Comments on: Filipina Woman Stabbed By US Solider in Songtan http://rokdrop.com/2009/03/07/filipina-woman-stabbed-by-us-solider-in-songtan/ Korea From North to South Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:02:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Duffy http://rokdrop.com/2009/03/07/filipina-woman-stabbed-by-us-solider-in-songtan/comment-page-2/#comment-394955 Duffy Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:14:02 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=11776#comment-394955 Sarge, I ran Songtan between 78 and 83. Ya, It was a place to have fun. I was in Army and was at Humphreys but as you know thats smal just a bus or taxi ride to OSAN. Also I worked at OSAN occasionaly thus finding Songtan Ville. You could be correct about the far right Bible thumpers but it seems like allot politicians have fouled the Villes in Korea. Its not really clear to me if its the right or left. Dont trust any of them anymore. AS you know a service member needs to have fun. Woman and money are a big part of young soldiers fun. When we were in Korea we didnt have these juice girls these guys are talking about. At least I sure as hell dont remember them. We knew what to expect from the woman pretty much. Any of these people that have a hand in that change are the people that screw everything up thinking their ideas are the only ideas. Making a hooker illegal in these Villes is like telling GIs they arent suppose to love poontang. Dont work!! But by God they can do the "dont ask dont tell B.S". What I was saying in post above was my 52 year old Korean sister in law is discusted about the way the villes are now. She is not a Hooker. But she lived around the villes all her young life as her family was gone. so her and my wife learned the heart of the villes. Anyway we in my family feel the villes have been fouled up. Doesnt give excuse for what happened to the Philipino girl but it wa cool before. The girls in Korea are doing different things now. SO they are bringing girls and pimps in from these other places. Truthfully shit always happened to irls in tose villes . Shit happens to GIs also. I remember a guy that got his head split open by a brick of charcoal because two girls were fighting over him. He didnt even know why. That was me. I had troop in my squad that got cut length wise from his elbow to palm of hand. I barely got him out of Ville alive. That was done by Korean Nationals. Shit happens. But we still had way more fun than trouble. LIVE and let die. But I do not agree with stabbing women. Though I do see the predicament these guys are in and it sucks. Sarge, I ran Songtan between 78 and 83. Ya, It was a place to have fun. I was in Army and was at Humphreys but as you know thats smal just a bus or taxi ride to OSAN. Also I worked at OSAN occasionaly thus finding Songtan Ville. You could be correct about the far right Bible thumpers but it seems like allot politicians have fouled the Villes in Korea. Its not really clear to me if its the right or left. Dont trust any of them anymore. AS you know a service member needs to have fun. Woman and money are a big part of young soldiers fun. When we were in Korea we didnt have these juice girls these guys are talking about. At least I sure as hell dont remember them. We knew what to expect from the woman pretty much. Any of these people that have a hand in that change are the people that screw everything up thinking their ideas are the only ideas. Making a hooker illegal in these Villes is like telling GIs they arent suppose to love poontang. Dont work!! But by God they can do the "dont ask dont tell B.S". What I was saying in post above was my 52 year old Korean sister in law is discusted about the way the villes are now. She is not a Hooker. But she lived around the villes all her young life as her family was gone. so her and my wife learned the heart of the villes. Anyway we in my family feel the villes have been fouled up. Doesnt give excuse for what happened to the Philipino girl but it wa cool before. The girls in Korea are doing different things now. SO they are bringing girls and pimps in from these other places. Truthfully shit always happened to irls in tose villes . Shit happens to GIs also. I remember a guy that got his head split open by a brick of charcoal because two girls were fighting over him. He didnt even know why. That was me. I had troop in my squad that got cut length wise from his elbow to palm of hand. I barely got him out of Ville alive. That was done by Korean Nationals. Shit happens. But we still had way more fun than trouble. LIVE and let die. But I do not agree with stabbing women. Though I do see the predicament these guys are in and it sucks.

]]> By: Sarge http://rokdrop.com/2009/03/07/filipina-woman-stabbed-by-us-solider-in-songtan/comment-page-2/#comment-394952 Sarge Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:21:08 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=11776#comment-394952 I had heard about how the bar scene outside the gate at Osan had changed since I left back in 1983. Songtan used to be a fun place to party - Actually, THE place to party. Part of the problem was the christian far right getting into the "bar girl" issue. Yes, the "yellow slave" trade was bad. But, the way I looked at it - It beat the hell out of picking rice. So, the base followed the "bible thunpers" lead and made patronizing a hooker illegal. I did a year in Thailand and two tours in Korea; face it - mix GIs with money and women and you will have prostitution. Look, why not just restrict everyone to base? Why, there can be prayer meetings on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday and AA meetings on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. Sunday can be devoted to a whole day workshop on resisting the sin of masturbation. Or better yet - Lets start a war with Iran so all off those young guys can get their balls blown off and then we won't have this problem. Ron Axley MSGT/USAF Retired Indianapolis I had heard about how the bar scene outside the gate at

Osan had changed since I left back in 1983. Songtan used

to be a fun place to party – Actually, THE place to party. Part of the problem was the christian far right

getting into the "bar girl" issue. Yes, the "yellow slave" trade was bad. But, the way I looked at it – It

beat the hell out of picking rice. So, the base followed

the "bible thunpers" lead and made patronizing a hooker

illegal. I did a year in Thailand and two tours in Korea; face it – mix GIs with money and women and you

will have prostitution.

Look, why not just restrict everyone to base? Why, there

can be prayer meetings on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday and AA meetings on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. Sunday can be devoted to a whole day workshop on resisting the sin of masturbation.

Or better yet – Lets start a war with Iran so all off

those young guys can get their balls blown off and then

we won't have this problem.

Ron Axley

MSGT/USAF

Retired

Indianapolis

]]> By: Duffy http://rokdrop.com/2009/03/07/filipina-woman-stabbed-by-us-solider-in-songtan/comment-page-2/#comment-394951 Duffy Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:01:31 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=11776#comment-394951 CH you are work in progress or maybe regress for sure, and now you have your Pat on the back. You both failed to read my words. To be expected from you Chicken, but ya never know for sure what you will get from Others. You have proved that you did not pay one bit of attention to what I said. DON'T EVER TELL ME THAT I COMPARED THE LADIES IN MY HOME TO THE LADIES YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT> First and foremost I told you these ladies came from a different time. Second Told you our sister told us the villes were foul and that she is very unhappy about that. Retired, you just proved my point about SOME lifers. And don't either of you twist my words this time. You still approve cruel stabbing of a female but now Pass the knife around in the guise of Karma. "Still Negative". Still evading issue of article that started this blog also. Who decides who deserves what as far as Karma, and when will you get what Karma owes you? After I told you this shit has been going on even in old days you still make argument for sake of arguing? I will not get graphic about some of the Killings that took place when I was in Korea and that was the good ol days. BTW CH, Please stick your head in my window you will be without it within seconds. Not that you need it anyway. And anyone that would do that to some old ladies as you put it. Well I know my mother wakes at the drop of pen and her shot gun is so quick to fire you would be looking for your ass just before you lost your head! Your Ideas suck and you will get no pat on the back from me with that crap. All reek of perversion. Now you have your Pat on the back from Retired you are fueled to go which makes another point. LIFERS, Some will give Pat on back just as long as you are a mean to their ends. AS soon as you are no use to them on to next who can further their time in service. NOW do not change my words. That is SOME as others are ready to give knowledge and make things better. I learned from a few good Lifers while in service. I learned from some from the selfish ones also. As stated above. I never Kissed ass and will not start at this point. The Lifers that respected those who failed to Kiss ass get my respect and I will retain some learning from them. Those are the people that do the work and get things done. If you find some of them you may do allot about any situation. I never feared anyone when I was in service and still do not. Knew my Job and that got me what I needed. In fact thinking back I would never have been in an argument such as this when I was on active duty. No time nor incentive. But continue your attack on me just fire straight you may find you can hit target better when using the sights. CH you are work in progress or maybe regress for sure, and now you have your Pat on the back. You both failed to read my words. To be expected from you Chicken, but ya never know for sure what you will get from Others. You have proved that you did not pay one bit of attention to what I said. DON'T EVER TELL ME THAT I COMPARED THE LADIES IN MY HOME TO THE LADIES YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT> First and foremost I told you these ladies came from a different time. Second Told you our sister told us the villes were foul and that she is very unhappy about that. Retired, you just proved my point about SOME lifers. And don't either of you twist my words this time. You still approve cruel stabbing of a female but now Pass the knife around in the guise of Karma. "Still Negative". Still evading issue of article that started this blog also. Who decides who deserves what as far as Karma, and when will you get what Karma owes you? After I told you this shit has been going on even in old days you still make argument for sake of arguing? I will not get graphic about some of the Killings that took place when I was in Korea and that was the good ol days. BTW CH, Please stick your head in my window you will be without it within seconds. Not that you need it anyway. And anyone that would do that to some old ladies as you put it. Well I know my mother wakes at the drop of pen and her shot gun is so quick to fire you would be looking for your ass just before you lost your head! Your Ideas suck and you will get no pat on the back from me with that crap. All reek of perversion. Now you have your Pat on the back from Retired you are fueled to go which makes another point. LIFERS, Some will give Pat on back just as long as you are a mean to their ends. AS soon as you are no use to them on to next who can further their time in service. NOW do not change my words. That is SOME as others are ready to give knowledge and make things better. I learned from a few good Lifers while in service. I learned from some from the selfish ones also. As stated above. I never Kissed ass and will not start at this point. The Lifers that respected those who failed to Kiss ass get my respect and I will retain some learning from them. Those are the people that do the work and get things done. If you find some of them you may do allot about any situation. I never feared anyone when I was in service and still do not. Knew my Job and that got me what I needed. In fact thinking back I would never have been in an argument such as this when I was on active duty. No time nor incentive. But continue your attack on me just fire straight you may find you can hit target better when using the sights.

]]> By: Bones http://rokdrop.com/2009/03/07/filipina-woman-stabbed-by-us-solider-in-songtan/comment-page-2/#comment-394949 Bones Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:15:27 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=11776#comment-394949 Duffy, Just so you know, there's no comeback to CH's post. Your done!!! Think this way, "Anything goes with a Ho"....that will bring you down to earth. Duffy, Just so you know, there's no comeback to CH's post. Your done!!!

Think this way, "Anything goes with a Ho"….that will bring you down to earth.

]]> By: Retired GI http://rokdrop.com/2009/03/07/filipina-woman-stabbed-by-us-solider-in-songtan/comment-page-2/#comment-394941 Retired GI Tue, 17 Aug 2010 06:10:37 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=11776#comment-394941 Well said ChickenHead. Well said. I agree 100%. I would agree 110%---but 100% is all I have. "two bright lights"---"selfish animals" very well said. Well said ChickenHead. Well said. I agree 100%. I would agree 110%—but 100% is all I have.

"two bright lights"—"selfish animals" very well said.

]]> By: ChickenHead http://rokdrop.com/2009/03/07/filipina-woman-stabbed-by-us-solider-in-songtan/comment-page-2/#comment-394924 ChickenHead Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:11:12 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=11776#comment-394924 Duffy, Don't mistake my lack of concern for advocacy. What happened has happened. I would rather the Rule of Law take care of it... but that's not the way it worked out. It certainly isn't my fault or responsibility. I can only react... and react, I shall. I can't feel sorry for someone who does the things many of these girls do... even if the price they pay seems disproportionate. Maybe the punk kid doesn't deserve both barrels in the face when he climbs through the old woman's window... or maybe he does. Maybe the summation of misery he will cause in his lifetime is greater than the injustice of execution for a single burglary. And maybe the misery some of these girls have/will cause in their career is deserving of a quick end... as it betters the world around them and allows the advancement of better people. That's not for me to decide... so I don't go around slicing up bargirls in the Ville or hitting Lt. Davis in the back of the head with a hammer as he walks down a street. But when God, or Fate or the statistical Karma of screwing over a large enough sample of the population catches up with an individual who is out to better themselves through the destruction of others, why should I express false sympathy when I feel only the peace of balance being restored in the world... and renewed faith in a systemic justice. Somehow, a few posters here want to lump all women into the category of delicate little flower requiring protection... when, in fact, there are many predators in the group... who prey upon those who naively buy into the stereotype. Duffy, to compare the "two bright lights" in your home with some of the selfish animals that roam the Villes preying upon the weak is an insult to the ladies in your life. Like men, or organizations, or countries, some women are are more deserving of violence than others. Duffy,

Don't mistake my lack of concern for advocacy.

What happened has happened. I would rather the Rule of Law take care of it… but that's not the way it worked out.

It certainly isn't my fault or responsibility. I can only react… and react, I shall.

I can't feel sorry for someone who does the things many of these girls do… even if the price they pay seems disproportionate.

Maybe the punk kid doesn't deserve both barrels in the face when he climbs through the old woman's window… or maybe he does. Maybe the summation of misery he will cause in his lifetime is greater than the injustice of execution for a single burglary.

And maybe the misery some of these girls have/will cause in their career is deserving of a quick end… as it betters the world around them and allows the advancement of better people.

That's not for me to decide… so I don't go around slicing up bargirls in the Ville or hitting Lt. Davis in the back of the head with a hammer as he walks down a street.

But when God, or Fate or the statistical Karma of screwing over a large enough sample of the population catches up with an individual who is out to better themselves through the destruction of others, why should I express false sympathy when I feel only the peace of balance being restored in the world… and renewed faith in a systemic justice.

Somehow, a few posters here want to lump all women into the category of delicate little flower requiring protection… when, in fact, there are many predators in the group… who prey upon those who naively buy into the stereotype.

Duffy, to compare the "two bright lights" in your home with some of the selfish animals that roam the Villes preying upon the weak is an insult to the ladies in your life.

Like men, or organizations, or countries, some women are are more deserving of violence than others.

]]> By: Duffy http://rokdrop.com/2009/03/07/filipina-woman-stabbed-by-us-solider-in-songtan/comment-page-2/#comment-394916 Duffy Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:23:23 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=11776#comment-394916 CH, Seems You don't like truth. Thats okay. Anyway I see you have some reasoning going for you when you wrote this last post to Tom. I'm not trying to save anyone nor are you at this point, and we are not in a contest. We are arguing the facts of what took place. BTW I dont hate you but do not like the way some posters take light the situation of attempted murder, and the truth of prejudice in situation. Making excuses for murder is putting the knife in your hand and listen to one thing. You just may get someone killed with your agreeing with the attack on a woman who happened to do some shit you dont like. BTW I like the Key board idea but my idea is if they had something to hook up to key board it would best be for BS and hatred. You might not get on.Then that wouldn't be right either because everyone still has the right to speak in our system and after all even after you get angry you occasionally say something that makes sense to even me. I don't know though. People rig those things in their cars and you would probably figure a way to rig that so you could continue your campaign on the right to maim and or murder a woman who you feel deserves it anyway. I still say any of you great strong people that say killing would "Even the score" are the same people that have been separated from their money. Tom L, It was the same for me when I was in Korea. My wifes sister came here two months ago and has told my wife, and I the Villes are really foul. She is one of the girls we knew when we were in Korea and hates the way it is now so not all Korean people agree with this ether. She doesn't live near GI villes anymore and we will keep her if we can. I have two bright lights in my home now. Both with earlier Korean women Ideas but solidly want to give and receive love. I don't get these attitudes of killing woman being okay regardless of the situation. No one is tied to the seats. I do see the lure of the clubs as great problem that damn well needs to be dealt with. But sheeit the way things are in our command it wont happen. Ya I'm sorry you people in Korea don't have better places to go, and better leadership. In fact it angers me. It gets right down to our incredibly hard leftist leadership. Ya I know Bush was not Left. It started before him! Clinton was and his wife hangs out in Korea quite allot, and without a clue. Young GIs can not make their commanders make changes. And Allot of lifers don't care about their troops that is if it is still the way it was when I was in military. Some lifers do but most do not even care if a young soldier walks off a cliff in off time. The higher ranked lifer enlisted men need to initiate change and set examples. Now ya all got me to attack so leave the women alone. You can even send me your money if ya want. That is a Joke so do not take me serious. I mean about the money. I bet not allot of GIs extend for more duty in Korea like we used to do. It was the best duty a soldier could get. It really sucks that the villes are so bad. But Killing is not the answer. Guess what. GIs killed when we had awesome duty in Korea and I bet you that make excuses for Killing a woman would have made excuses for those guys also. CH, Seems You don't like truth. Thats okay. Anyway I see you have some reasoning going for you when you wrote this last post to Tom. I'm not trying to save anyone nor are you at this point, and we are not in a contest. We are arguing the facts of what took place. BTW I dont hate you but do not like the way some posters take light the situation of attempted murder, and the truth of prejudice in situation. Making excuses for murder is putting the knife in your hand and listen to one thing. You just may get someone killed with your agreeing with the attack on a woman who happened to do some shit you dont like. BTW I like the Key board idea but my idea is if they had something to hook up to key board it would best be for BS and hatred. You might not get on.Then that wouldn't be right either because everyone still has the right to speak in our system and after all even after you get angry you occasionally say something that makes sense to even me. I don't know though. People rig those things in their cars and you would probably figure a way to rig that so you could continue your campaign on the right to maim and or murder a woman who you feel deserves it anyway. I still say any of you great strong people that say killing would "Even the score" are the same people that have been separated from their money. Tom L, It was the same for me when I was in Korea. My wifes sister came here two months ago and has told my wife, and I the Villes are really foul. She is one of the girls we knew when we were in Korea and hates the way it is now so not all Korean people agree with this ether. She doesn't live near GI villes anymore and we will keep her if we can. I have two bright lights in my home now. Both with earlier Korean women Ideas but solidly want to give and receive love. I don't get these attitudes of killing woman being okay regardless of the situation. No one is tied to the seats. I do see the lure of the clubs as great problem that damn well needs to be dealt with. But sheeit the way things are in our command it wont happen. Ya I'm sorry you people in Korea don't have better places to go, and better leadership. In fact it angers me. It gets right down to our incredibly hard leftist leadership. Ya I know Bush was not Left. It started before him! Clinton was and his wife hangs out in Korea quite allot, and without a clue. Young GIs can not make their commanders make changes. And Allot of lifers don't care about their troops that is if it is still the way it was when I was in military. Some lifers do but most do not even care if a young soldier walks off a cliff in off time. The higher ranked lifer enlisted men need to initiate change and set examples. Now ya all got me to attack so leave the women alone. You can even send me your money if ya want. That is a Joke so do not take me serious. I mean about the money. I bet not allot of GIs extend for more duty in Korea like we used to do. It was the best duty a soldier could get. It really sucks that the villes are so bad. But Killing is not the answer. Guess what. GIs killed when we had awesome duty in Korea and I bet you that make excuses for Killing a woman would have made excuses for those guys also.

]]> By: ChickenHead http://rokdrop.com/2009/03/07/filipina-woman-stabbed-by-us-solider-in-songtan/comment-page-2/#comment-394909 ChickenHead Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:03:33 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=11776#comment-394909 Tom, At least on Osan, "command" has typically played golf and attended back-scratching dinners with their "good neighbors" who have been getting very rich by cheating the commanded out of a great deal of money for the promise of sex. As competitive affordable prostitution is off-limits and actively patrolled, that leaves GI Joe the choice of a large up-front fee to the Good Neighbors or the (false) hope of a discount via a "real relationship" on the juice-based installment plan. The Good Neighbors take advantage of young, lonely, vulnerable and naive men who get a half-hearted briefing but no real leadership or guidance even when everyone can see them ruining their lives and destroying their families chasing an illusion. I'm growing increasingly less interested and distant from the Osan/Songtan gossip chain... and my impression is that, after Leon LePorte left, this type of corruption in USFK has been slowly reducing... ...but that is the way it ran for a long time... and there are still remnants of that system which can be expanded upon by others here closer to the action. Tom,

At least on Osan, "command" has typically played golf and attended back-scratching dinners with their "good neighbors" who have been getting very rich by cheating the commanded out of a great deal of money for the promise of sex.

As competitive affordable prostitution is off-limits and actively patrolled, that leaves GI Joe the choice of a large up-front fee to the Good Neighbors or the (false) hope of a discount via a "real relationship" on the juice-based installment plan.

The Good Neighbors take advantage of young, lonely, vulnerable and naive men who get a half-hearted briefing but no real leadership or guidance even when everyone can see them ruining their lives and destroying their families chasing an illusion.

I'm growing increasingly less interested and distant from the Osan/Songtan gossip chain… and my impression is that, after Leon LePorte left, this type of corruption in USFK has been slowly reducing…

…but that is the way it ran for a long time… and there are still remnants of that system which can be expanded upon by others here closer to the action.

]]> By: Tom Langley http://rokdrop.com/2009/03/07/filipina-woman-stabbed-by-us-solider-in-songtan/comment-page-2/#comment-394905 Tom Langley Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:13:19 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=11776#comment-394905 When I was stationed in Korea there weren't any Filipina or Russian girls working in the bars, all the 'buy me drinky' girls were Korean. All you had to do to avoid loosing your paycheck was to say 'NO'. The girls would go to the next guy & you could get sloshed in peace. If you wanted some pogee all you had to do was get a hooker & pay $10 for a 'shorttime' or $20 for an 'overnight'. You didn't have to take her out to eat or a movie, or pretend that you were interested in whatever she was talking about & after a few dates you might or might not score. It was here's the money & let's get right to the meat & potatoes. These girls may be sleazeballs but there is NO justification for violence. I hope that the GI who did this gets the maximum penalty allowed by law & I hope the victim gets healed & can move on with her life. If the command is not briefing their troops on these girls then they need to start. When I was stationed in Korea there weren't any Filipina or Russian girls working in the bars, all the 'buy me drinky' girls were Korean. All you had to do to avoid loosing your paycheck was to say 'NO'. The girls would go to the next guy & you could get sloshed in peace. If you wanted some pogee all you had to do was get a hooker & pay $10 for a 'shorttime' or $20 for an 'overnight'. You didn't have to take her out to eat or a movie, or pretend that you were interested in whatever she was talking about & after a few dates you might or might not score. It was here's the money & let's get right to the meat & potatoes. These girls may be sleazeballs but there is NO justification for violence. I hope that the GI who did this gets the maximum penalty allowed by law & I hope the victim gets healed & can move on with her life. If the command is not briefing their troops on these girls then they need to start.

]]> By: nuckfuts http://rokdrop.com/2009/03/07/filipina-woman-stabbed-by-us-solider-in-songtan/comment-page-2/#comment-394898 nuckfuts Mon, 16 Aug 2010 04:34:55 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=11776#comment-394898 I agree that some of the stunts the juicy whores pull are off the charts in unacceptable behavior. I haven't had too many bad experiences but I've been out and about and seen what some of these vile creatures try to pull off. True, a lot of the young GI's are naive and inexperienced (to the point of embarrassment) but there's no way they should be subjected to such an organized scam. And in no way do I condone or encourage violence upon these diabolical creatures but I do UNDERSTAND IT. This attack on the Filipina girl shows the WILDCARD in the slimy juicy whore game. And honestly, if there were more attacks like this it would even the score to the point that it wouldn't be so bad in them thar Villes. Okay, I lied. I do encourage violence upon the worst of the worst. I agree that some of the stunts the juicy whores pull are off the charts in unacceptable behavior. I haven't had too many bad experiences but I've been out and about and seen what some of these vile creatures try to pull off. True, a lot of the young GI's are naive and inexperienced (to the point of embarrassment) but there's no way they should be subjected to such an organized scam. And in no way do I condone or encourage violence upon these diabolical creatures but I do UNDERSTAND IT. This attack on the Filipina girl shows the WILDCARD in the slimy juicy whore game. And honestly, if there were more attacks like this it would even the score to the point that it wouldn't be so bad in them thar Villes. Okay, I lied. I do encourage violence upon the worst of the worst.

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