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		<title>By: Former Member of IVAW</title>
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		<dc:creator>Former Member of IVAW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with everything Jonn has pointed out about IVAW. The organization is corrupt with members calling for sabotage military equipment while being deployed in a combat zone. This is disgusting.

Equally disgusting is how Jonn Lilyea, a couple months back, went after a medically retired Army Sergeant First Class and tried to paint him as a &quot;phoney soldier&quot; because he didn&#039;t agree with a reporter calling this SFC &quot;a sergeant in the special forces&quot; when he was actually a Sergeant serving with the Special Forces. For some reason Jonn Lilyea decided that the mistake the reporter made constitutes this Retired SFC to be labeled a &quot;phoney soldier&quot;.

The funny thing about this story is that once Jonn Lilyea found out the truth about this particular SFC, he decided to remove the blog post from ThisAintHell (his website) but that was done after he tried digging up info on this Retired SFC and couldn&#039;t find anything.

Never the less, Jonn Lilyea was given this Retired SFC personal phone number numerous times and never once called him to apologize. Beware troops, Jonn Lilyea may take offense to something a reporter scribbles down on a piece of paper and fails to verify about you and you maybe called a &quot;phoney soldier&quot; by Jonn someday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everything Jonn has pointed out about IVAW. The organization is corrupt with members calling for sabotage military equipment while being deployed in a combat zone. This is disgusting.</p>
<p>Equally disgusting is how Jonn Lilyea, a couple months back, went after a medically retired Army Sergeant First Class and tried to paint him as a &#8220;phoney soldier&#8221; because he didn&#8217;t agree with a reporter calling this SFC &#8220;a sergeant in the special forces&#8221; when he was actually a Sergeant serving with the Special Forces. For some reason Jonn Lilyea decided that the mistake the reporter made constitutes this Retired SFC to be labeled a &#8220;phoney soldier&#8221;.</p>
<p>The funny thing about this story is that once Jonn Lilyea found out the truth about this particular SFC, he decided to remove the blog post from ThisAintHell (his website) but that was done after he tried digging up info on this Retired SFC and couldn&#8217;t find anything.</p>
<p>Never the less, Jonn Lilyea was given this Retired SFC personal phone number numerous times and never once called him to apologize. Beware troops, Jonn Lilyea may take offense to something a reporter scribbles down on a piece of paper and fails to verify about you and you maybe called a &#8220;phoney soldier&#8221; by Jonn someday.</p>
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		<title>By: LORDOFE2</title>
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		<dc:creator>LORDOFE2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 04:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I predict there will be a lot more desertions. Take for example the hero Stefan Cook. He feels that until somebody can prove that Obama was born in the USA, he is not the legitmate Prez. I don&#039;t want to get into the birth certificate arguement, but I predict that many more soldiers will follow suit. I think its their right to know that president is an American. Until this issue gets resolved. Cook is a real hero.

On the otherhand you have guys like Jeremy Hinzman who are the lowest form of human coward. In the good old days, if you were a coward, you got shot on the spot. I see no reason why these guys should breath free air. They are guilty and they know it. Bring them back to the USA DOA. Put a bounty on their heads dead or alive. That will send a clear message to the hippies, dopers, and pill poppers that AMERICA means business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I predict there will be a lot more desertions. Take for example the hero Stefan Cook. He feels that until somebody can prove that Obama was born in the USA, he is not the legitmate Prez. I don&#8217;t want to get into the birth certificate arguement, but I predict that many more soldiers will follow suit. I think its their right to know that president is an American. Until this issue gets resolved. Cook is a real hero.</p>
<p>On the otherhand you have guys like Jeremy Hinzman who are the lowest form of human coward. In the good old days, if you were a coward, you got shot on the spot. I see no reason why these guys should breath free air. They are guilty and they know it. Bring them back to the USA DOA. Put a bounty on their heads dead or alive. That will send a clear message to the hippies, dopers, and pill poppers that AMERICA means business.</p>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
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		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 14:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Army Sergeant,

In regards to your points who wouldn&#039;t do something like advocating for a new GI Bill?  Also I find paying for veteran&#039;s funerals interesting considering every soldier gets SGLI coverage to pay for funerals if they are unfortunately killed. 

Also I have read plenty of your comments over at Jonn&#039;s site and I personally do not have a problem with you.  If IVAW was being run by you I wouldn&#039;t be so critical. Clearly IVAW isn&#039;t interested in having someone like yourself running considering how you faired in the recent IVAW election.  I think your efforts would be put to much better use in a organization where its primary function isn&#039;t political activity.   

For example I have been approached by Vets for Freedom and I turned down joining that organization because it is clearly a political organization being used to counter groups like IVAW and VoteVets.  

Also I exchanged some emails with Kevin Dougherty and you are right he is a good guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Army Sergeant,</p>
<p>In regards to your points who wouldn&#8217;t do something like advocating for a new GI Bill?  Also I find paying for veteran&#8217;s funerals interesting considering every soldier gets SGLI coverage to pay for funerals if they are unfortunately killed. </p>
<p>Also I have read plenty of your comments over at Jonn&#8217;s site and I personally do not have a problem with you.  If IVAW was being run by you I wouldn&#8217;t be so critical. Clearly IVAW isn&#8217;t interested in having someone like yourself running considering how you faired in the recent IVAW election.  I think your efforts would be put to much better use in a organization where its primary function isn&#8217;t political activity.   </p>
<p>For example I have been approached by Vets for Freedom and I turned down joining that organization because it is clearly a political organization being used to counter groups like IVAW and VoteVets.  </p>
<p>Also I exchanged some emails with Kevin Dougherty and you are right he is a good guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Army Sergeant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Army Sergeant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 02:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GI Korea,

Some things that I think IVAW has done that are amazing and productive, at least ones that I&#039;ve been involved with:

1) Helping to advocate for the Post 9/11 GI Bill
2) Creating a mental health network of providers who are willing to work for free or reduced cost to veterans unable to get treatment elsewhere or active duty soldiers who are afraid of being stigmatized by using military resources
3) Helped individuals who called the organization to get help and advice with their military problems (I myself helped handle this traffic when active duty members were involved)
4) Provided legal support for soldiers whose cases were not in fact fodder for publicity.
5) Created nonstandard veteran group help and support
6) Provided a network of media contacts so that individual soldiers and stories could get out to the media when needed, exposing conditions that needed to be fixed. 
7) Helped to pay for veteran&#039;s funerals when the family was unable to do so.
8) Helped to get veterans employed, created job training and alternative job resources.
9) Provided individuals in crisis &#039;buddies&quot; who could be called at any time day or night

I mean there&#039;s a lot of things we&#039;ve done, we just don&#039;t always put out press releases about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GI Korea,</p>
<p>Some things that I think IVAW has done that are amazing and productive, at least ones that I&#8217;ve been involved with:</p>
<p>1) Helping to advocate for the Post 9/11 GI Bill<br />
2) Creating a mental health network of providers who are willing to work for free or reduced cost to veterans unable to get treatment elsewhere or active duty soldiers who are afraid of being stigmatized by using military resources<br />
3) Helped individuals who called the organization to get help and advice with their military problems (I myself helped handle this traffic when active duty members were involved)<br />
4) Provided legal support for soldiers whose cases were not in fact fodder for publicity.<br />
5) Created nonstandard veteran group help and support<br />
6) Provided a network of media contacts so that individual soldiers and stories could get out to the media when needed, exposing conditions that needed to be fixed.<br />
7) Helped to pay for veteran&#8217;s funerals when the family was unable to do so.<br />
 <img src='http://rokdrop.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> Helped to get veterans employed, created job training and alternative job resources.<br />
9) Provided individuals in crisis &#8216;buddies&#8221; who could be called at any time day or night</p>
<p>I mean there&#8217;s a lot of things we&#8217;ve done, we just don&#8217;t always put out press releases about them.</p>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
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		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 01:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best thing to do is expose them for what they are and get as many people as possible to read about it.  That is why I am so disappointed that the S&amp;S made this group out to be some legitimate veterans group without providing readers further information about IVAW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best thing to do is expose them for what they are and get as many people as possible to read about it.  That is why I am so disappointed that the S&#038;S made this group out to be some legitimate veterans group without providing readers further information about IVAW.</p>
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		<title>By: LORDOFE2</title>
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		<dc:creator>LORDOFE2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so damn sick of all those anti-American types. GI what can we do to stop them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so damn sick of all those anti-American types. GI what can we do to stop them.</p>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
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		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking forward to seeing it Jonn.</description>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
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		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Army Sergeant I would like to know what good IVAW has done?  I don&#039;t think creating a group that allows fraudulent soldiers, marxists, and even escaped mental patients to pose as a legitimate veterans organization does much good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Army Sergeant I would like to know what good IVAW has done?  I don&#8217;t think creating a group that allows fraudulent soldiers, marxists, and even escaped mental patients to pose as a legitimate veterans organization does much good.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 05:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Four strawman arguments in four sentences, bravo.  I suspect you did not do well on logic course in school by your lack of reasoning skills. 

1. Butler&#039;s arguments were quite germane to the US small wars of the early 1900s until the late 1930s, they have no bearing on anything happening today.  I have some nice Napoleon quotes I&#039;ve been dying to use on the global warming crowd.

2. Kissinger got just about everything wrong during Vietnam and the cold war and also made his quote when the United States had a concript army effectively painting every American in the same terms.  

3. Why would supporting the mission in Iraq and Afganistan fall only into your two carefully constructed rationales?  You are the definition of narrow minded, &quot;dumb, stupid animal also comes to mind.&quot;

4. &quot;Fraud&quot;, I don&#039;t think the word means what you think it does.  If you have an organization..say &quot;Teachers against Hitler&quot; not being a teacher but pretending to be one in order to enhance your reputation would make you a fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Four strawman arguments in four sentences, bravo.  I suspect you did not do well on logic course in school by your lack of reasoning skills. </p>
<p>1. Butler&#8217;s arguments were quite germane to the US small wars of the early 1900s until the late 1930s, they have no bearing on anything happening today.  I have some nice Napoleon quotes I&#8217;ve been dying to use on the global warming crowd.</p>
<p>2. Kissinger got just about everything wrong during Vietnam and the cold war and also made his quote when the United States had a concript army effectively painting every American in the same terms.  </p>
<p>3. Why would supporting the mission in Iraq and Afganistan fall only into your two carefully constructed rationales?  You are the definition of narrow minded, &#8220;dumb, stupid animal also comes to mind.&#8221;</p>
<p>4. &#8220;Fraud&#8221;, I don&#8217;t think the word means what you think it does.  If you have an organization..say &#8220;Teachers against Hitler&#8221; not being a teacher but pretending to be one in order to enhance your reputation would make you a fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonn Lilyea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonn Lilyea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 01:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is there a set number of Iraqi civilians or women and children you have to have killed to not be considered a “fraud”?&quot;

Yes, but that number is classified. I could tell you, but then I&#039;d...well, you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is there a set number of Iraqi civilians or women and children you have to have killed to not be considered a “fraud”?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, but that number is classified. I could tell you, but then I&#8217;d&#8230;well, you know.</p>
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