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	<title>Comments on: PBS&#8217;s Crossing Heaven&#8217;s Border is Released</title>
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		<title>By: Spelunker</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2009/07/14/pbss-crossing-heavens-border-is-released/comment-page-1/#comment-351933</link>
		<dc:creator>Spelunker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for your reply, Guitard.  That is truly amazing and my brain still has a hard time understanding the effects of brainwashing on North Koreans.  Freedom sounds like such a natural choice. 
I wonder what would be the results if a different strategy was employed.  What if defectors were told that KIS is good and KJI is bad?  What if they were told the truth about Kim Il-sung&#039;s death, a plot in which Jong-il had a hand in according to one document that I recently read.   
If the brainwashed North Koreans were to beleive that KIS was good and KJI is evil, then maybe an underground channel could start the grapevine that would ultimately turn into a noose around KJI&#039;s neck. 
Perhaps the middle son could then take over as the people&#039;s choice. 
I&#039;m still angry at the South Korean reporters in this video for not even attempting to intervene. 
I also wonder how those who choose to &quot;freely return to North Korea&quot; do so.  If caught at the border by North Korean guards then wouldn&#039; they be sent to prison even though they were coming back? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for your reply, Guitard.  That is truly amazing and my brain still has a hard time understanding the effects of brainwashing on North Koreans.  Freedom sounds like such a natural choice.</p>
<p>I wonder what would be the results if a different strategy was employed.  What if defectors were told that KIS is good and KJI is bad?  What if they were told the truth about Kim Il-sung&#039;s death, a plot in which Jong-il had a hand in according to one document that I recently read.  </p>
<p>If the brainwashed North Koreans were to beleive that KIS was good and KJI is evil, then maybe an underground channel could start the grapevine that would ultimately turn into a noose around KJI&#039;s neck.</p>
<p>Perhaps the middle son could then take over as the people&#039;s choice.</p>
<p>I&#039;m still angry at the South Korean reporters in this video for not even attempting to intervene.</p>
<p>I also wonder how those who choose to &quot;freely return to North Korea&quot; do so.  If caught at the border by North Korean guards then wouldn&#039; they be sent to prison even though they were coming back?</p>
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		<title>By: guitard</title>
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		<dc:creator>guitard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A surprisingly high percentage (something like 50%) of those who are able to cross the river and get out - freely return to North Korea. 
 
There are several reasons, one of the most powerful of which is that they have family there. 
 
The other big one is more difficult for someone raised in a free society to understand: the power of brainwashing.  They have never known anything else, so even when they are shown what should be overwhelmingly convincing evidence that contradicts what they&#039;ve been told all their lives - they won&#039;t allow themselves to believe it.  AND...even after they&#039;ve accepted the truth...it&#039;s still hard for them. 
 
I have spoke with many North Korean defectors.  I remember asking one (who had been in South Korea for several months by this point) - &quot;So what do you think of KIS and KJI now that you&#039;ve had a chance to learn the truth about them?&quot; 
 
He said conceptually, he understood that it was all a lie...but he just couldn&#039;t get himself to think disparagingly about KIS and KJI.  He said, &quot;Even though I know the truth...it still hurts when I hear people say bad things about them.&quot; 
 
And this was a guy who had lost several family members to starvation and his older brother died in a gulag. 
 
The brainwashing they receive is extremely powerful and effective...I can&#039;t think of any other way to describe it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A surprisingly high percentage (something like 50%) of those who are able to cross the river and get out &#8211; freely return to North Korea.</p>
<p>There are several reasons, one of the most powerful of which is that they have family there.</p>
<p>The other big one is more difficult for someone raised in a free society to understand: the power of brainwashing.  They have never known anything else, so even when they are shown what should be overwhelmingly convincing evidence that contradicts what they&#039;ve been told all their lives &#8211; they won&#039;t allow themselves to believe it.  AND&#8230;even after they&#039;ve accepted the truth&#8230;it&#039;s still hard for them.</p>
<p>I have spoke with many North Korean defectors.  I remember asking one (who had been in South Korea for several months by this point) &#8211; &quot;So what do you think of KIS and KJI now that you&#039;ve had a chance to learn the truth about them?&quot;</p>
<p>He said conceptually, he understood that it was all a lie&#8230;but he just couldn&#039;t get himself to think disparagingly about KIS and KJI.  He said, &quot;Even though I know the truth&#8230;it still hurts when I hear people say bad things about them.&quot;</p>
<p>And this was a guy who had lost several family members to starvation and his older brother died in a gulag.</p>
<p>The brainwashing they receive is extremely powerful and effective&#8230;I can&#039;t think of any other way to describe it.</p>
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		<title>By: Spelunker</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2009/07/14/pbss-crossing-heavens-border-is-released/comment-page-1/#comment-351580</link>
		<dc:creator>Spelunker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I just watched this video and agree that the most powerful part is indeed the bit about the sisters who go their seperate ways.  Here&#039;s what I don&#039;t get:  What the hell were those damn South Korean reporters thinking?  Why did they let that poor brainwashed woman go back toward her North Korean socialist paradise?  It was so obvious to me that the sensible sister desperately needed help explaining why South Korea is a little bit better than North Korea.  Are you kidding me? Why didn&#039;t the cameraman intervene with some video of South Korea?  They had 10 days to persuade her.  Are they stupid or what?  Why didn&#039;t the South Korean reporter intervene with an intelligent series of questions for the Kim Jong-il worshipping woman?  Like ask her how she gets information about life outside of North Korea?  Ask her why her North Korean TV only gets one channel (assuming she even owns a TV).  Ask her if she has ever heard jazz music before?  Here&#039;s an idea; take her to a dadgum Internet cafe in Dandong and show her South Korean news reports about North Korea!  Let her read for herself!  I could not believe how that bit ended with the woman simply walking away down the street.  How does she think she is going to cross back into North Korea; skip across the Friendship Bridge singing Arirang to North Korean sentries?  The South Korean doing this documentarty really should have known better and saved that sister from her own ignorance. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I just watched this video and agree that the most powerful part is indeed the bit about the sisters who go their seperate ways.  Here&#039;s what I don&#039;t get:  What the hell were those damn South Korean reporters thinking?  Why did they let that poor brainwashed woman go back toward her North Korean socialist paradise?  It was so obvious to me that the sensible sister desperately needed help explaining why South Korea is a little bit better than North Korea.  Are you kidding me? Why didn&#039;t the cameraman intervene with some video of South Korea?  They had 10 days to persuade her.  Are they stupid or what?  Why didn&#039;t the South Korean reporter intervene with an intelligent series of questions for the Kim Jong-il worshipping woman?  Like ask her how she gets information about life outside of North Korea?  Ask her why her North Korean TV only gets one channel (assuming she even owns a TV).  Ask her if she has ever heard jazz music before?  Here&#039;s an idea; take her to a dadgum Internet cafe in Dandong and show her South Korean news reports about North Korea!  Let her read for herself!  I could not believe how that bit ended with the woman simply walking away down the street.  How does she think she is going to cross back into North Korea; skip across the Friendship Bridge singing Arirang to North Korean sentries?  The South Korean doing this documentarty really should have known better and saved that sister from her own ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: guitard</title>
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		<dc:creator>guitard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you in Korea? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you in Korea?</p>
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		<title>By: alcyone</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2009/07/14/pbss-crossing-heavens-border-is-released/comment-page-1/#comment-349751</link>
		<dc:creator>alcyone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Works for me. Incredible story by the way. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Works for me. Incredible story by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
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		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 07:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you try the PBS link above the embedded video and see if it loads up that way?  I can&#039;t understand why this video would be blocked in South Korea? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you try the PBS link above the embedded video and see if it loads up that way?  I can&#039;t understand why this video would be blocked in South Korea?</p>
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		<title>By: guitard</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2009/07/14/pbss-crossing-heavens-border-is-released/comment-page-1/#comment-349599</link>
		<dc:creator>guitard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t watch it either - I get a message that says the content isn&#039;t available.  I&#039;m guessing it&#039;s because Korean IPs are blocked. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#039;t watch it either &#8211; I get a message that says the content isn&#039;t available.  I&#039;m guessing it&#039;s because Korean IPs are blocked.</p>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
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		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gillian I just clicked on the link and the video was working.  Try it again and see what happens. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gillian I just clicked on the link and the video was working.  Try it again and see what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Gillian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the video seems to be removed!! I am soooo unhappy!! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the video seems to be removed!! I am soooo unhappy!!</p>
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		<title>By: a listener</title>
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		<dc:creator>a listener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw this online last week. I thought about posting it here but I was sure you would soon enough. The most interesting part for me was when the younger sister of the girl who fled insisted that Kim Jong Il is not responsible for their troubles. Saying his belly is big becuase it is bloated from not eating properly,.... Amazing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this online last week. I thought about posting it here but I was sure you would soon enough. The most interesting part for me was when the younger sister of the girl who fled insisted that Kim Jong Il is not responsible for their troubles. Saying his belly is big becuase it is bloated from not eating properly,&#8230;. Amazing.</p>
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