ROK Drop

By on March 16th, 2009 at 3:16 am

Congressman Vows to Stall US-ROK FTA

If anyone is wondering why a free trade deal between Korea and the US will never be done, here is the reason why from one prominent US Congressman:

Panama, Colombia and South Korea need to resolve a number of outstanding concerns before Congress will approve free trade pacts with each of those countries, a U.S. lawmaker said on Wednesday.

The United States would benefit economically and geopolitically from all three of the agreements, but “there are also outstanding issues that must be resolved before passage can occur,” Representative Sander Levin said.

The Michigan Democrat chairs the House of Representatives Ways and Means trade subcommittee, which plays a key role in congressional consideration of trade agreements.  (…..)

The South Korean agreement contains “one-sided” automotive and manufacturing provisions that must be changed before Congress will approve that pact, Levin said.

U.S. Trade Representative-designee Ron Kirk expressed the same view at his confirmation hearing earlier this week, saying the United States was prepared to walk away from the South Korean deal if Seoul did not agree to change it.

South Korea exported more than 600,000 cars and light trucks to the United States in 2008 and imported just over 10,000 U.S. vehicles.

Levin, a Michigan Democrat, and many other auto state lawmakers believe the South Korea agreement failed to address “non-tariff barriers” that keep out U.S. cars.

They wanted the pact to phase out the 2.5 percent U.S. tariff on South Korean cars over 15 years, instead of immediately as it now does.

Their proposal would allow South Korea to get duty-free access more rapidly if U.S. auto exports to South Korea exceeded certain thresholds.  [Reuters]

I see no rationale on how you can make consumers in South Korea buy American cars they don’t want.  The average Korean buys fuel efficient cars, upper middle class Koreans buy SUV’s, and then wealthy Koreans tend to buy imported Japanese and German cars.  When is Detriot going to learn it is the product and not the trade barriers holding back US cars in Korea?

By the way check out this interesting discussion over at the Marmot’s Hole on this issue as well.

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  • Tom
    11:52 pm on March 15th, 2009 1

    Wow, I didn't know Chryslers and GM's are cheaper to buy in Korea than the US! But they still can't sell them. :lol:

    I say f*** them..you can't force FTA with people who don't want it and who keep on whining about cars that they can't sell. I say Korea should forget about it and just concentrate on signing with EU. Then buy all the military weapons and passenger air jets from them because they'll be much cheaper. I want to see Australian beef dominate Korean market once again too.

  • CaptJ
    12:20 am on March 16th, 2009 2

    Korea charges a 40% tax on all imported cars. So, an American car that costs $30,000 will cost an extra $12,000 TAX in Korea.

  • Lemmy
    1:14 am on March 16th, 2009 3

    Hey Tom, if Korea built an airliner, I wouldn't fly on it. Who knows what bribes were paid to circumvent the inspections processes. Also, what would happen if the U.S. imposed an import tariff on Korean cars? That's right, no matter how much the Korean Government subsidized the Korean car manufactures, it is doubtful American's would pay $40,000 for a Hyundai or Kia. The Genesis is nice, but it isn't that nice. I also would like to see Australian beef make a comeback in the Korean grocery store. Because I would love to see Korean's have to waste their money buying something that cost 40% more than they actually need to pay. I say let the Korean people suffer. You see Tom, no matter how you slice it, the U.S. doesn't need South Korea for trade, but South Korea sure needs the U.S. (That's according to South Korea). I say stop importing things into the U.S. Let American's build the things they need, want and eat. By the way I paid $7.19 a pound for two Choice Rib Eyes and $3.50 for a pound and a half of 93% lean ground beef, I'm curious to know what a Korean pays on the economy for the same items? It is clear the loser in Korea is the simple citizen and this is based on the greed of the business person in Korea. I'm with you stop importing cars into Korea (to include Kia and Hyundai) from the U.S. Stop importing Beef, military weaponry, defense and English teachers. In return, Korea stops sending electronics and immigrants to the U.S. In simple terms, screw you, you don't speak for the vast majority of Korean's!

  • Tom
    1:55 am on March 16th, 2009 4

    "Korea charges a 40% tax on all imported cars. So, an American car that costs $30,000 will cost an extra $12,000 TAX in Korea."

    That's a lie. Korea charges 8%. Read the link containing all the comments that GI Korea posted. US cars are less expensive in Korea than in the US.

    ", what would happen if the U.S. imposed an import tariff on Korean cars?"

    Why would the US do that? That would signal US protectionism. Even if that happens, Hyundai-KIA can just manufacture in the US, then no problem.

    "Because I would love to see Korean’s have to waste their money buying something that cost 40% more than they actually need to pay."

    Why would they cost more than 40% when the tariffs on Australian beefs will be 0% with Free Trade? I would rather buy cheaper beef from Australia and Kiwi land rather than US beef that are 40% more expensive. LOL.

    Man.. all I said was the US people don't want FTA with Korea so let's not do it because we can't force people if they don't want to drop tariffs and increase trade. And now you want to drop all trade with each other… wow.. the anti Korean mentality in blogs like this.. :lol:

  • Jack
    2:37 am on March 16th, 2009 5

    All I know is that I've been in and out of Korea since 1983 and all in since 1996, and what I've seen is protectionism galore on the Korean side. Rice imports are taboo. Why? Because if they imported California rice, it would force the price of Korean rice down 2/3. Beef from the US is cheaper but, the local beef producers find any way to interrupt importing it. American cars are cheaper in Korea than the US. And I agree that the US auto makers need a better product. However, if Hyundai and Kia didn't lobby to make it almost impossible for US businesses to establish a foothold in Korea, there would be a lot more businesses here. The rules for running businesses are so complicated and costly; many US companies have just given up. This is why the free trade agreement with Korea and many other countries is not fair to the US. Don't even get me started on why it is OK for any foreigner to buy property in the US, but most countries (Korea, Thailand, & Philippines and many more), forbid foreign ownership of property.

  • Tom
    2:55 am on March 16th, 2009 6

    Man oh man, some of the misinformation (lies?) that continue to go around here… :roll:

    "Don’t even get me started on why it is OK for any foreigner to buy property in the US, but most countries (Korea, Thailand, & Philippines and many more), forbid foreign ownership of property."

    Foreigners have been able to own property in Korea for over a decade now. Where've you been? That just about has to question your credibility on rest of what you said.. Wow….

  • DunkinDokDo
    3:26 am on March 16th, 2009 7

    Here's Levin and the Obama administration's approach to reducing carbon emissions:

    "The Industry Trade Advisory Committee to USTR and U.S. auto companies have long recommended that we negotiate an end to Korea’s use of engine displacement as a basis for accessing its unusually high automotive taxes. Three of Korea=s eight automotive taxes are based on engine displacement, which disproportionately falls on U.S. vehicles and other imports with larger engines. The final agreement only modifies two of these taxes by reducing the number of displacement categories or tiers and lowering some tax rates. "

    http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/mi12_levin/P…

  • Tom
    3:42 am on March 16th, 2009 8

    So I see, instead of focusing on making and selling fuel efficient cars that degrade less the environment, they just want to get rid of the tax that penalizes big gas gulpers. :lol: Then they call this unfair tax against American cars. :lol: :lol: Oh man … what do you call this? Lazy?

  • Anonymous
    5:49 am on March 16th, 2009 9

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  • Jack
    7:17 am on March 16th, 2009 10

    OK, I'm not that adept on buying Korean property but was told that only someone holding resident status could get clear title to property or your Korean wife. However, I know how the other two countries work when it comes to foreign ownership. No, I wasn't trying to spread misinformation, only trying to make a point using various scenarios of unfair practices. As far as my credibility, fact check the rest. There is no import of rice allowed and all you have to do is read the statements of companies that have pulled out of Korea to understand that the Koreans intentionally make it hard for foreigners to do business in Korea. I'm not trying to debate someone who has all of the answers such as yourself. Just adding my observations. Sorry I offended your sensitive nature.

  • Lemmy
    8:00 am on March 16th, 2009 11

    Hey Tom, here's a little song, wanna hear it – here it goes………….

    GOD BLESS AMERICA, LAND THAT I LOVE, STAND BESIDE HER AND GUIDE HER THROUGH THE NIGHT WITH A LIGHT FROM ABOVE…..

    FROM THE MOUNTAINS TO THE PRAIRIES TO THE OCEANS WHITE WITH FOAM, GOD BLESS – AMERICA MY HOME SWEET HOME.

    "In less than two years, 35,000 American's died defending South Korea from Communism, what has Korea done for the United States?"

    J.F.K

  • Dr.Yu
    8:31 am on March 16th, 2009 12

    Koreans died in vietnam for America. Up to 40.000 KIA.

  • Dr.Yu
    8:37 am on March 16th, 2009 13

    By the way, what tariff agreement has to do with American soldiers dying in the war? Did the American soldiers died in Korea for American cars?

    May them rest in peace.

  • Maruyama Masao
    8:59 am on March 16th, 2009 14

    "I say stop importing things into the U.S. Let American’s build the things they need, want and eat."

    Right Lemmy. Sure, lets do what you suggested above. Then Americans can watch the price of things really skyrocket and then when you eat your triple priced Choice Rib-eye we can serve it alongside a heaping portion of American made crow to console what will eventually be your wounded smugness.

  • DunkinDokDo
    9:44 am on March 16th, 2009 15

    My US Citizen wife owns a couple of plots of land in Korea for tax purposes; all she did was fax over her US Passport.

    It's true that rice is off the table in this round, but things like wine were set to go to zero tariff, and a lot of goods that were set to sell in Korea will now be blocked in favor of UAW-produced gas guzzlers.

  • Lemmy
    9:54 am on March 16th, 2009 16

    Yu, are you high?

    Americans who died in Korea 35,000

    Americans who died in Vietnam 58,193

    Total 93,193

    Koreans who died in America 0

    What don't you understand?

    Really, 40,000 Korean's died in Vietnam? Did you come up with that number while tripping on peyote?

  • Lemmy
    10:00 am on March 16th, 2009 17

    Korean's are ingrates, they have very little class, morals, or values when it comes to humility. Without those 35,000 American Men who died for the ROK, you would be living just like your brothers to the North who you have abandoned and left to starve to suffer and starve to death.

    Learn humility and then write something that makes sense.

  • Big B
    10:37 am on March 16th, 2009 18

    Korea charges an 8% tax on imported U.S. cars. U.S. charges a 2.5% tax on Korean imported cars. I'm not sure why we need an FTA to correct this imbalance. U.S. says make it equal or we stop importing your little lunchboxes.

  • Marcus Ambrose
    10:40 am on March 16th, 2009 19

    Ref "That’s a lie. Korea charges 8%. Read the link containing all the comments that GI Korea posted. US cars are less expensive in Korea than in the US."

    You are the liar, or misinformed, or unexperienced. I wanted to sell my 6 year old Chrysler Caravan downtown and I wanted $14,000 for it. At the time the won rate was around 900 won per dollar. But, after regular taxes plus 5,000,000 won engine size tax and 5,000,000 veterans group tax (it's a mandatory tax for Korean veteran support) the total cost to a Korean would have been 26,000,000 won. This came from the group that does the duty free sells downtown as well as independent research by my Korean wife and others trying to figure out a way to sell it. So, let me tell you: there is a butt load of tax on U.S. cars. I finally found another SOFA member to buy the van. I suspect your figures are based on what is publicly put out, but dig a little deeper and you will find out why there are 5,000 US cars sold in Korea every year and not 50,000 or 100,000 or more. Yet, there are MILLIONS of foreign cars sold in the US. Wake up, stop sipping the koolaid.

    Korea, China, and the rest of the world would collapse if the U.S. decided to tariff like them. 25% of Chinese exports go to the U.S., 3% of U.S. exports go to China. I don't know the figures for Korea, but I suspect it is similar. Maybe it's time the U.S. did some protectionism to at least level the playing field.

  • Capt. America
    8:40 pm on March 16th, 2009 20

    How can anybody say that Koreans dont want to buy American Cars??How could you possibly know that?? Especially when they know they are buying a product that is being sold to them at up to 30% more then what its actually worth. There are several points in this comment section, some true and others untrue. Korea is a protectionist country=True..FTA would benefit one country more then the other=False(In some areas such military sales it would benefit america tremendously, in other regards such as the before mentioned cars sales it would benefit Korea.We all need to understand FTA doest is not the same as equal trade or even fair trade in all aspects its an opening up of certain parts of the market for FREE trade). Koreans dont realize or fail to realize the sacrifice americans made for them and also the benefits they enjoy for such a close relationship with the U.S=True and false….(depends who you are talking to and probably how old they are, but in my opinion any appreciation is usually not enough.30,000 Soldiers is a crazy number). 40,000 SK soldiers dies in Vietnam. Are you kidding me??=SOOOOOO False.

  • Maruyama Masao
    8:57 pm on March 16th, 2009 21

    "How can anybody say that Koreans dont want to buy American Cars??How could you possibly know that?? Especially when they know they are buying a product that is being sold to them at up to 30% more then what its actually worth."

    Well, we can never know anything for sure. But if you look at the sales numbers for American automakers in the United States alone, foreign manufacturers seem to have the jump on the Big Three. After all, there are no additional taxes on Toyotas, Hondas, BMW's, or Saabs, yet the continue to sell better than anything the Big Three put on the American market.

    I don't think this is an issue restrictive trade barriers hurting US auto companies (although that may partially, sort of explain things). No, what I think the problem with US auto companies is that they've made really shitty products over the years that no amount of dismantling trade barriers is going to fix.

  • Tom
    10:58 pm on March 16th, 2009 22

    "How can anybody say that Koreans dont want to buy American Cars??How could you possibly know that?? Especially when they know they are buying a product that is being sold to them at up to 30% more then what its actually worth"

    Actually you're wrong there. That's true for German cars, but not for American cars. German cars are 30% more expensive not because of tariffs but because of the importers who mark them up high. American cars on the other hand are heavily discounted in Korea, and they are actually less expensive in Korea then in the US. Funnily, still they don't sell because nobody wants them. :lol:

  • Tom
    11:03 pm on March 16th, 2009 23

    GI's link has this comment which is right on the money.

    :mrgreen:

    http://www.rjkoehler.com/2009/03/14/the-korus-fta…

    ——————————-

    Reading all the comments here and thinking about the situation myself, I agree that it looks like both parties will walk away… for now. I would also agree that the LMB administration went through considerable political risk to move forward on the FTA.

    There were two big preconditions that Korea had to meet in order to even talk to the U.S. on an FTA, reducing their movie screen quotas by 50% and opening the market to U.S. beef. Korea requested no such preconditions from the U.S. That fact smacks of a situation where a big country is imposing its will on a smaller one, but any ways. I could care less about Korean beef farmers who are trying to raise cattle in a land not well suited to the trade, but I did care about the once vibrant Korean movie industry that’s now sucking wind since the quota system was severely curtailed. Just to get this far Korea had to gut its movie industry and put itself under grave political risk over the whole beef issue. What Korea had to give up just to get this far has been grossly underappreciated by the Obama administration.

    I’m also puzzled by some logical fallacies expounded in this thread of “since Korea reneged on some military agreements in the past, they are sure to renege on the FTA” arguments. These are appeal to probability and bare assertion fallacies, plain and simple. I’m also puzzled by the belief that the FTA shouldn’t go forward because Korea’s market’s have been protectionistic in the past. Ummmm… that’s what a FTA is for, to break down trade barriers. You can’t accuse a country of being protectionistic and THEN advocate shooting down an agreement that’s suppose to fix the problem. That is sure to KEEP them protectionistic. That, my friends, is a contradictory premise, another logical fallacy.

    In my opinion, U.S. excuses to not move the Korean FTA forward are based on red herring fallacies, which are relevance based. How many American cars are sold in Korea vs. how many Korean cars are sold in the U.S. isn’t relevant to the FTA. There is really nothing that an FTA could do to balance that out. The FTA already allows for tariffs and non-tarriff trade barriers to be removed for most U.S. models over time. It’s then in the U.S. automaker’s onus to put some resources behind the Korean car market, to advertise, to set-up dealer networks, repair networks and spare part networks. Korean automakers have been doing this in the U.S. for decades and those efforts have finally been paying off. Is it not fair to ask this from U.S. companies trying penetrate another market? That’s just the cost of doing business if they truely want to do business. But, it’s becoming clear that U.S. car companies don’t want to do business. They want a hand out.

    However, I don’t think U.S. car companies want to do business on an equal playing field anymore. They would much rather have protected markets and keep as much external competition out as possible so they can return to an age where they were selling U.S. consumers gas guzzling lemons with exploding gas tanks and transmissions that gave out after 40k miles.

  • Tom
    11:13 pm on March 16th, 2009 24

    American car makers and their supporters are extremely arrogant. They shove their products in your face and expect you to buy them without questions asked. They don't have a good dealer network, they have poor after service, they don't advertise, their parts are expensive, and their cars are made for big expansive American roads but are ill suited for Korea. If you don't put any effort into selling your product and if you don't have good service for customers, don't blame it on Koreans for not buying them. :lol: :lol:

  • GI Korea
    2:42 am on March 17th, 2009 25

    Just over 4,407 ROK Army soldiers died in Vietnam. Here is some reading about the ROK Army in Vietnam:
    http://rokdrop.com/2008/06/04/rok-drop-review-bin…
    http://rokdrop.com/2008/10/28/hwacheon-country-op…

  • Tom
    3:16 am on March 17th, 2009 26

    "But, after regular taxes plus 5,000,000 won engine size tax and 5,000,000 veterans group tax (it’s a mandatory tax for Korean veteran support) the total cost to a Korean would have been 26,000,000 won."

    Sorry but those taxes are also applied to Korean cars with same sized engines, and it has nothing to do with US cars only. It's your fault for buying a high gas consumption vehicle. You think US made laws are the only valid laws in the world? Get off your high horse. You're in Korea, and in Korea they tax you based on how much oil you're going to consume. If Americans don't want to see those taxes, then they can stop whining like a child and sign the Free Trade Agreement and those taxes will disappear as part of a negotiated agreement. :roll:

  • lipper
    4:43 am on March 17th, 2009 27

    Yes, and don't forget – in the FTA with the EU – to include EU troops to protect you for the next 60-70 years. :lol:

  • smoothbore
    6:53 am on March 17th, 2009 28

    The bottom line is that Koreans are hostile to foreign business and the US period. They have proven it time and time again.

    Typical Korean bullshit. It's ok for them to be protectionist, but not someone else to act that way towards them.

    America should focus on developing good relations with China and leave Korea completely.

    I'd love to see Americans take to the streets the same way Koreans do and do some protesting against Korea.

    What's good for the goose is good for the gander. But then it's ok if Koreans do it, not the other way around isn't it?

    I agree with all the Koreans who took to the streets and protested against an FTA with the US.

  • Dr.Yu
    7:12 am on March 17th, 2009 29

    You are right GI. I made a mistake. The number 40.000 refers to the number os NVC killed by korean soldiers.

  • Dr.Yu
    7:43 am on March 17th, 2009 30

    Man, I can’t believe you are using the memory of those soldiers to sell cars to Korea. This is a trade matter not political so don’t use their memory in vain. Let them rest in peace.

    American car manufacturers are facing the biggest crisis ever because they lost competitiveness and instead of improving their quality what they do? Demand public funds to avoid bankruptcy and demand to Korea to buy more American cars. Well, Korea is doing its part through the FTA since will remove tariffs to American cars, but the car manufacturers have to do their homework too.

    The actual lethargic status of American car companies is the result of decade of protectionism shield provided by American government. Don’t blame others because of it.

    Regarding learning humility, I think it applies better to the American car manufacturers.

  • Tom
    8:18 am on March 17th, 2009 31

    Yeah, go talk to your bankers the Chinese. See if they'll give you anymore loans. :lol:

    Man, I can't believe all the hostility because Korea wants to drop all the tariffs (isn't that want you guys have been whining about)? Instead, we get more whinings. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

    :twisted:

  • Marcus Ambrose
    10:46 am on March 17th, 2009 32

    It's not a high horse. It is a correction for the implication the American cars are cheap over here. They can charge all the tax they want, and I can choose to have a big car or not. The main point I was trying to make was a rebuttle against the suggestion that the trade is somehow fair. It is not.

  • Marcus Ambrose
    10:49 am on March 17th, 2009 33

    Tom, If the FTA really meant no tariffs, then I say go for it. But I have zero faith that either government really wants that.

  • Tom
    12:02 pm on March 17th, 2009 34

    Do explain to us how that tax is unfair towards the US cars? The taxes are applied evenly towards all brands from all origin. If the US wants to avoid the engine tax, then sell smaller cars, or sign the FTA with Korea, in which taxes are gone at the expense of Koreans having to import more oil to input into your big cars. Whining about it will not fix the problem.

  • Tom
    12:08 pm on March 17th, 2009 35

    Then Americans shouldn't be whining that Korea is unfair to American trade. Korea gave you chances to export your goods with many tariffs decreased or eliminated. But you're saying Americans don't trust Koreans, therefore you refuse the offer. So what can Korea do? Nothing.

    By the way, Korea's number one import for month of February is…. Volkswagen – not BMW or Lexus. Volkswagen. So where's Ford and Chrysler? How come Volkswagens and Hondas can sell the same number of cars that Americans sell in a year, in one month? Any excuses why that is?

  • Marcus Ambrose
    12:27 pm on March 17th, 2009 36

    I didn't say Americans don't trust Koreans, I said I don't trust either government.

    On the other note, since you are so good at research: What is the tax on Volkswagen? What is the average price per car? What are the market differences? You seem to think I am on the American car maker side, the truth you don't seem to get from me is that I am on the "free and fair trade" side which means 1 for 1. Taxes and tariffs should be equal, and they are not.

  • theotherguy
    9:04 am on March 18th, 2009 37

    Umm no those taxes are NOT applied to locally manufactured automobiles. I would know I actually purchased a car within the last six months.

    Originally I tried to purchase a BMW 1 series directly from the Korean manufacturer. It was in excess of 70,000,000 won. When I went through the BMW US Military sales rep (authorized to sell to any A3 visa holder) same car (from the same dealer) cost $42,000 USD. Various Kia ' Hyuidai's were inside the same price range of their US counterparts (10,000 to 26,000 dollars).

    Same thing with designer jeans. Levis jeans cost 200,000 to 240,000 won at a Lotte Department store. On amazon.com their $50-60 USD. Same thing with Clinique / Esta Lauder makeup (why my GF constantly wants me to buy her makeup from the base).

    There are several taxes levied on ALL imported goods, their not tariffs so their not levied during import but during purchase instead. Its why name brand goods are such a status icon over here, their so expensive only those with money can afford to have them. But locally made clothing is dirt cheap, 10,000 to 25,000 won for no-name shirts and jeans. Biggest tax is the "luxury item" tax, which is levied against all "luxury" goods (as defined by the Korean government).

  • theotherguy
    9:08 am on March 18th, 2009 38

    Correct the above post, I meant from the Korean Dealer. Kolon motors is the big BMW sales dealership in Korea (there are a few others).

  • theotherguy
    9:28 am on March 18th, 2009 39

    Your completely right, there is a very small "tariff" if any imposed on imported American goods. Now stop reading about tariffs and look at consumer taxes. There are several different taxes levied against all imported goods, with the biggest taxes being on any "luxury" good. This is all done to protect the local manufacturing base. Korea is an export based country, they make stuff to sell to the rest of the world (similar to China only more expensive and better quality).

    They've seen our manufacturing base vanish, they don't want theirs to go also (they tax things made in China by the way).

    Really you can't argue paying 220,000 won for a pair of Levis designer jeans that cost $60 in the states. Its almost a %100 markup on all imported luxury items, of that there is no doubt. Not that I mind, I think both sides could benefit from free and open trade. I just want the Korean government to stop using the US Military is scape goats every time they want someone to blame.

  • Henry Westgood
    4:04 pm on March 18th, 2009 40

    Tom, what is the fuel economy of Korean manufactured vehicles?

    I would also like to know if there are emmission exemptions for Korean manufactured diesels.

    Finally, if I were to buy a Korean car here in Korea and then ship it to the U.S. could I do it and how much would it cost in duties, taxes, tarriffs?

  • Lemmy
    1:29 pm on March 19th, 2009 41

    Tom, you are obviously 2nd generation American where your "home" country of South doesn't accept you because you are not one of them. Americans discriminate against you because you are not an American. Please don't vent your frustration by trying to post your big crocodile tears on this site. You can state your opinion and if you don't like what others write so what, go on about your life.

    Don't sleep with the fan on – you'll die.

  • Dr.Yu
    12:42 am on March 20th, 2009 42

    I think you are the one unhappy with the things others writes.

  • Lemmy
    12:55 am on March 20th, 2009 43

    I would gladly pay what ever the price for a product made in the U.S.

    You are obviously a young person who doesn't remember the 1960's and 1970's. I'm sure you don't know what I mean about that so I'll leave it alone.

    Ever hear of a guy named Fat Man or Little Boy?

  • Lemmy
    1:06 am on March 20th, 2009 44

    Yu, what it has to do with Korea is everything, but you are too stubborn to realiaze that. Much like your comment about 40,000 Koreans dying in Vietnam, you really have no idea about the facts of history. I have routinly asked Korean after Korean how many Americans died fighting for democracy and freedom in South Korea. Not one, not even one Korean person knew. The two most common answers are either "I don't know" or 3,000. The older generation of Koreans who remember starving to death during the 40s and 50s are the most gracios people I've ever met, but some of the Korean's I've met in todays Korea are very ignorant as to how close their country came to falling under the rule of Kim Il-sung and there would be no tariff.

    -God Blessed America

  • Dr.Yu
    2:31 am on March 20th, 2009 45

    Man, it’s because of stupid “patriots” like you that the sacrifice of American soldiers around the world is mostly ignored or despised.

    Those soldiers died in Korea believing in something beyond trade and tariffs. Don’t use their sacrifice for your cheap demagogy.

  • In Seoul
    9:23 am on March 20th, 2009 46

    Hopefully the FTA will fail to ever become reality, and we will just be done with it once and for all. :grin:

  • Lemmy
    12:15 pm on March 20th, 2009 47

    I'm with you.

  • Dr.Yu
    12:20 pm on March 20th, 2009 48

    If that's the destiny, let it be.

  • Lemmy
    12:25 pm on March 20th, 2009 49

    40,000 Koreans died in Vietnam fighting for America?

  • Dr.Yu
    12:50 pm on March 20th, 2009 50

    Sadly for you only 4.000 Korean soldiers died in Vietnam. But don’t be so frustrated, because I promise you the next time we will die more for you, ok? 80.000 is enough?

  • In Seoul
    1:20 pm on March 20th, 2009 51

    Here is some food for thought: Perhaps both Koreans and Americans should treat one another with sincere good will instead of nitpicking each other. :smile:

  • Dr.Yu
    1:25 pm on March 20th, 2009 52

    The best comment till now.

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  • Anthoni Snow
    8:35 pm on February 20th, 2010 54

    Okay so Koreans don't want to buy American cars? So why not eliminate the non-tarriff barriers? If no one will buy our cars then you don't need any barriers at all. Why have them? I think our laws should mirror Koreas.

 

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