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Avatar of GI KoreaBy on September 1st, 2009 at 7:28 am

Dokdo Racers Claim Megan Fox is Japanese and More Notes On the Dokdo Issue

Over at On My Way to Korea, Matt Strum has provided everyone an update on his time meeting with the Dokdo Racers and the presentation they have been showing to audiences on their trip:

After all the introductions and background, they showed a video introducing the issue of Dokdo.  After I saw that video on Wednesday, they actually edited it since it seemed a little too aggressive to Japan (I highly suggested that they change it).  The first version introduced a extreme scenario where Japan claims that Megan Fox is Japanese and other things like that.  I told them that it really seemed that people seeing this would not get it and that it would hurt the presentation.  They came back with a new version on Thursday to show me with that section changed.  I was really happy to see that they had made it much better.  Instead of showing extreme examples of Japan claiming things as Japans, they made examples of Korea claiming things that weren’t theirs (using simple examples instead of people).  To me, it just seemed a lot more classy to to that.  Saying that Korea doesn’t claim things that aren’t theirs was way better than saying that Japan claims things that are completely and obviously not theirs.  Although they had changed the video, they accidentally showed the original one during the presentation.  They said that they were sorry for showing that version and showed the new version after the presentation was finished.  [On MyWay to Korea]

Read the rest of Matt’s posting because he provides many more details about the Dokdo Racers trip .  Matt also provides a schedule of where in the US and Canada the Dokdo Racers plan to give presentations.  Over at the Dokdo Racers’ blog they also have a bunch of pictures posted from their presentation and it doesn’t appear they had too big of a crowd:

dokdo race meeting

This is actually more people then I thought they would get to show up.  Think about it, how many Koreans would show up for some group in Denmark bad mouthing Canadians due to the Hans Island dispute?  I’m sure they would have had a much huger turn out if they brought knife in the gut man, flag eater man, finger chopping ajumma, the Dokdo Riders, the pheasant smashers, and my favorite of all bee man along with them.

Just like the Dokdo Riders before them, the Dokdo Racers to me seem to be using the Dokdo issue to secure funding for their trip.  They got money from the Korean government and some business sponsors and what ever expenses were left over they had to pay out of pocket.  Their presentation didn’t seem very impressive and I would be curious to see what maps they are presenting considering how many fraudulent maps are out there to include even in the Dokdo Museum.

I seriously doubt they presented a complete and balanced presentation of the Dokdo issue.  The Japanese government knows that the Koreans are never going to give up Dokdo, but this dispute has nothing to do with controlling the islets.  This issue has many more aspects to it with one being the Kuril Islands dispute. Japan still claims the Kuril Islands that Russia occupied after World War II. By giving up a claim to Dokdo it weakens Japan’s stance on regaining the Kuril Islands.  Most Japanese could care less about Dokdo, but they do care about the Kuril Island issue and feel strongly about it.

What really brought this Dokdo dispute to prominence was the fishermen in Shimane Prefecture. South Korean fishermen have been poaching in Japanese waters for years and have gotten away with it to the extent that they even kidnapped two Japanese coastguard personnel that tried to apprehend them.  That is why the government of Shimane Prefecture which is very dependent on its fishing industry have been driving the Dokdo issue in order to get it greater visibility within Japan. The South Korean overreactions have played right into the hands of the Shimane Prefecture folks because now the Dokdo issue has gotten greater awareness within the Japanese public and become a national issue that now right wing politicians are beginning to advance. What is even more pathetic about this issue is that the province in Japan driving this issue, Shimane Prefecture is the least cared about in all of Japan.

This whole stupid issue started over fish and has now turned into a nationalistic cause by politicians looking for political advantage that will make any negotiations to solve the original fishing problem next to impossible.  However, the dispute is still a great excuse to score funding for an around the world trip, which if someone is paying them to do why not?

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    1:13 am on September 1st, 2009 1

    Great story GI.

  • roboseyo
    2:12 am on September 1st, 2009 2

    Hey. If you pay for my trip around the world, I'D make Dokdo presentations in every city. Just as long as I don't have to hang out with the other Dokdo Riders. I'd do a solo tour, thanks. "Listen, guys. We can cover more ground if we split up!"

  • Ditto81
    6:37 am on September 1st, 2009 3

    Should have let them go ahead with the original presentation including Megan Fox so that the foreigners could see first hand how completely retarded this whole issue is.

  • Matt Strum
    10:12 am on September 1st, 2009 4

    Great example with Denmark and Canada, I haven't heard about that before. Utah (due to returned missionaries) probably has a lot higher percentage of people that both know about Korea and know the Korean language.

    Roboseyo, don't forget to drop by Utah ;-)

  • Matt@occidentalism.o
    11:13 am on September 1st, 2009 5

    The ironic thing is that I could probably make a better presentation than the Dokdo racers because I know the ins and outs of the issue. I could even do it from a Korean perspective (although I believe the evidence is overwhelmingly on the Japanese side). The problem with any presentation from someone that actually *believes* that Korea has a historical claim on Dokdo is that they are setting themselves up to be debunked, by using false maps etc.

  • Matt Strum
    11:22 am on September 1st, 2009 6

    I'd be interested in hearing what you know on the Japanese side of the argument. I can't even pretend to be well versed on that side of the argument.

  • BrettM
    11:29 am on September 1st, 2009 7

    Raise your hand if you actually care.

  • Canadianguy
    12:15 pm on September 1st, 2009 8

    "Denmark bad mouthing Canadians due to the Hans Island dispute"

    Actually, there is no more dispute…We agreed to draw the border in the middle of the island.

    12:46 pm on September 1st, 2009 9

    Those evil Japanese are stealing Megan Fox!!! LOL. They can have her. Only a Korean would think that is a threat.

    1:50 pm on September 1st, 2009 10

    Look at how many things that the Dokdo riders are doing whose origin is Japanese. They are playing drums, which came from Japanese culture.

    They eat rice cake (deok) or mochi. From Japan.

    And drink that awful sikhye, also from Japan.

    Korea owes so much to Japan, yet they never thank them.

  • On My Way To Korea
    5:54 pm on September 1st, 2009 11

    Dokdo Racers Presentation…

    UPDATE: Their translated schedule is available here and their blog post about the event is here.  GI Korea also posted a post on ROK Drop with some commentary.
    Yesterday was the big day for the 독도레이서스 (Dokdo Racers) to do their presentation for us in S…

  • Matt@occidentalism.o
    1:18 am on September 2nd, 2009 12


    Well, there are a lot of things.

    I guess the main thing is that the Japanese have clear, scientific maps with longitude and latitude of the Liancourt Rocks, which proves that they were aware of the rocks. The Koreans on the other hand do not really have any clear documents, which is why you can even find photoshopped maps in the Dokdo museum in Korea.

    Since there are so many assertions out there, it would be helpful to know what assertions the Koreans actually made. For example, did they say that the Koreans possessed the islets from 512 AD? Did they mention Ordinance 41? In that case the assertions are easily debunked, because those assertions have been.

    The question of sovereignty of the islands is complicated by the fact that until recent times neither Korea nor Japan had a modern (meaning western) concept of territorial sovereignty. However, the Japanese were faster on the uptake than the Koreans and formally declared sovereignty over the islets in 1905.

  • Matt Strum
    2:19 am on September 2nd, 2009 13

    Thanks for the response, it is pretty complicated. They did claim sovereignty from 512 AD in their presentation BTW

  • Matt@occidentalism.o
    12:58 pm on September 2nd, 2009 14

    Matt, a debunking of the 512 claim can be found here.

    By the way, I don't think that the Dokdo Racers are trying to deceive people, I honestly believe they just don't know about it. I have personally brought this kind of information and allowed Korean friends to see it and they have been shocked by it.

  • Korean
    10:15 am on September 7th, 2009 15

    LORDOFE2, where did you learn that the drums, rice cakes, and sikhye are from Japan? Any reference? It is known that most cultural stuff came from China to Korea and Korea to Japan before Japanese directly trade with western merchants (~15-16th century) via sea. Also, the drums and rice cakes existed from ancient times (common in many civilizations all over the world) and it's very hard to say who made them first.

    5:45 pm on September 7th, 2009 16

    "It is known that most cultural stuff came from China to Korea and Korea to Japan"

    Yes some things did move in that order. No doubt that Korea copied much from its old master China.

    " drums and rice cakes existed from ancient times (common in many civilizations all over the world) and it’s very hard to say who made them first"

    Not really. Koreans used big flat metal drums that the Chinese used. There is an hisotical reacord of this (not some picture drawn to look old on the wall of a restaurant). Japanese used a different style and it was made in a different way with different material. Koreans simply copied it and said "who knows who was first" then Koreans typically say, but " Korea was probally first".

    LOL. Korean, who invented "Kumdo"… think of that as a test question for your nationalism test.


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