By I can’t say I am not surprised by this ruling considering the evidence that was brought against Captain Christopher Gray:
Army Capt. Christopher Gray was sentenced Thursday to life in prison with eligibility for parole for the murder of his wife, Lea Gray.
Gray, 38, was also sentenced to dismissal from the military, a reprimand, and forfeiture of all pay and allowances. He was convicted of premeditated murder and conduct unbecoming an officer after a jury of seven male Army officers deliberated about nine hours, beginning Wednesday and resuming Thursday morning.
The trial began Monday at Camp Henry in Daegu before military judge Col. Donna M. Wright.
Lea Gray’s decomposing, partly skeletonized body was found May 9 in a ditch in a wooded area about 4.5 miles east of Camp Carroll in Waegwan.
She died of a toxic dose of diphenydramine, which was contained in an over-the-counter medication that, prosecutors implied during the trial, Gray administered with an enema kit.
Prosecutors said Gray — who was previously married and divorced and then met Lea Gray through an Internet dating service while he was stationed in Sinai, Egypt — became fed up with her repeated adulteries and other strains in their marriage. He also concluded she’d married him so she could use him to get U.S. citizenship, prosecutors told the jury.
On April 11, Gray wrote to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services seeking to thwart his wife’s efforts to be granted citizenship, saying she lured him into a “sham marriage.”
But he had already begun planning his wife’s murder, the prosecutors contended. [Stars & Stripes]
Make sure to read the rest of the Stars & Stripes article because the journalist Franklin Fisher provides plenty of detail about how premeditated this murder was. What I can’t get over is how he locked out his six year old daughter from the apartment while he killed her mother, Lea Angelie Bahena-Gray and then took the daughter with him to dispose of the body. Pretty chilling stuff.
You see a picture of Lea Gray here. Very pretty girl who’s reputation took a big hit during this trial, but even if the accusations against her are true it is no reason to kill her. They have divorce lawyers for a reason.
Hopefully the conviction provides some closure for everyone affected by this. The person I feel the worst for is the young daughter who’s life has been shattered by all this.
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2:57 pm on March 26th, 2009 2
Oh, now I understand it all. She was a deceitful liar from the Philippines that couldn't just be thankful for getting out of her country so she screwed around on him too. She wanted her cake and eat it too.
He was stupid enough to fall for the oldest trick in the book. Now they're both where they belong.
3:06 pm on March 26th, 2009 3
Let this be a cautionary tale to any young (or old) man who is thinking about marrying a girl from the Philippines.
3:29 pm on March 26th, 2009 4
I disagree with the first three posts. Let this be a cautionary tale to anyone in a failed marriage NOT TO MURDER THEIR SPOUSE. You get a divorce and she gets half when she deserves nothing, so what. It sucks and so do a lot of things in life, but you get your life back.
4:28 pm on March 26th, 2009 5
I'm kind of tired of hearing the 'caution from the Philippines' also. It can happen in Phil, Russia, Korea, or the U.S. These days the flavor seems to be Phil, but it wasn't long ago it was Russia and Korea.
The caution is: be careful no matter what. And: if you think your life is screwed now, try prison.
5:47 pm on March 26th, 2009 6
I can't stand they way you idiots always bash Filipinas. Even in death and also with the filipina who got stabbed by an insane drunk ass soldier. You guys disgust me. Maybe you are bitter because you have been burned by a filipina or dumb enough to spend your whole paycheck on the juicy girls in the ville.
6:33 pm on March 26th, 2009 7
Of the dozens of people I've know who married a Filipina I'd say maybe 2-5% are remotely content with their marriage. Some are lucky to divorce them with little or no damage but the vast majority of them get royally F'd over. I mean sure, there are exceptions to everything in life but if you think you're going to meet a nice Filipina girl on the Internet (or pen pal or any other means) and live happily ever after the odds are against you.
6:42 pm on March 26th, 2009 8
In no way am I advocating murder but if you're going to kill your wife for being a ho then at least get rid of the body so it can never be found. Read a mafia book or something. Jesus.
6:57 pm on March 26th, 2009 9
I haven't seen much Filipina bashing. I have seen a lot of juicy/whore/slut/scam artist bashing. They happen to be Filipinas in this case. Most of what has been said applies to these type of girls regardless of nationality.
It's too bad the system failed this officer and he didn't have a cheap and easy way to get this monster out of his life. While I don't agree with his actions, I can understand his pain and desperation. People make bad decisions when backed into a corner.
8:32 pm on March 26th, 2009 10
I'm glad he is eligible for parole. The case, when it first started, had the prosecutors saying it warranted the death penalty. Although he is going to sit in prison for a while, at least he will be free to enjoy his life while the cheating whore is not stealing oxygen.
Long Live CPT Gray
"I have never seen a Filipina Whore on an American base in Korea that wasn't pushing a baby stroller or accompanied by one of her whore friends.
9:28 pm on March 26th, 2009 11
A friend of mine back in the 90's received divorce papers from his cwunt hoerr wife and he just marked it with a big black magic marker "All women are whores-Die! Die! Die!" and sent it back to her. God I love that story.
9:55 pm on March 26th, 2009 12
Really sad story. I wonder what will happen to his stepdaughter? Also, were any of the other men involved with this married woman in the military?
If so, charges should be forthcoming.
11:16 pm on March 26th, 2009 13
Most of the men she was cheating with were Nigerian. The person who reported her missing was one of them.
7:51 am on March 27th, 2009 14
Wow.
Can it get any nastier?
…anyway…
What amazes me is how most of the people posting here are totally unable to differentiate between ladies, women, whoores and grifters.
No ladies are whoores. Not all women are "whoores"… per se. There are degrees of whoore-dom… even among working whoores… which should be considered.
Grifters, which is what is primarily being discussed in this case… and which most (but not all) juicies and Internet Girls fall into, deserve whatever they ask for… with the same amount of glee we feel when a pensioner gives both barrels of his shotgun to a crackhead burglar.
But I am seeing a lot of ideological women-haters and a lot of politically-correct borderline-effeminates who would defend the virtues of Aileen Wuornos, Margie Velma Barfield and Blanche Taylor Moore if given the chance to appear open-minded… or sensitive… or whatever.
Why is it nobody can just state that women are wonderful… and most Filipinas are wonderful… but, regardless of nationality, animals like Lea Gray just need to be put down for the good of society?
When a guy pulls this kind of sh!t on a girl, he is universally condemned… and rightfully so.
But it works both ways.
NOTHING good can, or should, be said about Lea Gray…
…and, before you condemn this statement as insensitive or inappropriate, remember the same court that found Chris guilty confirmed this statement. Take them both or not at all.
We can academically say she shouldn't have been murdered… but society doesn't really have any way to punish her for her actions. In fact, society rewards this kind of woman in many ways… and encourages others to do the same things.
Sure, Chris could have divorced her and moved on… but she still would have profited greatly from bad intentions while he would be severely punished for nothing more than being foolish and naive… just like every other swinging diick in a juicy bar or Internet chat room.
Now, if you can't wrap your mind around that, at least get from all this that you should never use your home computer to google "undetectable poisons to kill my cheating biitch-wife".
Lesson learned.
11:04 am on March 27th, 2009 15
Bless you my son
1:44 pm on March 27th, 2009 16
CH and everyone else, I'm working on a theory that in modern societies women ARE NOT wonderful. Before rolling your eyes at this just let it sink in for a moment. The idea came to me after traveling around recently. To start off with Korea is a great example of how women have changed because of modernity. More to follow..
6:49 pm on March 27th, 2009 17
Sounds like an argument for Sharia Law. Should we adopt Honor Killing?
1:00 am on March 28th, 2009 18
I knew a guy in TDC that paid money to take his juicy girl out of the bar and marry her. After he married her they got into a fight and she ran back to the bar so he had to pay to get her out again. He would always tell me and anyone else that would listen that his wife worked behind the bar, half of us were sperm doners to her in the past so we just kind of laughed under our breath when he said that. This girl didn't deserve to die though because I would bet he was flinging his sh!t around also. I have known a lot of Americans who have married these girls and I always wonder what they tell their kids when they ask what mommy did for living when she met daddy. I think it is pretty piss pour to be the kid of a spread eagle…
4:34 am on March 28th, 2009 19
Very funny!
Truly the victim is the little girl.
4:35 am on March 28th, 2009 20
Ft. stewart is crawling with flip strollers.
4:36 am on March 28th, 2009 21
She traded first world brass for 3rd world ass? WTF??!!
4:37 am on March 28th, 2009 22
She traded first world brass for 3rd world a**? WTF????
4:41 am on March 28th, 2009 23
You are a mighty guru!!!!!
4:51 am on March 28th, 2009 24
Shes does look to embody this kind of talk thats for sure. Much as I hate to see a fellow soldier snowed under by these types unfortunately testosterone and lonliness perpetuate this behavior and will until(unlikely) these setablishments i.e. Jbars are off limits.
5:33 am on March 28th, 2009 25
Looks like Lea "Backed that thang up one too many times!"
9:56 am on March 29th, 2009 26
Demize, your quote "Of the dozens of people I’ve know who married a Filipina I’d say maybe 2-5% are remotely content with their marriage. Some are lucky to divorce them with little or no damage but the vast majority of them get royally F’d over. I mean sure, there are exceptions to everything in life but if you think you’re going to meet a nice Filipina girl on the Internet (or pen pal or any other means) and live happily ever after the odds are against you."
Is just flat wrong about the general population. Of the dozens I know only about 50% are miserable, which is the national average for any race or ethnic group. Maybe you should get better friends or have them find wives in better places? Or you are exaggerating. In either case it doesn't help. The dire warnings are good to listen too, there are many many people that have gotten taken by flips, and also by gooks, nips, spics, ruskies, etc etc etc. Your correct in your final point: The odds ARE against you meeting anyone over the internet and living happily no matter the nationality.
2:12 am on March 31st, 2009 27
“I have never seen a Filipina Whore on an American base in Korea that wasn’t pushing a baby stroller or accompanied by one of her whore friends.
Dear, I'm so glad I'm back in the states because u myt find me on post w/o pushing a baby stroller or unaccompanied with friends having a thought that I'm not a whore.
Let me tell u secret. I'm just one of a whore in the service screwing my fellow soldiers while they're filipina wives have no idea.
U shld. suppose to know my fellow white and black ladies w/c are army wives definitely getting hook up too and whore around.
Why u just don't make it simple. There are whores everywhere regardless of skin tone and where they came from? Or shld. I say, I have never seen an American Whore on base here in America that was'nt pushing a baby stroller or accompanied by 1 of her whore friends?
TRUST ME!! There's bunches of em here if that's ur pathethic overview of what u thought u know about.
2:15 am on March 31st, 2009 28
Dear, I’m so glad I’m back in the states because u myt find me on post w/o pushing a baby stroller or unaccompanied with friends having a thought that I’m not a whore.
Let me tell u secret. I’m just one of a whore in the service screwing my fellow soldiers while they’re filipina wives have no idea.
U shld. suppose to know my fellow white and black ladies w/c are army wives definitely getting hook up too and whore around.
Why u just don’t make it simple. There are whores everywhere regardless of skin tone and where they came from? Or shld. I say, I have never seen an American Whore on base here in America that was’nt pushing a baby stroller or accompanied by 1 of her whore friends?
TRUST ME!! There’s bunches of em here if that’s ur pathethic overview of what u thought u know about
2:49 am on March 31st, 2009 29
I stand by what I have said. I have not seen a Filipina cum-dumpsters on an American base in Korea that wasn't accompanied by another rat or a baby carriage. I am only speaking for myself, you may have seen a Filipina alone, but I have not.
9:56 am on March 31st, 2009 30
I’m not entirely sure if I should cheer with agreement… or ridicule and make fun of it… or what.
It seems there is something sentient there making a point of some sort… but… I… uh… damned if I know what it is.
Mby itz cuz I dt spk ur lang and u shld. use Eng.
12:01 pm on March 31st, 2009 31
God, I believe Lemmy is right. I’ve never seen a Flipper alone on a military base either. They’re always with at least one other Flipper and usually pushing a baby stroller.
Fwuck that chicken “bluck bluck bluck” talk drives me nuts.
11:43 am on March 31st, 2009 32
Maybe they are with one other flipper because the assholes on base are always hitting on them? Maybe they just enjoy some company from missing home. Maybe because all americans want to have the boomboom with them and they are safer in groups?
Yeah, i know you won't like that comment, and you'll say 'not me, no way'. But the point is made. Your broad brush strokes and exaggerations don't do the argument justice.
I would guess that Reppilf and Lemmy need to go to their commander or EO officer and tell them the exact thing they have posted here so they can get out of here and not put up with it.
12:45 pm on March 31st, 2009 33
Why do I have a commander or EO officer? Tisk, tisk, tisk, you are showing your prejudices. I am only writing what I have seen. Please someone post a picture (wide angle) of a Filipina on an American base by herself.
1:10 pm on March 31st, 2009 34
No, the point is you are showing your prejudices. I'm trying to give a fair shake to the ethnic group in your exaggerations. Let me rephrase: You are a liar because it is more than likely, about 99.9%, that you have seen a flip alone. She might have been on the way to or from her group meeting, but you have seen them.
Wait, my mistake. You said you have not seen the cum-dumpsters alone. That may be correct. The non-cum-dumpstering flips may have been alone.
Got it.
1:54 pm on March 31st, 2009 35
I think during the day you might see a Flip walking from her husbands house to the barracks to screw someone from night shift. Usually a cop or some other E she met with her friends at the Club.
2:27 pm on March 31st, 2009 36
Well, then she was alone…….even if leaving a snail trail
6:08 pm on March 31st, 2009 37
Hmm, well I don't think any girl deserves death for cheating a guy. The guy let her cheat him remember. That being said … I f'cking hate ALL whores / con-artists, regardless of their nationality. Over here it just happens that most flips are prostitutes / thiefs.
Stop defending them, we've ALL seen them. Right outside the base's, trying to get any GI to "fall in love" with them, to get money and hopefully a free pass to the "land of the big PX". Now some are nice, as long as you don't take them back to the states and make damn sure they know you can leave their ass's in Korea if you want.
9:03 pm on March 31st, 2009 38
I swear to god I was just outside the main gate talking to a tailor and what walks by? An 8 month pregnant Filapano lol!
9:24 am on April 1st, 2009 39
It's nice of you to condemn a race by saying 'most are' based on your tiny experience here. There are like 70 or 80 million flips that are not outside the gate or on base.
If you go to Korean got a job in the U.S. at a prison, would it be fair to say most blacks are criminals? I mean, he would have only seen that environment and facts show that the prison population are minority (we can get into the societal ills on why in another topic).
If a Chinese guy gets a job at a warehouse in California that has 75% illegals working, can he then say that all Mexicans are illegals?
The point is, I would encourage a fewer statements of "all" or "most" in any matter. I strongly agree that there are many many flips who marry to get out of their chit situation back home, and the first thing they do is get pregnant (they think it will make the guy stay), and the second thing they do is quit wearing makeup, and the third thing they do is associate with the flip mafia. However, that being said I am not willing to condemn the species as I also know a few guys who have met their flip wives in the U.S. where none of those other factors apply.
4:16 pm on April 1st, 2009 40
I worked with a guy here in Korea who met and married his Filapina wife while they were in grad school in the States.
I can't help but wonder what he thought whenever people gave him that "Oh……..you married one of them too…" looks.
11:30 pm on April 4th, 2009 41
Well, I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. I met my Filipina not in PI, not on the Internet, and not in some juicy bar. She worked for the same company I did, we ended up falling in love and having a wonderful child, and there was never a time where she felt the need to go out, get drunk, and get laid.
I do see a lot of 40+ dudes married to the early 20 Filipinas in Korea, and I'm not even in Seoul. I would guess there are even more up there. Anyway, I've seen more bad than good when it comes to USA marrying PI, but that's because these old bastards marry these young girls. The CPT was almost 40, she was 20s, those are two very different ages and attitudes. Maybe the problem isn't the PI girls, maybe it's the horny old pervs that marry the young'ns after their other marriages fail, then they treat the women like baby factories, whores, maids, etc. then are surprised they act like that with other guys.
I know if my wife treated me like hell, I'd be out there with any piece of ass, also.
1:14 am on April 5th, 2009 42
It's not because the old guys marry the young ones. The Filipino culture is male dominated and very corrupt(politicians, dishonesty, sneaky, manipulating, gambling, drinking, womanizing). It's all learned very early in life by every Filipino.
When these stupid guys marry these Filipinas they don't know what they're getting into.
6:16 pm on April 5th, 2009 43
AS A FEMALE SOLDIER AND BEING A BIT PHILIPINE I UNDERSTAND THE REAS0NS WHY THESE GIRLS ARE HERE IN KOREA. IT UPSETS ME WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A REPUTATION AND WELL NOW ITS A STEROTYPE THING AND I GET IT ALL THE TIME BUT IT DON'T BOTHER ME NO MORE. I JUST IGNORE IT AND GO ALONG MY DAY. THEY ARE HERE FOR WORK AND THEY DON'T CARE NOTHING ABOUT YOU..ABOUT 2 OUT OF 10 OF THEM ARE GOOD AND DO WANT SOMETHING SERIOUS. I JUST THINK ITS BETTER OFF THAT MALES SHOULD NEVER GET WITH OR MARRY ONE, THEY SHOULD JUST HOOK UP WITH A NICE LIL KOREA GIRL LIKE THE REST OF THESE DESPERATE GUYS… WELL SOME. IM NOT REALLY CONCERNED WITH CPT GRAY.. IM JUST CONCERNED FOR THE DAUGHTER.
6:45 am on April 9th, 2009 44
First, how can the naive Capt be an leader and fall prey to an internet marriage scam? This tells me he wasn't good officer material to begin with. He should have received a poor rating on his OPR under judgment. Still, he had no right to kill his wife. Get a divorce! If not married for 10 years, she would not have been entitled to any of his retirement. He would only had to pay for his daughter (if it is his daughter)until age 18. It is a matter of economics for these young ladies coming from the P.I. to work in Korea. They are in survival mode. Why call them every name in the book, but a child of God? If you know that they're out to marry you for citizenship or money then leave them alone. It's that simple. The problem is these men who starve for sex. For these women, it is a business: you have a requirement for their product. I'm almost positive that the men calling these women tramps, whores, etc., are young, dumb, ignorant lonely bastards who couldn't produce a serious relationship even if they were in the states. I was stationed at Osan AB for 4 wonderful years. I had no problems with juicy girls. I had a life. It's a one year assignment. Go to school or learn Korean instead of being preoccupied with getting laid. Bottom line: the shallow captain should have received the death penalty. Did she have a right to kill him for being STUPID!!
9:39 am on April 9th, 2009 45
She should have been concerned for her daughter like you are Miss V. Just think, maybe she would be alive and caring for her right now.
She got what she deserved
9:45 am on April 9th, 2009 46
Wow, Former
There is a lot you don't know about this case. You should have read more before posting your opinions. If you had, you would have all your questions answered.
Where, on any form, is the block that ask "are you a leader"? I know of very, very few leaders that wear any kind of rank. Because you attend a school – does not make you a leader in my book I hope it doesn't in your either. I call Lea a whore because she fit the definition. You should look it up. Go to dictionary.com – it's pretty easy.
2:29 pm on April 9th, 2009 47
Being a whore or sleeping around doesn't give the captain the right to kill his wife. That is God's call. Like I said before, get a divorce! Your argument and justification for the capt killing his wife is weak and borders on juvenile with some retardation thrown in. Sounds like you want to impart your "personal" values and morals because your feelings are hurt. I do not need to read more about the case, the jury made the correct decision. So, do you agree the captain deserved to be murdered by his wife for being shallow, gullible and STUPID? My God, young man, there would be millions of murders in each year in the U.S. if husbands were killing their spouses for cheating on them. That's why divorce court stays packed. Maybe she was cheating on him because he was below par in bed. I'm not for or against the captain, the FACTS speak for themselves. What if you decide to cheat on your wife because you found someone better. Should she have the right to kill you–NO. Get a divorce. You need to think deeply before condemning someone to death because of your narrow values and views. Look it up in http://www.dictionary.com–condemn. Peace!
6:49 pm on April 9th, 2009 48
Former, I don't make the rule. But the rule says "only the strong survive" In this case Lea had no regard for her husband- she could have filed for divorce just as easily as he. The bottom line is she did not. She pissed the wrong person off. You may be different, you might be the kind of person who feels natural law no longer exist in this world. I don't know you. I do know that about a year after OEF kicked off, there were five SF operators who returned from Afghanistan and killed their wives. They killed them because they were unfaithful. Had these women controlled themselves or filed for divorce (in N.C. the filing fee is only $35.00) they would be alive. However they, like Lea, pissed off the wrong person. Those are the facts of
life, if you don't like them it's only a matter of time. There was ample justification for CPT Gray to kill his wife. According to the prosecution, this was a well defined pre-meditated, well planned and well executed murder. CPT Gray knew for weeks that he was going to kill his wife. All of that came out in the CM. CPT Gray admitted to it when he was booked into the detention facility at USAG-H and he had a big smile on his face when he was booked. Prior to the trial, the prosecutors claimed this to be a text book death-penalty case. Ask youself why the sentence imposed was life-with-eligibility-for-parole. All of Lea's actions were taken into consideration. For you to bring God into the equation, you have to ask yourself: Did God use CPT Gray to Kill Lea? Maybe he did. According to God, or at least the Holy Bible, the only sin that is worse than the other is the one about worshiping another God.
Face it, some people deserve to die for the pain they cause others. Lea caused a lot of pain and she deserved to die. Cheating on your spouse is not a game, the consequences tend to be death.
No Reply Necessary
8:29 pm on April 9th, 2009 49
I agree with Lemmy. The Capt. was humiliated by his wife's actions and the penalty was death. It probably would have better to have her fall down and hit her head and make it look like an accident. At least it'd be much harder to prove premeditation.
3:30 am on April 10th, 2009 50
Young man, that's your choice to agree with Lemmy. I don't won't to change your mind because you're hell bent that Lea was trash and she deserved to die violently. How in the hell did the two of you get into the military. You must have lied on the psychological test. I see that the two of you possess the same value system. If you are not married and plan on getting married in the future, please warn your wife that you will KILL her for sleeping around on you. So, the morale of the story goes something like this: marry a girl from the P.I. many, many years your junior via the internet, she cheats on you, you kill her for humiliating you and you rot in jail for life with the possibility of parole, but not guaranteed. I guess he did have the last laugh. One more thing, who else deserve to die for cheating spouse: Ted Haggart, Jimmy Swaggart, catholic priests, Bill Clinton 90 percent of Congress, 50 percent of all married active duty personnel in the Army, Air Force, Navy and Marines.
6:21 am on April 10th, 2009 51
If she would have lived all she would have done is rob the good earth of innocent oxygen. The #1 rule if you're going to eliminate unnecessary garbage is to be sure they never find the garbage. Never.
7:26 am on April 10th, 2009 52
Former Osan Veteran '87,'88,'97'98 ,
I think you are missing much of the point. It is not only about "cheating".
That is simply a single star in a much larger constellation of undesirability.
Other stars might include serial fraud, premeditated theft, pathological deception, aiding and abetting criminals and drug dealers, weakening of military readiness, the first step of an invasion of unskilled and uneducated individuals siphoning American assets… more can be listed if you wish.
When all this is taken into account, as well as a lack of any positive aspects of her existence, there seems to be no benefit to America, its military or its citizens… quite the opposite, in fact.
Many here have seen the wreckage this kind of animal leaves in their path.
Nobody is claiming the right to decide who deserves to live and die… nor are they championing Captain Gray for brilliant decision-making… but many are nodding their heads in approval at the outcome.
Also, if you choose to bring God into the discussion, be aware that He is righteous, just, all-knowing and all-powerful. Since Captain Gray is somewhat less powerful than God, he was not able to commit any action which was against His will. This was God's will and Captain Gray was his glorious servant in carrying out His wishes. QED.
"I’m almost positive that the men calling these women tramps, whores, etc., are young, dumb, ignorant lonely bastards who couldn’t produce a serious relationship even if they were in the states."
Quite the opposite, in fact. These ignorant and lonely bastards incapable of a relationship are generally the ones championing the juicy system and espousing the virtues of prostitutes.
Guys who are fully aware of the situations and motivations within the juicy community are generally rather put off by it all. Guys who can "produce a (healthy) relationship" without money exchanging hands are generally disgusted by the whole thing.
9:37 am on April 10th, 2009 53
ChickenHead,
I applaud you and your argument. It was very well articulated, but with the plethora of offenses you listed that she committed, it's no wonder she wasn't deported or charged by the local auhorities. I don't know the whole story, but did the young captain report her wrong doings to the proper authorities? Sounds like the system failed him–right,wrong? I still believe his vigilante move was the wrong choice because he's paying for it. You might think that this is a small price to pay to rid the earth of scum like Lea. It makes no sense to bring God into the equation because there are too many preachers with too many interpretations of His words.
8:13 pm on April 14th, 2009 54
Well I just thought of a positive reason for her existence, or rather the only positive that could of come out of her existence. She probably served quite well as a multi-injection-port semen-collection-module.
Anyhow, continue on with the banter and argument *munches popcorn*
2:15 am on April 15th, 2009 55
Former,
I will agree with you, that the Vigilante move should have been avoided. BUT, I can understand how situations unknown to you or I could have lead to this (in his mind) being something deserving of such action. I have known some very nice women from the PI, ROK, USA. Some others that just deserved a good whipping. Never met one that was deserving of a life sentence on my part. Not one.
But Gray believed otherwise. I don't want to think about what it would take to make me come to the same conclusion as he. But there are women out there, that will push every button, if you let them. Apparently, she pushed them all. I wish for him peace of mind.
7:45 am on April 15th, 2009 56
RAN sounds like he is looking to justify why he smokes pole
12:30 am on April 16th, 2009 57
Even home grown American women can drive a man to the breaking point. But most of us can reason and repress these urges.
8:11 am on April 19th, 2009 58
This just shows how modern society turns everything upside down. When men were strong apelike creatures they ruled the roost. Modern life screws everything up as it makes men weak and women powerful. It's bad for both sexes, men ruin their lives by being "tricked" by a conniving woman and women ruin their lives by manipulating men to marry them and never realizing why she isn't happy unless she's tormenting someone.
4:41 am on May 20th, 2009 59
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5:29 pm on May 20th, 2009 60
I have to comment on this one. I have been reading ROKDrop for a long time and agree with much that I read. Some really good postings and some good comments, some funny and some thought provoking.
These comments however are really poor though. I read over and over about the unfair stereotypes Koreans have about the military, English teachers, and the US in general. More often then not there is some truth (a small grain)to the stereotypes we have for people. Stereotypes are a type of cognitive shortcut used to help us quickly assess a situation or person when very little information is known or when we do not have time to make a fully informed decision.
The stereotypes about all Filipinas based the experiences one has in the juicy bars is not very accurate. Consider again the crying on this website and others that takes place because of the stereotypes Korean have due to a few English teachers smoking out, or a soldier gets caught in a fight (even if it is in self-defense) yet it is perfectly acceptable to stereotype and condemn Capt. Grey, Lea Grey, and in particular Filipinas in general.
Though I have not followed the story closely or know all the facts in the case it still seems a stretch to make all these negative comments (even if there is some truth to them) because we (white American) hate it when Koreans do the same to us (even when there is some truth to it).
Just me observation.
12:57 pm on May 21st, 2009 61
Hmmm…
Teneg,
"Stereotypes are a type of cognitive shortcut used to help us quickly assess a situation or person when very little information is known or when we do not have time to make a fully informed decision."
Excellent. I like that.
On the other hand, branding something a stereotype is another cognitive shortcut when one wants to disagree with a conclusion but the evidence pretty much supports it.
To extend the metaphor, there is a cognitive superhighway to the stereotype from a guy who kills his wife, plans it so poorly and covers his tracks so sloppily.
There is clean and efficient cognitive public transportation with a helpful staff that leaves every 5 minutes to the stereotype from Filipinas trolling the Internet… as the "stereotype" is really an honest explanation of the well-known system.
…much like claiming that "fish living in the water" is just a stereotype. Maybe it is… but that doesn't make it wrong.
1:21 pm on May 27th, 2009 62
Cpt. Grey reported her missing…get your facts right.
10:03 am on July 12th, 2009 63
i am currently in a relationship with a filipina.i have been to p.i 2 times in one year and just recently spent 50 days with her.i had a great time and was treated with great respect from hend her family.still sometimes i get paranoid because of the reputation of girls there.thats because i know that even the ones that seem ok can still be bad.the key here i think it is to pay close attention to what your doing and stay alert.also just take these relationships slowly.very slowly and dont send lots of money because thats just stupid
2:18 pm on July 12th, 2009 64
You might want to spend less time on your back (or whichever position you prefer) and more time working with "Hooked on Phonics". I think I "got" about 40% of what you "wrote". Good grief…
2:22 pm on July 12th, 2009 65
Be careful where you go with that line of questioning. You may not be comfortable with the answers.
3:07 pm on July 12th, 2009 66
i think she got exactly what she deserved.relationships are to be taken seriously.when a mans emotions are concerned and he is betrayed,there is no telling what he is capable of.she obviously does not take love seriously but he does.also i hope the rest of the cheating types of filipinas hear about this because maybe they will think twice.some of us men are not stable
1:56 pm on October 16th, 2009 67
to all idiots stop talking about Filipina.If you don't like Filipina ladies then you all idiots go to hell
10:18 pm on July 24th, 2010 68
I am a Filipina who used to go to high school with Lea Bahena-Gray and I also happen to have an aunt married to an American who was divorced. He was one of the lucky ones. They were married for over 20 years and she cared for him until he died of pancreatic CA a few months ago.
I attended Lea's wake when her body was brought back home to be buried a few months back. I came across this old article after going over some high school pics a former classmate posted with Lea in a lot of them. Please do not try to judge someone you barely know. Anyone can make mistakes but no one ever deserves to be killed in any manner and have one's body thrown out in the wilderness.
May you rest in peace, Lea.
By the way, many of you may not be aware that Lea is a college degree holder. The high school we attended is also well-known and prestigious here in Cebu City, Philippines. A lot of Lea's classmates are professional in different fields. I happen to be a medical doctor doing residency training as of the moment here in our country.
9:21 pm on October 19th, 2010 69
To all those people who believed that my sister deserved what she got, may all of you GO TO HELL!
In my own opinion,NO one has every right to take a life of a human being, most especially if that person is not a criminal. Sure, my sister made a mistake, but that does not give Chris the right to kill her. My husband committed infidelity several times, but it never crossed my mind to commit such a heinous crime. People with good moral values, should know the difference between right and wrong.
My only question is this? How come the US Military allowed this to happen? I know Chris had a restraining order, since my sister filed a complaint against him. He was not allowed to see my sister and my niece. But when I asked the peeps regarding this issue, they told me they don't know anything about it. But, that's impossible!
FACT: my sister has experienced a physical abuse from her husband, and my niece was able to witness that. How come not anyone is aware of this?
9:38 pm on October 19th, 2010 70
Lemmy, how the hell would you feel if I'll kill your son, Christopher Gray, for murdering my sister? He took my sister's life, so I believe, I have every right to take his, right? What GOES around, comes around!
12:09 am on October 20th, 2010 71
I hope they give Christopher Parole as soon as Possible. So does my PI girlfriend.
12:34 am on October 20th, 2010 72
Peeps? You were talking to those yellow marshmallow candy things? Why?
5:10 am on October 20th, 2010 73
Dearest Celeste,
> may all of you GO TO HELL!
I did nothing to deserve this curse. As an hispanic, my honor requires that I redeem myself. To insult me, an innocent observer, in such a fashion, requires a response.
> NO one has every right to take a life of a human being, most especially if that person is not a criminal.
But your sister was a criminal. She was an adulterer and she defrauded her husband.
> My husband committed infidelity several times, but it never crossed my mind to commit such a heinous crime.
It is because he is a man and you are weak. A woman should never insult her man with this action.
> People with good moral values, should know the difference between right and wrong.
Your sister did not have good moral values and did not know right from wrong. Captain Gray did.
> My only question is this? How come the US Military allowed this to happen?
They did not "allow" it to happen. It happened. It was mostly her fault.
> I know Chris had a restraining order, since my sister filed a complaint against him. He was not allowed to see my sister and my niece.
So how was it that she walked into his apartment and came out in a suitcase?
> But when I asked the peeps regarding this issue, they told me they don’t know anything about it. But, that’s impossible!
What "peeps"?
> FACT: my sister has experienced a physical abuse from her husband, and my niece was able to witness that. How come not anyone is aware of this?
Based on what Stars & Stripes, co worker and posters here have to say, she had it coming.
I do not want to comment here but your insult to me crossed the line.
5:19 am on October 20th, 2010 74
Good Job Cosmos. Well said.
7:52 pm on October 20th, 2010 75
VINCE,
I do not work for the U.S. government. So there is no need for me to acknowledge them!
8:12 pm on October 20th, 2010 76
Celeste
I'm not sure what you are referring to in your last posting. Help me out, please!
8:21 pm on October 20th, 2010 77
Bottom line- this lady was up to no good. She played with fire and literally got burned.
Did she deserve to be killed like she was? I won't go that far, but refer my opening sentence.
Few things cause such absolute rage as being cheated, being used, or being dumped. If one person does any of those to another, while it might be ILLEGAL for the offended party to kill the offender, no law on earth can protect that person from the determined efforts of a wrathful person- and that person puts himself/herself in danger if he/she does not take caution in even the most routine daily affairs.
He's in jail. She's dead. He might get out someday. Might. Her situation ain't gonna change.
8:24 pm on October 20th, 2010 78
COSMOS
You sure u did not do a thing? You just insulted my sister! How the hell would you want me to react?
And how well do you know Lea, anyway?
You are just one judgmental moron. I can assure you, I am not weak! I just know how to value SELF RESPECT and INTEGRITY, but unlike Chris, he just doesn't know how.
I'm just wondering as to why you're affected with my comments.
It is a fact that Christopher Gray, murdered my sister. And it is also a fact he is a CRIMINAL. Well, maybe you are as well. Were you his accomplice? How many women have you physically abused or murdered?
The primary crime scene took place in their apartment, which was within the premises of the US Military base camp. And I know they were already separated at that time, since Lea wanted to file for a divorce, while Chris claimed to me,he wants his wife back. So, do not point a finger at my sister, because your basis is just from what you have read. While I had a talk with both Chris and my sister before he murdered her.
8:27 pm on October 20th, 2010 79
Vince
This was my answer to your current posting
"Peeps? You were talking to those yellow marshmallow candy things? Why?"
8:34 pm on October 20th, 2010 80
Vince,
Do you know my sister personally that it was easy for you to say that she was up to no good? My sister married Chris, because she thought, he loved her daughter, Bianca. She was very proud when she married him, because she kept on telling me about it and at the same time she had it posted as well. So, if you do not know Lea, just shut up, ok?
10:10 pm on October 20th, 2010 81
Oh. She was different. She wasn't LIKE all the OTHERS!
Now I understand.
Sorry about your loss. I thought she was like all the OTHER little WestPac vampires I knew when I was in the fleet. I now see I was wrong, because you told me so.
Still- if he was abusive, as you say, and she went to see him when he had a restraining order, she wasn't using a lot of good sense. Life is dangerous enough without people who actively don't like you and want to cause you harm. There's a lesson to be learned here.
11:14 pm on October 20th, 2010 82
Reminds me of the phrase by Chris Rock " He didn't have to kill her, but I understand"
1:22 pm on October 25th, 2010 83
COSMOS!
SINCE WHEN WAS COMMITTING AN ADULTEROUS ACT CONSIDERED A CRIMINAL OFFENSE? IF IT WERE, CHRISTOPHER GRAY'S FIRST WIFE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL FOR THAT. SHE CHEATED ON HIM SEVERAL TIMES AND GOT HERSELF PREGNANT WITH ANOTHER MAN. CHRIS DID NOT EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT KILLING HER, BUT HE INSTEAD, FILED FOR A DIVORCE.
AND MY SISTER WAS NEVER A FRAUD!!! DURING THEIR SEPARATION, SHE WAS NO LONGER RECEIVING ANY FINANCIAL SUPPORT FROM CHRIS. SHE WAS STRUGGLING ON HER OWN AND WAS WORKING AS A PART TIME TEACHER AND COACHING THE KIDS' BASKETBALL TEAM. SHE EVEN LOANED MONEY FROM HER BEST FRIEND, IN THE PHILIPPINES, WORTH $2,000. AND WAS SUPPOSE TO USE IT FOR HER AIRFARE TICKET GOING TO HAWAII, FOR HER US CITIZENSHIP INTERVIEW. BUT UNFORTUNATELY SHE WAS NOT ABLE TO USE IT, BECAUSE SHE WAS MURDERED. SO, WHERE DID THE MONEY GO? I'M PRETTY SURE IT DID NOT GO TO THE LITTLE GIRL'S POCKET, BUT WENT STRAIGHT TO THE CRIMINAL.
1:24 pm on October 25th, 2010 84
Vince,
You shouldn't feel sorry for me, but you ought to feel sorry for my niece, 'cause she'll forever live in pain and fear.
3:48 pm on October 25th, 2010 85
Vince, I'm with you on this one. Her quote is: "My sister married Chris, because she thought, he loved her daughter, Bianca. She was very proud when she married him, because she kept on telling me about it and at the same time she had it posted as well."
Ah, so it wasn't because he loved her, or she loved him, just that he would take care of the kid? And, she EVEN POSTED it as well? Well by golly, it must have been true love if it was posted!
3:51 pm on October 25th, 2010 86
Hmmm…
Hollywood should make a movie about Lea Gray.
A single mother and serial adulteress borrowed $2000 from a "friend" for a $600 round trip ticket to Hawaii for a fraudulent citizenship interview based on a sham marriage arranged on an Internet dating site.
It has EVERY miserable plot point.
This sounds like the basis for a great science fiction move…
…being that Lea was an alien AND a predator.
5:14 pm on October 25th, 2010 87
#82
Was Chris Rock referring to OJ Simpson?
5:45 pm on October 25th, 2010 88
#87, He was. It is a pretty funny album.
9:10 pm on October 25th, 2010 89
Celeste – "When is adultery a criminal offense?" When the sentence is death.
Who says the only entity who can exact punishment is the state? Maybe a worthless whore or Democrat
The whore, formally known as Lea, mentally tortured Christopher for a long time. Christopher "rescued" the whore and her daughter from a life of poverty and destitute in a third world country. However, the whore forgot to advance the life of her daughter or herself by leaving her whoreish lifestyle in the PI.
Christopher gave that whore a "golden ticket" to a comfortable life and her daughter a free education. What, how did the whore show her thanks?
You know the answer to that, AND THE PUNISHMENT WAS DEATH.
Your anger, frustration, and ignorance will haunt you for the rest of your life until you realize what your friend did was WRONG. If you ever come to realize your friend was a whore and drug addict who tortured Christopher, you will have peace.
Girls are not "made of sugar, spice, and everything nice" they are human beings who make decisions with repercussions.
1:57 pm on October 27th, 2010 90
Lemmy,
My sister was not whore! Nor did we live in poverty. She would not have finished two College degrees (BS Computer Science and BS Education) here in the Philippines, in a private school,if we were poor and IGNORANT! Do not defend Christopher Gray, because your son is one fucked up CRIMINAL! Don't you remember, he brought along my niece when he dumped the lifeless body of my sister. Our little girl will never forget what her stepfather did to her mom.
2:04 pm on October 27th, 2010 91
Lemmy,
My sister was not a whore! Nor did we live in poverty. She never would have finished two College degrees here, in a private school. Stop defending a CRIMINAL. What Chris did will never be forgotten by our little girl. You perhaps never saw the video footage, that your son brought along the little girl with him, as he dumped the lifeless body of my sister.
It's not over yet! Wait til we file a CIVIL CASE against Christopher Gray, I can guarantee you, he will not only rot in jail but will definitely taste his own dose of medicine!
2:08 pm on October 27th, 2010 92
CHIKENHEAD & MARCUS AMBROSE!
You do NOT have the right to insult my sister! Well I only hope you have a daughter, and will someday experience what my niece did.
GO TO HELL, you FAGs!
2:15 pm on October 27th, 2010 93
DO NOT BE HYPOCRITES, you dumb ass Americans! The first wife of Christopher Gray, who's an AMERICAN, also committed adultery! Got herself pregnant with another man! What difference does it make, if an American wife cheated on her spouse???
You crazy, racist Americans!
2:19 pm on October 27th, 2010 94
Celeste, don't focus on this board it will not help anything, move on with your life. My best wishes for you and your sister's daughter.
2:29 pm on October 27th, 2010 95
LISTEN UP YOU RACISTS!
A mark of TRUE NOBILITY is not to hold ones head high, but to bear oneself humbly in a high station of life!
Christopher Gray was not a noble man, but a judgmental criminal!
3:30 pm on October 27th, 2010 96
Michael,
You're being a bit judgmental yourself in your post calling Americans racist. Some Americans – true. All Americans; not true. There are racists in every group. You're not holding your head high nor are you bearing yourself humbly in a high station of life.
Make your points succinctly and follow your own advise and others might listen and hear get your point. Otherwise, you're just stoking the flames.
3:37 pm on October 27th, 2010 97
LOL, at least you make me smile Celeste. And you POSTED it, so we must be racist fags.
3:39 pm on October 27th, 2010 98
BTW Celeste, I met this very pretty nice girl named Celeste and her sister (well, 1/2 sister) in Edsa and had a great night with them. Wound up spending lots of money on them, supposedly for college. Did you ever happen to work in Edsa 10 years ago? Just wondering……..
3:40 pm on October 27th, 2010 99
Sorry, Edsa is wrong. It is in Pasay on EDSA. But you probably know that.
4:34 pm on October 27th, 2010 100
Having seen this kind of scam play out over and over, both in the Philippines and in Korea… as well as with many European/North American residents in the PI, military members stationed in Korea, English teachers in Korea and Koreans, I have a very good idea of the signs and symptoms of predatory third-world gold diggers… I also have very strong negative opinions of them… and ZERO sympathy… as I have watched the trail of destruction they have left behind them from the PI to Hong Kong to Korea to the United States.
I understand a girl wanting to get out of her poor situation. What I can't understand is how, once they do, they screw it all up by lying, stealing, manipulating and needlessly screwing around.
So, let's take a look at a few statement here.
"My sister was not a whore!"
I guess if she was giving her body to all those guys for free, technically, you are correct. Would you classify her as a slut?
"Nor did we live in poverty. She never would have finished two College degrees here, in a private school."
So… if she was so smart, rich and educated, what was she doing trolling for foreign guys on the Internet?
Protip: The vast majority of third-world girls you meet on the Internet are running a scam. Guys, stay FAR away from that crap. If you want a Filipina wife, go to a non-tourist area of the Philippines and select one of the many fantastic "normal" Filipinas available… and you will likely be a happy husband. Select a juicy girl or one of the multi-timing Internet scamsters and, more likely than not, your life is over.
"Stop defending a CRIMINAL."
There has been little, if any, defense of Chris Gray… but there has been understanding.
To be clear, my official statement is that his actions were not correct. I probably speak for the majority of posters here.
Condemnation of Chris' actions does not equal approval of Lea's actions, however.
"It’s not over yet! Wait til we file a CIVIL CASE against Christopher Gray, I can guarantee you, he will not only rot in jail but will definitely taste his own dose of medicine!"
…'cause it's all about the M.O.N.E.Y… money! Hunny bunny… ain't that funny?
Well, perhaps you can squeeze some blood out of that turnip… that broke turnip doing life in prison…
…but more likely, you will "blame" the military in your civil suit… and they will be the ones to pay.
It will give Chris Gray no dose of his own medicine… and likely have absolutely no effect on him…
…but you don't really care about that… as it will line your scheming family's empty pockets with easy money tainted with the greedy blood of your dirty sister.
"CHIKENHEAD & MARCUS AMBROSE!
You do NOT have the right to insult my sister! Well I only hope you have a daughter, and will someday experience what my niece did.
GO TO HELL, you FAGs!"
FAGs? Hey, don't bring Marcus Ambrose's sexuality into this!
I doubt I will have a daughter that will experience the same thing… being that, even with the end of DADT, I can't see myself getting pregnant by god-knows-who, trolling for a military man to scam on the Internet, cheating on him at every chance, etc.
Marcus? Can you see yourself in that position? No?
michael,
"DO NOT BE HYPOCRITES, you dumb ass Americans!"
That's a good way to get your point across, you wormy little poor Filipino. Come on, Michael, we can trade personal and nationalistic insults all day… but that's not the issue. The issue here is if Lea was a good girl or not. The evidence says… no.
"The first wife of Christopher Gray, who’s an AMERICAN, also committed adultery! Got herself pregnant with another man!"
Uh-huh. His first wife was obviously a dirty skank as well… and stupid, too. I doubt ANYBODY here will argue with you about that… or giver her ANY support.
So, what's your point again?
"You crazy, racist Americans!"
Racist? Nobody here has even considered (or knows) the race of his first wife… or cares. As there has been no talk of race, you seem to mean, "You crazy, NATIONALISTIC Americans!"
While Americans here hope to protect America, its military and its citizens from foreign scam artists, many posters here like the Philippines and "normal" Filipinos/Filipinas very much. I doubt there are many bad feelings towards the Philippines by most people here… mostly it is just pity.
The issue here is a woman who made a lot of bad personal choices, committed premeditated fraud against the United States and its citizens, and seemed to lack ethics and morals.
This transcends race and nationality… and, if you read other posts, you will see equally harsh condemnation for Americans, even (gasp!) WHITE Americans who have done similar things… and equal glee when they get a taste of their own medicine.
Instead of insulting everyone here with angry rants, honor Lea's legacy by explaining the exact situation. Explain why we are wrong to think she was scamming for a fat American paycheck, fraudulently trying to obtain an American citizenship, having sex with guys who were not her husband.
If we are wrong, you can easily set the record straight with detailed facts of the situation and clear explanations of her motivations.
If we are right… well… we will just continued to be called crazy racists that should go to hell.
10:34 pm on October 27th, 2010 101
Michael, Lucky for me that I've been to the Philippines many times and know some good people there.
If the only knowledge of the Philippines was what I read in this post from you, it is safe to say My feelings of the PI would be very negative. Nothing good has been said about Lea, even from you. Celeste sounds like a bitter american woman. Not a Filipina. Based on you two, I would advise my friends not to visit the philippines. You two make the philippines sound like a group of islands filled with hatefull racist. Perhaps I should also speak to my Congressman about the money sent to help such a hatefull race of people as live in the Philippines.
Thanks for jumping in Mike. I thought it was just one hatefull idiot named Celeste. Now I see it is most of the Philippines. Thanks for helping me understand the filipino nature, poor uneducated and hatefull as it is. Thanks for changing my mind about the Philippines too. Now I see there is nothing special about YOU PEOPLE. Just a bunch of ungreatful uneducated haters of America. I'll be sure and pass my new understanding of the Philippine People along to the rest of america.
You have a fine Catholic day.
9:07 pm on October 28th, 2010 102
RETIRED GI
How is it possible you are attacking me now? Is there anything that I should be grateful towards the Americans? If I'm not mistaken, my parents sent me to a good school and not you or any Americans! Maybe you are the idiot here and not me. I carefully stated in my comments how I hate it when people insult my sister and do not give a good amount of consideration to my little niece.
9:21 pm on October 28th, 2010 103
CHICKENHEAD,
You sure got affected with my posts. And it seems like you were trying to defend some of your lousy, judgmental friends, who are as lame as your ass.
And you think we are after the money? We are after JUSTICE here. And we are also thinking of the little girl's welfare. And if we were so poor, my sisters and I should never have finished a College degree, and we never should have afforded to consult a lawyer. But we did.
Maybe you just can't accept the fact that there are many Filipinos who know the LAW and RESPECT the law, as well.
So, DO NOT underestimate US!
9:24 pm on October 28th, 2010 104
Well, you Americans started it! You all think you are far better than most Filipinos. But obviously, you aren't!
If you people do not want to be insulted, just stop judging us.
9:31 pm on October 28th, 2010 105
Yes, Marcus Ambrose, you are the dumbest fag I've ever met in my entire life. Try to do some research, 'cause you insulted the Filipino people who are in the LUZON area. The Philippines consists of 3 Regions, my dear.
So, before you say something out loud, make sure you know what you're talking about, you dummy.
9:33 pm on October 28th, 2010 106
And if you guys insult the Filipino people from the Mindanao area, who are Muslims, I'm pretty sure you will encounter another 9/11 attack!
9:46 pm on October 28th, 2010 107
Stop insulting the Bahena's. They have sufferred enough after they lost Lea, from a cold blooded murder. You guys should know better! Don't you have any consideration to the little girl? She grew up without a biological dad, and now she no longer has a mom. Yet you keep on trying to make things hard for her! How is it possible for this kid to move on if you keep on insulting her mom and her whole family.
Remember, she was able to witness the heinous crime. So let us give her some respect rather than saying a lot of nasty things towards her mom and her sister.
10:14 pm on October 28th, 2010 108
Yup, they should make a hollywood movie on that CHIcKENHEAD. And then the Muslim people will start to torture more American soldiers again, for being such a LOSER!
12:09 am on October 29th, 2010 109
105, Michael you weak little man. You know you're weak also. That is why you invoke the Muslim (so called) faith. Now I understand why you are such a useless person. You're a muslim. I'm not impressed. I killed a few not too long ago. Muslims die easy.
You and Celeste make sence now. You're muslims. Well know for their violence and hate of all freedoms. Life is cheap for you.
Mindanao is well known to me. At first I thought the husband acted stupidly. Now I see that he was simply killing the enemy. I would say that the Kid is better off without her mother, but since you two are muslims, that is not the case.
Don't worry. We will get around to cleaning out Mindanao in due time. It is not important, at the moment.
I hope you were not trying to impress anyone by stating you're muslim's from Mindanao. Now I know how small, ignorant and racist you two really are.
#107, I don't fear muslims. I do like to watch them twitch after being shot.
Life is cheap for you two (Celeste / Michael). That is fine with me. You don't respect life. That is fine with me too.
Which means that ChickenHead is correct. You're after the MONEY. You don't care about the little girl at all. She is a TOOL to raise funds for your muslim jihad.
Thanks Michael, now I have a CLEAR UNDERSTANDING of this. Celeste, I would say that you should be ashamed, but I know muslims have no shame.
Your Mask is off muslim.
12:12 am on October 29th, 2010 110
"Yes, Marcus Ambrose, you are the dumbest fag I’ve ever met in my entire life."
Keep it classy, Celeste, keep it classy.
Once again, though…
The Philippines and Filipino people are not the issue here… as the actions being discussed are not representative of the majority of the Filipino people.
Consideration for the "little girl" is not the issue here. We are not "making things hard for her" or keeping her from "moving on"… unless she has an internet connection and somebody to explain what is written here. That would be an interesting twist, though.
Chris Gray's terrible actions are not the issue here. While he is a murderer and a criminal, that does not affect judgment of Lea and her actions.
Muslims and terrorists and torture and the geography of the Philippines are amusing misdirection… but, they too, are not the issues here.
The issue here is that, based on published accounts and court witnesses, many people believe Lea was a toxic skank with premeditated evil in her heart.
Obviously, some of you want to defend Lea. Fine.
Instead of calling everybody fags and morons or attempting to appeal to emotional concepts like "respect for the dead" or "her poor daughter", how about defending Lea's actions.
Explain why we are mistaken and explain why she was, in fact, a good girl.
Answer these questions:
Explain how smart and educated Lea managed to be a single mother at such a young age.
Explain exactly why Lea was husband-hunting for strangers on the Internet instead of by introductions through social connections of her rich and educated family?
Explain the good reasons why Lea repeatedly had sex with men who were not her husband.
Explain why Lea's American citizenship claim was not fraudulent.
Perhaps there is a good reason for each of these points that we have overlooked. With a clear and reasonable explanation, you can change everyone's feeling toward Lea and honor her legacy.
I believe I understand the situation very well, but if it turns out I am wrong about Lea, I will be the first to sincerely apologize.
2:14 pm on October 29th, 2010 111
RETIRED GI,
I never have insulted you in any way, but since you already did, it is indeed clear to me now that you are one HYPOCRITICAL man who pretends to understand the whole situation. And if you are that brave, according to what you have claimed to be, why is there a need to hide your full name?
2:24 pm on October 29th, 2010 112
And you really think you are one classy person, CHICKENHEAD? You do not even know what RESPECT is. You have been insulting my sister and my whole family, from the moment this case started. And you also did add up to a lot of pain and anxiety to our little girl, with the many nasty stuff you have said against her mom. My niece is 9 years of age, and she is intelligent enough to understand what you are talking about, but unlike you, you aren't, you are just a FOOL who starts of in many directions. So do NOT question the many insults I have thrown at you, because I am only doing the same exact thing for you, but rather blame yourself for being such an insensitive human being.
2:28 pm on October 29th, 2010 113
CHICKENHEAD,
What proof do you have that you are so sure my sister slept with a bunch of guys? Where did you get that information? Hearsay? You do not even know Lea.
2:33 pm on October 29th, 2010 114
And RETIRED GI, I am not a Muslim, my religion has always been a Roman Catholic. But, I do have a good amount of respect to the Muslim people. They have way better principles than you!
2:47 pm on October 29th, 2010 115
CHICKENHEAD AND RETIRED GI,
You have already insulted many Filipinos and the many Muslim people around the world. I really do not know why there is a need to do that. Celeste was only defending her sister and her whole family. Because if I were in her place, I would have done the exact same thing she did.
3:55 pm on October 29th, 2010 116
Insulted Muslims and Filipinos? Two groups which have no shame?? That's almost FUNNY!
8:03 pm on October 29th, 2010 117
Shame on YOU, VINCE! It is obvious you are just into a highly colored statement. The fact that you do not know anything about the Philippines and the Filipino culture in general,and still, you keep on saying a lot o nasty stuff towards us. Now, that is more FUNNY!
8:13 pm on October 29th, 2010 118
And CHICKENHEAD, before you point a finger at my sister, make sure you have a DIRECT evidence and as well as a CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence, rather than depend on HEARSAY. In law, a hearsay evidence is always inadmissible as a testimony.
The main reason, why Christopher Gray was sent to jail, was because of the circumstantial evidence which cannot be denied and was also sufficient enough to attach GUILT to him.
11:36 pm on October 29th, 2010 119
I'm of Filipino ancestry myself- and when I travel to the PI, I am amazed the way you people have destroyed areas the Canos built and how you exploit and cheat each other.
In which dialect do you want to carry on this discussion?
11:44 pm on October 29th, 2010 120
Celeste and Michael, Nice to see you two go a ride to the internet cafe in Mindanao. Catch a ride with your muslim friends that you respect so much? Did you tell them to torture more Americans as in #106 comment?
I have ZERO respect for both of you. If Lea was anything like you two, I can understand what her husband did. Sounds like a justified killing to me. Celeste, there is no way you're Catholic. You talk much more like a muslim. Why don't you both move up in the world and become suicide bombers. At least that way you could be usefull to someone. I'm sure your muslim friends that you have so much respect for could help you out
With lea's sister as an example of what lea was, I'm sure most people might agree that he did a good thing when he killed her. Not a legal thing. But a good thing. Thanks for removing any doubt as to why he would do such a thing. I can now say that I understand.
12:07 am on October 30th, 2010 121
#119 Vince, I mean no disrespect to you, let be clear (as the american president would say) on that. But I was in PI in 1991 when Clark was covered in ash. After I left and went back to Korea, S&S had articles about what was done to Clark after the americans left. What COULD have been a funtioning airport with a bit of cleaning, was instead ROBBED and stripped of anything usefull. It was sad to watch read the reports. How could a country be so stupid. At the end of 2010 they still struggle to make it operational. Worked fine before.
I remember the Catholics were so happy that America was leaving, no more prostitution. yea, right. Now they have beggers in the streets outside clark. Don't let the cute kids (beggers) get close to you either. They learn young to be pickpockets.
Don't talk to the girls outside the bars. They are situps used by the Angeles city police.
When I was still active duty, I would sometimes think of retiring there. Don't see it happening. Too damn corrupt.
12:57 am on October 30th, 2010 122
Celeste,
I have no bad feelings toward you… and, I honestly can understand your pain and anger at losing your sister.
You have seen the loss of a sister and I have seen many good-but-misguided men loose their savings, careers and families in similar situations… simply because they were naively trusting of sweet talk and empty promises from women who were only human on the outside.
While you support your family, please understand I can do nothing but condemn the evil liars, cheaters and manipulators who do these things for their own gain and satisfaction… and I can only be critical of their supporters.
At this time, it seems almost certain that Lea was dishonest in her actions and motivation… and that led to a chain of events that affected everyone from her daughter to you.
Now, it is possible that I don't understand the full situation in this case so I asked a few direct questions that might be answered which would allow you to put Lea in a more positive light and stop much of the criticism against her.
Lea's reputation and legacy to her daughter is completely in your hands.
Rather than explaining why public perception is wrong, your response was a very half-hearted insinuation that maybe there was no proof she slept around on her husband.
You must understand that many here will take this as a sign that Lea's character is accurately portrayed in the most hateful posts here… or, perhaps, you don't really care to put any real effort into defending your sister.
I ask again… please clearly explain the truth about what Lea was thinking, what she did and why she did it.
Put in a few minutes of clear, unemotional writing for the sake of your sister and your niece.
1:58 am on October 30th, 2010 123
Celeste,
I'm sorry your sister was killed. I, too, would be angry if my murdered sister was insulted in a public forum despite the facts surrounding her death. Your desire to defend your sister's life and actions is expected but people are going to say bad things about her because of the extracurricular activities she chose to partake in. You can't stop people from saying nasty things and your angry responses only fuel the fire. It is not doing you or anyone else any good to rehash this posting. The longer you fight with people you don't even know the longer this posting will stay around and the easier it might make it for your niece when she gets older to find the info and the insults on the internet concerning her mother's death. The sooner you remove yourself from the stress of fighting strangers on the internet, the sooner you will be able to heal from the pain of your families situation.
2:05 am on October 30th, 2010 124
#106, Words escape me. I was completely wrong to advise a peace offering and comfort to you. You are scum and I can only hope there is a predator drone in your near future.
2:08 am on October 30th, 2010 125
And if you guys insult the Filipino people from the Mindanao area, who are Muslims, I’m pretty sure you will encounter another 9/11 attack!
Our SF has been "insulting" (by KILLING) Muslim extremists in the Mindanao area since right after 911. It just isn't plastered all over the news….
2:12 am on October 30th, 2010 126
How did Islam logically enter this equation?
2:58 am on October 30th, 2010 127
#126 Danger Mouse (I love that name) check comments #106 and #108.
Also for any that care: http://www.alertnet.org/db/crisisprofiles/PH_sep….
3:06 am on October 30th, 2010 128
Celeste is such a fine person that she admires these people. I'm sure the "little girl" will be proud of her Aunt Celeste as well.
http://www.adl.org/terror/tu/tu_0404_philippines….
Sounds like the violence in Mexico.
Michael clames to know them personally and HOPES they torture more americans.
Comments #106 and #108
6:42 am on October 30th, 2010 129
I get giggles when these two pop off about "insulting" whomever… Since when did calling things for what they obviously ARE = insulting? I guess only when the self proclaimed victims have no moral or logical argument.
Gray murdered this woman- no argument there. He's in prison. I can't and won't excuse what he did; I do understand why he did it- that's call a "motive". Carrying it out is still wrong- at least in the legal system as it is.
Tell me there, cousins, just what do you think should have happened to Lea once she had been caught? It's a fair question in retrospect.
I, too, remember what Clark used to be, and what it is now, and how it got that way. It's shameful, but a real look at what the PI is all about. It's a lot like going to former colonies in Africa. Same path, same destination.
5:51 pm on October 31st, 2010 130
RETIRED GI
You sure sound like a lame ass bitch to me. You are just a babbler who lacks a lot of credibility. You have a very sharp tongue, and you sure kindled a temper-fire.
No wonder, you retired early, because all you do is TALK.
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah!!!!!
6:28 pm on October 31st, 2010 131
CHICKENHEAD,
I do understand you are one chicken-hearted fellow to date. But as Lea's older sister, I have always been taught by my parents to take care of my younger siblings. It would have been way easier for me and my family to move on, if you and other people out there, never have said some nasty stuff towards her. It only brought more pain to us, most especially to the little girl.
Perhaps, you didn't know how my niece struggled to move on. I got a chance to talk to her daily, when she was still in Korea, and all she did was cry. She had to be with a foster family she barely knew. But, I was thankful enough, they took good care of her. When she came back to us, she was no longer the same bubbly, little girl we used to know. She didn't even want to go back to school again. And we had to bring her to child psychologist, because she was having a hard time accepting, with what just happened to her mom. All our little girl wanted was to have a mom and dad she can rely on, for the rest of her life. I'm not sure if anyone of you understood what my niece went through.
6:48 pm on October 31st, 2010 132
RETIRED GI
I would suggest you go back to school. You DO NOT even know how to spell a very simple word. CLAMES? What the hell are you talking are you talking about? Is that how it should be spelled? Now, it's obvious, YOU are the IGNORANT and DUMB person here, just like VINCE.
6:59 pm on October 31st, 2010 133
VINCE,
If you are very sure with what you're talking about (number 119), why don't you try to speak my native tongue. Go right ahead and talk to me in BISAYA!
10:33 pm on October 31st, 2010 134
No- let's keep it going in English so you can continue to show everyone how venomous you are. Typical of the Filipinas I have known all my life. Passionate to a fault, vengeful as hell when they were angry. Not a whole lot of self control. Seems to be a common cultural trait.
How am I ignorant and dumb? Do tell. All I did was highlight the already quite obvious issues from down there.
No one is glad your sister was killed and her daughter lost her family. No one. As for Gray- he's locked up, he deserves it. Maybe a lot more. But you're not doing your sister any justice- you are the one keeping the fires burning. As for your friend wishing death on us- yeah, pal– GREAT way to make your point.
Keep the hits coming. When "you people" show up on a blog, it just gets entertaining.
12:00 am on November 1st, 2010 135
celeste, you ignorant piece of Jetsam
, I now know you, the sister of Lea. You are a Haint. Which means Lea was the same. Which means that I understand why he killed a Haint.
The more you write, the more clearly I understand why Lea was killed.
Now run back to your muslim friends, that you respect so much. You and Michael can sit around their campfire and plot the killing of Americans.
Keep posting PLEASE. I'm sure Christopher Gray will get an early release when this is seen.
Tell us how you really feel. Don't hold back! You are Lea's sister. You represent her here. Your doing such a fine job of showing us what you two Haints are all about. Not to mention your friend Michael, who wants to torture Americans.
Tell us MORE. Show us the true nature of Lea and yourself. Haints that you are.
Vince is right, when "you people" show up, it is cheap entertainment.
1:32 am on November 1st, 2010 136
celeste,
I'm sorry about your niece. That's too bad.
But that isn't the point.
Defend Lea's actions or accept our jugement and move on.
6:29 pm on November 2nd, 2010 137
VINCE
WHY DON'T YOU JUST STOP PRETENDING THAT YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT US, OR OUR NATIVE TONGUE. WE HAVE OVER A HUNDRED DIALECTS HERE, AND I'M SURE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO SPEAK ANY OF THOSE.
IT MAYBE ENTERTAINING FOR YOU, BECAUSE YOU SOUND LIKE AN IDIOT WHO CLAIMS TO KNOW A LOT, BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T!
PARA KA LANG ASO NA ULOL, DONG, KAHOL LANG NG KAHOL. ANG SARAP MO GAWING PULUTAN, PARA MANAHIMIK KA! AND THAT INCLUDES RETIRED GI.
6:38 pm on November 2nd, 2010 138
You all need to stop insulting Filipinos, you lame people, who do not know anything about us. It sounds like you are very uneducated to judge someone you barely know and never did anything wrong towards you.
I understand where Celeste is coming from, because she lost a loved one, who is very close to her. And she and her family are still in great pain because they are surrounded with inconsiderate and disrespectful people.
I believe she did nothing, but defend her whole family from all the bad things you were saying against Lea and her family.
So, don't take it personally against her or her sister, because they never did something wrong towards anyone of you.
6:45 pm on November 2nd, 2010 139
Really RETIRED GI, you know me personally? Please, spare me the shame! Maybe you are just hallucinating, that you believe you know everyone. Now, that's what I call great entertainment, from a guy who does not even know how to spell a very simple English word. I'm sure a lot of GI's out there, are freakin' proud of you. Good job!
7:27 pm on November 2nd, 2010 140
May Flower,
That is actually a very nice response, but Michael and Celest have taken insults to a whole new level with wishes for American Deaths by Muslim PI based terrorists.
I urged Celest to take care of her niece and move on from this board some time ago but she persists engaging in nasty attacks on some of the bloggers and all Americans. She might have found some friends here but she pretty well blew that chance.
8:03 pm on November 2nd, 2010 141
Gee whiz, Celeste. What do we need to know? Please tell us… We're all ignorant. Please bless us with your knowledge and wisdom.
You've shown us all we need to know.
I learned all I needed to know from the WestPac widows hanging out in the club when their husbands were at sea. You can take the girl out of the bar…
I only speak some Tagalog. I was born in the USA and my parents had no desire to teach me a language which would not serve me well in America.
11:59 pm on November 2nd, 2010 142
"PARA KA LANG ASO NA ULOL, DONG, KAHOL LANG NG KAHOL. ANG SARAP MO GAWING PULUTAN, PARA MANAHIMIK KA!"
Ha! She got you, Vince and Retired GI…
Your donkey needs a new sparkplug and your mama has a bald monkey-pusssy.
No. It doesn't say that… although that would be funnier if it did.
It says something about you being a yelping dog that needs to shut up. There is one more point being expressed but I don't understand it. The fault is likely mine.
It really has the feeling of low-level speaking… like someone from humble roots who is desperately clawing their way into lower middle class while putting on airs of being richer, classier, more educated and better connected than they really are.
Feel free to make fun of my spelling.
Ang hindî marunoong lumingon sa pinnangalingan ay hindí makararatíng sa paroronan.
Kadtong dilli mollingi sa iyang giggikanan, dili makabot sa iyang gipadullongan.
12:52 am on November 3rd, 2010 143
#139 Celeste, yes I know you. There are two types of Filipinas.
Good ones and bad one.
Sadly for Christopher he married a bad one. I know this because you are her sister. You are a Haint. It follows that your sister was also. In the beginning I thought she was only a cheating whore. Thanks to you, I now know you both are haints.
You are a low person with no hope. Your words speak for you. Don't need to see you to know you. Your hate flows freely. There is no love in you, only a desire for respect that you have not earned. Then you threaten those better than you with a wish for torture by Muslims. State that you admire those that you wish to torture Americans.
You are dust. With no meaning or form. You flow from under the feet of those who have a purpose in life. You cling to whatever does not move fast enough to avoid you. You dirty an otherwise clean surface.
But I do find you entertaining. Kind of like drawing pictures on a dusty surface, while you wait for something more meaningful to do. Yawn.
4:59 pm on November 4th, 2010 144
Did Celeste insult the Americans in any way? I believe not. She only expressed her anger towards those people who insulted her sister ad her whole family. But I do not know as to why CHICKENHEAD, RETIRED GI and VINCE are taking it way below the belt. If I am not mistaken, it was these three people who have been saying a lot of bad things towards the Filipinos and the Muslims. So why take it against the sister who is only standing up for her whole family?
5:07 pm on November 4th, 2010 145
MAY FLOWER,
There is no need to question those three idiots, because they are all judgmental fools. Yet if one Filipino, like myself, is pissed off with their unethical ways, they take it against everyone, just because of your race or religion. But, these Americans started it all. This article was out last year, but we never heard from the family's point of view with the many insensitive stuff they have mentioned. And the sister just posted a few comments expressing her anger & remorse, they are taking it personally against her. I don't think if that's the right thing to do, knowing she already lost a sister from a cold blooded murder.
5:38 pm on November 4th, 2010 146
Americans are bad. That's why no one from the PI clamors to get to the USA.
5:39 pm on November 4th, 2010 147
Michael, I hope you hear a predator drone very soon. YOU hoped Americans would die at the hands of your Muslim brothers. I said nothing offensive toward you or Celest.
Here are your words:
#93 You crazy, racist Americans!
#94 YOU DUMB ASS RACISTS!
#106 And if you guys insult the Filipino people from the Mindanao area, who are Muslims, I’m pretty sure you will encounter another 9/11 attack!
#108 And then the Muslim people will start to torture more American soldiers again.
These are your words Mike, and yours alone. I am both an American and Veteran. Go claim to be a saint somewhere else.
5:44 pm on November 4th, 2010 148
VERY IMPRESSIVE, chickenhead. But, still, you barely understand our dialect. It wouldn't hurt to get a tutorial session from time to time.
How would you like it if someone takes control of your life? I'm pretty sure, you wouldn't be happy about that! Chris was trying to control the life of my sister. He did not even want her to listen to hip hop music. I don't think if there's anything wrong with that. She also told me, she no longer had the ability to understand him and they have also been consistently fighting on a daily basis. And that is why she wanted to file for a DIVORCE, because it their relationship was no longer healthy for the both of them and the little girl. But, mind you, Lea never told us, she encountered a physical abuse and verbal abuse from her husband, but it was the little girl who told us about that. I know Lea did not bother to tell us about it, since she did not want us to worry and at the same time she was also trying to protect her little girl.
And I intentionally had to say that out loud in Filipino language to both RETIRED GI and VINCE, because I was only trying to answer TWO FOOLS according to their own FOLLIES.
5:52 pm on November 4th, 2010 149
MAY FLOWER,
Please re-read my posts.
I think you will find that I said nothing bad towards Filipinos and I never discussed Muslims.
I have been critical of Lea's behavior.
I have also been critical of those who ignore or support her behavior and blame everyone else… as, they are presumably of like mind… and likely to be equally big scumbags.
I have offered several opportunities for those who knew her to explain her actions and motivations… as I am fully aware that sometimes people do bad things for understandable reasons.
Instead of an honest and reasonable answer, I have been called names.
Obviously, that strategy isn't going to build any support for Lea or her family.
It simply reinforces the idea that Lea, her family and her friends are all a bunch of loud-but-worthless peasants…
…angry that their little scam fell through and their biggest overseas income source went away.
If the attitude was…
"I can't support my sister's actions but I am obligated by culture and upbringing to support my sister. While I condemn her dishonest behavior, which does not represent the values of the rest of my family, and I feel sorry for the people she scammed in various ways, I respectfully request that everyone give our family some time to heal after this painful event."
…well, chances are, everyone would think much more highly of everyone involved and Lea would quickly be forgotten.
Instead, we get "GO TO HELL, you FAGs!"
Nice.
I'm starting to think they should let Chris out of jail, give him a pound of diphenhydramine and a ticket to the Philippines… and let him finish the job right.
5:55 pm on November 4th, 2010 150
RETIRED GI and VINCE,
It is very clear to me and to everyone else that both of you are GOSSIP FAGS. Way to go!
6:02 pm on November 4th, 2010 151
HAMILTON,
I never did insult the Americans in any way. I only insulted those people who have been INSULTING LEA and our whole family.
I don't think there is anything wrong if I happen to respect other religion or culture, other than my own.
6:17 pm on November 4th, 2010 152
Celest I was talking about Michael and was very clear about it.
I will repeat what I said in my response #94:
Celeste, don’t focus on this board it will not help anything, move on with your life. My best wishes for you and your sister’s daughter.
6:21 pm on November 4th, 2010 153
Thanks HAMILTON! Truly appreciate it…
6:29 pm on November 4th, 2010 154
Celeste, Lea deserved to die. You understand why too, you just won't admit to it. Your voice is muted by your bias toward the whore who died and we all understand that. You can bash whoever you want, but the first thing people think about is your bias. Anyway, I can't think of a more heinous act than what she did to Christopher. I guess when you think in a primordial sense can you understand the dynamics involved in killing someone who is suppose to be so close to you. And add to that chopping the body up into smaller pieces. The horror and torment Christopher must have felt had to have been overwhelmed by the hatred he had for the woman. Think about your willingness to kill another human being; what is preventing you from doing so? Now think about how much hatred you need to overwhelm your inhibition. It's only then you can begin to understand. That's what the jury understood and that's why he was sentenced to life with parole.
6:45 pm on November 4th, 2010 155
Gray, 38, was also sentenced to dismissal from the military, a reprimand, and forfeiture of all pay and allowances.
Ow! That's going to leave a mark. That reprimand is going to follow him around forever.
12:03 pm on November 5th, 2010 156
#146, Vince: Americans are bad. That’s why no one from the PI clamors to get to the USA.
LOL, that has to be the dumbest most uninformed statement yet. Do you have any idea of the number of applications for Pinoys to get to the USA?
The Philippines is one of the top 5 countries for immigration to the US for the last 14 years, with the number of legal immigrants approaching 70,000 per year. http://www.migrationinformation.org/USfocus/displ…
About 50,000 Filipinos naturalized each year. http://www.dhs.gov/files/statistics/publications/…
Don't you just hate it when facts get in the way of debating points?
12:07 pm on November 5th, 2010 157
BTW Vince, If I missed the sarcasm, I apologize. If it was a real statement though:
1:18 pm on November 5th, 2010 158
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGwtG8nVpUU&fe…
Marcus- Here ya go….
1:43 pm on November 5th, 2010 159
#150 Celeste, It is very clear to me and everyone that has heard about your Sister, that she was a hatefull whore. The fact that you defend her actions, does not say anything good about you.
Rather than admit that your sister acted in a terrible manner, you defend her action. Then your buddies jump in wishing death and pain on my people. Did you really believe that was the way to change our minds about your sister?
The only thing you did was let everyone here know that the Philippine people are not the type of people that should be shown any respect. Was that what you wanted?
If my sister was a whore and acted in a terrible manner, I would not defend her. I would love her AS my sister, BUT I would never defend her. That action would be doomed to failure. Just as your actions were doomed.
Instead of showing that your sister did not represent your family and the Philippine people as a whole, you defend her and lead those that do not know the Philippine people, to believe that all of your people must be the same.
Now I do not think that you will be able or willing to understand what I said, but I thought it worth a try.
Feel free to curse me, call me names in a toung that I do not know and have no need/desire to learn. If that is all that you know.
But when people wish harm to my people and country, I do not take it nicely. When they do it on a blog, it just makes them look weak and pathetic.
You can agree that your sister acted as she did and that it was shamefull or you can rant and curse in tagalog or any other toung that I have no need or desire to learn.
The first action will show you are all not like your sister.
The second action will show that you are all just like your sister.
Either way, my life will not change, but my thoughts of your people might.
2:11 pm on November 5th, 2010 160
Lemmy, I know you are not a law abiding citizen, just like your son. Christopher Gray murdered my sister and at the same time brought along the little girl with him as he dumped the lifeless body of my sister. I saw the video footage of that. If he were a SANE person and a noble one, he would never have done that.
Lea wanted to file for a DIVORCE, but your son did not agree to that. Instead he kept calling me, asking for advice, that he wants to get back with my sister. He was also the one who informed me, he was currently on RESTRAINING ORDER, since my sister filed a complaint against him.
It's pretty funny for a parent to believe his son has the capabilities to murder someone, knowing up until this very day, Chris denied all the allegations. That's why he plead NOT GUILTY, during the Court Martial Trial. Yet, you once told me before, that Chris would never have done that to my sister, because he loved his wife and the little girl. But when Chris was sentenced to LIFE IMPRISONMENT, it was so easy for you to point a finger at my sister, that she was a whore.
You must learn to know the law and must learn to respect it as well. IGNORANCE of the LAW, excuses no one! Your basis against Lea was only through HEARSAY. Try to review my post(number 118).
2:24 pm on November 5th, 2010 161
RETIRED GI,
It is also obvious to me that you very uneducated. I'm pretty sure you never had a College degree. Why can't you spell the words right? Are you sure you're an American? You are indeed BIG DISGRACE to your country and to your fellow men.
3:15 pm on November 5th, 2010 162
Yap! Yap Yap Yap! Yappity Yappity Yap Yap!
3:57 pm on November 5th, 2010 163
#162 Vincent Vega – "Yap! Yap Yap Yap! Yappity Yappity Yap Yap!"
Well said! This thread is scary.
7:20 pm on November 5th, 2010 164
Celeste, glad you responded. Here is the law – your sister acted in a way that angered another person. Not unlike a legal system where two parties dispute their grievances, your sister violated the trust and graciousness of Christopher and simply took advantage of his generosity. He offered a way out of destitute for the whore, but more importantly for her bastard child. That's equivalent to someone in the USA winning the lottery. These are facts and were unchallenged and undisputed in a court of law.
Chris admitted to killing Lea before he was read his rights, but the charge sheet doesn't ask if you committed a crime – it states. Christopher pled not guilty so the case would go to trial and a jury of his peers could hear his side of the story. That's what a trial is – the state tells their side and the defendant tells theirs. There is no doubt Christopher killed Lea. The jury unanimously found he did kill her, cut her into pieces, and watched the videos of him carrying her out in a suitcase. In a normal trial, he likely would have received a death sentence – undisputed. But, in this case, the testimony of people who knew Lea weighed a lot.
Your sister shouldn't have died, she should have returned to the PI with her daughter, but she continued to torment Chris and wanted to take him to the cleaners in the divorce – which fit her personality and lifestyle.
Why couldn't you parents have properly raised Lea? Why did they create a whore, drug user, and thief? Why didn't you or others in your family provide the love and friendship your parents didn't?
Maybe if someone would have given Lea a spanking early in her childhood when she disregarded someone’s feelings, Chris wouldn't have had to. If Lea’s daughter realizes she can’t just do whatever she wants without consequences, Lea’s death is not in vein. Maybe you could explain things to her. But in the mean time, spread that message to your family and friends back in the PI. After all this sort of thing happens all the time back there.
YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES – THAT IS A LESSON MY FATHER TAUGHT ME. You just have to agree to accept the consequences of your actions. Chris accepted them, but Lea wasn't prepared to accept hers. In basic terms: "she bit off more than she could chew."
P.S. – Again, you’re wrong in assuming I’m Chris’ father. I am simply a reasonable person with a clear understanding of right from wrong. Maybe that’s what separates us.
11:22 pm on November 5th, 2010 165
161, so there it is. I gave you a chance to prove me wrong. You instead, proved me right about you and your people. Your tongue is as sharp as your mind is dull.
Give you the chance to insult with your mouth or think with your brain, and we see the result.
I'm sure your whore sister was no better than you are. Unthinking whores from a tiny island, belonging to a tiny third world country, that exports its women for sex to get money.
No wonder Lea was disposed of like trash.
I held out my hand, and like the stupid dog you are, you bite. I tried. You didn't.
Oh, and thanks for proving me right!
3:50 pm on November 6th, 2010 166
I hope he gets that letter of reprimand on his restricted microfiche!
7:49 pm on November 6th, 2010 167
This has all followed the expected course from tragedy to comedy… and now to farce.
Lea's supporters were unable to counter any accusations against Lea and were unwilling to address any questions about her.
Name calling and needless hate speech were all they could respond with.
…and, with the latest smackdown, running the spectrum from logic and reason to Extreme Truth, I can't imagine there is much more for them to say…
…unless it is more hateful name-calling… which will evoke yet another round of making fun of them like when the fat kid insists that he is just big-boned.
Eventually, they will vanish like the idiots before them trying to defend an indefensible position… be they whale terrorists or politically-correct-yet-lite officer/nurse/ninja/sniper/EO queen, Capt. Amy McIlvenna.
Last chance, I guess. Defend Lea or be quiet.
Chances are, we will get a lot of hateful rambling or we will get nothing…
…as there seems to be no defense of her actions.
10:59 pm on November 6th, 2010 168
We have been down this road before—a few times. Sniper? I missed the Sniper.
11:24 pm on November 6th, 2010 169
C'mon, Retired GI… how could you forget cunntspeak like this?
"I could probably kick most of your ignorant asses as I train with a blackbelt. I could probably outshoot most of you because I train with my husband who is a military sniper, State Trooper and former Tomb Guard. Look him up Gavin McIlvenna."
11:32 pm on November 6th, 2010 170
That was a classic! A really oldie but a goodie!
i wonder if she's parlayed all her skills and her feminine wiles into a promotion to major yet.
11:41 pm on November 6th, 2010 171
ChickenHead, O yea! She was a civilian Nurse, bitching about being looked at in the Mess Hall. Yea, that was alot of fun!
She is the same type that in 1991 at clark air base was bitching about not being able to get a Male to look at her.
There was a letter that was sent in to S&S by this female that was bitching because she had no social life at Clark. Interesting letters to the editor. Saved them somewhere.
The give and take went on for awhile. Sounded like the ROKDROP.
12:30 pm on November 7th, 2010 172
Here's where all of you Americans go wrong: You are assuming that the Filipino's share the same values, and therefore can recognize the fact that something like cheating is wrong and hurtful.
In the PI, divorce takes 2 years and costs $2,000; because it's not a divorce it's an annulment. And, there is no abortion. These are the great Catholic values. And since the people are all good Catholics, they don't do things like divorce and abortion.
Since they don't get divorced, they just leave their wife or husband and go shack up with their lover; thereby producing lots of bastard little kids because of no abortion or birth control. So in their country, it's ok to get tired of your spouse and go find your fun elsewhere. Not all Filipinos do this of course, only 99.9999% of them.
What Christopher Gray did was WRONG. However, his wife may not have been smart enough, or had the cultural background, to realize that being a slutty whore MIGHT just cause someone to go crazy.
1:53 pm on November 10th, 2010 173
You all should not judge the Filipinos, according to what you have read. People who are intelligent enough, should know better. I know the law very well, since I happen to work as a lawyer. Celeste was a classmate of mine from high school. We both came from one of the most prestigious exclusive school for girls. She only spoke the truth. I believe all of you who have insulted Celeste and her family and it gave me the impression that you don't know how to value respect. Because if you guys do, you never should have said a lot of hurtful words. You are taking it personally against her, knowing she did not do anything wrong. You guys are not far better than anyone else, just because you are Americans. For the many years I have been working as a lawyer, it never did happen that I have defended a criminal, like Christopher Gray. You know why? It's because I always know how to weigh things. I manage to have sympathy towards the victim and the family. Criminals are cowards because they do not know how to face the consequences and the TRUTH. And all of you, as well, who are judgmental and foolish enough to insult someone you barely know. Maybe it's the American culture. But, definitely as a Filipino, RESPECT for me, is a two way process and not one way. If you don't have self respect, expect that you'll never earn it.
1:58 pm on November 10th, 2010 174
No worries, RETIRED GI. I know what you are. Just a piece of COWARD, who does nothing but brag about the many things you barely know.
2:01 pm on November 10th, 2010 175
Really, Lemmy? You understand the difference between right and wrong? I don't think so! You weren't even in Korea to witness it.
And don't deny the fact that you are the father of the CRIMINAL or better yet a relative. You are just a babbler.
2:35 pm on November 10th, 2010 176
Who said anything bad about Lea? A few facts, maybe. Ouch. Yeah- they weren't really NICE things, but no one here attacked her personality. Maybe she was a great gal to hang out with, a friend you could talk to, and so on. I think ALL of us here have agreed that Gray is where he should be. But some also pointed out that he got off with a lighter sentence than he might have gotten because of the facts of the case- things people did which put in such a state of anger to do such indisputably terrible things.
Lea's sister and friend attacked most of us here for making observations. Forgive us if we're not personally connected to the case- you can't help but be as you are family. But being family does not change the facts of this case. It also doesn't change the fact that there are heartbroken people affected by all of this.
Call Gray what you will, call Lea what you will, and call any of us what you will. What happened, happened. People do things, wrong things, for any number of reasons. But I do think that had people had some mutual respect for one another most of the fatally tragic portions of this story would have never occurred. That is the position I maintained throughout this discussion.
In modern "civilised" society, many people go about treating other people in a horrible fashion, because in today's "civilised" culture, it is totally unacceptable to bash in an offender's skull with a big rock. Perhaps in many ways, the cave man was a more civilised man; he knew that if he transgressed another, that other might do just that. And some people, today, in our modern age, get pushed to that corner of their own cave man brain and respond in such a way. Inappropriate response? In this day and age, yes. Predictable? I think so… Every man has a cup to fill, and some are of different sizes and volumes.
Just because a person can do something doesn't mean he or she should- a dictum as apt as The Golden Rule.
4:47 pm on November 10th, 2010 177
174, Mayflower and 175, Celese have forgotten more than you will likely ever know.
As for the type of person you are, that is clear for all to see.
Your abilities and knowledge are limited to simple minded, teenage-girl name calling.
174 Mayflower, Celese has insulted herself, and her family with her actions here.
As did her sister.
I do agree that respect is a two way street. Read #69 and 70. She opened up with insults.
She now offers nothing but insults. The reason is clear.
She can not defend her sister with the facts.
All that is left is mindless name calling.
I can only assume she is quite bored with her life and has nothing to do.
She takes the local transport to the internet cafe. Sends off an insult or two here.
6:22 pm on November 10th, 2010 178
The only fact here RETIRED GI is this: We charge a man with a CRIME and we charge a CRIME against a man. That's how the law works. And you yourself have been very judgmental and offensive towards Celeste and her whole family and to every single Filipinos as well. Let us be sure of our FACTS and sober in our judgment, before we say offensive words to anyone we do not know. You seem to find fault against Celeste, when you yourself should blame yourself for what you have said against her.
6:26 pm on November 10th, 2010 179
Vince, it seems like you only chime in with the opinion of anyone near you. It is very clear to me, that you don't have a mind of your own.
6:37 pm on November 10th, 2010 180
Celeste, You're comments reassure me in that they are correct. However, I assure you I have never met Chris, but I consider myself quite perceptive. Thank You.
I am sure you could understand my point when viewed from a different perspective. Had the male in this relationship done what the female did and the female killed the man. The female would be characterized as a victim and her actions considered "justifiable homicide". It happens all the time in every corner of the world.
I hope this incident will remind others their actions have consequences and those consequences are not always handed out by the state.
This is simple "Cause and Effect." Had Lea not committed the egreous acts she did, Chris wouldn't have killed her.
I will not judge Chris' actions as wrong. Homicide is not always wrong or illegal, (The state kills lots of people during wars, they sentence people to death for harming others or damaging the state itself as in espionage)
Chris' psychological evaluation done prior to trial indicated no signs of mental abnormalities. Chris was a normal man according to the psychological report.
Until you understand and realize Lea's actions caused her death, you will never be at peace. I fully understand why Chris killed her and I support his decision to do so.
At Chris' courts martial ALL OF the evidence was presented. That evidence did not support the "Lea was a good person" theory. Instead, the defense proved Lea was a horrible person, rotten mother, a drug addict, a whore and a worthless wife. I'm sure it hurts you to know Lea was in fact a terrible person in the eyes of others.
Don't hate Chris for TRYING to give Lea a life of comfort. You should hate Lea for pissing it all away for her daughter.
You picked the wrong side in this case albeit, you really didn’t have a chance.
6:44 pm on November 10th, 2010 181
It's real funny when these American people start insulting the victim and the family as well. And when the sister started to fight back, they take it against her. These people deserve the many insults and name calling Celeste has posted, because they started it. If they did not want to be insulted or offended in any way, they never should have said any nasty words against the victim.
7:06 pm on November 10th, 2010 182
Lemmy
I am indeed fascinated with how well you came up with a conclusion, which does not have any basis. But I am not fascinated enough, with how you think. You just mentioned you DO NOT KNOW Chris personally and I presume you also do not know Lea. It is now clear to me, you came up with a judgment according to your point of view or simply a PRESUMPTION. It means you believe something is true, but WITHOUT a PROOF or just ACTING without the RIGHT or KNOWLEDGE, etc., to do so. Well, I presume you are not as CLEVER as you think you are. People who are intelligent enough has always a good basis and you obviously don't.
7:23 pm on November 10th, 2010 183
"…At Chris’ courts martial ALL OF the evidence was presented. That evidence did not support the “Lea was a good person” theory. Instead, the defense proved Lea was a horrible person, rotten mother, a drug addict, a whore and a worthless wife…"
I guess you missed what I wrote
7:28 pm on November 10th, 2010 184
Honestly, almost any GI that get's involved with foreign brides is going to ruin his life. It's just a matter of how extreme.
7:28 pm on November 10th, 2010 185
Tony who was the victim? The trial proved Lea tortured Chris for years. Lea could have left at any time, but CHOSE not to. So what? she’s dead, who cares – she never benefited society.
8:04 pm on November 10th, 2010 186
179, You're correct. I do find fault with celeste. Now I find fault with you. You are not what you say. You are just another simple minded person that willfully ignores the truth in front of your eyes. You're hardly worth the time to write this. But feel free to respond. It will be cheap fun listening to you spew your selfrighteousness.
Lea was a drug using whore. Her sister has proven her simple mindedness. I will enjoy watching you do the same.
Thanks in advance, for the coming entertainment!
8:37 pm on November 10th, 2010 187
And so many AMericans have a liberated sense of thinking because they do not know the difference between right and wrong. That’s why every time they visit Philippines, they end up raping Filipinas and treat them as whores. No wonder these American bastards have a lot of cases here, because they all think they can outsmart anyone!
8:54 pm on November 10th, 2010 188
Filipino lawyers. THAT'S almost funny!
Getting lectures about law from them is even funnier!
What a funny place.
Didn't another doofus up there in the discussion talk some smack about Americans going down to the PI and treating the women like whores? Newsflash, Einstein. Those girls were already at work before the terrible yankee bastard dogs got off the aeroplane.
People will do a lot of undignified things to get by. The ones who have impressed me are the ones who did what they had to do but once they have left that terrible time and place, they put all that behind them and don't look back- or use it as an excuse to be low life scum.
1:36 am on November 11th, 2010 189
Lemmy, NO need to insult the parents and the little girl. You seem to have a decease called Softening of the Brain.
An intelligent person aims at wise action, but a fool starts off in many directions.
2:30 am on November 11th, 2010 190
I was going to stay away from this post, but…Celeste, you need to delete this website from your computer. Nothing you can say will change anyone's mind, and everytime you see a posting it knocks off the scab and keeps your wound an open sore. From what came out in the trial apparently your sister was not a paragon of virtue. But, first and foremost, she was your sister. Did Gray have the "right" to kill her? No. It would have been better to divorce her, take the hit in divorce court and move on. Look where he is now. He'll grow old, day after day, year after year – in confinement. I can't believe he's sitting in his cell right now thinking, "Yeah, I did the right thing. I'd do it again too, if it weren't for that damned letter of reprimand…" Two lives totally wasted. There's no way I would throw my life away just because of the actions of someone else. Where's his vindication? He has none. He went from a man whose title would have been "poor guy, his wife was running around him" to "murderer" all in a very short period of time. I believe there's a Korean saying that says something like: When a tiger dies he leaves his skin, when a man dies he leaves his name. I would guess that applies to men and women equally.
9:41 am on November 11th, 2010 191
#173 Michael: You said "That’s why every time they visit Philippines, they end up raping Filipinas and treat them as whores."
I'm not sure about the raping part, I'm am sure it probably happens.
As far as treating them like whores: Going into a bar and having a girl say "Barfine me for $20 and you can do everything you want to me" kind of starts the ball rolling on being treated like a whore…………..
After all, that is how I met Celeste. I don't know if it's the Celeste on this board, but it was A Celeste, and well worth the $20.
May Flower did say something useful: "But, definitely as a Filipino, RESPECT for me, is a two way process and not one way. If you don’t have self respect, expect that you’ll never earn it." It's clear that Leah didn't have any respect for herself, or her husband, which is why she made some wrong decisions. Again, she shouldn't have been killed for it and Chris will pay.
For the Filipinos: You want respect? Then close the bars, quit kissing the feet of the foreigners that are only using you; because you let them use you to get their $$. Why don't Filipinos clean up their government? Stop the bribes? It's because just about every Filipino in the same position would take money, or pay money, to get what they want.
12:40 pm on November 11th, 2010 192
#190, and #191- you both GET IT. Well put.
3:00 pm on November 11th, 2010 193
#191 – " As far as treating them like whores: Going into a bar and having a girl say “Barfine me for $20 and you can do everything you want to me” kind of starts the ball rolling on being treated like a whore………….."
Starts the ball rolling? The game is over! Being treated like a whore does not have to include beating the bag out of said female. It also doesn't mean the potential for a future relationship. Ladies, don't expect dinner and flowers, but you should also expect to not be physically abused.
This thread is bananas. The complete lack of humanity is staggering.
7:18 pm on November 11th, 2010 194
"…..The complete lack of humanity is staggering….." ARE YOU BLIND? OPEN YOUR EYES TO THE WORLD.
7:53 pm on November 11th, 2010 195
#194 Lemmy
My eyes are wide open and I believe I see things quite clear. I'm not criticizing any one particular point of view on this thread, but in general, the bitch fest and what is being said overall, especially by those close to the subjects at hand is a tad on the rough side. Just my opinion, as everyone who decides to weigh in on this topic has the right to voice.
194 posts and nothing constructive has come out of this discussion. I've read every post and find the discussion interesting and worth the read, but very sad in nature. Just my opinion.
4:29 am on November 12th, 2010 196
We are completely in the realm of farce… so I, too, will treat the conversation accordingly.
Q: What's the difference between Celeste and Chris Gray?
A: Chris dumped his baggage.
4:43 am on November 12th, 2010 197
Man killed 6,000,000 Jews; dropped two atomic bombs on civilian targets; allow entire populations to starve to death; enslaves races; nations war with each other. We set aside humanity all the time. Knowing the capabilities of man on such a massive scale, why in the world would anyone like Lea anger someone like Chris? You apparently need corrective lenses.
You said "nothing constructive has come out of this discussion" You are simply tuning out the premise of the discussion I have so clearly stated time and time again. You and nearly everyone on the face of the earth have been taught the lesson which is so easily discarded at the most convenient opportunity. It's called the golden rule and it's taught in two ways: One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself or One should not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated.
Lea didn't follow the golden rule which resulted in her termination. That's the lesson to learn.
4:45 am on November 12th, 2010 198
I burst into laughter ChickenHead. Then I thought, just how true that was.
But you should be very aware that celeste dislikes being disrespected, and she is backed up by VERY substantial people. Like a lawyer
, and some fool that is friends with muslims and feels he earns some respect 
, from this. 
2:22 am on November 14th, 2010 199
Q: How was Lea like a Songtan Juicy?
A: They both took a load in the rear before the American GI packed his bag and never saw her again.
8:19 am on November 14th, 2010 200
#199! Ouch! LOL
5:25 pm on November 16th, 2010 201
Yes, very funny VINCE, because you are a hypocrite person, just like LEMMY, MARCUS AMBROSE, RETIRED GI & CHICKENHEAD. DO NOT BE SO NAIVE AND SELF CONFIDENT, 'CAUSE all of YOU ARE NO EXEMPT. YOU GUYS CAN FALL FLAT ON UR FACE AS EASILY AS ANYONE ELSE! And mind you, it does require a lot of moral courage for all of you to tell someone of a fault to his/her face rather than speak behind his/her back. It is very clear to everyone you all do not have a moral courage. Simply, a libellous act from ignorant and incompetent people from America.
5:31 pm on November 16th, 2010 202
And that was indeed a BIASED JUDGEMENT that came from the American FAGS who do not know anything about the LAW. What a pity. They can't even spell a very simple English word. BOO HOO!
5:50 pm on November 16th, 2010 203
May Flower,
"YOU GUYS CAN FALL FLAT ON UR FACE AS EASILY AS ANYONE ELSE!"
Not true. If you treat people honestly, help good people when they need it, maintain self-sufficiency as much as possible, choose the people around you wisely and be unflinchingly loyal to them, don't go looking for trouble, don't do drugs, don't pilfer money, don't screw around on your spouse, etc., you can't "FALL FLAT ON UR FACE AS EASILY AS ANYONE ELSE!"
"And mind you, it does require a lot of moral courage for all of you to tell someone of a fault to his/her face rather than speak behind his/her back."
That it does… and we have been speaking openly of our opinions and the reasons for them. It takes even more moral courage to admit the truth, though.
"Simply, a libellous act from ignorant and incompetent people from America."
Usually, a lawyer, as you claim to be, can spell libelous. None-the-less, this really isn't a racial or national issue as you keep making it out to be to deflect attention away from the real discussion.
The real point here is about a person… a person who acted selfishly, dishonestly, immorally, and unethically… facts which nobody has attempted to deny.
Everybody here who has any military, civilian-around-the-military, or juicybar experience has seen the emotional and financial wreckage girls like Lea have left in their path… so there is rightfully little sympathy.
As a lawyer, how would you defend or rationalize Lea's actions?
8:24 am on November 17th, 2010 204
Ahhh, roast in the hate! Instead of debating points, it is down to name calling, a sure sign you have indeed lost the argument. Good job May Flower and Michael for pointing out our win, the truth usually does win in the end.
Chickenhead, You ask "As a lawyer, how would you defend or rationalize Lea’s actions?" Here are some ways they will justify her whorish behavior:
1) He didn't fill her needs. If a girl cheats, this is an acceptable excuse. If a guy cheats, he's just and a$$.
2) It's not her, it's the media. By reporting on her other activities, they have let the truth poison the well of rewritable history. Now they can't claim she was a good girl.
3) She was the one suffering through a terrible marriage. Thank God she had the courage to stick with her money train for the sake of her daughter. It would have been dumb to leave a meal ticket.
4) Given the above terrible marriage, Lea had the courage to 'put herself out there' and look for another meal ticket. Or, in this case, let other guys in there for a meal.
5) It turns out even Chris' paycheck couldn't support all 20 relatives, so she needed a second income, outgo, income, outgo, income, outgo, wipe.
6:11 pm on November 26th, 2010 205
Every word stated from 201 was spelled correctly. Maybe it would be best to get a dictionary. And mind you, the correct abbreviation for Philippines is PH and not PI. Have a self-check first!
6:17 pm on November 26th, 2010 206
Maybe before these people will try to keep on criticizing the Filipinos, who do not know the spelling of a few simple English words or do not know how to abbreviate, they should all go back to school. It is very obvious, these are bunch of uneducated people from America.
6:21 pm on November 26th, 2010 207
And this chickenhead is claiming to be the most perfect human being on this planet? Wow! you must be far better than our Creator.
7:05 pm on November 26th, 2010 208
#205 Chinita
You are mostly correct, but there are quite a few grammatical errors. Still damn good for a non-native speaker.
Line 1 – "Yes, very funny VINCE, because you are a hypocrite person"
It should read "hypocritical person".
Line 2 – "DO NOT BE SO NAIVE AND SELF CONFIDENT, ‘CAUSE all of YOU ARE NO EXEMPT"
It should read "NOT EXEMPT".
Lines 2+3 – "YOU GUYS CAN FALL FLAT ON UR FACE AS EASILY AS ANYONE ELSE!"
You should probably use "your" instead of "UR", as the latter is technically not a word. Also, if you use "Guys" (plural), then you should use "faces", also plural.
Lines 4+5 – "It is very clear to everyone you all do not have a moral courage."
It should read "have any moral courage"
Anyway, I'm just eating some dinner and thought I would check in on the drop. I have absolutely no wish to join this discussion and hope that everyone in the PH is doing well.
7:25 pm on November 26th, 2010 209
Chinita,
"Every word stated from 201 was spelled correctly."
You are correct and I am wrong.
It seems "libellous" is the preferred British spelling as opposed the the Americanized "libelous". I was unaware of this.
I don't expect non-Americans to use the American spelling.
May Flower, it is now clear to me that you made no mistake in your spelling and I apologize for incorrectly questioning your ability to spell.
Kurt,
"And this chickenhead is claiming to be the most perfect human being on this planet? "
Am I really claiming to be the most perfect human?
The actions I discussed are not superhuman feats of moral purity. They are simple guidelines whicht the majority of people use, in various degrees, to live their lives successfully.
Do you truly believe I am acting abnormally morally superior when I say it is incorrect to steal money or cheat on your spouse?
1:23 am on November 27th, 2010 210
ChickenHead, I can only assume that to these people, it is normal to steal money and cheat on their spouse. I wonder if this reflects on the Philippines as a Country.
Do they all steal money and cheat on their spouse? This is the Normal way things are done in the PH!
By the number that defend Lea, I would thing so. If not, how can they defend her? That is what she did.
1:37 am on November 27th, 2010 211
It's what they do and who they are.
Sad when you think how brave the Filipino guerrillas and the Philippine Division were against the Japanese.
This is how their progeny carry on… Shameful.
5:26 am on November 27th, 2010 212
Hmmm, ChickenHead the creator?
Our ChickenHead, who art in heaven…
12:39 pm on November 27th, 2010 213
#212 More plausible than any other proposed deity and penultimately more logical. The only problem is we'd have to torture him to death and/or eat his flesh.
Nah, perhaps we've outgrown fairy tales.
3:06 am on November 28th, 2010 214
Save me a drumstick.
6:40 pm on November 28th, 2010 215
Yup, pretty shameful, that you Americans do not know how to value a life of a human being. It is indeed a known fact that ABORTION is very much legal in your country. Instead of giving the innocent children to live a good life, you would rather get rid of them… So, we expect the worst from you, Americans!
6:46 pm on November 28th, 2010 216
ZILCHY,
Make sure you are an ENGLISH instructor who has a COLLEGE degree in EDUCATION, before you try to correct a few grammatical errors.
6:47 pm on November 28th, 2010 217
Line 2 – “DO NOT BE SO NAIVE AND SELF CONFIDENT, ‘CAUSE all of YOU ARE NO EXEMPT”
It should read “NOT EXEMPT”.
The Bible must have committed the wrong grammar.
9:01 pm on November 28th, 2010 218
Chinita,
"Have a self-check first"
After Jun's hurtful comments about Americans not knowing the value of life and not giving the innocent children a good life to live, I thought perhaps a self-check was necessary.
…not just a self-check for me, but a national self-check… being that the topic of Lea's actions keeps being shifted to problems with America and accusations of racism.
I realized that Jun is right and I understand why Jun expects the worst from Americans.
Americans just don't have enough love to share with 13 children. American parents provide an isolating room in a large house for each of their kids instead of building a closer family by keeping them all in one small hut. Distractions like hot showers and air conditioners do a lot to dilute the love Americans might feel for their kids. And, of course, providing quality education for their children is almost hateful.
I shouldn't forget to mention that this lack of American love of children is most obvious in the incest statistics which prove beyond any doubt that Filipinos love the children in their families much more than Americans do.
And I can't argue that the Philippines does a superior job of "giving the innocent children to live a good life"…
…well… if a good life means running barefoot through the trash-filled jungle amid crippling poverty perpetuated by limitless corruption while dodging bandits and sneaky uncles.
I feel much better after this self-check.
Nobody here defended Lea's actions… and it might be hard to defend a lot of aspects about the Philippines if you truly wish to steer the discussion in that direction.
9:14 pm on November 28th, 2010 219
JUN,
I am not an English teacher by trade and I do not hold any degrees in education. I believe my minor corrections are indeed correct. The quote you referenced was taken directly out of the bible
? No offence, but in some cases, that text was translated in a much older style of the English language. Most people who use the English language, circa 2010, have upgraded to a much different version.
May God bless you
!
9:44 pm on November 28th, 2010 220
#215 Jun,
Jun,
You are making sweeping statements based on your personal beliefs which are based on Christianity. There are quite a few Americans who are also Christian and do not believe in abortion. The U.S. is a diverse country with many different points of view. At this point in time, abortion is legal in some instances, and not in others.
My guess is you are female. Do you feel that you should have as much control over your body as possible? Do you want other individuals telling you what to do with your body? It is your body, right? People usually only get one!
If you were told you were going to die giving birth, and the doctors told you the only way to save your life would be to abort the fetus, what would you do?
If you were told the fetus in your womb was deformed to the point that if born, the chances of it living 1 year was 10% and even if it did live past that one year, it would NOT have a life even resembling a normal human life. Would you abort it?
There are many instances where the choices are not clear-cut!
Do your beliefs fall in line with the Sunni-based Muslims living in the southern part of your country? Do you agree with the terrorist activities that they are comitting? If I stated that the Philippine people were all bad because of the Muslim terrorist activities, would you feel that this statement is unfair?
12:25 am on November 29th, 2010 221
215 yep, pretty shamefull that Lea and those defending her horrorable whoring and stealing ways, do not know the value of living a proper life worth living. But instead defend the values that seem to rule the philippines. Like lying, stealing and being a whore.
Yep the Philippines is such a great country that it's females will do and say ANYTHING to get the hell OUT of there. Great Place.
A country where beggers line the street. Kids and old women. A country where you can not walk the street at night without taking a large risk of being gunned down by the guy on back of a bike.
A country where every smile hides an evil intent.
A country where abortion is VERY cheap and so easy to get.
A country where being a foreigner makes you a TARGET rather than a tourist.
A country where its main source of income is the women it sends out to work the bars of other countries.
A country who's police force can not catch the criminals because THEY ARE the criminals.
Just a really GREAT place to be born.
Does Lea represent what all Filipinas are? I would really like an answer to this.
I understand that I will not get an honest answer, but I had to ask.
7:22 pm on December 5th, 2010 222
The only thing that these nonsense people are very good at, is HARASSING WOMEN.
First: They have been insulting a dead woman. Second: They have been insulting the sister of the dead woman. Third: They have also been insulting the daughter of the dead woman.
There is NO NEED to keep on making nasty statements to people they do not personally know. It is pretty SHAMEFUL that they keep posting several comments here and are trying to imply to everyone, that they are more superior towards any other nationalities. Truly bunch of cowards and morons!
7:57 pm on December 5th, 2010 223
Oh BOY!!! Another VICTIM!
Embrace that victimhood. It's all you can do…
8:18 am on December 6th, 2010 224
Cherry,
Please, put some thought into your posts.
People here have also insulted:
Friends of the dead woman
Other relatives of the dead woman
Fellow citizens of the dead woman
Fellow sluts and whores of the dead woman
Defenders of the dead woman
Pets of the dead woman (not yet? Ok, her dog probably cheated too)
If you're going to make a list, get it right!
5:17 pm on December 17th, 2010 225
Majority of the comments posted were attacking the person and not the problem or the issue. You can't fix the problem if you are consumed w/ fixing the blame and you'll never get your point across by being cross. In resolving a conflict, how you say it is as important as what you say, so YOU better choose your words wisely. If you say it offensively, it'll be received DEFENSIVELY. The family of Lea got offended, so it is expected they will respond defensively in return. Therefore, never use harmful words but only helpful words, the kind that will build up and provide what is needed, so what you all say will do good, to those who hear YOU.
11:44 pm on December 17th, 2010 226
To be a successful woman of class,
you must not be a snake in the grass.
Or you'll be dumped like a load
at the side of the road
with a toxin pumped up your azz.
Speak nicely, some here appeal,
as the truth makes Lea's family squeal.
But birds of a feather
flock closely together.
So who gives a funk how they feel?
I have not been fully clear.
Lea's relative is very sincere.
So I really meant,
I support her family a hundred percent…
(puts on sunglasses)
…I hope her husband gets his freedom this year!
12:49 am on December 18th, 2010 227
I really like that one ChickenHead.
I hope the husband and killer of that cheating, lying whore gets freedom as quickly as possible. He made two mistakes. One was marrying her. The second was killing her. But I can understand both mistakes.