I have to giggle when I see the contract guards on post actually armed with a REAL gun, and the KNP asleep in their cruiser with the overheads on in front of the whole world…

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s o o c i a a l i s t

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s o o c i a a l i s t

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…which is spelled SOCIALIIST in Askimet Land… but PENIS gets through OK.

Almost 50 million people in Korea… and few thousand are worked up about something or other.

It's another deviancy amplification spiral in the making.

From where I'm standing, the Average Kim is more worried about the economy (and his place in it) than anything from Yongsan, amok tracked vehicles or prion-infected beef.

They don't care too much for 2MB but they cared even less for Roh… and now they just feel sorry for him.

Unless they are out of a job, their income depends on national stability… and they aren't going to violently support whatever hype, real or imagined, the left-wingers have dreamed up.

Without that national support, these demonstrators will be an irritation and not a movement.

If the economy goes bad, much of the above could be null and void.

To all those making fun of Korean "democracy" over this, it is an interesting way to telegraph ignorance of a chain of incredibly violent demonstrations throughout American history… some of which were for equally unnecessary reasons.

Korea is a very young democracy.

Made a quick pass through City Hall just now but could only handle a few minutes of it. By 7pm the hard-core groups had dropped all pretense of dignified mourning and were facing off against the police line on T'aep'yongno, blasting loud "workers' songs" from the back of a truck to pump up the crowd and calling to "Overthrow the dictatorship!" and generally speechifying at eardrum-shredding levels against the government. Clearly a political rally, with maybe a thousand people sitting or standing in front of the police line and City Hall Plaza itself occupied with several thousand more, though the gathering there was somewhat less intense. Interestingly, the most dominant propaganda literature was about the Yongsan Incident, and they had set up a big tent in front of City Hall with funeral pictures of the squatters who had died in the raid in January. Scrawled in large letters on another tent nearby was the phrase "Detestable Lee Myung-bak," signed only

with the logo of "All Together," a radical socialist group that was prominent during the mad-cow protests last year. Anyway, the large flyers denouncing the government's response to Yongsan were everywhere, and everyone was reading them carefully, including even uniformed high school girls and prim young female office workers. It's kind of funny considering that hardly anyone cared when it actually happened, but now that people are worked up over Roh's death, they're apparently more willing to latch onto any excuse to blame the government for their frustrations. Other placards being carried by many read either "Out with the Killer Regime of Myung-bak [sic]" and "Protect Democratic Rights" (also produced by All Together). Anyway, we'll see what kind of "propaganda" they can produce tonight, in order to bring out the masses for another big rally they have planned for tomorrow afternoon.

Korean "democracy" — gotta love it.

So, to review, the topic was conspiracies, not Bush – clear?

Also, one needn't be a leftist sympathizer to want Roh's "suicide" investigated. One needn't really beleive that it was anything other than a suicide. Had none of the initial rumors surrounding the death proved to be true, we could all dismiss the "theories" about what "really" happened. Unfortunately, the bodyguard not only lied repeatedly, but tried to coerce at least one witness to supporting his lie. So, if you don't carry out an actual investigation, the story of Roh's death is always going to be burdened by unanswered questions and fuel the public's lack of faith in their government. If anything, it is in the best interests of the conservative party to get this cleared up to everyone's satisfaction as soon as possible.

John Galt your statement trying to bring in Bush/Cheney conspiracy theories on this thread would be as ridiculous as someone trying to bring up Obama birth certificate conspiracy theories on this thread. Such a person I would say has ODS, which unfortunately in recent months has been spreading as bad as BDS.

However, the South and North Koreans are also off the charts with their nationalism. We all know how it is in the North, where one man has created a cult of personality akin to Hitler and Stalin. In the South, an ex-president with leftist Nationalism views killed himself for something so stupid.

My point to all of this is that do not get too absorbed over something such as Nationalism. Just because you came from a certain country doesn't mean it's really worth KILLING YOURSELF over. None of the 200 odd countries on earth nowadays is really anything like a shan-gri-la like we wish they were. Just enjoy your life to the best of your ability and don't get involved in all this silliness.

Just think, Roh only got into office because he was a meek puppet for the leftist Anti-American radicals. He let them destroy his life. Did he do anything great? Was that presidency a wonderful experience? Did S. Korea benefit from all it's Anti-Americanism?

Ultimately, he jumped off a cliff for all this brainwashing.

He probably would have been a decent man if he never got involved in all this stupid Nationalism.

You'll be a decent person too if you stay away from this life-destroying type of nonsense.

This, King Beaksu, is a noteworthy question; however, I suspect his supporters will only have scorn and derision toward you for asking it.