2009 2
I'm more interested in commentary on the many things wrong with this Soldier than anything having to do with Korean hypocrisy and inconsistency. I, too, am an American Soldier. This guy and I are the same, but different.
11:35 am on March 7th, 2009 3
Hmm. Not under contract to the bar. That really only leaves two options in my little pea-sized brain. She is either a runaway or a dependent.
I have seen first hand that often the Korean police are not interested in foreigner on foreigner crime. However, since the perp is a GI (2 CAB, 2ID according to most folks) and there were two Korean victims (one being a ROK 0-3) I suspect they will pile on quite nicely.
Of course it makes no difference Tom, but wouldn't it be interesting to discover that this girl was "engaged" to the GI (with no romantic interest, as per S&S) and the ROK captain was bar fining her, or at least bonking…. Like I said, no excuse, but it would be interesting.
1:05 pm on March 7th, 2009 4
I always feel sorry for these young (and sometimes not so young) guys who fall for the two timing bar girl.
Looks like this poor sucker has gotten himself into really big trouble. I wonder if someone in his unit failed him along he way.
3:47 pm on March 7th, 2009 5
"Of course it makes no difference Tom, but wouldn’t it be interesting to discover that this girl was “engaged” to the GI (with no romantic interest, as per S&S) and the ROK captain was bar fining her, or at least bonking…. Like I said, no excuse, but it would be interesting.
"
If true, well, the guy shouldn't be blaming others if he was useless in bed with a small penis and the woman decided to look elsewhere.
4:06 pm on March 7th, 2009 6
Perhaps it was not the penis which was too small, I suspect it was the wallet.
2:30 am on March 8th, 2009 7
Is it possible that the girl was used to tiny, little Korean penises and rejected the guy because he is a hung dude?
Sometimes the truth hurts TOM and what is said about Koreans and others is true. That is what I learned from Koreans. When in Korea, do as Koreans do-that's a favorite saying of Koreans.
I know it hurts, but you have to move on or come to Korea and learn for yourself.
Of course you'd have dodge the draft, but since you're such a Korean patriot that won't be a problem.
All that aside, I hope the woman pulls through and justice is served.
2:42 am on March 8th, 2009 8
You Koreans are always saying how polite, kind and warm-hearted you are, but you didn't even send the girl any condolences. How about hoping for her to pull through.
As far as the anti-Korean stuff goes TOM, what's good for the goose is good for the gander TOMMY Boy. People/Americans are sick of Korean, anti-foreign/US bullshit. Koreans do more bitching about others than anyone else.
If you don't like it, go somewhere else, that's what you Koreans are fond of saying. Why not practice what you preach?
10:44 am on March 8th, 2009 9
Well folks, bad news. Word on the street is the filipina girl has died.
Been a while since I have been to Songtan but the stabbing apparently took place in the vicinity of a club called Jonas or Janus or something like that (though she supposedly was not working there). Seems the lady was not working, unknown as to whether she was just leaving work. The GI was following her. The Koreans involved appear to be no more than passers-by.
11:36 am on March 8th, 2009 10
GI's attempt to to use this incident to paint the anti-USFK forces as somehow hypocritical for not raising hackles over the attack on the Filipina bar girl shows how he (like usual) utterly is unable to grasp what those groups are actually agitating against.
Let's review: the anti-USFIK groups are pissed about the fact that US forces in Korea, to a degree by their very presence in Korea, are in essence abrogating ROK sovereignty. So when they don't raise holy hell over the fact of an injured foreign national residing in Korea it's because it isn't the sort of issue of sovereignty that they wish to address. Now, on an absolute moral standard GI has a point. All assaults and crimes committed by US forces should merit severe criticism and attention. Korean citizen or not. But when you look at in the light of what a groups goals and philosophical disposition are it isn't necessarily the case that they have to or should.
Let's play a thought game: if US occupation personnel in Iraq killed (intentionally or accidentally) a Bangladeshi working for Halliburton and individuals such Moqtada al-Sadr didn't raise a storm over it, would you then conclude that Iraqis are being hypocritical or unserious about the crimes and injuries committed by US occupation forces towards actual Iraqi citizens?
2:56 pm on March 8th, 2009 11
I feel bad for the girl. No matter what she did I don't think it deserves your last hours in pain from 18 stab wounds. And congrads to the ROKs who tried to help. That's unusual for this culture.
What was this dumbchit thinking? He knew there would be punishment, he knew it would screw up his life, and yet he still stabbed her? I just don't get how someone can do that. That's a lot of lives now screwed up.
Here's how I blame the Koreans on this one: They know these districts exist. They know that some of these girls are prostitutes, not entertainers. You think it's bad in American districts? Then go to the Korean only bars in Inchon or Pusan and see where prostitution is MANDATORY for these 'entertainers'. So, since the Koreans know it exists, why are they approving the visas? The reason is: Bribes. There is no reason to let 100,000 'entertainers' into the country at once unless there is money involved. Kick out the TCNs (third country nationals) in all of the districts including the ones that aren't American districts.
3:18 pm on March 8th, 2009 12
Marcus,
You are connecting two different problems, first the prostitution problem in Korea and second the american soldier stabbing a filipina girl.
Prostitution problem exist everywhere but blaming Korean government because a soldier stabbed a woman for emotional issue sounds me strange.
Remember, he stabbed her because of jealousy, not because of her job. Someone with his kind of personality would do the same to a girl regardless of her job.
3:35 pm on March 8th, 2009 13
Holy crap! I actually agree with Dr. Yu.
4:45 pm on March 8th, 2009 14
Here is the latest from the Filipina community. It is as reliable as your trust in the Bamboo Telegraph.
She was a runaway and, as pointed out, was juicing but not a "juicy".
The guy and the girl were definately romantically involved. (It appears Stars and Stripes misrepresented their relationship).
"They have been fighting a lot lately."
Several girls said he was paying for her place to live. Some said they were living together in some way (such as on weekends).
He jumped out and stabbed her twice in the front and 16 times in the back.
Nobody said it directly but it seems he put a lot of money into her.
Nobody said it directly but there may be some truth in Leon LaPorte's idea that they may have been "engaged", or at least he thought so.
That's all I heard.
In another week, the Filipina community will know all the details. Keep your ear to the bamboo pole and report back here.
5:15 pm on March 8th, 2009 15
The reason you can connect it with the Korean government is the same way as traffic accidents. For those that don't know: if you sit at a red light and someone hits you, it is never 100% their fault. Had you not been there, you wouldn't have gotten hit, therefore some of it is your fault.
This is the thought here. Had she not been here on an 'entertainment' visa then she wouldn't have been a runaway and this news story wouldn't have happened.
11:44 pm on March 8th, 2009 16
Thank god this wasnt a Korean girl, or every post gate in the country would be getting some awesome protests, and I would be apart of it -ex Katusa
12:50 am on March 9th, 2009 17
Lee J.S
Was that "a part of it" as in "included"…
…or "apart of it" as in "away from"?
…just doublechckin' your politics… can't be too careful.
11:45 am on March 10th, 2009 18
Lee you are making my point for me. Why aren't you ready to protest when a Filipina is stabbed? Is her life worth less then a Korean woman?
11:51 am on March 10th, 2009 19
The typical GI crime groups like, The Movement to Eradicate Crimes Committed by US Soldiers, has been so far quiet on this issue. These groups are supposed to be against GI crime and yet when a Filipina gets stabbed it doesn't matter, however if a Korean bar worker was stabbed they would be at the front gate of Osan right now.
This just shows that these groups care little about GI crime and instead manipulate the issues that resonate with the Korean public to further their anti-US agendas.
I have demonstrated this over and over again on this site in regards to these NGO's be it Green Korea or People's Solidarity for Participatory Democracy. The core issue they are supposed to stand for is all a fraud and instead are front groups to spread anti-Americanism in Korea.
1:31 pm on March 10th, 2009 20
I'm really upset by the importance (or lack of) placed on people because of their nationality. No person is worth more than another, the politics of it all is disturbing, and goes to show the character of a lot of people.
1:38 pm on March 10th, 2009 21
Lee is saying exactly that. Koreans are better than everyone, and especially Filipino people are far beneath Koreans. That's the whole Korean mentality everyone has pointed out in other posts.
11:37 pm on March 10th, 2009 22
Frankly specking, do you expect Koreans to protest for every people murdered in Korea? They hardly do it for Koreans, why they should do for foreigners.
Oh, and this is not xenophobia.
10 kids were murdered in germany yesterday but I don’t see people from other countries in Europe, America, Asia, Oceania or Africa protesting for them. Please be rational.
People here like to measure Koreans with different standards that those applied for themselves. That’s very rude …
12:47 am on March 11th, 2009 23
That begs the question of the focus of the protests. You pretty much exposed it apparently without realizing it.
The protests in Korea are not FOR the interest of victims. The protests are AGAINST the fact that the killing/death was caused by a foreigner. No matter how rare it is. Isn't that xenophobia?
Even at the height of the Cold War, if a Russian living in America had killed or caused the death of an American, that wouldn't have been an excuse for national protests to expel all Russians.
Most Koreans were genuinely surprised there was no anti-Korean retaliation after the Virginia university killings. But most Americans would not even consider it. Only an extremely small minority of Americans would have used that as an excuse for anti-Koreanism.
That type of response doesn't happen in most developed multicultural countries today, but it is still an all too common feature of Korea.
4:23 am on March 11th, 2009 24
A comparison of the Osan Golf Course and Your Songtan Juicy…
PART 1 (because the spam blocker has a mind of its own)
You go to jail if you take a swing at your juicy.
Many guys can play the course at the same time. Your juicy can play many guys at the same time.
One has a sand trap. The other has a honey trap. Both are hard to get out of and will have all your friends laughing behind your back.
After spending a lot of time on the course, you don't feel the need to go home all alone and resentfully play with your putter.
Nobody leaves their wife and kids for the Osan golf course.
Come-backer has very, very, very different meanings.
They are both heavily controlled by Korean pimmps who are all over them when GIs aren't around.
4:24 am on March 11th, 2009 25
PART 2 (so far, so good)
If you stick your tee in your juicy, it will cost you $300.
You can go through the green very quickly with both of them.
The ball washer can be a machine or a position.
Out-of-bounds with your juicy means getting a drink thrown in your face.
After blasting in the bunker, only one will tell you, "You gonna be a daddy."
Getting your balls hit won't cost you extra on the course.
If you drink enough, you can overlook your juicy's handicap.
A loose impediment can generally be removed on the course. With your juicy, you just have to live with it. Surgery, maybe.
When you are at work, other guys are all over them looking to drop one in the hole.
You will never get a golf clap from your juicy.
"Bump and run" can get you on the green or get you to the Main Gate before curfew.
Only three guys can be on your juicy at once.
The Vardon grip is the most popular on the course. You can imagine what is popular with your juicy.
On the course, nobody is impressed if you have a 40 inch wood.
Only on the course does an open stance have a tendency to fade your balls.
The course has grass. Your juicy smokes it.
If you don't get a pop-up on the course, nobody suspects you are gaay.
There are no good lies with your juicy.
4:28 am on March 11th, 2009 26
PART 3 (it must be too many forbidden words in one post)
In both cases, the definition of "releaase" is "the point at which the wrist uncoccks." Isn't that an odd coincidence?
A small number of strokkes to finish is only impressive on the course.
The clubs are in the bags… and the bags are in the clubs. Symmetry!
And, this week only, they both have 18 holes.
8:14 am on March 11th, 2009 27
:LOL: …just spit my Diet Pepsi all over my desk….
2:34 am on March 12th, 2009 28
Sounds like chickenlover is quite the misogynist. A Filipino gets stabbed and chickenlover starts to tell everyone who will listen that Filipinos are whores and debase and dehumanize them into “holes.”
Chickenlover, would you enjoy it if your friends and neighbors called your wife and daughter a “hole”? Do you think of them and other women as “holes”?
I am pretty sure a man such as yourself, can’t keep a wife. That is true, isn’t it?
3:32 am on March 12th, 2009 29
JoeC
It is not xenophobia. The protest you are referring to never targeted foreigners in Korea, just the USA because they were considered the cause of the problem. They never demand foreigners to leave Korea nor say they are inferior to Koreans. Xenophobia is what these people do: KKK, nazis, fascists, black vans in Japan, neo-nazis in Europe, tribal wars in Africa and so on. Those protests are not caused by xenophobia but political dispute inside Korea. The communist targets the USA to weaken South Korean and USA alliance. You can say at best that they are political protests but not xenophobia.
4:30 am on March 12th, 2009 30
The Sub-Being dares to speak!
RealAmerican,
"Sounds like chickenlover is quite the misogynist."
No way! I love women! They bring me great joy, happiness and satisfaction in my life. Why, if I couldn't smack one around now and then, I'd just go through life feeling unhappy, frustrated and small.
You should try it. You sound really humorless… and, frankly, rather small.
"A Filipino gets stabbed…"
FilipinO? You are kidding! She was a ladyboy?!?! It wouldn't be the first ladyboy in Songtan to get stabbed (so to speak).
Ohhh… you intended to say a "Filipina". Yeah… well… the O and A keys are almost next to each other… easy mistake.
"…and chickenlover starts to tell everyone who will listen that Filipinos (sic) are whoores…"
Reading comprehension, baby!
Let's see. Did the title of my post include the phrase "Filipinos (sic) are whoores" or did it say "Your Songan Juicy". Don't peek. Try to answer the question from memory.
"…and debase and dehumanize them into “holes.”"
Well, now… when a girl (regardless of nationality) comes to a foreign country to peddle her asss to American servicemembers, most of the work is done for me when it comes to debasing and dehumanizing. I just report what I see.
Remind me of their purpose again… was it to assist in the study of quantum chromodynamics or provide holes (or the promise of holes). I just… can't remember…
"Chickenlover, would you enjoy it if your friends and neighbors called your wife and daughter a “hole”?"
Not at all. My wife's name is Holeita. Our beautiful daughter is Excavation and the spunky twins are Pit and Shaft.
If our precious snowflake ever decides to hook to GIs, Hole would be a perfect professional name. Thanks for suggesting it. Lovetunnel and Cumcranny are just too wordy, don't you think?
"Do you think of them and other women as “holes”? "
Sub-Being, you seem to be unable to differentiate between ladies, women and whoores… whom we marry, whom we party with and whom we shamelessly funk for money. I hope never to meet the females in your life… real prizes, based on your attitude.
"I am pretty sure a man such as yourself, can’t keep a wife. That is true, isn’t it?"
Well, I didn't get married to get divorced… so… so far, so good. Ask me again each year. Who knows.
There is a cute little Korean college girl (biology major) who has been sniffing around the bar in a hopelessly short skirt… if only I were single.
Not that it matters… for teenage brides, I'm good in the PI 'till 50, Indonesia 'till 60 and most of sub-Saharan Africa until I greatly exceed the life-expectancy charts.
Your mistake is that you think my wife takes me as seriously as you pretend to.
Dismissed, Sub-Being.
7:35 am on March 12th, 2009 31
This guy that attacked the Juicy girl is what we call a "Wildcard" when it comes to the drinkie bar whore scene. Rest assured, this good old two timing bar whore fu??ed him over good and another type of Juice (in this case, OJ) reared his ugly head.
7:51 am on March 12th, 2009 32
I hear they're reviewing curfew policies because of this stabbing and the brawl outside Yongchon club a couple of weeks ago.
10:44 am on March 12th, 2009 33
“Had she not been here on an ‘entertainment’ visa then she wouldn’t have been a runaway and this news story wouldn’t have happened”
Had she not been here the victim could have been a korean woman, an american female soldier, a russian woman, a chinese woman, whether they were a prostitute or not.
A Filipína was stabbed by an american soldier here and the best think you find to do is blaming korean prostitution? As someone pointed out you don’t seem to be concerned about the victim, which is the most important now.
2:02 pm on March 12th, 2009 34
Oh and let's not forget about the brawl and stabbing at the King Club in Itaewon. Honestly I believe that all these young soldiers cannot handle their alcohol anyway. Just look at the daily OPSUM!!!!! Curfew at 10 pm needs to imposed again.
8:01 am on March 13th, 2009 35
No one is reviewing curfew policies – yet. Most of us understand that even if we put a curfew on soldiers like we'd put on a 12-year old girl, it wouldn't solve the problems we're having now. The biggest problem is something like 80% of the E4s and below we are getting in Korea now are fresh out of AIT. We have an exceptionally immature group of "young men" who have yet to develop the discipline, common sense, or street-smarts to avoid trouble. Add to this the unique challenges of serving in Korea (which I don't have to point-out to most of you), and the fact that across the theater we are under-manned in critical troop leader positions (E5 – E7), and that most of the senior leadership is strung-out from back-to-back exerices (UFG – War Path – War Figther – Warrior Focus 09-01 – KE/FE – Warrior Focus 09-02 – Couragous Channel – TROKA CCX – and on and on and on), and you have an exceptionally dangerous situation.
I think stabilizing tours here along the Germany model (3 year accompanied and 2 year unaccompanied) might help. I'm now sure.
8:01 am on March 13th, 2009 36
Sorry, I meant "I'm NOT sure."
7:51 pm on March 13th, 2009 37
Does anybody remember way back in 1993 when an ex military man killed his two kids in his apartment outside Osan AB? I think his wife was working at the Tiger Club and he didn't want her working there anymore. She came home from work and asked where the kids were and he said "in the closet" and she went and found them stuffed in a duffel bag.
10:00 pm on March 13th, 2009 38
you can get the girl outta the club, but you can't get the club outta the girl. Must be a pretty life changing experience for them.. coming from a 3rd world country, who wouldn't like getting used to american music, lots of free booze, plenty of fit American Soldiers (well, some), enough money getting thrown around in a week to feed your family for a month and hey, if they get bored of one guy (or he doesn't marry her fast enough) you can just throw him away and get a new one. Daydream time: I'm imagining myself in a club in the philippines, lots of petite tan girls coming in, buying me beer, telling me how handsome I am, trying to get me to go to their place for the night… hmmmm helps me understand it a little more.
10:46 pm on March 13th, 2009 39
I remember that guy in 1993. He got out of the military on one of those transtion programs. What he did not know is a lot of programs don't apply overseas. He had no income and his Korean wife went back to the club to work. I can remember when they had Korean bar girls that guys would marry them, but not have money to pay off their debt to the club so they still had to work in the club and pull tricks.
11:10 pm on March 13th, 2009 40
Major Joe,
You seem to be on top of things – carry on and keep up the good work.
9:48 am on March 14th, 2009 41
Posted on another blog "This morning about 8:30 on AFN FM, a Sgt Major came on for some type of From The Top interview. His first comments were about the need to review curfew policies
because of a trend of incidents since the extended curfew change. The only two
reasons he vaguely cited were a major brawl at Osan and "a stabbing" incident"
Keep up the great work Joe.
2:29 pm on March 14th, 2009 42
Busted. Yeah, that was me. That was one of my mini-rages (outrages). I have low tolerance for bull$h1t and sometimes I have to spew back. If the military ever had true Town Halls instead of with the 'yes ma'am, yes sir' crowds, they would have faces full of people like me, telling the emperor he has no clothes.
Mini-rage #2.
The day after the attack, I asked, 'how will the victim be treated?' I said that if she were Korean, the military PR machine would go all out to claim concern and support for her. But since she was not Korean that would be an open question. Well, the question is not so open now. The bar where the victim worked now has a collection box for donations to pay her medical expenses.
Before anyone wants to go off about that, I want to offer my personal voucher for them. The victim has a name. It's Monique. I've known her passingly for about a year. She worked at the Rose Bar for about 5 months as a bartender. Yes, she was a real full time bartender. Why? Because the owner there was the real hostess/entertainer/attraction.
So you might think the owner is trying to exploit and rip off with the donation box. I would not think so. I've known her for many years. She is real and she cares. She gets along better with Filipinas than she does with other Koreans. She was really distraught after the attack.
So the question that is left is why is no one from the military is talking to them and offering to pay for Monique's care? I think that is a fair question.
2:56 pm on March 14th, 2009 43
You know, the bar makes a lot of money from stupid GI's buying jucies. The bar makes even more money by exploiting women from poor countries like the P.I.
However, when it comes down for the bar to have to actually F'ing PAY for something they ask for more money in the form of a collection box for donations.
Pay up Rose bar owner. You brought that poor girl over here to make money, you put her in harms way and you're the one that needs to take care of her. Have a little Got D dignity and put the F'ing collection box AWAY!
3:30 pm on March 14th, 2009 44
You might have missed it, but I mentioned before that Monique was not contracted to that bar. She independently chose to work there after her contract was settled at another place.
There are many independent people working in Songtan who have no medical insurance. Not everyone working in the clubs is owned and trafficked. You would be surprised to know that some filipinas actually have Korean citizenship. I've been here long enough to recognize some of the new bartender/hostesses who were hanging out with on-base high school dependants a few years ago. So it's a mistake to generalize and assume.
BTW, one of her saviours, the man identified as Mr. Lee in Stars and Stripes, if I am right, is an independent worker without medical benefits. If I am right, he is an immigrant Korean who is also a bartender at a small bar called the Chae's lounge. Who will pay his medical bills?
5:24 pm on March 14th, 2009 45
JoeC,
You can probably best answer this question… and it is an important one.
Did she get stabbed because she spurned his advances…
…or did she get stabbed because after dumping lots of time, effort and money into her, he got nothing but empty promises and a great big rip-off?
The answer determines whether she needs her medical bills paid or if she needs to be allowed to bleed to death in the street with somebody jumping on her head.
While it is politically correct to say, "Nobody deserves to die for anything they do downtown," that is not really true. Over the years, I have seen downtown girls intentionally pull premeditated sh!t they should have been boiled in oil for.
If she was really just a nice girl trying to make an honest living selling drinks and conversation, she didn't deserve it. If she was promising everything to any guy who would listen while collecting the cash, she pretty much got what was coming to her.
I don't know about her. But I do know that the nicest, sweetest, coolest jucies I ever knew were still vicious predators to the suckers… so, at this point, she is somewhat guilty until proven innocent.
Anybody have any insight on this girl so we can base our opinions on more than statistics and probability? And, "She was nice," doesn't cut it. All girls are nice when they get paid for you to like them.
Anybody have any insight on the guy? He was 37 years old… I'm thinking, a little too old to kill over simple unrequited love. Did he leave a family due to this girl's empty promises?
One other thing:
"If I am right, he is an immigrant Korean who is also a bartender at a small bar…"
Oh, you mean Chinese spy? Heh. We can save that discussion for another post.
And one more thing:
"So the question that is left is why is no one from the military is talking to them and offering to pay for Monique’s care? I think that is a fair question."
That is a very fair question with an easy answer.
USFK doesn't really believe Filipinas are full humans. Koreans certainly don't think so. And the Philippines has 40 million others and many more pressing problems… so who cares?
USFK leadership fully knows what the juicy bar business model requires of the Filipinas… but they don't put the bars off-limits for this exploitation which borders upon slavery. Instead, they fund Friendship Associations and Good Neighbor programs to reward the human-trafficking pimps with taxpayer-funded gifts over games of golf.
(Contrast this with what happened when white girls were being pimped. That got shut down as soon as it made the papers.)
Don't expect them to do anything official which might later be used to show they recognize what is going on downtown… though they might, to buy silence and reduce publicity, take care of her in some unofficial way.
Hey… you asked.
5:51 pm on March 14th, 2009 46
In keeping with the ancient Norse and old English tradition of offering "wergeld," the US Army typically offers a payment (the current name of which escapes me) for abuses and errors that cause injury, death, or property damage. I believe this young lady (I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt here guys – innoncent until proven guilty) was offered $5,000. I don't know much about the Korean medical system, but I assume this isn't enough to pay for the critical care she needed for her injuries.
6:47 pm on March 14th, 2009 47
Hmmm, so many questions. For many of them, I have the same answer. 'I don't know.' Like I said, I only knew her in passing. Much of what I know I won't blab here. I don't really know what her relation was with her attacker.
A simpler answer to all your questions is, 'it doesn't matter.' I am tainted. One of the reasons I joined the military was to get away from an incident that got my world spinning. A girl I grew up with was beaten to death by another guy I grew up with. That was imprinted on my soul. That is my trigger. Since then, in several countries, I've seen men attacking women and it took few big guys to hold me back and hold me down. Because for me, I don't want to hear what the reasoning, rationalization, or justification is for the attack.
If I had been passing through that area that night, I would have been on autopilot. I would have been a hero or a victim. I would not have been a bystander. I would not have tapped him on the shoulder and asked him, 'what did she do to you?'
7:46 pm on March 14th, 2009 48
In a way it's a shame this girl got assaulted but unless this is an extremely rare occasion she probably did quite a number on this soldier before he lost his mind.
It's really disappointing that Songtan has plummeted into the ghetto it is now, it used to be fun. I recently got a chance to revisit the old haunts and I can honestly say I was saddened beyond belief on how bad it is now. What happened? Did I really see that they paved the street and now instead of cars driving down the main drag it's full of trash? Did I really see Golden Gate in the sorry shape I think I saw it in? Eagles, Stereo, My House Down? Now it's just a bunch of trashy human trafficking clubs with ugly girls in every one of them? Eff me, the place used to have worth, now it's the worst shitehole I can imagine. I hear the Korean girls won't even go near these places, are these guys so stupid that they're screwing these ugly hoes? Or are the vast majority of the GI's going to better places like Suwon or Seoul?
I'm sorry, while I was there I just couldn't figure it out. Maybe they'll do Songtan a favor and get the AF to bomb DT and then start from scratch. Jeeeeeeezzzzzzuuuuuussssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!
2:04 pm on March 17th, 2009 49
Come on, guys… give us an update!
Here is my take on it.
Some of you guys know her deal exactly.
If she had been a sweet, innocent girl selling honest drinks to send tip money back home to her sick mother, there would have been ten postings about how great she was.
However, in typical form for around here, she was selling sexx, or the promise of it, to screw GIs out of anything they would part with… but nobody wants to say anything about this because, "she was always cool with me."
No. She wasn't cool with you. She just sensed that you had to be played in a different way.
Always the story… never the follow-up.
2:41 pm on March 17th, 2009 50
There's probably not much else to report on this story. The bar ho is probably recovering nicely and the guy that attacked her is looking at a few years in Leavenworth and the Big Chicken Dinner.
10:36 am on March 20th, 2009 51
The "bar ho" died.
7:42 am on March 24th, 2009 52
So, for all you techie contractors, there I was… doing some soldering and I started thinking to myself… in kind of an ultimately objectifying way…
…How is your Filipina juicy like a 10 ohm resistor?
The ideal one would be a perfect 10 but that's almost impossible to find.
Sparks will fly if you short them.
The resistance increases if you try two in a row.
They have a relatively low value with no potential.
They are easy to find in large quantities since the manufacturers are frequently overstocked.
If you touch a bare one, you might not be able to let go and your life will be over.
They hook up better if you connect them with gold.
You don't feel too bad if you use one and then discard if for a better one.
No matter what you want, they will always resist.
A wife fears one will fall into her husband's bathtub.
They function well in a cage or attached to a pole.
You can abuse them a lot but eventually they will burn out.
An insulated probe is safer to use on them.
They can be used in almost any position.
You will always find them to be limiting and give you no gain.
They are quite cheap if you get them directly from where they are made.
Most of them are made in Asia.
The cheapest ones aren't quite right.
They work well around AC. (Angeles City for you noobs)
In a marine environment, some problems can be solved when hooked up by DC. (think about it)
They are bipolar.
Without a good grounding, they can be noisy.
It's easy to find old ones that are no longer used, are basically thrown away and can be gotten for cheap to free.
Older ones have a much larger form factor.
With the right setup, they can have a low input impedance.
When hooked on a card, they can run a charge.
They can sit near a TV for hours without moving.
If they feel warm, they are probably live.
If you are not sure of their condition, they should be tested.
One that isn't right can damage your equipment.
Sometimes they stop working the moment they are hooked up.
When they stop working, it's time to replace them.
Sometimes a hard smack will get them working again.
You can put a big load into them.
It's important to keep them isolated to avoid unwanted coupling.
Two, side by side, will pull a bigger load.
They will blow if you give them a lot of juice.
If you are drunk and don't notice the extra lead, you can mistake a tranny for one.
Nobody will feel sorry for it if you run a knife through it 18 times.
…who knew there were so many?
10:34 am on March 24th, 2009 53
Toooooooooooooooooooo funny. My favorite: Two, side by side, will pull a bigger load, plus Sometimes a hard smack will get them working again.
1:07 pm on March 24th, 2009 54
ROFLAMO… nice CH.. If I remember right the old (vulgar) saying to remember the color coding was…(correct if needed it been a while).
Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Give Willing.. forgot the multiplier and percentages..
1:55 pm on March 24th, 2009 55
Maui… try these.
Bar Bitches Rob Osan's Young Guys By Viciously Gaming Whitey
Bad Bars Rate Off-limits Yet Get By Vigorously Golfing Weekly
Monitoring a CNC mill gives waaaaaay too much time to think.
8:33 pm on March 24th, 2009 56
Pete,
I wonder if this guy just did'nt fail his unit altogether. Some people are just idiots, with little that can be done for them. Stabbing her in public? Sounds like an idiotic move to me.
At least the girl will be OK. Scarred, but OK.
9:43 pm on April 3rd, 2009 57
So. What ever happened over all this?
Current questions include…
1. Is she out of the hospital yet?
2. Did the military take care of her?
Historical questions include…
1. What was her relationship with the stabber?
2. What did it mean "her contract was settled" at her former bar… meaning, did someone pay it off?
11:20 pm on April 3rd, 2009 58
Well lets just set the record straight for all those that care to know. She was working in the bar as a bartender and not as a "Juicy Girl". She was also not under contract, just an employee. She is in Korea on a work visa as she used to be married to military, but is no longer, she is here legally. As for being romanticaly involved with the guy that stabbed her, hell no. He was a friend of her ex-boyfriend from about 3 years ago. He had bought her drinks and hung out at the bar, but that is all there ever was. He wanted to have a relationship with her but she is already in a relationship with someone and has been for about 6 months. He cornered her after curfew and followed her to her home to retrieve an i-pod, then at her front door, he pulled the knife and said either come back to my hotel with me or I will kill you. She said o.k. after he slit her neck with the knife. When she got to the end of the alley, she tried to run and get away but he chased her down, pushed her to the ground and began to stab her another 17 times, until the 2 Korean guys stepped in to save her. She ran to the nearest club, and they were able to call an ambulance and got her to the hospital in the nick of time.
She is now doing well. She is out of the hospital, but still recovering. The Army did step up and pay all her hospital bills. I hope this settles the rumors running around out there. The reason i know this info is because she is sitting right here next to me as I type this information. Thank you all for your thoughts and prayers in her time of need. Later.
11:50 pm on April 3rd, 2009 59
I'm glad she recovered.
Its too bad that Mr. Yoon wasn't on the receiving end of that knife blade. He is the organized crime pimp-douchebag who supplies so many of the girls in the Sinjang-dong, Anjung-ri and some other towns down south. He is easy to recognize, as he always wears a too-shiny gray or silver suit, dark glasses at night, and he is surrounded by 3 or 4 other Korean wanna-be crime-thugs who sneer and make jokes about the Americans and Filipinos walking around town.
He has a little office on the main road 2 or 3 blocks South of Songtan bus station. His company name is "CEN" and he is still operating on an illegal Korean passport when he visits the Philippines… and the Philippine Embassy knows this. Money takes care of so many things here in Korea.
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Word on the street is she was working here illegally. Knowing Songtan as I do I believe it.
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3:01 pm on April 6th, 2009 72
Ferque,
“Word on the street is she was working here illegally.”
Hmmm… Let’s take a look from the horse’s mouth.
“She is in Korea on a work visa as she used to be married to military, but is no longer, she is here legally.”
If I understand this correctly, her contract was “settled” by some poor GI who married her and got her a SOFA visa. She got divorced and remained in Korea at which point… uh… it kinda breaks down there.
Upon divorce from "military" the Koreans don't step in and give a no-contract work visa which allows a foreigner to freelance in a small bar.
Nor does a non-canceled SOFA visa allow one to work legally.
I’m not exactly going to hold this against her… but the actual situation should be clear to all. This kind of misrepresentation makes other representations suspect.
So… no. She was not working here “legally” since no mechanism exists to do so in her reported situation… and she likely still had base access from her former marriage… which we have seen before in similar situations.
Honestly, I have not been presented with any reason to think she wasn’t a run-of-the-mill predator. Being formerly married to military kinda reinforces that idea…
…and, I will almost always support the American GI over the TCN barwhoore… a concept not everyone here seems to agree with… for whatever reason…
…personally, I think it is because they aren’t getting enough and have to appear “cool” and “supportive” to anything female with the hope they will get a pity-fcuk or something.
We have all seen this pathetic dynamic in action.
Anyway, eventually, the truth will come out… if we pester it.
4:07 am on April 7th, 2009 73
What a cowardly forum this is.
4:28 am on April 7th, 2009 74
When a forum permits its contributors to indiscriminately bash a group of people (such as Filipina bar girls) but prohibits objections because it views certain objections are "personal attacks", you can rest assured that you're dealing with a site run by a cowardly hypocrite.
Here's a news flash for you…bashing Filipina bar girls based on irrational generalizations fits the very definition of "personal attack".
Oh, I guess now I'm risking my permission to post on this site…
My, my, my…what will I do after I've been banned?
Uh…gee…I don't know? Maybe find something far better to do with my time?
Yup. That's it.
This forum is worthless anyhow. I only stopped in because I was looking for something else and I happen to personally know quite a few of the Filipinas working in Songtan.
5:03 am on April 7th, 2009 75
Sorry China, but a personal attack is where you attack someone PERSONALLY.
Public bashing of Filipina girls in a forum or blog for whatever reasons is an example of a stereotype. You know, like saying Jewish people are stingy and/or Filipina bar girls are deceitful liars and will ruin your life.
A politically correct way to convey the dangers of the ville would go like this – "Guys, most of you are young and here on a short tour. When you go off this installation there are a lot of business establishments with young ladies brought to work in them from the Philippines. These people will be dishonest with you in an attempt to remove as much money from your wallet as they possibly can. I'm here to tell you there are much more productive ways to spend your time here in Korea, and you'll leave here a lot richer person in many more ways than one."
See how boring that is? I'd rather see someone tell it like it is – Guys, these girls will fwuk your life up if you go near them!
12:10 pm on April 7th, 2009 76
While chinaehanun jeedoh jah certainly attacked me personally with words like "Chickenturd" and "Chickenass", he certainly made points that were worthy of evaluation and comment by the general forum-reading public.
I hope his posts were not deleted to save me from offense… and I hope he will more clearly re-post some of his points with more mild and generalized language so we may all reconsider them.
My reply, in questioning his manhood, was certainly a personal attack possibly worthy of deletion by the admin.
Allow me to speak in generalities which do not attack anyone personally.
"Men" who are in the habit of paying for girls to hang out and talk to them… with poverty-stricken girls who's exact job and only purpose is publicly known to be exchanging companionship and conversation for money… lack the judgment necessary to determine who is a "good girl" and who isn't.
This goes double if they brag about how much money they spend in once sentence and then brag about how close of friends these great girls are in the next.
This goes triple in a country like Korea where there are entire universities filled with nursing students and future teachers who, in the interests of language and cultural exchange, will buy you dinner and drinks and mark it up as a cut-rate private English conversation lesson… and, if any relationship develops, it is based on your merits as a human being (or skill as a man) and not as a generic bank account holder… which any warm-bodied, club-footed, hare-lipped, vestigial-tailed loser can be.
4:57 pm on April 7th, 2009 77
Let me list the lies.
1. She's a nice girl
2. She's working here legally.
3. She didn't do anything wrong.
4. She's just a bartender.
5. Mamasan has to pay her hospital bills.
6. She's not a hooerr
9:41 pm on April 7th, 2009 78
SK1NK0,
Add one to the list…
"He had bought her drinks and hung out at the bar, but that is all there ever was."
Why?
"followed her to her home to retrieve an i-pod"
re·trieve (r-trv)
v. re·trieved, re·triev·ing, re·trieves
v.tr.
1. To get back; regain.
The Bamboo Telegraph also says there was something going on between the two…
…although the Bamboo Telegraph frequently lies if there is a possibility of sabotaging a girl who looks like she might escape from the sh!thole through marriage… in which case she might "think she is better than us". And we can't have that.
This is one of the truly self-destructive and nationally-limiting aspects of Philippine (and Hispanic) culture. (I'll be happy to discuss this more if anyone disagrees).
Anyway…
A little research indicates The Actual Truth is The Someone from "she is already in a relationship with someone and has been for about 6 months". This probably means The Story is what she says it is and what he wants to believe.
I can only fit the given pieces of information together and rely on probability and experience to understand the true situation, but as of now my best advice is…
Save yourself, brother.
You could be fibbing to us about her work visa status… or she could be fibbing to you. If that is the case, you might want to look a little more closely at what she tells you for your own good.
5:03 am on April 12th, 2009 79
Good point about the flips sabotaging each other.
A source recently told me she's been seen walking around the ville, apparently recovering nicely. Same source told me she resisted a bar fine from the assailant (he's of Moroccan descent) earlier that fateful evening and shortly after he went OJ on her near Join Us club.
8:44 pm on April 12th, 2009 80
This Week's "Humor": Moroccan GIs
Q: How many Moroccan GIs does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Two. One to unscrew the light bulb and one to kill the juice.
Q: How do we know the Moroccan GIs was stingy?
A: He tried to take the girl to a motel without even giving the bar owner a cut.
Q: How can you tell the difference between a Filipina juicy and a Moroccan GI?
A: Determine which one is on the pointy end of the knife.
Q: So, a German, a Frenchman and a Moroccan GI go to a Mozart concert. Who left early?
A: The Moroccan. He prefers Chopin'.
Q: Why are there no Moroccan GI golf pros?
A: They slice on all 18 holes.
Q: What is the difference between the beginning of a football game and a date with a Moroccan GI?
A: At the beginning of a football game, they flip a quarter.
Q: How is a Filipina juicy like an Ozzy Osborne concert?
A: They are both filled with mo' rockin' metal.
Q: How is a Moroccan GI like President Obama?
A: They both have roots in Africa and got where they are by running after bush.
5:18 am on April 19th, 2009 81
That was some good jokes…Where did you get that? Everyone stay away from J_U_Ice. My friend called them that after we were told we weren't allowed to call them juicy. Man I just left Korea not too long ago and it's ruined my bank account, not through Juicies FYI. I had a few gfs that were bartenders or shop tenders. And I partied every day. I'm flip, at first I was feeling the pain of what those juicies go through but after knowing what they do to guys, wasn't feeling their pain anymore.
6:36 am on April 19th, 2009 82
I think it would be a very generous gesture from the Korean Government to clean up the Villes. As Korea has become a richer country the Villes have plummeted into filthy ghettos. Beggars, bums, thieves, run down bars, filthy trash in the streets, and pregnant filipinas everywhere.
I bet you'll never see a U.S. politician or a high ranking policy maker checking what the Koreans offer to the young men who serve to protect this corrupt country.
I was walking from the Songtan bus terminal (heading towards Songtan) late the other night and there were a couple of hired Koreans cleaning up the streets. The closer I got to the Songtan Main Gate (thus, the ville) the dirtier the street became. No more street cleaners in sight, it was like I was sinking into a morass of shite the closer I got until Voila! I was indeed in a nasty ghetto right outside the Osan Main Gate. Thankfully, once I got onto Osan AB proper I could breathe a sigh of relief that I was away from the trash again.
11:26 am on April 19th, 2009 83
"Everyone stay away from J_U_Ice. My friend called them that after we were told we weren’t allowed to call them juicy. "
That's interesting. Who said you weren't allowed to call them juicy?
9:06 pm on April 19th, 2009 84
I once killed seven rats that I had trapped in my garbage can. In trying to kill them I initially set off one of those whole house "bug bombs" and tossed in the garbage can. It didn't kill any of the rats. I finally took a "straight hoe" garden tool and chopped them in half (The fumes from that bug bomb made tough)
From this experience I learned that you sometimes have to use the most definite solution first.
3:17 am on April 20th, 2009 85
Lemmy,
Two years ago there were many cats in the neighborhood. Somebody poisoned them. I came out in the middle of a rainstorm and there was a dead cat in front of my door… stiff with matted fur. I turned to my wife. "Be careful. A dog will fall out of the cloud soon." She got it.
A year later, there was a serious rat problem in the neighborhood.
Last spring, the weather was great and I opened all the doors in my house. I was working in the Electronics Workshop which has a door to the Great Hall and I saw movement out of the corner of my eye. About the third time this happened, I looked up in time to see a big, fat rat running in the door and stealing food from my puppy's bowl. I put down my soldering iron and closed all doors to every room.
The next time he came in, I closed the outside door and trapped him in the Great Hall. After a few minutes of nonproductive Rat Chasing With a Meter of 8mm Bolt Stock(tm), I decided to take care of business. I got a piece of heavy cardboard and covered it with a brushstroke of industrial adhesive. The rat glared at me with apprehensive suspicion.
I set it along the wall where the rat had run before. I chased him again. Sure enough, he crossed the cardboard… and stuck.
Rats can open their mouth widely. Angry, frightened rats can open them even wider. They are full of pointy rodent teeth… probably brimming with contamination and disease. They are better to stay in the rat's mouth than my finger.
The plan was to drop the rat in a plastic bag, fill it with LPG or water and call it a day. But the rat was only half-stuck on the cardboard. I couldn't pick him up easily without him turning and biting me. The solution… obviously… was to kill him where he sat.
When catching a big fish, one must be careful. I'm talking about BIG fish. They will flop around in the boat. They will tear up your boat and break your legs. You use a fish bat. I decided on a RatBat(tm).
A ball peen hammer came to mind. I have a set of 5. Three of them are still unused and in plastic. I selected one. My wife screamed, "NO! He will bleed!" I ignored her. I hit the rat square on the top of the head.
Problem solved.
No.
Blood flowed from his mouth and nose… eyes and ears, maybe. And he lurched around… flailing from side to side. And 500ccs of rat seemed to splatter and spill a couple liters of bright red blood all over the floor… spraying in every direction as he screamed and hissed and leaked.
My wife was screaming, too.
I might have been screaming but I won't admit it.
It was a pretty horrible sight.
I hit it again… a glancing blow… but it did no good except to spatter even more rat blood.
I knew what I had to do.
I ran to the Shop and selected the medium nail gun. I ran back to the Electronics Workshop and grabbed the air hose. I approached the rat. He was still hissing, still bleeding and still flailing. I stuck the nail gun in his face. He opened his bloody mouth wider than I thought possible and bit down on it… tearing gleaming metallic lines through the black paint with little yellow teeth… soaked in blood and backed up by a full dose of panic.
I pulled the trigger. The nail went into his mouth and came out his cheek. He continued to bite down on the nail gun… shaking from side to side. I pulled the trigger again and the second nail stuck out the back of his neck… missing the spine and the few other vital structures located there. The rat was a frenzied blur of movement, red mist and gleaming metal.
My wife screamed louder in proportion to the growing pool of blood and, even worse, growing diameter of bloody splatter.
The adhesive was starting to let go. The rat had worked much of his body off the cardboard and was able to partially crawl away. The bloody pool was developing a streak as he moved away from it.
I pulled back and fired again. The nail stuck in his chest and secured him to the floor. It appeared to only go through the skin. I fired once more. The nail stuck in his body but he didn't move any less.
My wife was still screaming. But it wasn't reflecting the horror I felt. It was in anger. "I told you not to hit him with the hammer! What were you thinking?"
I fired again. The nail stuck through him… in one side and out the other… yet he refused to die… or even show signs of impairment.
Blood continued to flow and splatter. Rat blood. Nasty, dirty, filthy rat blood.
I took a deep breath and aimed carefully… allowing firearms training to guide my movements as I slowly squeezed the trigger.
Headshot.
Man had triumphed over Rat… and all movement ceased instantly.
All that was left was 30 minutes of cleaning blood and glue while my wife glared over me with arms crossed and a told-you-so snare.
There is a lesson here… but I'm damned if I know what it is. Next time, I'm going to pick it up with the tongs ajashi uses to pull cigarette butts out of the urinal and drop it in a bucket of water.
I don't even know why I'm telling this story.
Maybe to remind everyone that, no matter how terrible it seems at the time, it's OK to kill a rat in the house. Just do it right.
9:21 am on April 20th, 2009 86
That was ghoulish. Don't try writing children's stories.
8:22 pm on April 24th, 2009 87
"That was ghoulish. Don’t try writing children’s stories."
An excerpt from:
Foxy Juice in Thigh-high Socks
By Dr. Juess
And here's a new trick for your cr?tch….
T?ts on Flips and Flips with tw?ts.
Flips with t?ts and tw?ts on c?cks.
I knock one off in Flip ch?ck's b?x..
Now we come to cl?ts and c?cks, sir.
Try to do this with your cr?tch, sir….
C?cks in Flips spit.
C?cks in slot flop.
Six sick Flips drip.
Six sick c?cks rot.
Please, sir. I don't like this trick, sir.
My tongue isn't quick or slick, sir.
I get all those cl?ts and tw?ts, sir,
mixed up with the d?cks and c?cks, sir.
I can't do it, with my cr?tch, sir.
…I can go on all day with this kind of stuff. I should illustrate it and sell it in front of the Main Gate next to copies of Keys to the Kingdom. I just won't hold my breath for the Disney special.
8:43 pm on April 24th, 2009 88
Awwww… it loses it's impact when the Unicode characters don't come out. Let's try again.
“That was ghoulish. Don’t try writing children’s stories.”
An excerpt from:
Foxy Juice in Thigh-high Socks
By Dr. Juess
And here’s a new trick for your cr0tch….
T!ts on Flips and Flips with tw@ts.
Flips with t!ts and tw@ts on c0cks.
I knock one off in Flip chick’s box..
Now we come to cl!ts and c0cks, sir.
Try to do this with your cr0tch, sir….
C0cks in Flips spit.
C0cks in slot flop.
Six sick Flips drip.
Six sick c0cks rot.
Please, sir. I don’t like this trick, sir.
My tongue isn’t quick or slick, sir.
I get all those cl!ts and tw@ts, sir,
mixed up with the d!cks and c0cks, sir.
I can’t do it, with my cr0tch, sir.
…I can go on all day with this kind of stuff. I should illustrate it and sell it in front of the Main Gate next to copies of Keys to the Kingdom. I just won’t hold my breath for the Disney special.
1:16 pm on May 14th, 2009 89
Man, I'm pretty blown by alot of responses on here. Look, I was in Korea from `95-`97 and had a complete BLAST. I never paid for sex. I did smash a few promiscuous women (Filipinas looking for fun, Korean college girls, teachers, etc.) along the way, too. There IS no excuse for what that guy did. I was given the whole drop on juicy girls before I left AIT. I've always had a true player's logic and I've never been a trick. I've always been able to get what I wanted from whatever type of girl over there without dropping cash. The guy had a weak-@$$ mind – POINT BLANK. He KNEW what he was possibly getting into before he even spoke to her – regardless of what type of girl she was. And I'll even give her the benefit of the doubt. Even a good Filipina will play a sucker – they're TAUGHT how to do that before they leave the PI. But half of them aren't really out to grab a GI and come to the US. It doesn't even matter what political issues are attached to this murder.. The fact that it happened should have us all angered and disappointed in the GI who did it. I used to frequent Songtan and I never remember it being like that. I'm sad to know things have gone sour in Songtan, Anjungri and even Itaewon. I guess if soldiers spent more time exploring the country like a tourist does instead of getting drunk and hanging out in bars ALL THE TIME, they'd get that overall beautiful experience of Korea that still lingers in the back of my mind.
1:19 pm on May 14th, 2009 90
correction on the time spent over there.. it was `05 – `07 hehe
4:52 am on June 12th, 2009 91
It's just now that I am hearing about this story of a Filippina juicy girl who got stabbed by a US soldier. It really bothers me to know that the majority of Koreans would never have any sympathy for her because the majority of Koreans have proven themselves to be the most xenaphobic people in Asia (worse than the Japanese). If this happened to a Korean woman, this would have made headlines on KBS. Somehow I wished that Kim Il Sung would have been successful by making the entire Korean Pennensula a communist state, because an incident like this would never happen in North Korea. Well that's because they don't hire Filippinas to be exploited anyway.
5:07 am on June 12th, 2009 92
"this would have made headlines on KBS. "
It would be headlines, but I don't know how much the society would care.
That was one of the odd things about anti-US culture in the late 1990s. They went nuts over the 2000 water dumping case and I'd seen the over-react to others. But, I saw a couple of murders of prostitutes barley catch the attention of my adult students and barely make a dent in the press.
The Markle murder case is the only one I can think of where a Korean woman like that had her murder cause a significant spike in anti-US activity and that was due mostly to the graphic details of what was done to the body.
And this is odd because one of the frequently cited justifications for anti-USFK attitudes is that GIs rape and kill several Korean women each year. I've had students tell me the number is as high as 15 year – but the government "covers it up."
5:20 am on June 12th, 2009 93
Sheldon,
Two koreans got stabed and seriously injured protecting her.
The soldier is the criminal but you chose to insult the koreans instead. Do you really know what xenophobia means? Based on your comment you must be korean.
By the way, I wonder if the filipino comunity in Korea ever thanked the injured koreans.
10:25 am on June 12th, 2009 94
Dr. Yu and USinKorea: that was called "troll bait" ~ and you both bit on it.
1:50 pm on June 12th, 2009 95
Not entirely…
If you've watched Korean society grossly exaggerate such things as the threat of US beef or the bombing range saga or the 2000 water dumping case — it is reasonable to guess that they would also go nuts about a GI killing a Korean woman.
But, in reality, at least from the 3 or 4 cases I can think of where the Korean woman was a bargirl or other type of prostitute, Korean society didn't go nuts.
So, it seems the overall tendency of the society in regards to sex crimes and/or crimes against prostitutes out weighs the tendency to bash the US in Korea.
6:17 am on January 28th, 2010 96
[...] GI Stabs Juicy Girl [...]
8:40 am on August 1st, 2010 97
Q: What is the difference between Filipina juicies and onions?
A: I don't cry when I cut up juicies.
11:47 am on August 1st, 2010 98
It amazes me how stupid some people can be. You meet a woman in a bar who sells her body for a living & then you WANT TO MARRY HER or have a relationship with her, after maybe dozens of guys have had a crack at her? This GI just ruined his life over some pogee, I'm glad the girl lived, otherwise the GI would have had it much worse for murder. I hope when & if she recovers that she get in to another line of work. With her experience she could get a job in a butcher shop.
2:28 pm on August 1st, 2010 99
CH, Nice one!
Tom L: Just dozens? Me thinks you underestimate the capacity of a juicy service life, it's probably hundreds.
6:24 pm on August 1st, 2010 100
Tom L: didn't you mean a meat market?
7:18 pm on August 1st, 2010 101
garbage dirty filipinos…i treat them like shit and beat them all the time
10:57 am on August 2nd, 2010 102
Now I believe, Some of you have shown your true intelligence or lack there of. Read what this article is about you little boys. And I do not mean many of you. It is a sad time when a woman is attacked but it takes a certain type of individual to cut a woman or any other human in non war or self defense situation. You BSTRDS that want to analyze why this happened,, well lets say this,, I would dearly love to get in a ring with you. As in a fair fight you would be lost. As for the fact that if this woman was Korean there would be hell to pay. That is a certainty as well as a sad fact. And I'm not thanking anyones God that she wasn't a Korean woman. Do any of you actually believe any God distincts an attack on a woman by race or job? That is a human trait and big point of this damn good article. This woman should be treated like any other woman that was brutally attacked. And Hey you, that wrote above post about folks marrying woman who have sold their favors? You are an Ignorant being of some sort. What makes her different because she has been with many or a few men? You think allot like the Green river Killer. He only Killed 48 Hookers from the ages of 16 to 50. Do you know what love is? Or do you live with the fear that if you actually love that person she will hurt you? Fool. In some time she is completely yours if that is what you and she chooses. You will know right away if you can not win her heart. When you gonna get it figured out that life isn't where you are it is where you are going? We had this happen a few times when I was in Korea. Every damn time the guy was Insane. One I know of got away with it. I looked him up a few years ago. Guess what? He had started doing the same thing right back home on white women. Maybe not so bad if they were native American or maybe Mexican? When This happens to a Korean woman again, there will be hell to pay. Just as there would be if it happened to an American white woman. Some of these posts are actually sickening and not just to me but to passers by. How bout you tell everyone on a different post site what some of you wrote right here. Same small minds at work on every subject but I really did not think some of you to be so disgusting. The being that write post about truth. Wow you must be very religious with all that honesty! Small minds put out small thoughts not worthy of rethinking. There by the grace of God go you!
1:08 pm on August 2nd, 2010 103
I just love the hypocrisy of it all.
Here we are, two Koreans, one of them a KATUSA and another a naturalized immigrant Korean, seriously injuring themselves risking their lives saving a Filipino – the people who the GI's here say are being discriminated by Koreans. YET, just read the entire 100+ thread and see what kind of garbage GI's (who supposedly care so much about these poor downtrodden Filipinos in Korea being discriminated by big bad Koreans) who say she deserved to get stabbed. Even if she was a whore, and at this point, that isn't even a sure fire bet, she does not deserve to get stabbed 17 times in the back.
What this leads me to believe.. well not really, I know for sure, because I was a KATUSA myself and dealt with you disgusting meat heads and your arrogance, that how you look down on people and other cultures.. how dare you be a moral judgment to say Koreans look down Philippinos and that no Koreans care about Filipinos? Have you looked at yourselves in the mirrors lately? What about you guys? You guys are even worse! I know all this political correctness Bull shit you guys peddle in the blogs and in the media, vs how you guys talk in real life, and what you guys believe in. You guys are the biggest hypocrites that the planet has ever seen.
My god, I never had such a hard laugh, GI pretending to care how much Koreans don't care about Filipinos, when GI's themselves could care less about these girls other than getting some two bit tricks over few dollars… the mindset of seeing women as sex machines designed for them.. Don't make me laugh, all this incident is being used is to bash Koreans with and deflect criticism of American KKK GI's.
1:38 pm on August 2nd, 2010 104
Here we are, two Koreans, one of them a KATUSA and another a naturalized immigrant Korean, seriously injuring themselves risking their lives saving a Filipino – the people who the GI’s here say are being discriminated by Koreans. YET, just read the entire 100+ thread and see what kind of garbage GI’s (who supposedly care so much about these poor downtrodden Filipinos in Korea being discriminated by big bad Koreans) who say she deserved to get stabbed.
Screw you all for making me agree with Tom.
3:09 pm on August 2nd, 2010 105
Like a blood-in-the-water feeding frenzy. Very primal, isn't it? Should notify National Geographic.
3:37 pm on August 2nd, 2010 106
I agree with you Duffy. The shallowness and ignorance and racism shown by some of these posters is really disgusting and dirsturbing. If some of these posters are military/DoD..which a lot are…it would be nice to see them reported to EEO.
8:54 pm on August 2nd, 2010 107
I agree.
This has all been so terrible… the very lowest of human nature.
Of course, anything offensive I might have posted was only testing to see what kind of sick thoughts I could pull from the vile scum that post here.
My suspicions were confirmed. Sick and heartless perverts… all of you. Absolutely disgusting.
Korea, Filipina, Russian or American… it doesn't matter. Show some compassion. They are people, too!
They are human beings with human values and emotions… setting aside animalistic selfishness and perusing honest endeavors for the betterment of their fellow humans.
They are not vicious and heartless animals on the hunt… looking for weak and unaware prey… putting aside morality and the concepts of right and wrong that keep us above the beasts as they drain the life from those they pursue.
Because, if that were the case, I'd feel no more pity than if I had swatted a mosquito feasting uninvited on my blood…
…except the mosquito wouldn't have led me on, ruined my whole life, weakened my military and cost my country a good deal of time and money.
Hmmm. That wasn't such a good argument, was it?
On second thought, maybe some stabbiness has its place now and then… if for no other reason than to keep the rest of the wolves back at the timberline.
Anybody that has been around the juice scene for very long has seen these girls pull stunts that deserve much more than a dozen and a half stab wounds.
I wonder if all the shock and outrage would fade away if they had to walk in her ex-husband's shoes.
I don't have an ex-wife and I have never been taken by a juicy… but I have seen the unnecessary yet intentional devastation enough to wish nothing but ill for many (but not all) of them.
And, one other thing… if you are one of these Poor Juicy Can Do No Wrong apologists who don't see all the suckers… then, well, you probably ARE the sucker.
5:49 pm on August 15th, 2010 108
KATUSA You go to far with non seeing BS. The article is spot on. KATUSA: Korean soldier from family that has a bit more money than average family, still serving but not like ROK soldier. Hell NO!!! BTW NEVER EVER Did I see KATUSA in GI Villes when I was in KOREA. If you think for one minute this article is untrue in the way people are treated your full of yourself. One: KATUSA was to good for those Korean woman though some had caused some of the girls to end up in these Villes because they took the girls virginity which then Korean man would have no part of a woman who was not Virgin . Olma probably didn't like girl anyway. Real smart. You have to have a virgin? How many of you are still that stupid? I married a Virgin when I was seventeen. Well maybe she was when i first met her. She is the only one that would sy for sure. Point is We were divorced by time we were twenty. She had the need to find out, so did I. Anyway, So your Confucianist ways have confused you as did many Korean men letting you allow your women to take a great Hit for the common good of your country. Then look down on them. Speak truth not small version of of what you will allow into your mind. I guess the Korean women don't do that now. And that is exactly what part of this articles truth is about. If it Had been a Korean Girl all hell would have broke loose. It wasnt like that when I was in Korea but is now . See you gotta make up for that which some of you act like did not happen. (Korean women on open market). That is how it was!! But they were the heroins after war not the constructionist fathers or club owners. The Korean girls were the cause for the large money circulation in your country that I love. That is how it was from post war to mid 90s. Any of them that didnt manage to get married to GI and served in those villes for much time deserves respect at very least KATUSA. You wouldn't know about that because you were sitting in the barracks listening to BS GIs had to say after going to Ville or getting ready to go. Don't make me tell how you entertained yourselves. I have nothing against KATUSA I am just trying to clarify your viewpoint.
CH, You still need a life. Your words are foolish and foul. You and anyone that makes any excuse for an attack on a woman is sick. Especially the type attack that took place. Get the Shiite out of your eyes and hearts and look at whole picture. No Juice girl makes any GI sit his ass down there and spend money. And if some idiot feels jilted it does not give him the right to attempt murder in any manner. What happened to serve and protect? You do what you want with your time off if you cant make command change the way those clubs are, don't go to them!!! Do you know what your Bitching about this subject has produced? NADA!!! I know one thing for certain they are the way are because they can be. If all of you ban them they will change and damn fast. I wouldn't spend time there. I would find a spot for certain that would be honest and fair. Its all mixed up in the Villes and that sucks because with the leader ship we have in DC. There will be allot of people hurt and maybe Killed in Korea as well as other countries. BTW In truth: Not one of you has any right to bitch about this when we have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. You have to be smarter than the juice bars, and prejudiced people allow to turn you into fools.
6:16 pm on August 15th, 2010 109
Duffy… dude.
You know those Breath-a-lizer things repeat offenders have to blow into before their cars will start?
You should look into attaching one to your mouse and keyboard.
"The life you save1 might be your own."
1 from ridicule
9:34 pm on August 15th, 2010 110
I agree that some of the stunts the juicy whores pull are off the charts in unacceptable behavior. I haven't had too many bad experiences but I've been out and about and seen what some of these vile creatures try to pull off. True, a lot of the young GI's are naive and inexperienced (to the point of embarrassment) but there's no way they should be subjected to such an organized scam. And in no way do I condone or encourage violence upon these diabolical creatures but I do UNDERSTAND IT. This attack on the Filipina girl shows the WILDCARD in the slimy juicy whore game. And honestly, if there were more attacks like this it would even the score to the point that it wouldn't be so bad in them thar Villes. Okay, I lied. I do encourage violence upon the worst of the worst.
4:13 am on August 16th, 2010 111
When I was stationed in Korea there weren't any Filipina or Russian girls working in the bars, all the 'buy me drinky' girls were Korean. All you had to do to avoid loosing your paycheck was to say 'NO'. The girls would go to the next guy & you could get sloshed in peace. If you wanted some pogee all you had to do was get a hooker & pay $10 for a 'shorttime' or $20 for an 'overnight'. You didn't have to take her out to eat or a movie, or pretend that you were interested in whatever she was talking about & after a few dates you might or might not score. It was here's the money & let's get right to the meat & potatoes. These girls may be sleazeballs but there is NO justification for violence. I hope that the GI who did this gets the maximum penalty allowed by law & I hope the victim gets healed & can move on with her life. If the command is not briefing their troops on these girls then they need to start.
8:03 am on August 16th, 2010 112
Tom,
At least on Osan, "command" has typically played golf and attended back-scratching dinners with their "good neighbors" who have been getting very rich by cheating the commanded out of a great deal of money for the promise of sex.
As competitive affordable prostitution is off-limits and actively patrolled, that leaves GI Joe the choice of a large up-front fee to the Good Neighbors or the (false) hope of a discount via a "real relationship" on the juice-based installment plan.
The Good Neighbors take advantage of young, lonely, vulnerable and naive men who get a half-hearted briefing but no real leadership or guidance even when everyone can see them ruining their lives and destroying their families chasing an illusion.
I'm growing increasingly less interested and distant from the Osan/Songtan gossip chain… and my impression is that, after Leon LePorte left, this type of corruption in USFK has been slowly reducing…
…but that is the way it ran for a long time… and there are still remnants of that system which can be expanded upon by others here closer to the action.
11:23 am on August 16th, 2010 113
CH, Seems You don't like truth. Thats okay. Anyway I see you have some reasoning going for you when you wrote this last post to Tom. I'm not trying to save anyone nor are you at this point, and we are not in a contest. We are arguing the facts of what took place. BTW I dont hate you but do not like the way some posters take light the situation of attempted murder, and the truth of prejudice in situation. Making excuses for murder is putting the knife in your hand and listen to one thing. You just may get someone killed with your agreeing with the attack on a woman who happened to do some shit you dont like. BTW I like the Key board idea but my idea is if they had something to hook up to key board it would best be for BS and hatred. You might not get on.Then that wouldn't be right either because everyone still has the right to speak in our system and after all even after you get angry you occasionally say something that makes sense to even me. I don't know though. People rig those things in their cars and you would probably figure a way to rig that so you could continue your campaign on the right to maim and or murder a woman who you feel deserves it anyway. I still say any of you great strong people that say killing would "Even the score" are the same people that have been separated from their money. Tom L, It was the same for me when I was in Korea. My wifes sister came here two months ago and has told my wife, and I the Villes are really foul. She is one of the girls we knew when we were in Korea and hates the way it is now so not all Korean people agree with this ether. She doesn't live near GI villes anymore and we will keep her if we can. I have two bright lights in my home now. Both with earlier Korean women Ideas but solidly want to give and receive love. I don't get these attitudes of killing woman being okay regardless of the situation. No one is tied to the seats. I do see the lure of the clubs as great problem that damn well needs to be dealt with. But sheeit the way things are in our command it wont happen. Ya I'm sorry you people in Korea don't have better places to go, and better leadership. In fact it angers me. It gets right down to our incredibly hard leftist leadership. Ya I know Bush was not Left. It started before him! Clinton was and his wife hangs out in Korea quite allot, and without a clue. Young GIs can not make their commanders make changes. And Allot of lifers don't care about their troops that is if it is still the way it was when I was in military. Some lifers do but most do not even care if a young soldier walks off a cliff in off time. The higher ranked lifer enlisted men need to initiate change and set examples. Now ya all got me to attack so leave the women alone. You can even send me your money if ya want. That is a Joke so do not take me serious. I mean about the money. I bet not allot of GIs extend for more duty in Korea like we used to do. It was the best duty a soldier could get. It really sucks that the villes are so bad. But Killing is not the answer. Guess what. GIs killed when we had awesome duty in Korea and I bet you that make excuses for Killing a woman would have made excuses for those guys also.
4:11 pm on August 16th, 2010 114
Duffy,
Don't mistake my lack of concern for advocacy.
What happened has happened. I would rather the Rule of Law take care of it… but that's not the way it worked out.
It certainly isn't my fault or responsibility. I can only react… and react, I shall.
I can't feel sorry for someone who does the things many of these girls do… even if the price they pay seems disproportionate.
Maybe the punk kid doesn't deserve both barrels in the face when he climbs through the old woman's window… or maybe he does. Maybe the summation of misery he will cause in his lifetime is greater than the injustice of execution for a single burglary.
And maybe the misery some of these girls have/will cause in their career is deserving of a quick end… as it betters the world around them and allows the advancement of better people.
That's not for me to decide… so I don't go around slicing up bargirls in the Ville or hitting Lt. Davis in the back of the head with a hammer as he walks down a street.
But when God, or Fate or the statistical Karma of screwing over a large enough sample of the population catches up with an individual who is out to better themselves through the destruction of others, why should I express false sympathy when I feel only the peace of balance being restored in the world… and renewed faith in a systemic justice.
Somehow, a few posters here want to lump all women into the category of delicate little flower requiring protection… when, in fact, there are many predators in the group… who prey upon those who naively buy into the stereotype.
Duffy, to compare the "two bright lights" in your home with some of the selfish animals that roam the Villes preying upon the weak is an insult to the ladies in your life.
Like men, or organizations, or countries, some women are are more deserving of violence than others.
11:10 pm on August 16th, 2010 115
Well said ChickenHead. Well said. I agree 100%. I would agree 110%—but 100% is all I have.
"two bright lights"—"selfish animals" very well said.
2:15 am on August 17th, 2010 116
Duffy, Just so you know, there's no comeback to CH's post. Your done!!!
Think this way, "Anything goes with a Ho"….that will bring you down to earth.
3:01 am on August 17th, 2010 117
CH you are work in progress or maybe regress for sure, and now you have your Pat on the back. You both failed to read my words. To be expected from you Chicken, but ya never know for sure what you will get from Others. You have proved that you did not pay one bit of attention to what I said. DON'T EVER TELL ME THAT I COMPARED THE LADIES IN MY HOME TO THE LADIES YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT> First and foremost I told you these ladies came from a different time. Second Told you our sister told us the villes were foul and that she is very unhappy about that. Retired, you just proved my point about SOME lifers. And don't either of you twist my words this time. You still approve cruel stabbing of a female but now Pass the knife around in the guise of Karma. "Still Negative". Still evading issue of article that started this blog also. Who decides who deserves what as far as Karma, and when will you get what Karma owes you? After I told you this shit has been going on even in old days you still make argument for sake of arguing? I will not get graphic about some of the Killings that took place when I was in Korea and that was the good ol days. BTW CH, Please stick your head in my window you will be without it within seconds. Not that you need it anyway. And anyone that would do that to some old ladies as you put it. Well I know my mother wakes at the drop of pen and her shot gun is so quick to fire you would be looking for your ass just before you lost your head! Your Ideas suck and you will get no pat on the back from me with that crap. All reek of perversion. Now you have your Pat on the back from Retired you are fueled to go which makes another point. LIFERS, Some will give Pat on back just as long as you are a mean to their ends. AS soon as you are no use to them on to next who can further their time in service. NOW do not change my words. That is SOME as others are ready to give knowledge and make things better. I learned from a few good Lifers while in service. I learned from some from the selfish ones also. As stated above. I never Kissed ass and will not start at this point. The Lifers that respected those who failed to Kiss ass get my respect and I will retain some learning from them. Those are the people that do the work and get things done. If you find some of them you may do allot about any situation. I never feared anyone when I was in service and still do not. Knew my Job and that got me what I needed. In fact thinking back I would never have been in an argument such as this when I was on active duty. No time nor incentive. But continue your attack on me just fire straight you may find you can hit target better when using the sights.
3:21 am on August 17th, 2010 118
I had heard about how the bar scene outside the gate at
Osan had changed since I left back in 1983. Songtan used
to be a fun place to party – Actually, THE place to party. Part of the problem was the christian far right
getting into the "bar girl" issue. Yes, the "yellow slave" trade was bad. But, the way I looked at it – It
beat the hell out of picking rice. So, the base followed
the "bible thunpers" lead and made patronizing a hooker
illegal. I did a year in Thailand and two tours in Korea; face it – mix GIs with money and women and you
will have prostitution.
Look, why not just restrict everyone to base? Why, there
can be prayer meetings on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday and AA meetings on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. Sunday can be devoted to a whole day workshop on resisting the sin of masturbation.
Or better yet – Lets start a war with Iran so all off
those young guys can get their balls blown off and then
we won't have this problem.
Ron Axley
MSGT/USAF
Retired
Indianapolis
4:14 am on August 17th, 2010 119
Sarge, I ran Songtan between 78 and 83. Ya, It was a place to have fun. I was in Army and was at Humphreys but as you know thats smal just a bus or taxi ride to OSAN. Also I worked at OSAN occasionaly thus finding Songtan Ville. You could be correct about the far right Bible thumpers but it seems like allot politicians have fouled the Villes in Korea. Its not really clear to me if its the right or left. Dont trust any of them anymore. AS you know a service member needs to have fun. Woman and money are a big part of young soldiers fun. When we were in Korea we didnt have these juice girls these guys are talking about. At least I sure as hell dont remember them. We knew what to expect from the woman pretty much. Any of these people that have a hand in that change are the people that screw everything up thinking their ideas are the only ideas. Making a hooker illegal in these Villes is like telling GIs they arent suppose to love poontang. Dont work!! But by God they can do the "dont ask dont tell B.S". What I was saying in post above was my 52 year old Korean sister in law is discusted about the way the villes are now. She is not a Hooker. But she lived around the villes all her young life as her family was gone. so her and my wife learned the heart of the villes. Anyway we in my family feel the villes have been fouled up. Doesnt give excuse for what happened to the Philipino girl but it wa cool before. The girls in Korea are doing different things now. SO they are bringing girls and pimps in from these other places. Truthfully shit always happened to irls in tose villes . Shit happens to GIs also. I remember a guy that got his head split open by a brick of charcoal because two girls were fighting over him. He didnt even know why. That was me. I had troop in my squad that got cut length wise from his elbow to palm of hand. I barely got him out of Ville alive. That was done by Korean Nationals. Shit happens. But we still had way more fun than trouble. LIVE and let die. But I do not agree with stabbing women. Though I do see the predicament these guys are in and it sucks.