Comments on: Korean Bar Owners Want to Do Away with the Curfew http://rokdrop.com/2009/04/27/korean-bar-owners-want-to-do-away-with-the-curfew/ Korea From North to South Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:07:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: jeffg http://rokdrop.com/2009/04/27/korean-bar-owners-want-to-do-away-with-the-curfew/comment-page-1/#comment-435039 jeffg Fri, 07 Oct 2011 18:54:04 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=12738#comment-435039 I was one of those big MPs that used to cruise the ville while at Casey and Palham in the mid 80's. Spent some time in Seoul here and there (not as a working MP, but for a week once during TDY for NBC school while I was at Carroll with the 260th) Those were the days, Hooker Hill and Fish Alley. I partook of some local hospitality a time or two (wink). I never felt as unsafe in Itaewon as I did in the TDC ville while off-duty. I never knew when I was going to walk into a club with some drunk 11B/C who I had previously busted for Breach of Peace or something and who recognized me out of uniform. I was one of those big MPs that used to cruise the ville while at Casey and Palham in the mid 80′s. Spent some time in Seoul here and there (not as a working MP, but for a week once during TDY for NBC school while I was at Carroll with the 260th) Those were the days, Hooker Hill and Fish Alley. I partook of some local hospitality a time or two (wink). I never felt as unsafe in Itaewon as I did in the TDC ville while off-duty. I never knew when I was going to walk into a club with some drunk 11B/C who I had previously busted for Breach of Peace or something and who recognized me out of uniform.

]]> By: Charles http://rokdrop.com/2009/04/27/korean-bar-owners-want-to-do-away-with-the-curfew/comment-page-1/#comment-435036 Charles Fri, 07 Oct 2011 16:06:42 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=12738#comment-435036 You have to realize that Korea is a country where traditionally women are sold by their families into prostitution or sold outright to bars. Westerners get confused by this kind of atmosphere and tend to cross the line with other women they meet. Korea use to have a kind of Class system where lower class women could be mistreated, however; women on the street still were treated with some degree of respect. It is not only military personnel that are at fault but the country of Korea is also at fault. You have to realize that Korea is a country where traditionally women are sold by their families into prostitution or sold outright to bars. Westerners get confused by this kind of atmosphere and tend to cross the line with other women they meet. Korea use to have a kind of Class system where lower class women could be mistreated, however; women on the street still were treated with some degree of respect. It is not only military personnel that are at fault but the country of Korea is also at fault.

]]> By: 2dogs http://rokdrop.com/2009/04/27/korean-bar-owners-want-to-do-away-with-the-curfew/comment-page-1/#comment-378583 2dogs Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:10:11 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=12738#comment-378583 Bloody munts.... :lol: Who knew? Bloody munts…. :lol: Who knew?

]]> By: Sadie http://rokdrop.com/2009/04/27/korean-bar-owners-want-to-do-away-with-the-curfew/comment-page-1/#comment-378572 Sadie Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:21:53 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=12738#comment-378572 You knows what's funny? It says, quote: "Many, like Oh, who owns the King Club, said they don’t think there should be any curfew." than why is it that the picture says King Bar You knows what's funny? It says, quote:

"Many, like Oh, who owns the King Club, said they don’t think there should be any curfew."

than why is it that the picture says King Bar

]]> By: Villain http://rokdrop.com/2009/04/27/korean-bar-owners-want-to-do-away-with-the-curfew/comment-page-1/#comment-314461 Villain Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:26:52 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=12738#comment-314461 I lived near a base that had a ville and the base closed. Within a month the bars and GI junk shops turned into something else. I lived near a base that had a ville and the base closed. Within a month the bars and GI junk shops turned into something else.

]]> By: smoothbore http://rokdrop.com/2009/04/27/korean-bar-owners-want-to-do-away-with-the-curfew/comment-page-1/#comment-314203 smoothbore Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:02:02 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=12738#comment-314203 Itaewon is mostly Korean now. I went to Itaewon to get away from Koreans, but stopped going because of too many Koreans going there these days. I never had any problems with any GIs. Of course, I served three years in the CF, so that made it easier. Start pulling troops out of the country, watch all the spinoff jobs disappear, then the Koreans will start crying. Itaewon is mostly Korean now. I went to Itaewon to get away from Koreans, but stopped going because of too many Koreans going there these days.

I never had any problems with any GIs. Of course, I served three years in the CF, so that made it easier.

Start pulling troops out of the country, watch all the spinoff jobs disappear, then the Koreans will start crying.

]]> By: Leon LaPorte http://rokdrop.com/2009/04/27/korean-bar-owners-want-to-do-away-with-the-curfew/comment-page-1/#comment-314004 Leon LaPorte Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:38:25 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=12738#comment-314004 Many of the bar owners in area I would prefer the 01:00 curfew, for many reasons. 1. The all night dance clubs did good business with international factory worker after 1. Orangistanis owned the place and were in turn fleeced as the GI's were fleeced, everyone got a turn. 2. Staying open til 3, like #1 said, is a killer. There are girls working 18 hours on the weekends. 3. Business has went down. The GI's have time and inclination to go elsewhere. etc etc etc. Many of the bar owners in area I would prefer the 01:00 curfew, for many reasons.

1. The all night dance clubs did good business with international factory worker after 1. Orangistanis owned the place and were in turn fleeced as the GI's were fleeced, everyone got a turn.

2. Staying open til 3, like #1 said, is a killer. There are girls working 18 hours on the weekends.

3. Business has went down. The GI's have time and inclination to go elsewhere.

etc etc etc.

]]> By: eslkor http://rokdrop.com/2009/04/27/korean-bar-owners-want-to-do-away-with-the-curfew/comment-page-1/#comment-313979 eslkor Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:22:43 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=12738#comment-313979 I last went to Itaewon back in the fall of 2006. It had gone way, way downhill compared to my previous visit in 1993. However, it's not just Itaewon, all the military villes are crap now. Songtan is probably worse but how do you compare them? Korea is different as you still have a large single military population that comes over on short tours and many just want to drink and get into trouble. True, it's mostly Army but it doesn't matter to the Koreans or high brass. It only takes ONE incident (Pvt. Markle, 2 girls run over)to screw it up for everyone. That's how tenuous the Ville situation it is in Korea now. I last went to Itaewon back in the fall of 2006. It had gone way, way downhill compared to my previous visit in 1993. However, it's not just Itaewon, all the military villes are crap now. Songtan is probably worse but how do you compare them?

Korea is different as you still have a large single military population that comes over on short tours and many just want to drink and get into trouble. True, it's mostly Army but it doesn't matter to the Koreans or high brass.

It only takes ONE incident (Pvt. Markle, 2 girls run over)to screw it up for everyone. That's how tenuous the Ville situation it is in Korea now.

]]> By: 80/90s Troop http://rokdrop.com/2009/04/27/korean-bar-owners-want-to-do-away-with-the-curfew/comment-page-1/#comment-313967 80/90s Troop Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:43:01 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=12738#comment-313967 "Itaewon is full of "unclean" expats, transgender people and toughs ready to cause trouble". Interesting! Unless those are our Soldiers (not) then the curfew has nothing to do with it. How fondly I remember those huge MPs and KATUSA MPs walking up and down Hooker Hill (when it was REALLY Hooker Hill). Add "drink" and Dudes (military or not)and you will have fights. Curfew ONLY insures these fights will be at the NCO Club. I will repeat myself: No curfew at Ft Hood or Campbell. They are MAN enough to drink in the states. So, WHAT MAKES KOREA SO DIFFERENT? Also, why do so many people want to blame the curfew. I spent seven years in area III without a curfew! The only fight I was involved with was another soldier, in the barracks, at sometime before 22:00. Down in the "ville" there was trouble sometimes. Drink + Dudes = trouble (sometimes!!!). If 8th army brass can't figure this simple stuff out, that is just sad. Two suggestions: Number one- no third country women working in the GI bars (SOFA)bars. Number two- No curfew. Treat them the same as you do every where else they SERVE. Get those big MPs and KATUSA MPs back up on the "hill". Not at a certain time, all the time. I really enjoyed my time in Korea :grin: I would hate to be there now --- in uniform :roll: "Itaewon is full of "unclean" expats, transgender people and toughs ready to cause trouble". Interesting! Unless those are our Soldiers (not) then the curfew has nothing to do with it. How fondly I remember those huge MPs and KATUSA MPs walking up and down Hooker Hill (when it was REALLY Hooker Hill).

Add "drink" and Dudes (military or not)and you will have fights. Curfew ONLY insures these fights will be at the NCO Club.

I will repeat myself: No curfew at Ft Hood or Campbell. They are MAN enough to drink in the states. So, WHAT MAKES KOREA SO DIFFERENT? Also, why do so many people want to blame the curfew. I spent seven years in area III without a curfew! The only fight I was involved with was another soldier, in the barracks, at sometime before 22:00. Down in the "ville" there was trouble sometimes. Drink + Dudes = trouble (sometimes!!!).

If 8th army brass can't figure this simple stuff out, that is just sad.

Two suggestions: Number one- no third country women working in the GI bars (SOFA)bars. Number two- No curfew. Treat them the same as you do every where else they SERVE. Get those big MPs and KATUSA MPs back up on the "hill". Not at a certain time, all the time. I really enjoyed my time in Korea :grin: I would hate to be there now — in uniform :roll:

]]> By: JoeC http://rokdrop.com/2009/04/27/korean-bar-owners-want-to-do-away-with-the-curfew/comment-page-1/#comment-313966 JoeC Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:41:37 +0000 http://rokdrop.com/?p=12738#comment-313966 I forgot to add my explanation. Sports bars, where people go to play pool and darts, tend to open much earlier than all night party clubs. I forgot to add my explanation. Sports bars, where people go to play pool and darts, tend to open much earlier than all night party clubs.

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