By What I don’t understand about this conviction is how do let an attempted rapist like this stay in the Army?:
An Army sergeant was found guilty Friday at Camp Humphreys of attempted rape and other charges and sentenced to nine months in jail and a reprimand.
Sgt. Fernando Martinez had pleaded not guilty to charges of rape, violation of a lawful order, attempted violation of a lawful general regulation, and making a false official statement.
A six-member jury found him guilty of all the charges except rape; they found him guilty instead of attempted rape.
Martinez is assigned to Battery E, 3rd Battalion, 2nd Air Defense Artillery, part of the 35th Air Defense Artillery Brigade. [Stars & Stripes]
From the information given in the article the guy wasn’t even reduced in rank, just given a reprimand. Sergeant Cuauhtemo Gonzalez who was involved in an adultery case had his rank reduced for having consensual sex with his first sergeant, yet someone who gets drunk and pulls a female soldier out of her bed and tries to rape her remains an NCO.
Is this a guy you would want in your unit leading soldiers?
1:13 am on June 7th, 2009 1
90-99 times out of a hundred the military guy is NOT a rapist. Usually, there are extenuating circumstances — almost always in the barracks — where the girl and guy are drinking and either the girl lies and said she was raped or the guy tried to kiss/fondle her.
None of this explains the situation away it's just a fact that young, uneducated people of both sexes play a stupid game when nobody is watching over them.
2:29 pm on June 7th, 2009 2
I agree with Ran. Often in these case's there are extenuating circumstances that would make the case not even hold up in civilian criminal court.
The female doesn't even need to say "no" or demonstrate any unwillingness, merely state that she was "afraid of displaying resistance" to get a conviction on someone. Remember in the US Military someone who is intoxicated can not give consent. But what exactly is intoxicated? Since females don't typically have a blood test or breathalyzer just prior to or immediately after the rape there is no way to prove "intoxication". So simply someone saying they "saw her drinking" or she saying "I had a drink" is enough to rule that she was intoxicated.
This is the basic scenario,
Guy goes out with buddies to drink (or drinks in barracks party)
Girl goes out with friends to drink (or drinks in barracks party)
Guy + Girl meet, Guy + Girl (both being young and horny) talk and "get it on" either in his or her room.
Girl wakes up next day with a bad reputation (everyone saw the two together) and has issues.
Now most females will just understand it was a bad decision made under the presence of alcohol. But some… either through the fear of their reputation, or of their indiscretion getting back to their boyfriend / husband will cry rape.
And legally… it "WAS" rape. The moment she said "I had a drink", and the guy (usually to CID while their talking really nice) says "yeah we had a few drinks and had sex" the case was over. A single drink = inability to give consent. The inability to give consent means someone was raped (no matter they BOTH were drinking).
The "inability to give consent" was originally used to protect girls from guys trying to "get them drunk" but has blossomed into an easy way to convict any guy of rape. Its the single biggest reason I didn't mess with any soldier girls when I was in the service. In civilian court the burden of proof is on the accuser to "prove" you raped her, in military its on the defendant to "prove" he didn't.
*Hint*
If CID EVER wants to talk to you, refuse to say anything until you have a lawyer present. 90%+ of convictions are made from statements the defendant made to CID during initial questioning, usually without full knowledge that their basically confessing to something. Your chances of being acquitted go up significantly if you get a lawyer first (its your right) and they'll tell you what you should or should not say.
5:01 am on October 2nd, 2009 3
SGT Martinez Had also Rapes another female in the Anus but his unit kept that behind closed doors he was married having a affair with a PVT and sleeping with other NCO's.He was an alcoholic had gone to ASAP several times including during the court martial AND did drugs in front of soldiers in the rear.But his unit coverd all of this from what i herd a soldier treid to speak up and they accused her of lying and punished her.
12:04 pm on June 27th, 2010 4
I was one of the guys who put Sgt Martinez in his room twice that night around 10. This female went to his room, on a different floor, at 2:30 in the morning, after visitation, and brought her own condoms. This was proven. She had a fiance in yongsan, an ex in the states she was still sleeping with, and a boyfriend she was sleeping with in Suwon that was in our unit. These are just the ones I knew about. She set him up, and had tried to do the same six months before with an nco in her previous unit. All info was well known in our unit. Sgt Martinez was the victim of a predatory troublemaker. I saw it.
6:14 pm on June 7th, 2011 5
This comment is for highlander 4450. Get your facts straight. You were there that night? I don’t think so! You know nothing about me! He deserved what he got and pretty much, justice was served. As much as you would like to slander me, I’m afraid it’s not very affective. Sgt Martinez slept with alot of females in and outside that unit. That’s beside the point of what you think you know. Get a life and stop lying!
6:37 pm on June 7th, 2011 6
Again, not suprising at all.
6:37 pm on June 7th, 2011 7
“Sergeant Cuauhtemo Gonzalez”
I forgot about him.
Didn’t Horatio Pablo Lovecraft write about him?
6:45 pm on June 7th, 2011 8
I dont know who wrote about him.
6:58 pm on June 7th, 2011 9
I find it funny how people choose to add segments of the incident that happen that night when for one, they were not even there. I will say this, don’t make up false accusations about me out of favortism. I could care less who despises me actually. I’m not going to go into detail of what happened, out of respect of everyone who was involved. If you were friends or associates of sgt martinez, then thats fine, so be it. Making up things by word of mouth just makes you look bad and dumb. Second of all, if you were part of the witness party that was forced to stay in korea while everyone else in the unit went home, don’t find yourself making false accusations out of spite. It wasn’t my call to keep you there. You just happen to be guilty by association. You think I wanted to travel all the way back to korea myself? I saw everyone’s reaction towards me during and after the trial in the unit. All I can say is I apologize that you had to stay longer in that country but I don’t have remorse for anything else. It is what it is and what was done is done.
8:47 pm on June 7th, 2011 10
Do any of you Army people these days do any work- or do you just drink and funk all the time?
I joined the Army 30 years too early.
9:09 pm on June 7th, 2011 11
vince, the wrong thing you did was just join the army period.
9:13 pm on June 7th, 2011 12
Vince,
“do you just drink and funk all the time?”
Don’t be stupid.
They also play XBox, and hover over their Twitter feed.
9:16 pm on June 7th, 2011 13
No- mine was a different Army in a different time and place. You can’t go there anymore. If you could, you couldn’t hang. There are a few outfits putting the hurt on the durkas right now which are pretty close, though.
I miss it.
9:18 pm on June 7th, 2011 14
My last post was aimed at #11.
What a bunch of a$$ clowns. No pride. No hardness. No clue.
9:22 pm on June 7th, 2011 15
I’m glad my term of service was before Xbox, Twitter and other such gadgetry because such an obsession.
9:23 pm on June 7th, 2011 16
That’s “became” not “because”
11:13 pm on June 7th, 2011 17
Vince/Chris,
My non-scientific observation that never did develop a good explanation is…
In the year following September 11, 2001, the new batch of lower enlisted that came to Korea was much different than those before them.
It seemed they lacked judgement on what and who to respect. They valued shallow and superficial acquaintances who talked big over loyal friends who would back them up. They demonstrated poor and arrogant manners toward each other. They were individualistic… not in a good self-sufficient way but in an I’m Special and Entitled so Cater to My Needs way.
I was not the only one to notice… and I got many explanations… none of them satisfactory.
Some reason I got were… they enlisted due to blind patriotism rather than a desire to be part of the military team with a military mindset, all the good people were being sent to the desert and the dregs were sent to Korea (certainly true for generals), they learned their social skills on chat boards, the military was more worried about politically-correct appearance than developing disciplined servicemembers, USFK encouraged babysitting over team-building and personal responsibility, the military no longer allowed wall-to-wall counseling, the young generation are nothing but slackers and misfits, Etc.
Maybe it was a bit of all of them… maybe it was something else… maybe it was coincidence… maybe I imagined it.
Whatever the case, I never did get my head around it.
Did anybody else notice this? I would love a solid answer. Does this still continue today?
One other thing… a few years later, the first batch of guys who came to Korea after being in the desert were solid guys who contrasted sharply with these other losers.
Just as these two cultures were colliding, I left the military base area so I never saw the result.
Anybody have input here?
12:04 am on June 8th, 2011 18
ChickenHead
You definitely got my attention and interest with your post #17 above. I wish I was in a position to contribute but I’m mainly an observer of this blog..a student of sorts. I’m no match for your experience. Your posts really make for some interesting reading and I look forward to what others have to say.
12:16 am on June 8th, 2011 19
There were the children of the 1990s – Barney – era, and in the schools, they were not to be told the truth about performance. Each one was special – in only a good way. Every school project was “awesome” – Everything at a B+ or better. A B+ was a bad grade for anyone who bothered to lift 2 or 1 1/2 fingers (instead of none and being satisfied with the mandatory 85).
It was a breed raised on the idea that – not only was corporal pusnishement (by parents) was evil – but saying anything bad about the child/what the child did would crush them and “destory their potential.”
I guess the military finally got brought into the project to instill self-worship with the whole “Army of One” thing…
See, “Be All You Can Be” put too much pressure on the young tikes. Pressing young people to strive to be better might lead to self-disappointment…Better to tell them they are already an Army of One by signing a contract…
In short, I didn’t experience what Chickenhead writes about soldiers, but it fits in perfectly with what I saw in US education.
2:05 am on June 8th, 2011 20
I never bought into the notion that many soldiers enlisted for patriotic reasons – at least not during the all-voluntary Army era that started in 1975. I don’t have anything other than anecdotal evidence…don’t really even have that. Just my gut feeling.
2:39 am on June 8th, 2011 21
One specific thing that did happen after 9/11 was USFK chose that time to offer incentives for Army folk to extend their stays in Korea. Since Korea was technically a war assignment, it served as a protection from being sent to the desert. Needless to say, many of them took the offers.
When new troops would come to Korea years later, after 1, 2 or even 3 tours in the desert, they were surprised to find combat cherries who homesteaded over here and whose only war stories were about running the ville, drunken brawls and juicy conquests.
5:18 am on June 8th, 2011 22
The Army of today. It is viewed as a profession like any
other job in our society. Ergo a great influx of women,soon
guys that are homosexual. Stupid little ideas such as the
cute beret on soldiers head, worthless in functionality.
FLASH: The military is about fighting/dying/living in harsh
environments etc. Those that are enlisted in years gone by
had no delusions of what the Army was all about. Recognized
it was not a “regular job”. Throw a bunch of women and
mandate that a “gay” person can now come out of the closet
is woosifying the macho male culture a unique profession that is again fighting/killing etc. Equal opportunity for all regardless of gender/sexual orientation is not compatible. When I watched the Senate hearings on over
turning “Don’t ask…”, only the Marine Corp honcho said
that would cause problems, cost lives. The other generals
punked out and did political correctness BS. Right or wrong
men that chose to do a job such as being a soldier do not
accept homosexuality or act in a normal manner when you add
women in the mix, as nature has it. I think these things
are the genesis of a lot of problems discussed here, rape,
discipline, and overall behavior, attitude of the current
crop of soldiers of late. That is MY opinion.
7:04 am on June 8th, 2011 23
Where to start? PC! It is a cause, but only in the sense that it is wrong thinking.
#19 hit on something. Lets think about the two slogans. (be all that you can be)–makes sense. It says for you to do your best. Now, what does (an army of one) say? I never understood what that was attempting to say. But the so called soldiers that I had during that time were weak. Self serving individuals. I much prefered the hard-working, hard-drinking whoreMongers of my first 15 years. While there are exceptions, females in units with males has been a bad idea overall. They can’t be trusted to do the same work as a male, at their best. At worst they are a dividing force at platoon and company level.
Back to the subject of rape in the military. I would NEVER allow myself to be in any location alone with a female. They will say anything to get attention. They don’t care what happens or who they damage. I’ve seen it. Often!
I submitt Yvonne’s comments #5,9 and 11 as my evidence. Most of you here do not need them to be explained to you. But I bet she does.
7:54 am on June 8th, 2011 24
Don’t drink, don’t have sex with female soldiers, delete your facebook, have positive identification on the target and fire controlled pairs when clearing buildings, in counter insurgency less is more, so you should get out of your MRAPs and maybe even not have so much body armor to appear less threatening, win over the Pashtun/Arab populaces without making promises and build what you can because you’ll be getting crappy contracted wood from Turkey…
…and don’t cross the border into Pakistan, and let’s give them money
to use their logistics routes… but you can shoot the ISI if you recognize certain agents. Amazingly enough the infantry guys I meet are the least likely to complain about things and have the least sense of entitlement. Yes they want their x-box and facebook like everyone else though. Facebook = letters and phone calls but kind of BAD for OPSEC as ChickenHead has pointed out. Also, facebook has the added advantage/disadvantage of being able to see when Jodie makes his move and who Jodie is… or inducing such paranoia. Also because chat/communication is instant BUT there’s no body language, yay, you can write an out of control rant instead of having the time to sit down and think by writing a letter. Oh, and then you’ve got psychotic misandry lovin’ family court.
How dare you old foggies think you could beat my generation at complaining!
9:07 am on June 8th, 2011 25
#24 Good effort — *Kid*. Good effort
3:05 pm on June 8th, 2011 26
It does sound much more damaging than getting the last box of c-rats- and it’s ham and lima beans!
4:02 pm on June 8th, 2011 27
#10 USin Korea – “In short, I didn’t experience what Chickenhead writes about soldiers, but it fits in perfectly with what I saw in US education.”
If you look a little closer, you will find it in family law, all social law, the media, the workplace and down the street. It’s everywhere! Most here call it “liberalism”, which may be fitting to a small degree. The more fitting label just might be feminism. If you look closely at what changes have been made in this case and all others I previously highlighted, you will smell estrogen.
Good bye western civilizations. You had a good run and had much to be proud of.
4:03 pm on June 8th, 2011 28
Retired GI,
All that I can say is that your entitled to your opinion. However, before you call yourself “schooling” anyone, know the facts behind the situation. But hey, you being the experienced retired military person you are, should automatically know what the deal is behind who is right or wrong? Being it female or male. An NCO or Officer versus the average enlisted Joe. You see, the problem is not just the enlisted who are not “how you say” hardworking whoremongers? Its the ones who get a little position of power and abuse there authority. Maybe during that time when you said you had weak soldiers was stemmed from having leaders that lacked “leadership”. Maybe some “weak” soldiers are only following from example. Which is why the rate of suicide, divorce and RAPE is so high in the military. Lack of Leadership. You may think that females will say anything to get attention but it’s the males that DO anything to get attention but get caught. People have the audacity to get irrate because a female opened up there mouth and call out that attention getting male? Wow, how chauvanistic of you. Exactly, how does it feel to be retired, sitting at home, watching tv, knowing that your ass is being saved by the same big mouth attention seeking females in today’s army? Get back to me on that. K?
4:24 pm on June 8th, 2011 29
“People have the audacity to get irrate because a female opened up there mouth and call out that attention getting male? ”
Attempted rape isn’t seen as a method of getting attention.
4:25 pm on June 8th, 2011 30
Wow vince, everyone should be just like you huh? Your dedication to the army back then should have been what broke the mold of todays army. Sadly, it didn’t. To bad your merely a has been.
4:26 pm on June 8th, 2011 31
“He deserved what he got and pretty much, justice was served.”
It’s hard for me to imagine a person who was almost raped would feel his punishment was pretty much just.
“Sgt Martinez slept with alot of females in and outside that unit.”
Stupid for a sgt but not close to rape.
4:29 pm on June 8th, 2011 32
number 29,
Well it damn sure got someones attention to put him where he belongs in his life now did it?
4:34 pm on June 8th, 2011 33
Number 32
The word pretty much needs to be defined in that case because the whole trial was about rank not rape. So “pretty much” justice was served.
5:26 pm on June 8th, 2011 34
yvonne,
Based on what was reported, it seems Sergent Fernando Martinez got 9 months in jail and a reprimand.
After 9 months, did he return to duty with no loss of rank or pay?
5:27 pm on June 8th, 2011 35
#30
Maybe I am a “has been” as you put it- I am fine with that. We were a hard and sometimes unforgiving bunch. You are apparently a “never was”.
On your situation, and in regards to Sgt Dickoutofhispants, I blame him for being out of line in the first place with a subordinate. I blame his leadership for allowing such a climate to prevail. If he was mine, I would have hanged him. You- I don’t know enough about- so I will not judge you. But I can tell by your tone that you are a perpetual victim, which is what much of our citizenry aspires to be now. Only you can change that.
Perhaps you could take some basic English composition courses so that you might better understand concepts spelling, grammar, and syntax. Your comments are interesting, and quite telling.
5:39 pm on June 8th, 2011 36
He needed to get hammered, if for nothing else than abuse of his rank and position.
Yvonne- Thanks. I am a has been. At my age, this infers that I was something at one time or another, and I would hope that that something was a good soldier and small unit leader. I know that there were many who were far better than I, but we are all part of a pretty tight group, and I would like to think I did my part to make it what it was.
I am truly sorry that you could not serve in such a unit. Not everyone gets to. The service is often what you make it but it does indeed help if it doesn’t begin as a complete uphill run – especially if your character needed some molding and shaping and there was no one to help in that endeavor.
I would encourage you to take some English composition course to better be able to express yourself in written form. Your grammar and spelling need some work, but you have some interesting and telling comments.
Drop the victim attitude, and be the best you can be. It is up to you.
5:40 pm on June 8th, 2011 37
chickenhead,
no he is out. can’t stay in the military with that type of charge. Can’t possess a weapon, so can’t be in the military.
5:43 pm on June 8th, 2011 38
Vince,
your an idiot. don’t speak.
5:46 pm on June 8th, 2011 39
Did you understand that grammer? Vince? The problem is, your just too slow to understand. But I guess the army does that to some people.
6:01 pm on June 8th, 2011 40
” course to better be able to express yourself”
??????? What is this??????
When you sign up for English Comp, let me know okay? Maybe we can go together!
6:03 pm on June 8th, 2011 41
I can’t read your grammer. Or your grammar. Did you know that when you type words in the comment box, misspelled words are underlined in red, and you can right click on the misspelled word to get suggestions for the correct word.
Technology is amazing. So is the stupidity of angry people.
Does he still visit you in your trailer?
6:04 pm on June 8th, 2011 42
“Your an idiot”
My what?
6:18 pm on June 8th, 2011 43
I’m glad to see that your only defense is to ridicule how I talk. No, he was probably too busy visiting your wife or girlfriend. Dumbass. Grow up. You led soldiers? What kind of NCO were you? I guess the NCO Creed is a suggestion for some people.
6:33 pm on June 8th, 2011 44
yvonne,
“no he is out. can’t stay in the military with that type of charge. Can’t possess a weapon, so can’t be in the military.”
That makes sense.
Stars & Stripes is not very good at reporting a whole story so maybe they missed it… but did he get out as a sergeant?
That is the first time I ever saw a conviction as serious as this without loss of rank.
6:39 pm on June 8th, 2011 45
Yvonne:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence_Offender_Gun_Ban
Are you referring to that? Or just the idea that it’s a felony for him being
barred from possessing firearms/ammunition.
6:40 pm on June 8th, 2011 46
No, he was a PV1 before he was removed from the army. It’s a UCMJ for the adultry, which cost him his rank.
6:43 pm on June 8th, 2011 47
No- you bring enough attention on yourself. You are entertaining, though!
I would grow up, if only I knew what I wanted to be when I do grow up.
Maybe I could be your anger counselor.
6:46 pm on June 8th, 2011 48
Kangaji,
Yes. That is why he was removed from the army. You can’t be in the military with a felony. If you have a felony, you can’t have a weapon. It kind of defeats the purpose of being in the military.
6:52 pm on June 8th, 2011 49
(sigh)Vince? LMAO! Your quite the character! SGT. Thank God america has veterans like you to look up to. Why did you get out again?
6:57 pm on June 8th, 2011 50
I love this thread…. I am so fortunate I have never associated with scum like this….. Lack of morals and values results in chaos……
I love it.
7:00 pm on June 8th, 2011 51
Lemmy,
Stick around. It get’s more interesting. I love a debate though. It’s so invigorating!
7:04 pm on June 8th, 2011 52
Vince? where are you? Vince????
8:00 pm on June 8th, 2011 53
Ah, this was entertaining even if it was quite predictable. Thank you Yvonne. Many of the well educated here are unable to understand what an Army female so often really is.
Thanks for all your help.
As for how does it feel to be retired, it feels great. I remember my last year in Iraq. An aviation unit out of Fort Hood. A Staff Sergeant lost his Platoon because he and some skank were doing it in a bunker and got caught. (at least she didn’t call rape)
Then there was the female Sergeant that was doing a married Sergeant First Class. She got pissed because he wouldn’t leave his wife for her. (at least she didn’t call rape)
Then there was the female Sergeant that didn’t like to take orders and had her “leadership” scared of her. They sent her to my Guard Force. What a pain she was. I had her put out on a tower. Where no one had to listen to her.
(the above happened during a one year tour in Iraq)(just the events I know of)
So it feels great to be retired. I do feel sorry for the troops that still must put up with the females. The only thing the females are protecting is their own selves. Some are not intelligent enough to do even that.
I still travel when I wish and where I wish. Drove out to Utah in my 2007 Eclipse last month. Took my civilian version of the M-4 with me along with a couple of pistols. I and two of my ole army buddies did some shooting. One of them brought a 50 cal. That was fun!
I do my own PT now. When I wish, not when I’m told. Dead-lifted 350lbs two days ago. Not much I know but still more than any female I ever knew — in the Army.
Most females I knew in the army were barely able to left their weapon or their toolbox.
One came to me before a field exercise with a Profile for a knee problem. It stated she could not carry a 35lb ruck sack. The sad thing was I had a profile for the “surgery” done on my Knee and it was almost exactly the same. The exceptions were that I had “surgery” and was still able to carry a ruck. The female was not able to do the same as I. Go figure — Females are weak of body and in her case weak of will as well. Sadly she was the rule rather than the exception. There WERE exceptions! But most years, the rule was the rule. Not all females in the military are worhtless. Only about 80%. None of them can put up a GP medium tent or Load a mil van. So, not equal. Almost forgot Pushups, females can’t do um. Climb a rope? Nope. Spread their legs? Yes-they-can. Cry rape? Oh yes — they can.
Thanks again female.
Sometimes I forget what losers most females in the military were/are and need to be reminded. Good Job!
9:37 pm on June 8th, 2011 54
Uh… guys…
I’m a bit confused here.
While I agee that women are a distraction in the military and they should be held to the same standards as me and there are are too many cases of special treatment and there are too many cases of female-based manipulation and obvious self-serving actions that are overlooked in the fearful climate of political correctness and selective equality…
…it still doesn’t mean men can get drunk and force themselves on women.
My only information is the Stars and Stripes article… but if it is accurate, he brought this mostly upon himself.
It was not one of the clear-cut classic situations which we frequently complain about.
Now, did I miss something in this case or is everyone’s irritation with some of the untouchable military skanks being a bit misdirected?
10:27 pm on June 8th, 2011 55
Yvonne- Vince was working on his car. A hobby in my old age.
CH- I don’t think Yvonne gets it- I am in solid agreement if she was really victimized by a shytbag wearing NCO rank.
And Yvonne- the Army is doing quite well without me. I am a dinosaur. They need smarter guys than me these days. There were times toward the end when the Big Green and I did not agree on certain things, but we parted on good terms after an interesting career. I left with all my limbs, both eyes, most of my hearing, and my life, and a lot of good friends and memories. No- not all of those memories were good, but they are what they are.
Live long and prosper- and refuse to be a victim. You owe that to yourself and those around you.
11:00 pm on June 8th, 2011 56
#33 Starting to get confused…
You’re position is that he was guilty as heck. Since the crime was rape, though, saying the word needs to be “defined” and that he “got what he deserved” when he only spent a few months in jail ……That doesn’t make sense to me.
If I were the victim of a rape or darn near close to it, I’d be screaming about a 9 month sentence.
I can’t picture myself saying he got what he deserved.
I also can’t see myself saying that the word “rape” needs defining if I were the victim of it.
And since he was found guilty of all charges except actual rape but was convicted of attempted rape – and since you say that justice was served and he got what he deserved – it doesn’t make sense to me that you’d say the trial was about “rank” not “rape”.
If the trial was about “rank” not “rape”, then it sounds like you think he got off easy. But, you say justice was done.
Much of this is not making any sense…
11:00 pm on June 8th, 2011 57
Retired Gi,
Obviously you had a bad incident with a female for you to be such a sh*tbag. I hope your not married because I feel sorry for her. It’s good that your retired. The military could use one less human waste of skin like you. Your a disgrace to the uniform and to your rank.
11:13 pm on June 8th, 2011 58
Reading the full article helps…
If it were me, I wouldn’t feel that justice was served, and I would describe it as rape (if DNA was found on his c0ck and the guy’s defense is that nothing happened at all — which is what the article says).
11:13 pm on June 8th, 2011 59
#55
Well when you are in the military in front of people like retired GI here on this forum, and your rank doesn’t really count in the first place once they see who you are, who do you think they will listen to? Some enlisted person that only had a few years in? or a NCO? The military is all about perception. What is screaming and yelling gonna do? I’m suffering from what happened now enough as is. Do I feel like beating the sh*t out of him? Of Course! I have to go on living with my life though. The only way to do that is to forgive him. Not for him. For myself. Will I ever forget what he has done? Never. I have children to raise and think about though. That is what more important. As for everyone else on this forum that chooses to degrade me, I forgive you, but don’t judge me.I didn’t deserve what happened to me that night and I don’t deserve negative comments now.
11:47 pm on June 8th, 2011 60
“who do you think they will listen to? Some enlisted person that only had a few years in? or a NCO?”
A captain testifying would help, which apparently it did according to the article, and the conviction.
I could forgive him, but I’d want — demand – whether successful or not – to see the justice system give him a good bit more time in jail.
For the very reasons you mentioned — crimes like this victimize the victims for years after the attack. (Trust me, I know…)
7:31 am on June 9th, 2011 61
#57 Listen up short timer. It took 20 YEARS of instructional experience with females in uniform to develop this attitude. I know you, and those others like you. You love to play the victim. I understand that. You SHOULD love to play the victim! It WORKS. Which is more than I can say for females in uniform. That being said, I helped any Soldier (regardless of race or sex) when they needed it. That was my job. My advice was free. Even to females. You can call me a chit bag all you want, it only proves what kind of ungrateful skank you are. I served and retired with honor. You, not so much. The sad part is that the rules are bent in your favor, and you STILL can’t keep up. I saw so many like you. You and those many like you in uniform are the very reason I feel the way I do about females in uniform. You can try to deflect all you want. In the end, YOU and those like you are to blame for the way males perceive females.
On a personal note, for the past three days I have been advising the sister of a friend on why her Husband is a piece of chit and that he does not value her as a person much less a wife.
But she is not in uniform, taking advantage of the PC fear and calling rape because she regrets sleeping with some loser the next morning. So I draw a distinction. Between a woman in an unfortunate relationship and a female in uniform using the system and stupid males to get out of work.
Nothing that you have said works to make me believe that you are/were an asset to the military. On the contrary, everything you have said only confirms that you were and likely still are, part of the problem. Just another skank in uniform.
Go ahead and deflect. Bottom line is that the military is stronger without females than with them. You prove that.
Thanks for your Help in this matter.
Most of the readers here really do believe that females are helpless victims. I know you. I served with females for years. I know better.
7:47 am on June 9th, 2011 62
#61 I don’t know about the “calling rape” claim.
According to the S&S article, DNA was found on the guys dick and knuckle, but, he claimed nothing at all happened – no sexual contact of any kind – at least according to statments made by the prosecutor which is who the article quotes.
The fact the guy was found guilty would tend to lend support to the prosecution’s statement (and the S&S for only quoting him).
Barring some other testimony, I’d have to go with criminal-level guilty here……not some sham….
9:03 am on June 9th, 2011 63
#62 Never said he didn’t have sex. Of course he had sex, of some sort.
Having sex is not the same as rape USinKorea. DNA can also mean a BJ.
What I’m saying (I thought I was clear) is that females change their minds, sometimes after the fact.
S&S — what do you really expect them to say. They report what little they know. Then add the PC factor. IE: males are evil & females are victims. Females been ridding that chit since they learned that males are horny and they could use it to their advantage.
I once had the pleasure of standing in company formation one Saturday morning. While a female MP and another female victim (?) walked thru the formation looking for the guy that “raped” her that night. Black guys—brown guys—white guys. All lined up for this walk thru. She didn’t even know what RACE the guy was!! But now in the daylight she will know his FACE!!!????
Females are NOT an asset serving with males. They are a dividing force at best. Pure trouble at worst.
But people still believe their lies. Right —-. Crying rape works. The power of the “victim” label.
They are not equal. They know they are not equal. They know that YOU don’t believe they are equal. So they use it. I don’t blame them! It works! I blame the PC mindset.
If you are aware of the game, you can protect yourself. But it is not PC to warn the young and dumb of the dangers of females in uniform. It IS PC to let nature run it’s course. The she regrets her action the next morning and cries rape.
I’m not saying that all claims of rape are false. That would not be possible. But many if not most are false.
I knew a 20 something that told me that she “thought” she had been raped. I asked her to describe it. Turns out she had agreed to have sex but he started before she was “ready”. The guy was a selfish pig—but he didn’t rape her.
Go ahead USinKorea. Believe she was a victim. I’ve seen them lie to educated men and they fall for it. Why should you be any different?
Doesn’t effect me one way or the other. Happy I don’t have to be around these situations any longer.
My opinion of females was MUCH higher before I served with them.
I trust a Korean Hooker MUCH more than I do a GI female. (back then at least)
In Iraq in 2004 the Aviation females were giving haircuts to males. “Special” haircuts.
Pogi is out there. Much of it. Rape is not a practical consideration most of the time.
Females always find the “sergeant” to give it too. Now if he had been a Private, I would be more inclined to believe her. But Sergeants are in somewhat a position of power. Favor equals favor.
Females are trouble because males are horny and females use it. Sorry, but it is just that simple. If it doesn’t work with sex they will use whatever else they can to “get back at him”.
I had a Sergeant in 2ID that had a female try the race card on him. But what she didn’t know was that her white Sergeant had a black wife. (lucky for him)
Go ahead and believe her USinKorea. Go ahead. I’m not the one laughing at you. Perhaps you’re right. My money is on her laughing at you.
9:29 am on June 9th, 2011 64
Retired GI,
I feel your pain.
Relax. Not every situation is the same.
In this case, I could easily agree with you…
…but one little clue gave it away.
“Martinez, Kenna told the jury, had denied any wrongdoing, insisting he’d summoned her for a matter of official business and that there had been no physical contact — sexual or otherwise.”
Bullshyt.
If he said she had showed up to his room and let her three-hole her with a table leg, I’d side with him and require her to prove otherwise… as, based on my experience, more young military girls “experiment” while they are Queen For A Year than get raped.
On the other hand, there is no “official business” that anyone needs to be “summoned” for late at night after the boss has been drinking.
When I have seen this kind of action, it has always been a power issue… and when a female is involved, it has always been a power-with-hope-for-sex issue.
Now, I don’t know all the fact… and I am willing to change my opinion if new facts appear… but, based on what I have read here, this is a situation where the guy was wrong… and I have absolutely no indication the girl brought this on herself with her immediate actions as many (most?) others do.
If you disagree with my analysis, please clue me in where I went wrong.
Otherwise, I think we should encourage Yvonne to share the entire story in the interests of setting the record perfectly straight, giving us all some insight on how things work in this situation, and helping us understand that the girl is not always wrong.
10:03 am on June 9th, 2011 65
Retired Gi,
You can call me whatever you think fits my character. It is only making you look like I said before, ” a sh*tbag”. I’m not going to lower myself down to your level anymore with this constant battle of wits, especially when you have shown none at all. Your nothing but a bitter, old, retired, played out sh*tbag that is only recognized by veteran affairs for your time in service. Nothing more. Yeah, I’m an ungrateful skank to know that I shared the same uniform as someone as pathetic as you. Oh yeah, your someone everyone should look up to! Maybe you and vince on here should get together. You sound like you need therapy and vince wants to be a counselor when he grows up. Get a life and stop hating on females in the military. Besides, every negative thing you have said in general has only inspired me. Along with everyone else on this forum. You make me wanna apologize to vince now! your a bigger idiot than he was! Retired piece of Sh*t. Go bronze your old ass dusty medals. Don’t you have a meeting at the donut shop with all the other sh*tbag retirees that are like you? Don’t forget to wear your veteran retiree ball cap before you go.
10:48 am on June 9th, 2011 66
THE COMPANY YOU KEEP
It Is Better To Be Alone, Than In The Wrong Company
Tell me who your best friends are, and I will tell you who you are.
If you run with wolves, you will learn how to howl.
But, if you associate with eagles, you will learn how to soar to great heights.
A mirror reflects a mans face, but what he is really like is shown by the kind of friends he chooses.
The simple but true fact of life is that you become like those with whom you closely associate for the good and the bad.
The less you associate with some people, the more your life will improve.
Any time you tolerate mediocrity in others, it increases your mediocrity.
An important attribute in successful people is their impatience with negative thinking and negative acting people.
As you grow, your associates will change.
Some of your friends will not want you to go on.
They will want you to stay where they are.
Friends that don’t help you climb will want you to crawl.
Your friends will stretch your vision or choke your dream.
Those that don’t increase you will eventually decrease you.
Consider This:
Never receive counsel from unproductive people.
Never discuss your problems with someone incapable of contributing
to the solution, because those who never succeed themselves are
always first to tell you how.
Not everyone has a right to speak into your life.
You are certain to get the worst of the bargain when you exchange ideas with the wrong person.
Don’t follow anyone who’s not going anywhere.
With some people you spend an evening: with others you invest it.
Be careful where you stop to inquire for directions along the road of life.
Wise is the person who! fortifies his life with the right friendships.
11:29 am on June 9th, 2011 67
Everyone can make inferences and conjectures on this matter. But they are all based on previous experiences, not this particular incident. There are only two people who know exactly what happened that night, Yvonne and the disgraced NCO. Yvonne’s mistake may have been one of not maintaining situational awareness. The ex-sgt’s mistake was being born stupid and then attaining a position where he could prey on others. The only females in uniform I saw in my active duty years at Camp Casey were Donut Dollies, so I never had the experiences some others may have had. But I also served 9 years with a number of females in an Army Reserve medical unit-all top notch medics and nurses, and 20 years in the Coast Guard Reserve-same thing, top notch. We never had a problem with them jumping in and doing their part. I feel lucky to have served with them. But then again, different situations and personnel.
12:14 pm on June 9th, 2011 68
#65, so you’re not going to lower yourself — anymore? You clearly are not able to go any lower. You belittle all who do not believe you. You started it by posting on a two year old post. Now you can’t keep up. Big surprise there. You have never sounded like a victim here. You’re pissed because I don’t believe your chit. Sure sign that I’m correct about you. I had my chit more together as a private than you can ever hope too. Instead of defending yourself you go on the attack. Another sure sign that I’m correct about you.
As ChickenHead pointed out in #64, there is no such thing as official business to be “summoned to” late at night. Unless you’re mentally challenged even a female knows this.
Where ChickenHead gets it wrong is not in pointing out it as a power play. It was! But YOU were the one working the power play on him. That or you’re not intelligent enough to ever wear the uniform. So which is it? Either you’re STUPID or you were playing him. Those are the only options. Was it revenge? Or did your plan not work out and you had to cry rape to protect yourself.
Now you go ahead and try to divert attention from yourself. Go ahead and try to make it about my issues or Vinces issues. As you attempted to do in #65.
Your as easy for me to see thru as glass. You can fool USinKorea. You can fool ChickenHead. But you can’t fool me.
You’re just ANOTHER of those poorly educated military females that cause the rest of the females to struggle harder to prove themselves, because of your interactions with the males in leadership positions.
I know you. I have met you many times. I have cautioned my troops about you and those like you.
It isn’t all your fault. You do the only thing that has ever worked for you. Trap males in their stupidity. It is easy isn’t it! Thanks to the PC culture of America, few even bother to question your victim status. The Misandry so prevalent in American culture today makes it easy, doesn’t it.
What’s wrong “female”? Don’t understand how someone could figure this out. I know for a fact that many females in leadership positions DO in fact, figure it out.
I had a female CO in Korea that had a meeting with (only the females under her command). Only a female could even get away with doing such a thing! I inquired of one of my female friends (I have some) what it was about. She informed me that she told the females that they were not going to carry on with business as usual. That she knew what females did and how they got over on their male leadership. Quite a few females filed EO complaints on this female CO. She made mention of it when i worked for her at Battalion, years later. We had a good laugh about it. She was the exception. You—are the rule. You are what I warned my troops about. You don’t fool me.
You can fool the rest of the males here. You should enjoy that victory. By all means, keep on playin males. After all, that is all you are capable of doing.
You were never an asset to the military. Just a social experiment. One that failed.
1:27 pm on June 9th, 2011 69
lmao people who can’t succeed in real life join army. It’s better than working at the mcdonalds, you know.
1:34 pm on June 9th, 2011 70
Retired gi, again, your an idiot and clearly a waste of my time.
1:46 pm on June 9th, 2011 71
I’m glad the story got a rise out of you though retired gi. It just shows your maturity level by throwing a fit. Especially for someone of your stature. Like I said, your a bitter sh*tbag retiree that institutionalized himself to the military. Now that your out, you have no position of power like you thought you did when you were still in. So you choose to fight for that position here on this forum. You know that noone listens to you anymore so you try to gain control on a damn computer? Your pathetic. Have a nice life.
3:26 pm on June 9th, 2011 72
Yeah, but you can’t call in fast movers to drop cluster bombs and do gun runs, blow up stuff, shoot full auto weapons, parachute out of airplanes at night with 120 of your best friends and all your gear, and so on, while getting paid for it at McDonalds.
Just sayin’.
Yvonne- it must have been a real drag being in a REMF unit. I always felt bad for you guys/gals and tried to give you props- we combat arms guys couldn’t have done anything without the support you provided. I just wished that you guys really grasped that. Few did, and plenty were there just for the welfare- that’s sad. You should have been proud to have been in a unit which did something worthwhile but obviously your leadership couldn’t get that through to you- and so many of you came from the lost generations of the self-absorbed.
3:29 pm on June 9th, 2011 73
#71
That is all you have? What happened to the rape? Oh yea, I was correct.
It never happened.
3:41 pm on June 9th, 2011 74
Yvonne- You are the one who came in here and started calling people names. Now- get thee to a basic English class so you can write better. You obviously have a lot on your mind. Writing about it will help you to get things off your chest, and get rid of some of those demons which torment you.
Do it here, and you will get big boy feedback. No slack. It’s all good.
3:55 pm on June 9th, 2011 75
Retired Gi,
I doubt that you were ever in the military. The tales of your so called hero days sounds like it should be coming from someone else. Your too stupid to have that type of recognition that you claim you have left in the unit you were in. Now, the recognition that you have left on this forum? Yeah, I would believe it came from you. No self respecting high ranking officer displays himself in the manner that you have done. Your retirement, if you were in the military, was a god send for mankind. You are just one less person that anyone needs to do sh*t for. Your military career, that never happened. Your just using someone elses life because yours is pathetic. You don’t have sh*t else to do but to debate with what you call “a useless short timer”. Why don’t you go back and continue tainting the females in your family with your useless crap of information. I am pretty sure your wife or whoever, is just as f*#cked up in the head as you are.
3:58 pm on June 9th, 2011 76
74,
Vince? Is this you or your b#@tch that is talking? Go back and fix your truck because your wife puts up a better battle than you.
4:09 pm on June 9th, 2011 77
” You are the one who came in here and started calling people names”.
Vince? Or his B#@tch? Go back from to start of this forum. No one called anyone names until now. You started off by making rude judgemental comments towards me about the column and I chose to rebuttle. I just happened to be one of those type of females that will open her mouth when need be. Something that your B#@tch will never learn about because you just might got that lockdown on her a$$.
4:12 pm on June 9th, 2011 78
Retired GI,
Your a Pu$$y. Your the type that will get his a$$ kicked while your wife holds the jacket of the guy who is doing it. Loser.
4:16 pm on June 9th, 2011 79
Oh and vince? I labeled your wife as such because that is how she chose to represent herself towards me. Am I a bitch? I sure the hell am! Sometimes when it comes to certain individuals, being a bitch is all a woman has to hold on to.
4:25 pm on June 9th, 2011 80
My last post was aimed at #11.
What a bunch of a$$ clowns. No pride. No hardness. No clue.
“Just in case your wondering when you started talking out the wrong end.”
4:27 pm on June 9th, 2011 81
#63, I didn’t read past this comment and will leave the thread after this.
I think a key is that the accused claimed nothing happened whatsoever. He didn’t claim consensual sex. The DNA tends to prove him a liar.
I also give a military jury more credit than being a bunch of rubber-stampers.
From what little I know from the info provided, it looks to me like the guy was guilty of a sexual attack.
I have no significant reason to believe he was falsely convicted by the jury members who heard all the evidence presented in court…
4:29 pm on June 9th, 2011 82
“Am I a bitch? I sure the hell am! ”
I guess it is nice to be proud of something….(It’s probably pretty much all a person who’ll say that’s got…)
4:55 pm on June 9th, 2011 83
Oh wow retired GI!
I found an article about you!
Fake Soldier Tricked Army: AP
Published : Friday, 21 May 2010, 9:55 AM CDT
By DANNY ROBBINS | Associated Press Writer
FORT WORTH, Texas – A Texas man with no military experience tricked the Army into letting him enter a reserve unit as a noncommissioned officer earlier this year, a deception that placed an untrained soldier in a leadership position in a time of war, an Associated Press investigation has found.
The revelation comes just months after the Army drew criticism for failing to flag the suspicious activities of the Army psychiatrist now charged with killing 13 and wounding dozens of others at Fort Hood.
The case, detailed in court records and other documents examined by the AP, raises more questions about the Army’s ability to vet soldiers’ backgrounds as it faces continued pressure from Congress over its screening and records system. While the soldier never deployed overseas, some say the case demonstrates how easily someone could pose as a member of the U.S. military.
Jesse Bernard Johnston III, 26, joined the Army Reserve in February as a sergeant and was assigned to the Corps Support Airplane Company based at the Fort Worth Naval Air Station. But he wasn’t qualified to hold that rank, according to military records obtained by the AP. The records show that Johnston’s only military experience was attending part of a 12-week Marine officer candidate course for college students in 2004.
Maj. Shawn Haney, spokeswoman for Marine Manpower and Reserve Affairs, said Johnston didn’t complete the course’s final six weeks. “He was never considered a Marine,” she said.
The matter, currently under investigation by the Army, means a soldier received a security clearance and was in position to lead troops in combat even though he hadn’t gone through basic training or spent any time in the service. The Corps Support Airplane Company has been deployed in Iraq, providing pilots as well as intelligence and support personnel for an aviation battalion set up to destroy improvised explosive devices.
If it’s proven that Johnston gained his Army rank based on a phony Marine record, it would be the first documented case of so-called “stolen valor” in which the military was duped during the enlistment process, according to watchdogs of such fraud. Most cases involve attempts to get veterans’ benefits or other forms of financial gain. Congress attempted to crack down on military impostors in 2005 by passing a law that makes it a crime to claim false decorations or medals.
“This just raises some incredibly significant issues at a time when this country is involved in a global war on terror,” said Rep. Mike Coffman, a Colorado Republican who served with the Marines in Iraq and the first Gulf War. “If this person was able to penetrate the military fraudulently, you have to ask the question: Couldn’t somebody who was out to do harm to our country do the same thing?”
Coffman is pushing for the creation of a single database for all military records as a step toward eliminating fraud.
Army officials, citing an ongoing investigation, declined to provide details of Johnston’s enlistment or say whether he’s suspected of providing false documents or using some other means to make himself out to be an ex-Marine.
Questions about Johnston were raised by an officer who grew concerned when Johnston couldn’t satisfactorily explain how he got certain Marine medals and ribbons that he displayed. The officer, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation, said he contacted Marine and Army legal authorities and learned from the Marines that Johnston never served.
Lt. Col. Maria Quon, spokeswoman for the Army’s Human Resources Command, said her database contains an entry showing Johnston joined the military in 2002, but there are no documents to support the 2002 date. She described the lack of documentation as unusual and said it likely means the date was entered this year. The National Personnel Records Center, which collects information on all who have been discharged from the military, informed the AP that it could find no evidence that Johnston ever served.
Since March, Johnston has been stationed at Fort Rucker in Alabama, the primary training base for Army aviation. The Army declined to provide details of Johnston’s assignment. Johnston did not respond to phone and e-mail messages seeking comment.
In a recent court proceeding, Johnston’s former wife, also an Army reservist, accused him of using falsified documents to make it appear he’d served in the Marines. Melanie Rolfing, 24, made the claim in a sworn statement filed last month in Fort Worth family court when she had her two-year marriage annulled, alleging fraud. Johnston did not contest the annulment.
5:19 pm on June 9th, 2011 84
Your as easy for me to see thru as glass. You can fool USinKorea. You can fool ChickenHead. But you can’t fool me.
Retired GI, Do you really think I give a flying F#@k about who I need to justify myself to? For those who had nothing but negative comments, which have been mostly males, I pretty much proved my point on how defensive a male can be when someone decides to pull there coat tail. Especially when it comes to males like you and vince that thinks and speaks from there little head. I think you two are threatened by a female. If females are that bad in your eyes retired gi, why the hell are you married? Oh wait a min, should I question the “don’t ask, don’t tell” scenario where your concerned? Surely there is some kind of underlying motive behind your hatred of females. Maybe I should question your “military career” and how you got ahead? Or should I say, ” A head”. That’s how things are done in the military. Right? Retired GI?
7:31 pm on June 9th, 2011 85
Let it out, Yvonne. Get it off your chest. Come back in a few weeks, months, years and read this. You will have a different perspective.
It’s all good. You don’t have to justify yourself to anyone- except yourself.
And yes, anyone who would act like the NCO in question in your unit did has no pride, no class, no hardness- and is an a$$clown. That you never had any pride and have little dignity isn’t completely your fault. But you can do something about it- in whatever endeavor you choose, be it soldiering, accounting, being a Mom, whatever.
8:14 pm on June 9th, 2011 86
Why is it that other people that is outside of the circle of the situation, all of a sudden decides to become a therapist and have the answer to what they assume is going on with that person? Why do I have to be defined as angry just because I chose to rebuttle against ignorant people? I guess that’s the price I pay for not behaving how everyone else wants me to behave. I guess if I were to be as ignorant as some of the people on this forum, the world would be a better place???? I guess if I were to react to what happened that night, like how some of the males on this forum prefers, would put me in the category of being dignified and prideful??? No, I’m known as the short timer, low class skank because I chose to fight for what was taken from me that night. Pride and dignity. It really puts my perspective of how some males feel when topics of “Rape or sexual assault” come into play. One person gets blamed and stereotyped for being a attention seeking female because of what other females may have done out of spite? I’m not here to apologize for those other women that have done that. I’m not here to force anyone on here to look at me in a different light or show favortism. I agree vince, only I will know and Sgt martinez will know what happened. The rest of you can continue making bad judgements about me from what you read in this article and continue assuming. I’m sure you all know what assuming does. I excuse and forgive those individuals on here that made rude comments. It’s only natural and expected from you. Perception plays a big part in the military and I forgot that is all your use to. Especially when you have institutionalized yourself to the military for so long. Continue on allowing the military make slaves out of you. Retired GI and Vince, your in my prayers.
9:03 pm on June 9th, 2011 87
Did I call you a skank? No- I criticized you because of your poor grammar and spelling- and your angry outbursts. The former you can fix with study and practice. The latter- you will have to change you, and that will take time. It isn’t wrong to be angry, especially if you were personally involved and perhaps a victim. You have to seize that dignity back, and you aren’t going to succeed in that by calling people names, although lashing out like this is highly indicative of someone who is suffering and has suffered some serious trauma- like I said, get it off your chest. It’s anonymous enough of a place where you can get away with it, and like I said, here, big boy (and girl) rules apply- you’ll get some push back, but you too can push back. It’s all good, you get some real anger and issues off your chest, articulate some of those feelings into words. Again, come back in a while, and I think you’ll see that some of your anger will have faded, and some of the words you used will make you wince. But it doesn’t change the fact that you felt your trust was violated- that is one hell of an indignity to suffer.
I understand where Retired GI is coming from, because in our institution’s mad rush to bring equality and all that great stuff to our ranks, we often tossed the baby out with the bathwater, and called all kinds of things something they really weren’t to bend with the political winds. Some nasty and manipulative people exploited that which was effected by people with good intentions to their own selfish ends, and it inflicted a lot of real wounds which were as bad as the wounds these programs were intended to prevent and heal.
The service gets people from all walks of life and often does amazing things in putting these people together and getting some pretty impressive results. But not always; those entrusted with molding and shaping this human “raw material” don’t always do a complete job- nor does the “raw material” do their part in this transformation.
Hang in there. And do come back. Heal. Seize that dignity which is yours and never ever let anyone take it from you. No one can unless you allow it! When you revert to insults to people who don’t know you but are commenting on the discussion that is, unfortunately, something which takes much away from your dignity. You can obviously do better. Learning to write about it will help you really nail down all of this and exorcise some demons.
Oh- I was never a slave. I carried on with all of this because I wanted to. I was lucky that I had good leaders early on, and that got me through the crappy times with crappy leaders.
Contact me if you want me to be your Grammar Camp Coach!
9:29 pm on June 9th, 2011 88
Yvonne,
You are doing yourself no favors here with your attitude.
In fact, you are coming off as just the type of military woman that makes guys in the military hate military women… and disrespect military women… and think of military women as nothing but sexually-abusable objects who deserve a good hate-funking.
Reasonable people who give you the benefit of the doubt might even shift their attitude toward one that believes you got what was coming.
Unless you are just a bitter and argumentative cuunt, there is no gain for you in all this trash talking. Questing these guy’s careers or manhood will just get you laughed at by readers who well know that guys are generally better soldiers than women.
If you want to “win” and get them to shut the funk up, your tactic should be to drop all the smack talking and keep the topic focused on the events in question.
Explain exactly what happened that night and exactly what happened in court. Answer skeptical questioning with honest explanations. If you were in the right, as you claim, you will have no problem doing this. Even if you were a little bit wrong, clear and honest writing that accepts responsibility for any small mistakes will get great support and sympathy.
With this action, you will reenforce your supporters and you will destroy your detractors.
As of now, you are alienating your support and fueling the idea that whatever he did to you was justified… and maybe not enough… as you are still alive and yapping hatefully.
Please reconsider your method of dealing with this situation… which could help or harm your reputation as well as other military women in the future.
4:39 am on June 10th, 2011 89
Allow me to just list my responses to their respective comments. Since you were unable to put it all into one.
#75 Distraction
#76 Hateful bi*ch comment to another female
#77 ignorant rant and misdirection
#78 pure hate (did you do this to convict that guy)
#79 yes you are. (just the type that will lie and say anything)
#80 you start at the beginning each day?
#81 USinKorea, your blind faith in a Politically Correct legal system is — sad.
#82 true
#83 Attempt to Slander (did you do that at the trial?) I believe you are just that type of person.
#84 of course you give a fu*k about justifying yourself. People are starting to see thru your lies. This thread is two years old. You couldn’t let it go. You need more attention. An innocent person, wrongly done, would not revisit it. You did. Like most criminals, you had to revisit your crime.
#85 Yeah, that person was a clown. But he wasn’t an attempted rapist. She lied at trail. Just as she does here. Read back over her comments. Would you believe anything she said at trial now?
#86 and there it is! After all the hate you have spewed at Vince, his wife and myself. Now we are in your Prayers? Sounds like another curse coming from a lying, Manipulative Bi*ch. (you said you are one)
#87 Vince, you want to help her? I bet her NCO did also and look what happened to him. Be careful. She will say you attempted to rape her also.
Don’t worry Yvonne. You have much success here.
USinKorea believes the military court without reservation.
Vince wants to “help” you.
But you can’t get me to believe you. I know what a lying, manipulative bi*ch you really are. Seen way too many military females just like you. You were never an asset to the military. You’re a Taker. It is all about you. Like so many females that join, you need attention. Nothing like a rape trial to give you all the attention you wanted. Poor helpless little victim. Right? But it wasn’t enough was it. You had to come here two years later for more attention. You’re not a victim Yvonne. Only a manipulative, uneducated little skank that will lie and say anything, no matter who it hurts, to get the attention you so desperately need.
I suppose you will have five or six entries tomorrow for me to respond too. I know you enjoy the attention.
6:03 am on June 10th, 2011 90
Yvonne, ditto what Chickenhead said. Don’t let yourself get baited into self defeating arguments that defocuses the entire issue. Make your case on the incident and resulting consequences and let others rant about your gender.
12:55 pm on June 10th, 2011 91
Retired GI cmt 89. the only error you made in that post was
spelling the the word “trial” wrong. Other wise right on
Brother.
1:38 pm on June 10th, 2011 92
LMAO! You all take care.
2:46 pm on June 10th, 2011 93
This comment is directed towards Retired GI,
I read your statements that were directed towards Yvonne and I can honestly say that you are an embarressment to all fellow Army Veterans. I too, served 20 years with honors. My last unit was CAV. You claim that you left your unit with soldiers that had respect for you? You claim that you served with dignity and respect? For who? Certainly not for yourself. I wish you were in my unit back when I served. The kind of help that you offered those soldiers is what I call Mutiny my friend. If anyone that needs the most help is you. Believe me, you would be the last person that I would trust my life with if we ever served together downrange.
3:16 pm on June 10th, 2011 94
lmao this is funny as hell!
9:28 pm on June 10th, 2011 95
#93
I suffer severe damage that a CAV Retiree thinks I’m an embarrassment. Well, not really. ( I served in the CAV during Bosnia and Iraq ) I know how PC the cav is.
So I’m not the least bit surprised.
Let me correct the record — since you lack “attention to detail”.
I never said any one had respect for me. You said that. Maybe they did and maybe they didn’t. I believe that most of them had a case of the asss with me. I upheld the standards set forth by the unit leadership. I know for a FACT that I pissed off a few of them! So, did they respect me? Don’t know. I never asked. Don’t care if they did or not. I did my duty as set forth my the command.
I also never claimed that I “served with dignity and respect”. You said that. Not me. What I did was my job. I definitely showed no dignity nor respect when I found my guards sleeping on duty!
However I did show proper respect to the officer’s Uniforms. Respect for the individual must be earned. If not it means nothing!
You have no idea what my jobs were. You have no idea what positions I held and where. But you feel safe in saying that these unknowns were “Mutiny”? Yvonne it’s the Army, not the Navy.
FEAR NOT! I would not have someone that would make such a statement as a “friend”.
I like my friends to know what they speak of.
I DID however state that I served with “honor”. (you need training in paying attention to detail) Oh and —- it is “documented”.
I can’t say about you, because I just don’t know, but I have been “down range”. I have called in Uh 60s when my guard towers were under attack. I have driven out to said towers because my Soldiers where taking fire. I have fired my weapon with the intent of killing. I have seen enemy vehicles burning because of my actions. I have had the command calling on the Sincgars asking me for a setrep. I have also seen the wounded.
So you will just have to excuse me when I say that I, “don’t give a rat’s ass what you say NOW about trusting me with your life”. There are those that would disagree with you.
Now if you want to make a “personal” judgement about me, you should first get your facts straight. (that nasty attention to detail thing)
If you say you never had the displeasure of meeting a “self serving and manipulative skank” in an army uniform, I will boldly state that you are either a lier or your wife forced you to write that.
It is more likely you ARE a female. In fact, you sound like Yvonne.
She can’t pay attention to detail EITHER.
You surely do NOT sound like a man that served 20. But then again, perhaps you are an officer. You guys never know what’s going on in your units.
Now before you misquote me YET again. Go back and read. Pay attention to detail this time. Start at the beginning Yvonne.
9:31 pm on June 10th, 2011 96
Orbit, I know I’m having a great time!
10:28 pm on June 10th, 2011 97
Cav Retiree,
Please, don’t bother or even give him the pleasure by responding. As bad as he makes females out to be, he sounds just like one of them. While on the rag.
11:09 pm on June 10th, 2011 98
Hmmm…
The effectiveness of a sock isn’t as high when one forgets to change the name and winds up addressing oneself.
3:14 am on June 11th, 2011 99
…and the HITS just keep on comin’!
5:18 am on June 11th, 2011 100
@95 – CAV Retiree is Yvonne playing as a sock puppet. Instead of following Chickenhead’s advice by laying out the facts for people to make their opinions from she instead has even further shot herself in the foot by resorting to a sock puppet.
6:06 am on June 11th, 2011 101
Not exactly the kind of writing I was hoping she would do.
Some people’s kids…
9:59 am on June 11th, 2011 102
To anyone who may still care about this.
Yvonne is the *bottom* of the barrel when it comes to Skanks wearing the military uniform. She plays the victim much better in person than here, I am quite sure. Tears and everything. She is a user of men.
She plays on the Political correctness being shoved down the throats of Americans and the Military specifically.
Along with the Misandry that is so prevalent in the American Culture today.
Females are always victims and males are always the users of them is, quite frankly a HUGE LOAD OF CRAP.
The military bends over backward for females. I speak from living it for 20 frigging years.
I have seen men lose their careers because of self serving, manipulative females.
Number one, the guy involved with this Yvonne was less than professional. Why? He ALLOWED himself to be trapped by her. I don’t know what her goal was. But I do know this. She didn’t give a rat’s ass what happened to him, as long as it served her purpose.
USinKorea believes the Military court could not possibly make a mistake. With due respect, that is a foolish way to think.
The military court MUST satisfy the prevailing “wisdom” of the current political climate. Which is one that the female is right and must be protected. (obviously she isn’t “equal”) If she were, she wouldn’t need so much “protection”.
I will not get into the physical fitness standards needing to be lowered Or the Mental Tension they cause by them being in the work place
Why the tension? They get the same pay while not being able to do the same work. Does that happen anywhere else? I think not.
On a personal note: I truly enjoyed teaching them to drive big trucks! “but Sergeant, I can’t drive up THAT hill!” My response was always: “You’re right you can’t but the truck can, so drive up the hill!” They were always so happy they had accomplished it that they wanted to do it again. I let em.
But there were always the Yvonne’s around. You had to keep your eye out for them.
Because NO ONE WILL BELIEVE THE MALE WHEN A FEMALE CRYS AND BLUBERS “HE RAPED ME”.
Not even a Military Court. It is easier to convect the fool than bring more visibility to the situation. The Military hates visibility, and with good reason.
I forget the ship’s name, but here is something for those interested to look up on google.
The ship that carried the nuke that was dropped on japan. When it was returning to Pearl it was sank by a Japanese (who else right) sub. The captain was Court Martialed. They even had the enemy sub commander as a witness for the prosecution.
The Captain was convicted. A few years later he put a pistol in his mouth.
Years later the Navy admitted they had made a mistake.
You watch your back in this Military. We are not of one mind. That chit that we used to leave at the gate for the civilians to worry about — it has invaded the military. Too many “special interest groups” dividing us. Too much Political Correctness interfering with the mission.
Too much misandry in the culture. It has invaded the military as well.
2:34 pm on June 11th, 2011 103
Retired GI 102, that ship was the USS
Indianapolis. The skipper was Charles Butler McVay III. The commander of Japanese submarine I-58, Hashimoto Mochitsura, testified in McVay’s favor. The accusation was that McVay failed to zigzag, but Hashimoto said zigzagging would have made no difference.
After the court-marshal, Fleet Admiral Nimitz remitted McVay’s sentence. On retirement, McVay was promoted to rear admiral. He killed himself in 1968, possibly beset by issues beyond the loss of the Indianapolis. In October 2000, the US Congress passed a resolution exonerating him. President Bill Clinton signed that resolution.
2:39 pm on June 11th, 2011 104
I just entered a friendly comment expanding on a subject broached by Retired GI 102. My comment, Glans 102, is visible here, but not in Recent Comments.
1:00 am on June 12th, 2011 105
Hmmm…
“LMAO! You all take care.”
Those sound like final words from Yvonne. That’s too bad. She had a chance to prove that women sometimes really are a victim in the military and their accusations should be taken seriously. Instead, she reinforced the opposite stereotype.
So, I may have been wrong here.
Based on the findings of the court and the reporting of Stars & Stripes, I very much believed this was not a typical case of a guy getting tricked, set-up, lied about, falsely accused, etc.
But after Yvonne wrote a couple pages of bitter-yet-pointless hating, I am starting to think differently.
When people are right, and they know they are right, they are eager to explain themselves… especially in the face of unfounded criticism. They can answer direct questions, they can clearly define situations and motivations, and they can counter all levels of hostile accusations… and, more importantly, they go out of their way to do this in the face of doubt.
Yvonne displayed all of the characteristics of someone who did the wrong thing and KNOWS in their heart they did the wrong thing.
She attacked people rather than issues. She made vague references to the events in question. She pushed focus and blame on non-related aspects. And, she came off as completely unsympathetic… not a victim… but an instigator.
She came off exactly like a woman who lied to accomplish a short-term goal… and found that it worked… but it had bad long-term consequences for her which she is still bitter and angry about… but can’t address them openly because it destroys the myth that she did the right thing to begin with… and she knows she it to blame for this… but she can’t blame herself. This pattern has been seen over and over.
We all know too well that military courts will go through with questionable cases in the interests of politics… and we know that “evidence” is sometimes suppressed, shaded, or even manufactured to support predetermined outcomes… and we know that Stars & Stripes will report whatever “facts” they are given when they support the Official Story and never looks deeper than the surface… even with glaring irregularities.
So. I am starting to have good reason for changing my opinion. I hope I am not wrong… but that hope is fading.
This whole sock puppet episode is pretty much a final nail in the coffin.
Yvonne, I hope you will kindly reply with a reasonable response. I hope you will drop all of the pointless hate and explain to everybody what happened in your situation and why… and the reasons you think justice was or was not served.
Otherwise you have really set back advances in victim’s rights for women in the military… and there will be a tiny bit less pity and more difficulty for women who truly need sympathy and assistance.
5:07 am on June 12th, 2011 106
You should be careful if you respond to ChickenHead, Yvonne. He is the type that will pull apart any story. But on second thought, answer him. I already know that you are an uneducated, manipulative skank who somehow was able to enlist. Males have always felt “protective” of you. You use that because it works. But that is face to face.
As long as you don’t address *me*, I will not respond to anything you submit. I’ll set back and let ChickenHead pull you apart. But if you bring me into it, you know I’ll shoot you down. So don’t bring me in.
Come on back Yvonne. ChickenHead still has hope for you — unlike myself.
I know you are a disgrace to all females in uniform and even those outside of it.
ChickenHead is a civilian. You should be able to play him easy Yvonne. Come back!
Come back! Come back You manipulative skank. Liar. Betrayer. Come back!
9:06 am on June 12th, 2011 107
…and that is why I never even gave a second thought to dating any chick in the military while I was in, you can feel the nastiness in the air (especially Army females, Air Force not so much) as you enter the room. There are so many women outside the military just waiting to be knocked up lol
1:58 pm on June 28th, 2011 108
@yvone i wish i would of told you sooner but all the witnesses were bribed or forced to testify i didnt say anything cus i didnt want to have to stay or get in trouble his defender cpt jonas bribed people with lots of things and cpt torres got the whole group of witnesses and pretty much made you to be the enemy.. you didnt have a chance at first.. they turned the entire battalion against you and you were the only females rapes the 3 others that were found to be assulted by him were sent away.as stated un the above comments He was indeed in drugs and sleeping with lots of pvts. including he had one living with him in Texas.. at leat you got justice.. they rest were just sent away i dont know what happend to them exactly.. im very sorry i couldnt help its been so long i dont remember everything but i do remember you got the shit end of the stick.. but consider your self lucky
2:02 pm on June 28th, 2011 109
All of you should grow up and be ashamed if you were not there dont say nothing. i bet you guys didnt know she was sent to the emergency room because of him.
2:50 pm on June 28th, 2011 110
Did she have the multiple personalities before or after all of this?
Why would leaders bribe a group of their people, and with what?
I’ll watch for this on Jerry Springer.
4:42 pm on June 28th, 2011 111
“i didnt say anything cus i didnt want to have to stay or get in trouble”
Says a good bit about you…
6:54 pm on June 28th, 2011 112
If the MPs had to use “Nonya’s” witness statement, how did they translate it?
English, mother f u cker- do you SPEAK it?
8:49 pm on June 28th, 2011 113
Retired GI is a gasbag. He thinks like his opion matters on every blog post in this pathetic forum. So many self opioniated idiots here that cry like babies when anyone disagrees with them. I come to read this forum to see what idiotic opinions Retired GI has. It is makes for some good humor reading.
1:05 am on June 29th, 2011 114
#113
More sock puppetry from Yvonne??
To sum it up, I think Retired GI’s assessment is accurate.
3:26 am on June 29th, 2011 115
It is makes for some good humor reading.
Yeah- sometimes truth is not only stranger than fiction, it’s funnier, too!
I can see you still need some help with basic written English. Nice try, sock puppet.
“English, mother f u cker- do you SPEAK it?”
3:39 am on June 29th, 2011 116
Somebody’s posting under different names from the same IP. Vince and umustbjoking in this thread.
6:36 am on June 29th, 2011 117
USinKorea
Check my IP now compared to my last post- different physical location.
6:38 am on June 29th, 2011 118
A little late ain’t it? You’re already busted.
6:42 am on June 29th, 2011 119
Unless it’s coming from a work IP– or someone else was on my machine- like a sys ad.
6:46 am on June 29th, 2011 120
Not to mention- Retired GI is pretty much nailing it in this particular thread.
8:17 am on June 29th, 2011 121
I was checking #113 to see if anything was up – by plugging in the IP listed for it in the comment search engine feature, and according to it, that IP has in the past been posting under a few different names – the most recent being Vince in this thread including #112.
I’m not a techie – which is why I explain how I do a search. Others might know an explanation for the results other other than a single person posting under multiple names.
I went back and plugged the current IP shown for #119, which was different than the Vince for #112, into IP Tracker, and it came up in Korea. Plugged in #113 (#112) and it appeared to be a military IP out of the US. Neither IP appeared to be a proxy.
2:04 pm on June 29th, 2011 122
Beats me- could it be a systems admin from a network?
4:59 pm on June 29th, 2011 123
113 and 112 both came from the USFK LAN- I know– I am on it now- being it’s Sergeant’s Time and all.