By This first sergeant sure appears to have gotten off light considering what she is convicted of doing:
A master sergeant was reprimanded and given a reduction in rank to E-7 last week after her conviction for having a prohibited relationship with a lower-ranking soldier in early 2008.
The now-Sgt. 1st Class Michelle Morales was convicted last week in a court-martial at Yongsan Garrison.
Morales and Sgt. Cuauhtemoc Gonzalez, both of the 19th Adjutant General Company, allegedly began their affair in late February 2008 and continued dating until May.
Morales, who is married, was acquitted on charges of adultery and misuse of government resources.
The pair met frequently at the apartment of a third soldier, Spc. Richard Huss, who sent Morales text messages with excuses for her to visit.
The texts said Morales needed to come comfort Huss’ wife, who had given birth to a stillborn baby.
Morales began visiting their apartment almost daily when she started dating Gonzalez.
“They essentially turned the Husses’ apartment into their own little love shack,” said prosecutor Capt. Luke Tillman. [Stars & Stripes]
Look at what this First Sergeant was doing in order to keep this affair going:
Several witnesses said Morales helped a private who knew of the romantic relationship get command sponsorship, even though he had been flagged for being overweight and failing his physical fitness test.
She also allegedly put a barracks on lockdown so she could go to an entertainment district in Seoul one night with Gonzalez and two other couples, according to court testimony.
So for someone in such an important leadership position who violated just about every Army ethical value imaginable she was only reduced one rank and given a reprimand? Last January an NCO got knocked down four ranks, given 60 days of hard labor, and a reprimand for committing adultery. You would think someone in such a high position of trust, who then used that trust to her own advantage would get a stiffer penalty against her.
4:57 pm on April 9th, 2009 1
It’s possible the jury or judge took a look at each of these soldier’s entire careers when deciding on punishment. If this was the first time this 1SG got into trouble, and she had 15 years of exemplary service leading up to this event, it possible they felt she was worth keeping in the military.
On the other hand, with the other soldier you mentioned, maybe he/she had been in trouble several times over the years, and the result was a culmination of several years of borderline service.
Hard to say…..
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April 10th, 2009 at 4:36 am
The way I look at it, considering the position of responsibility the first sergeant is in and how she flagrantly abused it, the Army should have no use for a senior NCO like this.
What respect should any soldier under this NCO’s authority in the future have? This conviction makes it very difficult for her to ever lead soldiers again in the future.
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May 24th, 2009 at 8:25 am
I agree, Not only could at that time she not help soldiers with problems. I personally was followed and constantly watched by other soldiers that Morales had given this order to, because of the fact i had a relationship with sgt gonzalez. I had no idea about them two even having a relationship, but still was punished by her with not even knowing why. I had found out later on she had someone spike my drink and then have me get taken to the mp station to see what my blood alcohol level was. Because i was under age and it blew a 0.01 she decided to have me be the first in the unit with maximum punishment. She started rumors throughout the company about me and as soon as I confronted her about this she wanted to play nice. She was a sorry name for an nco and had changed my prospective of the Army. It’s a sad thing.
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5:50 pm on April 9th, 2009 2
Stiffer penalties are reserved for males. Call it the glass floor rather than the glass ceiling.
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6:09 pm on April 9th, 2009 3
Good thing she wasn’t a filipina immigrant. There’d be calls for her execution.
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3:54 am on April 10th, 2009 4
Get a grip people!
Does anyone really want the government (the Army) telling you who you can have sex with?
Sex is the best witch hunt. Why, because we’re all victims.
What’s next, cold water drinkers?
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4:21 am on April 10th, 2009 5
Female, nuff said
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5:04 am on April 10th, 2009 6
Number 4.
For good order and discipline, yes the Army needs to tell folks not to engage in sexual activity with subordinates – this can cause serious moral problems.
(Just think – if one of your subordinates was having sexual relations with your supervisor, how could you supervise your subordinate?) Also, if a simple majority of US states have law against adultery then the Army should enforce that law also.
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8:14 am on April 10th, 2009 7
What’s worse here is that she was a first sgt. These are the people that the troops are taught who can help them if they have problems. To enguage in sexual activity with anybody under your command, just destroys morale. The UCMJ while not a perfect document, is quite clear adultery is not permitted.
The punishment she recieved was far too lite and I would figure that very quickly she will be PCS’d back stateside post haste.
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2:52 pm on April 10th, 2009 8
Military Justice is a joke. Period. Of course this First Sergeant gets slapped on the wrist when a junior soldier in a similar situation would be SLAMMED 100% of the time.
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5:19 pm on April 10th, 2009 9
BS! Lots of stuff can be said to cause morale problems. Including spineless politically correct leadership. But sex is not one of them. Favoritism can, but the sex is not responsible. It poor leadership that causes morale problems.
Easy, I’ve already done it. All it takes is to NOT be spineless and politically correct. The “she” was a truly stupid, physically homely, yet manipulating young Officer that was trying to sex her way to a promotion. The “he” was an O-6 that was having his Monica Lewinsky be for Clinton made it fashionable. She got the “satisfactory” eval from me that she deserved and then went to get ever dirtier knees.
What kind of thinking is this? It’s going to take be while to think on how to respond to this one.
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April 11th, 2009 at 1:03 am
Also, if a simple majority of US states have laws against adultry, then the Army should enforce that law also……
This is easy to respond to:
Adultery cost Lea Gray her life, it also got the wives of those SF guys at Ft. Bragg killed.
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5:25 am on April 11th, 2009 10
She got the “satisfactory” eval from me that she deserved and then went to get ever dirtier knees.
What you described does not seem to warrant a “satisfactory” evaluation. It sounds like her conduct was below standards.
Were you afraid of the O6?
If so, this may be a good example why not to allow sexual activity between supervisors and subordinates.
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9:37 am on April 11th, 2009 11
# 10
Trolls only get fed once.
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7:08 pm on April 11th, 2009 12
“she” was a truly stupid, physically homely” – so she looked like a troll, the 06 must have been pretty hard up.
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7:11 pm on April 11th, 2009 13
Hey, wait a minute – I may have seen this officer at the PX the other day – man did I feel sorry for her!
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11:23 pm on April 11th, 2009 14
Remember Kelly Flynn. She was allowed to resign with a general discharge.
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11:22 am on May 5th, 2009 15
Hmmm–
thiis iis crazy
I just had SGT Gonzalez’s son.
I had no idea about any of this.
We were in a relationship while i was in Korea from Nov 07 untill Feb of 08
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7:01 pm on May 5th, 2009 16
Wow, Selph.
Four months in Korea and you made a son? That’s fast work, sister.
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May 5th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
No crazy!
Well actually–
I was in korea for a year
But we met before Korea
When we were in Korea iis when I found out he was a complete ass–
And that was after iis when ii found out ii was prego
Bad siituatiion
But I love my son
And thiis iis just more of a reason why iim happy ii broke iit off
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May 8th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Whoa! Please don’t let this be my husband you are talking about! Please let me know where he’s from. I need proof. This is all so crazy
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May 8th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
i dnt know if its your husband or not.
but hes from texas or cali–
ii cnt remember whiich he was born in
and the other iis where he lives
he has a daughter i think like one now
my email is swaggriightchiic@gmail.com
i have lots of proof
emails pics– my son for example
looks just like hiim
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:04 pm
i was married to gonzalez, he’s from cali and now dead. killed himself this morning.
May 24th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Mrs. Gonzalez I am so sorry for the loss of your husband. I had Cuauhtemoc’s daughter in Feb. 09 I am so sorry for Ashley too. I didn’t know he was married. He only told me he was divorced. We were in early and mid year of 08, and talked until we weren’t able to because of this trial between Morales and him, we were put on a no contact order so the court wouldn’t be thinking we were trying to tell the same stories in court. I had no idea of him and Morales either. I was in this trial this whole past year. I just found out right now that he re-married. This all is just too crazy.
5:53 am on May 6th, 2009 17
I guess you just don’t get it.
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10:33 am on May 7th, 2009 18
Well to demote a 1SG it takes an act of congress to do so and females about 99% of the time get off lite in the army too.
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11:11 am on May 20th, 2009 19
So does anyone know SGT Gonzalez Unit that he is currently in?
Seems that hes a real player
Hes married but doesnt care because hes cheating
with a number of other females
A soldier like this, is not a soldier at all
I need to contact his unit.
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6:34 am on May 22nd, 2009 20
I understand that someone that was court-martialed today (22 May 09) used a 9mm to take his life between the old Balboni theater and the White House on Yongsan at lunch time.
[DELETED BY MODERATOR: Let's wait for official notification being naming people].
That seems to be the word on base.
Regardless of who it is I am certain there will be an investigation as to how the individual got his hands on a loaded weapon.
It’s a shame it came to this. My condolences go to his family.
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6:41 am on May 22nd, 2009 21
Has anyone else heard this?
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6:41 am on May 22nd, 2009 22
Just re-read teh earlier posts. Guess if it was him he wasn’t a very nice person after all.
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8:13 am on May 22nd, 2009 23
It is true that a SGT who was court-martialed took his life today. Everyone is a bit shaken up needless to say and it is probably best not to discuss it any further until official notifications have been sent out.
It is a horrible thing regardless of the persons character because that person leaves behind family and friends who loved him.
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May 22nd, 2009 at 9:48 am
Yes lets not comment on the person’s name until official notification from USFK is issued. Thanks.
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10:07 am on May 22nd, 2009 24
He went up to a lower ranking enlisted guy and told him he wanted to see his gun to make sure he had the correct rounds in it. He took the gun to the side of the CIG building and shot himself.
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3:42 pm on May 22nd, 2009 25
I accept the intrest in the loss of my husband. I would also appreciate it if you please let us deal with this loss as easy as possible. Please let us greave in pease. Yes he had issues but sometimes we get lost and can’t find the way out. I will love and miss my husband foe the rest of my life. No matter how much trouble he got himself into.
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May 22nd, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Mrs. G you have my condolences for your loss.
For everyone else don’t launch any personal attacks against the guy. If you want to criticize someone then criticize SFC Morales. If he had a decent First Sergeant this probably could have all been prevented. That is why I was so critical of her in the posting.
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May 22nd, 2009 at 8:08 pm
i have a daughter from gonzalez, we divorced june 2008 due to his relationship with michelle. Mrs. G. please contact me, i would like to talk to you.
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May 22nd, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Hi ashlie. Vanessamv2003@yahoo.com. Email me. I’ll give you my number
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May 23rd, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Please contact me…I was also with gonzo in that time period…fitchscorpio@aol.com
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8:34 pm on May 22nd, 2009 26
[DELETED BY MODERATOR: Please no attacks on the guy]
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May 22nd, 2009 at 9:32 pm
That’s cold.
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May 23rd, 2009 at 5:43 am
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12:01 pm on May 23rd, 2009 27
GONZO WAS A GOOD FRIEND AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU ALL DIDNT TALK iLL OF THE DEAD, R.I.P GONZO
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2:52 pm on May 23rd, 2009 28
To open my door and see the chaplan and the captain standing there… Then to see the nasty comments left about my husband. Its making the situation harder then necessary Please just let him rest in peace.
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4:03 am on May 26th, 2009 29
I knew Sgt Gonzalez pretty well he was always very nice. I still cant belive it I just saw him at the gym before I went to the field a couple weeks ago. I shocked & stunned & would like to send flowers to his family. I wasnt very close to him but always thought of him highly. I am very sorry to hear this devastating news. A person actions doesn’t make the person its is heart.
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May 26th, 2009 at 5:45 am
>A person actions doesn’t make the person its is heart.<
I watch, only mildly interested at this point, as civilization collapses….and I no longer question why it’s collapsing. We’re doomed.
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6:34 am on May 26th, 2009 30
In the road of life there are many turns. So many take the easy wrong over the hard right. Seems tragedies like those happening including Roh’s would be averted if people stayed on the road of sound ethics and morals. For people who get in over their heads, they have no one to blame and we all know it.
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6:57 am on May 26th, 2009 31
I understand the sensitivity on these things so I waited some time for the emotions to damp down, but I have a question regarding the moderation of this blog.
We went for weeks allowing some very vile comments about and against a young filipina who was brutally murdered and against her grieving family members. The HEARSAY accusations against her seemed much less reprehensible than the much more supported accusations against this young man.
Most were understanding and respectful to his family and friends and inappropriate comments were deleted in this case, but that did not occur in the former case.
Double standard? What are the standards here?
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7:12 am on May 26th, 2009 32
The First Sergeant is a total disgrace to the Noncommissioned Officer Corps, and her actions directly contributed to the recent tragedy and loss of life. No amount of previous service, however honorable, can make up for the trust and abuse she committed while being assigned as a First Sergeant. She should have been stripped of her status as a noncommissioned officer and discharged from the Army for bringing discredit upon the Noncommissioned Officer Corps and the Army. Further, she violated the trust the American people put in the Noncommissioned Officer’s Corp and Commissioned Officer’s Corp. The late soldier had a family. There is no excuse for her behavior. She took and oath, and violated it. My sincere condolences to the family.
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May 26th, 2009 at 8:27 am
are we reading the same comments here? Look at the the poor women he put through pain. He took an oath and violated it also. None of these women deserve the pain they are in at this point due to this young boy and for this my heart goes out to them. He took the chance for all the children (4 from the women who just came out here) to get to know him if they ever wanted to. What he did was a selfish thing. He was only thinking of himself at the end. No action is ever worth taking your own for.
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1:14 pm on May 26th, 2009 33
???, you missed the point. I agree that taking his life was a selfish act and of his own decision. My point is that a First Sergeant carrying out her duties as stated in the NCO Creed, could have prevented this situation. Instead she engaged in the situation and violated not only the NCO Creed, but the taking care of her subordinate soldiers. She failed miserably and was deceitful in the process, and put her own interests above those of her soldiers. None of the women deserved the pain they went through because of this junior NCO, but you cannot dismiss the fact that the First Sergeant missed an opportunity to intervene in the soldiers life and perhaps get him the professional help he obviously needed. She instead perpetuated the situation by being involved in a relationship with him. She had the responsibility and resources to possibly prevent this tragedy, but was too engaged in her own selfish desires, which she placed above her responsibilities and duties as a First Sergeant. The trust and confidence placed in her upon promotion as assignment as a First Sergeant were blatantly ignored and abused.
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2:42 pm on May 26th, 2009 34
JoeC…
That was insightful.
The best response might be that Internet Filipinas are a well-known creature… like poisonous snakes and people with pictures of naked children, they are guilty until proven innocent… and that is for good reason.
As expected, nothing that came up through rumor, investigation, legal testimony or defense by family even came close to contradicting the preconceived notions of what she was… because, well, like water is wet and grass is green, the “stereotype” is actually an accurate representation of reality in this case.
This current situation, however, is abnormal in many ways… meaning that there aren’t multiple (and unanimous) examples to draw upon when coming to a conclusion about what happened.
For this reason, prudence seemed the best course.
Despite the tragedy, now that this unusual situation is more clear, I would hope the moderation would be more reserved if someone were to speak truthfully and sincerely… even if it might be offensive to those involved.
To answer your question, the double standard existed because the situations only appeared to be the same.
As the character analysis of the individuals in question seem to be converging, we might test the existence of a double standard by having Mark re-post his spot-on comment and see if it is deleted again.
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May 26th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
The NCO just died and the first thing to be written about him doesn’t need to be attacks. Plus we still don’t even know if this story is true yet. There has been nothing in the S&S or on the USFK website.
Also you guys are operating on the false assumption I read all the comments. I work all day and cannot access the site and at times miss comments. If you have a problem with a comment you can email me which many people have done before to alert me to a comment you think is inappropriate.
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3:02 pm on May 26th, 2009 35
I’m really surprised that nothing about Sgt Gonzalez has appeared (yet) in the Stars & Stripes.
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4:10 pm on May 26th, 2009 36
Cue the circus music…Any unit which would tolerate an atmosphere which had a 1SG like this, and a junior NCO like the late Sgt was yet another example of whatever passes for a military organization over here.
When you have people like Mike Monsoor and Ross McGinniss giving their last full measure of devotion for their brother warriors and you contrast it like this, it’s obvious that some people- and their units- are worth something, and others are merely a government check and an enabler for the most base lifestyles.
Everyone of us in uniform needs to take a hard look at this outfit and its leaders so we don’t let any of our people- including ourselves- fall into any of these disgraceful practices.
Anyone who makes excuses for any of them is nothing but a spineless moral coward. There is never an excuse for this type of conduct.
I wonder what the officers are saying right now.
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6:24 pm on May 26th, 2009 37
I would have to say that while I feel bad for these women and children, they are the ones that chose poorly.
Did they take the time to get to know this guy? Did they (especially after the first 2 or 3) question his motives and actions? Or, as I suspect, they all just jumped into a relationship with him and started pumping out babies, hoping for the best (and/or not thinking of the future)? What was it with this guy? I’m suspecting he is the one who seduced the 1SG, although that is certainly no excuse for her, by far. These things happen the other way around all the time but it’s usually the female making the male do stupid shiat.
I have real questions:
Was he a con man?
Was he hung like a horse?
Was he charming?
Outrageously handsome?
…a super playa?
WTF was the deal here?
As far as a S&S article, if there ever is one, I’m sure there will be a quote from Mr. Alexander stating that the rain made the situation more special and memorable.
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May 27th, 2009 at 5:52 am
Leon, the comments I posted right after the incident pretty much sounded like yours. Apparently my comments were too harsh and was censored. Give me a break. I didn’t say anything untrue. Just stated what appeared to be character flaws from what all his baby mommas are saying. The double standard on the CPT Grey’s wife astounds me. Let’s all talk some crap about her but don’t touch this guy. Ladies, if you don’t like what the comments say why are you reading this? You know it isn’t going to be good.
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May 28th, 2009 at 2:27 am
Everyone who knew the Sgt in question here in the US has continued reading these comments every day, because the Army is not telling us anything. This blog has given family and friends information regarding his death faster than any other means. Thats why we are reading these comments. I hope some day you never have to experience the unanswered questions and inability to get answers like the family is experiencing right now. I spent ten years in the army and all of this soldiers brothers and sisters served as well including 1 sibling still serving. That makes five of us who served in the Army form this family. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, however you should remember that all people make mistakes and would you want your family reading negative comments about you after your death while they search for answers.
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6:50 pm on May 26th, 2009 38
are you seriously blaming these women? Did any of them have more than one child with him, no. From their responses they all found out about this guy right here from these comments. They all left him after finding out what kind of guy he was. He did not come with a warning card. They all probably started like all relationships do, they just start and as time goes by you find out if you want to stay or not. To say they made poor decisons is a total desrespect to these children and women. I believe that most things happen for a reason. God helped to bring these children into this world for whatever reason he had. What I don’t believe is he had the plan to take away their father because suicide is the greatest sin. But whatever the reason these women had a relationship with this guy is no reason to tarnish the gift they got out of it. I leave you with this:
He who is without sin cast the first stone.
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May 27th, 2009 at 5:56 am
JV, you don’t think getting knocked up by some random guy and having the kid is a bad decision? Perhaps we should talk less about sin and more about stupid. I don’t see anyone tarnishing the kids. Perhaps the women but not the kids.
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7:11 pm on May 26th, 2009 39
First of all you are saying “God had a plan” bringing these children into the world. You then state: “…I don’t believe is he had the plan to take away their father because suicide is the greatest sin.”
Well which is it?
First, since you are fond of quoting ancient literature:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”
- Epicurus
Your argument is nonsense. Let’s leave metaphysics out of it shall we?
Ok. These women _only_ had one kid with the guy before they figured him out. Well now, it’s a good thing they didn’t wait before it was too late! How about getting to know him a bit better BEFORE having a kid? You know, a little personal responsibility. Self accounting? Due diligence? Any of these ring a bell?
Women in general are usually fairly astute and picking out shiat-birds in the breeding stock. Some choose to ignore the warning signs at their own peril. Of course their perception may be altered if they, themselves, had a poor upbringing. It’s a (usually uninterrupted) vicious cycle of poverty and ignorance. Sad but true.
I simply suggest mayhap they could have got to know him better before they had their one special “gift” as you so eloquently describe the human reproductive cycle.
/I’m sorry if I upset you. My (legitimate) comment was meant for grown ups.
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May 26th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
are you getting anything out of this you are saying about each female? What’s done is done. Why can’t people just leave it be. I love my child and that’s all that matters. I don’t regret my choices, and you can judge me because of it and each other female as you are. But this was my choice to have my daughter, and i thank this man for my beautiful child that i have today. Because my daughter has changed my life, she is the most precious thing to ever come into my life.
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May 26th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Sorry for your loss ma’am.
Do not take these posts personal. What we are discussing is not necessarily your case in particular but a broader issue. You are not alone. Perhaps in your time if grieving, I might suggest you avoid these types of threads for a while. The discussions of the broader implications of situations like these will continue; but you need not subject yourself to them.
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8:01 pm on May 26th, 2009 40
My argument is only nonsense if you do not believe in any higher power.
“Women in general.” I’m sorry, I did not know we were dealing with an expert. I had no idea you are so perfect and without fault that you make all the right decisions in life and your entire life is shielded from the rest of us. People live life. They do not know what is behind the next bend. If life was so predictable we would not be having this conversation because none of this would have happened.
We have the tools to make the decisions we live with. You for instance, are probably the type of person who see’s the glass has half empty. You see all the negative in things and focus on it. Never mind about people who are here in this situation and are dealing with everything. Who have taken up the responsibility of their actions and are trying to make the best of it. Why not focus on the topic of the court martial and not the innocent people who were affected by it.
My comment (legitimate or not) was meant for all and not just grown ups.
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May 26th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Well sorry, since you are now the expert, I’ve made plenty of mistakes (one of them was replying to you)
and I see the glass as slightly more than half full – with or without a “higher power”.
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May 26th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
People indeed do live life. When they are put in positions of trust and reveal a marked pattern of a lack of good judgment and integrity, they need to be squashed by their leaders like the bugs they are.
This isn’t a federal jobs program in lieu of welfare- America trusts these people with her sons and daughters. America- and her sons and daughters- deserve better than THIS rabble.
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8:27 pm on May 26th, 2009 41
Seriously!!
You don’t know anything about what happened or what went on. Your on the outside looking in. Its easy for you to try and judge ppl you don’t even know.
I love my son and I’m happy that he’s here now.
That’s all that matters.
The ill comments speaking on matters that don’t concern you are not needed.
The man is dead
Children have lost their father
A woman lost her husband
No matter the wrong he did
It was his life
People mess up sometimes
And its not up to you to judge us or him.
You had nothing to do with this so
Leave it alone
If you don’t have anything nice to say
Don’t say anything at all
Because really are you such and angel yourself?
And at the end of the day:
“Only GOD can judge me”
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May 26th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
As I said. I’m no angel, and I’m trying to be nice here, but not everyone on the internetwebtubes are “nice people”.
Military morale and discipline effect all of us. Some things are bigger than the individuals involved.
That said, you are only torturing yourself by reading this stuff. No one is forcing you. And yes, these types of things effect us all, especially in the context of such a small community as USFK.
People do not have to walk in your exact same shoes to have empathy. Also, I do not believe anyone has picked on or blamed any innocent children for anything.
I will attempt to refrain from commenting in this thread as I am beginning to feel as I am trapped in a text version of the Jerry Springer Show.
Finally, I would be careful about whom you wish to be judged by.
Condolences, good luck to you and yours, best of wishes and adios.
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May 26th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
I’m one of those not “nice people” and I have no apologies for it. And it is very much in my lane to pass judgment on people who can’t be trusted. The life I save might be mine.
People do mess up. It’s up to leadership to hold them to high standards and perhaps give a chance to people who have made “mistakes”. But when said leadership doesn’t do its job, the cancer of ill discipline and lack of integrity percolate to the top. Then you have NCOs and officers devoid of solid character in places of responsibility and influence. A recipe for disaster. A pattern of a lack of character is not a “mistake”- it is a character flaw. I don’t need such people as subordinates and I sure as hell don’t want to trust such a person with the life of my son or daughter.
This IS like a cyber text version of the Jerry Springer Show. What a circus. This is a real sad indicator of the state of leadership in this particular unit. First, you have to give a damn about something other than your immediate gratification.
I don’t expect many of today’s pop culture to “get it”. I’ll just sit back and watch it all collapse. Then I get to watch you all point fingers and shift blame on mean people like me.
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May 27th, 2009 at 6:07 am
Selph, from what I can see you are the one airing your dirty laundry all over this webpage. It sounds more like bragging but who knows why you would brag about getting knocked up by a married guy. So you didn’t know he was married? How freakin hard is it to find out if someone is married in the military? Not hard at all. What you think what his friends and the absence of a wedding ring is the true indicator? Of course your baby is a wonderful gift but it’s not going to be much of a gift to your baby when it finds out she was a product of a joke of a relationship it’s father killed himself. What a gift. Why don’t women think before they do this kind of crap? Women are too damn emotional.
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8:27 pm on May 26th, 2009 42
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10:00 pm on May 26th, 2009 43
I walked by the side of bldg 2501 today. There’s still blood on the side of the building and on the door. It’s a rather sobering sight.
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10:59 pm on May 26th, 2009 44
Hmmm…
Based on observations, statistics and probability, I have drawn the following conclusion with reasonable confidence.
It sounds like this man took the easiest, and possibly only, way out of an unwinnable situation… likely brought about, to a large degree, by some of his “supporters” here.
There is a very good chance he was looking at the next couple decades in life consisting of crippling personal poverty and very hard work to fill the many upturned hands demanding child support.
A loss in rank and income may just have been the triggering factor in this escape from a downward spiral of hopelessness.
It is possible that each of these women (and likely others who didn’t just happen to show up here) balanced their right to have the exclusive “freedom to control their bodies” with the personal responsibility to accept that this very right makes them fully accountable for the results.
But we know society doesn’t work like that… and modern American women make a lot of decisions knowing that the inconvenience of any “mistake” will be offset by a monthly check… cheered on by indignant friends and backed up by a massive for-profit bureaucracy.
We can discuss the not-to-complex chains of reasoning involved if anyone wants to debate this.
Somewhere under the calls for being a “responsible father” (read, responsible financial supporter) the more fundamental concept of being a “responsible woman” has been lost.
If any of these women can honestly say they asked for nothing from this man except for him to love his children, and they made a great effort to keep him in their children’s lives, they are to be commended for accepting the responsibility of motherhood with the best interest of their children in mind.
Otherwise, they should quietly reflect upon their responsibilities as a woman and a mother and consider what they might have done differently.
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May 27th, 2009 at 12:53 am
I would have gladly asked for nothing from this ‘man’ except for him to love his child and to be in our child’s life, but quite frankly that is not enough to support a child FULLY. Finance plays a great part in the upbringing of a child.I agree we both had a responsibility now that we have a child. (but i do have to say a condom was used each and every time sexual intercourse was conducted between the two of us. What then?) Why is his financial status erased if he only provides love for his child and effort to be in their life? Does the mothers financial status erase for that matter when she does provide that for her child? No, she still will have to put clothes on that childs back, and food in ‘its’ mouth, and pay for the resources such as daycare and medical bills, books, toys, and transportation. I can honestly say I asked him never to look for me or my child and I would never ask him for a single dime……..he did not oblige.
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6:12 am on May 27th, 2009 45
There is currently more than one SSG Morales Aviation K-16 doing the same thing that the 1SG is doing
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12:27 am on May 28th, 2009 46
My father always told me if I played with fire I would get burned. I knew what he meant.
Overwhelming, our society abides by an “unwritten moral code”. A human being inherently knows right from wrong, they know when they are lying, cheating or stealing. I have no sympathy for those who get caught violating societies morays.
Here’s a hint to the secret of a content life – don’t lie, cheat or steal – its that simple.
Oh yea, I almost forgot- NEVER SHAKE YOUR BABY
I’m surrounded by idiots that flow from their societies within America into the Armed Forces where they are given an opportunity to disassociate themselves from their previous slum – worthless – crappy life, but they instead cling to it.
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1:57 am on May 28th, 2009 47
“I’m surrounded by idiots that flow from their societies within America into the Armed Forces where they are given an opportunity to disassociate themselves from their previous slum – worthless – crappy life, but they instead cling to it.”
This has got to be a week with some of the most insightful and wisest quotes ever to grace the pages of ROK Drop.
Even in some other posts where people have stated things I don’t fully agree with, their point of view has been well-said and intelligently explained.
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May 28th, 2009 at 2:06 am
Quit trolling!
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6:48 am on May 28th, 2009 48
“I’m surrounded by idiots that flow from their societies within America into the Armed Forces where they are given an opportunity to disassociate themselves from their previous slum – worthless – crappy life, but they instead cling to it.”
HEY NOW! You’re such a hater! You ain’t embracin’ diversity!
Dude or dudette- you nailed it. Your beer is free if I ever meet you. Then we can rebuild The Army together and solve the rest of the problems of the world!
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11:34 am on May 28th, 2009 49
For all of you interested in seein him
go to this link
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=284488717&albumId=840364
he is the one with black tshirt (and lil skull on the side) and light jeans. seems like they had a “great” party that night..
anyway condolences to his wife and family
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June 1st, 2009 at 4:54 pm
damn his friend took that album off..what were u afraid of Taylor?
looks like u had to hide all the fun u both had with the h***ers u hired!!
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11:35 am on May 28th, 2009 50
“I’m surrounded by idiots that flow from their societies within America into the Armed Forces where they are given an opportunity to disassociate themselves from their previous slum – worthless – crappy life, but they instead cling to it.”
Upon further reflection, this quote SOOOOOOOO nailed many problems with today’s society.
But upon a further level of reflection, it occurred to me that maybe they AREN’T given the opportunity to disassociate themselves from their previous lives…
…but, in fact, are encouraged to embrace them… by short-term thinking politicians and self-serving “leadership”.
A generation (or two) ago, the military was a GREAT equalizer and “empowerer”.
This means that it didn’t matter if you came from the farm or the ghetto, certain things were expected of you… and, if you didn’t perform, they were beat into you.
There was no paperwork-to-death-until-kicked-out-to-become-a-criminal… you either got on the program or you got your ass beat until you got on the program. Simple.
At some point, you got on the program and became “an American”… maybe even one with an education… and you realized there was more to life than what your hometown offered you… and you were forced to realize that not everything that Ma and Pa (or your crack-smokin’ friends) did was the best way… or even correct.
No “diversity”, no hyphenated-American categories with different rules… you just melted into the pot and did your job or you got the beat-down by those who knew the job and expected you to do your part.
And when you got out of the military, you took your personal discipline and transformation to a citizen of “American culture” and higher education back to the sh!thole you came from and impressed your local-yocal friends, standing on the same street corner, with the man you had become… a man who was forced to pick up and wield the tools necessary to succeed in life.
Fast forward…
It seems no matter how screwed up and self-destructive the value system is today, politicians are standing in line to embrace it in the name of “diversity”. This attitude has filtered down into the military where the goal has become to change the military to fit the soldiers instead of changing the soldiers to fit the military.
Diversity has its place. That’s why we eat pizza and tacos, celebrate St. Patty’s day and listen to rap. The traditional Number One Reason for America’s success has been to adopt the best parts of every culture while rejecting their faults.
Not now.
Embracing every part of every culture, no matter how broken, is not the answer… and it is self-destructive for the nation and the military.
Forced diversity is bad… as is the thinking that everyone is a winner no matter what screwed up crap they pull off… and it is even worse when substandard cultural traits are somehow rationalized as equal in value based on the arbitrary measurement of skin color.
And allowing military members (or American citizens) to think the broken parts of their culture are acceptable (and even worth championing) is a bazaar strategy for national unity… blatantly counter to national success.
I could go on. You get the point. Argue with me at your own peril.
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12:29 pm on May 31st, 2009 51
Whats done is done. The sergeant was really a good leader until the dam relationship. He had issues but overall he would place himself before others and was leading troops the way they should be lead. All this that he was a playboy has nothing to do with the way he conducted himself on duty. What he did in his spare time has nothing to say on behalf of how he was and the way way he treated people. R.I.P SGT Gonzales.
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June 1st, 2009 at 3:51 am
The really sad thing about your statement is that you really believe that, and that have learned to accept this lack of control and lack of responsibility as OK, normal, and acceptable, in a world where anything goes depending on how YOU feel about it- both in the society you come from, and the current Army culture in which you serve.
This worries me more than you will ever be ever to fathom.
It really is all about feelings, isn’t it?
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