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ROK Drop Weekly Linklets – June 28, 2009

The Koreas



  • gerry
    1:23 pm on June 28th, 2009 1

    "Clueless about the Korean war"

    "Moreover, 51 percent did not know that the war started with North Korea's invasion of the South. About 14 percent picked Japan as the nation responsible for the war; 13.4 percent, the United States, and 11 percent Russia. About 2 percent even said it was the South invading the North."

    Methinks the history teachers are somewhat far to the left, as encouraged by the last 12 years of "sunshine policy". Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we practice to decieve.

  • gerry
    1:44 pm on June 28th, 2009 2

    "What would a second Korean war look like?"

    Very violent and short lived. Opening scenerio thousands dieing in massive artillory fire and troops at the front fighting for there lives. Followed by a steady but determined destruction of the Norths military capability. And a major South Korean push to the North with US airpower, resupply and reconnisance. China would be left on the side lines as long as the US did not commit ground troops in the north.

    Major battles over in the first three-six weeks, pursuit, cleanup of insurgents, and occupation of the north, to continue for four more months or less.

    New government installed after three months. Borders remain closed by both China and South Korea.

    Massive food aid begins as well as roundup of North Korean leadership.

    United Nations condemns South Korea, and US, for overreaction to invasion from the North. Iran states the CIA and Jews were responsible for the war. Most middle eastern countries agree.

  • ChickenHead
    3:31 pm on June 28th, 2009 3

    "Anyone have any tips about scuba diving in Korea?"

    Don't haul balls to the wall back to shore in a black Zodiac after the sun has set behind the mountains… when it is technically (and legally) still day… but everything is in shadow.

    Well… you can do it… but you might have a truck screech to a halt and a bunch of guys with rifles jump out and take cover while pointing them at you…

    …at which point you will reduce speed, put your hands in the air and slowly come to shore while yelling, "No kill! Canadian teacher, Canadian teacher!"

    No. We didn't do that. We just pulled up to the dock and smiled and waved.

    The guy in charge swaggered up with a dark cloud of a frown but was much relieved I could speak polite Korean to him.

    I explained it was the last dive of the day and now the drinking and BBQ would start and he was invited. That got a smile.

    He yelled at the boys and, as rapidly as they came, they all double-timed it back into the truck and were gone.

    Better diving advice might be this:

    1. As a rule, don't dive with Koreans. In large groups, they are hearded cats kicking up sediment and each other. In small groups, they are dangerous… too-deep show-offs, rapid ascent, no safety stops, always low on air, etc. If you must, bring a foreign buddy and conduct your dive safely… even if it means being lost on the surface because you waited 3 minutes at 5 meters… and, please, bring a 2 meter orange balloon so the boat will pick you up first and you can assist for the next hour in finding the other divers in all-black tech-rec equipment amid the swells filled with similar-looking flotsom and jetsem.

    2. Korea loses at least one 100 meter ship a month and numerous fishing boats. The best dives I have ever done have been on ships that have gone down just a few days before and haven't been salvaged or swamped with nets.

    Fishing boats ride out storms next to small islands where they sometimes hit the rocks and sink in reasonably shallow water. Locals know where and a fishing boat can always be rented to take you there. This is probably "illegal" but the boat captain won't take you if it is a problem.

    Large ships transmit GPS coordinates as they sink so you can go directly to them. I'm not sure how to get the GPS info… it is probably public record of some sort accessible on the Internet. I get it from a friend who works in the industry. I don't know about the South and East Seas as they are deep… but West Sea wrecks are frequently 20 to 30 meters (the bridge, not the bottom).

    When you arrive at the location, do a search pattern until you see big blobs of oil floating to the top. Follow the oil down, tie a line, extra tank and balloon on the ship (for safe ascent as you will probably go into deco 'cause it's just that cool).

    As weeks go by, the ship becomes more and more dangerous as it will start collecting drifting nets.

    Go at SLACK TIDE! West sea currents are unbelievable and you want to time your dive with slack tide… low tide give you more time on the wreck… high tide has theoretically clearer water.

    Due to low vis, don't expect to see the whole ship laid out like the Titanic… in fact, you should probably study the type of ship on the Internet first so you have a clue where you are when you find it and you know which way to the bridge.

    Sometimes the South Sea has excellent vis and you can see an entire fishing boat.

    3. Speaking of nets, ALWAYS CARRY SCISSORS! A knife looks cooler… but I have been caught up in nets several times… and I always carry stainless paramedic scissors which are quick and easy to use and will cut through anything. They are dummy corded to my BCD. Yours should be, too.

    4. I pay 8,000won for a tank. At that price, it isn't worth using my compressor. If you have your own equipment (check E-bay) shore diving is cheaper than drinking… and the chance of meeting a bored country girl is pretty good if you are in the right fishing village.

    Find a yeogwon by the sea with some kind of pier/boat ramp/harbor nearby and make friends with the owner (via a bottle of whiskey). He will help you do whatever you need (boat, legal advice, a couple of girls to drink with).

    …hmmm. I think I could write a book on this. How about this… If anybody is interested, ask some specific questions and I'll answer them.

    This summer is going to be great because I will be doing a lot of rebreather diving. I have been building oxygen and semi-closed rebreathers for almost a decade… but I just got a CCR2000 trimix rebreather… ready to go for at least 150 meters… although chances are I will never use it more than 30 meters ('cause I'm scared).

  • Teadrinker
    9:27 pm on June 28th, 2009 4

    Second Korean War? Don't you mean a third?

  • John Byrnes
    7:27 am on July 4th, 2009 5

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