By Well here is one way to find a job:
If you are a military spouse looking for employment, one of the many on-base Army Community Service job fairs may be a good place to start.
The Army Community Service, Civilian Personnel Advisory Center and Army Career and Alumni Program hosted a job fair at the Post Exchange parking lot Sept. 25 where more than thirty firms were looking for talent among retirees, civilians and military spouses.
“Today’s was one of our biggest job fairs,” Employment Manager Mercedes Jamieson, said. “We have access to more than sixty companies who are always looking for talented employees.”
Hundreds of job seekers filled the parking lot, moving from tent to tent to speak with representatives.
“We have had excellent applicants last year and we’re looking for more this year,” Director of Operations for L3 Communications James Chambers, said.
“A lot of these firms hire on the spot when they see the right candidate,” ACS Director Diane Foster, said. “So if you are looking for jobs, come and bring your resume!”
Foster said that she has observed some visitors forgetting to bring their resumes to the fairs, which may put them at a disadvantage. Chambers agreed. [USFK website]
How do you go to a job fair to look for a job and not bring a resume?
6:28 pm on October 5th, 2009 1
"How do you go to a job fair to look for a job and not bring a resume?"
Apparently all they need is their sense of entitlement.
7:11 pm on October 5th, 2009 2
I wonder if they brought proof that they were not "ordinary resident" of Korea?
8:28 pm on October 5th, 2009 3
Yes. Are those dependents here “soley to support the mission of USFK” as defined by CCK? I think not.
12:04 pm on October 6th, 2009 4
Very few real jobs are offered at those fairs. Mostly its a publicity event. And the jobs that are offered usually don't have many benefits tacked on.
For the whole CCK visa thing, spouses already are eligible for an A3 by virtue of them being here with their military other. CCK just has approval authority for granting A3 visa status, -technically- you can work just fine here without that, but your company has to go through all the hoops to get you the appropriate work visa. Most don't have the administrative ability to do that, so they prefer to hire A3 eligible people only.
1:51 pm on October 6th, 2009 5
So it sounds like people are bitter because these dependants are getting special treatment. I think these soldiers families deserve any benefits they are geting and then some. I would guess 70-90% of these soldiers in Korea have seen time in Iraq and Afgan or will in the future so I say give them as much as possible and if it means a guy off the street doesn't get it then good…it should be that way. I think soldiers and dependants should take presidence over everone else in the Armed Forces to include those retires who did their 20-30 years never seeing combat(excluding those who served in Vietnam), not to say they aren't patriotic but the soldiers of today have, for the most part, seen or will see some horiffic conditions…
3:28 pm on October 6th, 2009 6
Sowhat,
You make a reasonable point.
…but you are aware that you are advocating special treatment for people who may not be as qualified, may have higher turn-over and may cost more money in the long run… diverting attention and funds away from training and equipping the very soldiers you support.
There may be a better way to benefit dependents than temporarily shoehorning them into a job better done by a longer-term professional.
6:12 pm on October 6th, 2009 7
This is exactly why I won't work for the US Government ever again. They hire the most unqualified people that do the least amount/quality of work possible. I call Government jobs "Work fair". I thank God everyday I'm smart enough not to be associated with such trash.
6:13 pm on October 6th, 2009 8
CH, one fallacy in your reasoning. The jobs offered at the Job Fair are not taken away from more talented people, they are low level unfilled positions. If you have a more qualified MWR "gopher/admin" rat out there, I'm pretty sure they won't work in Korea for $7.45 an hour with no benefits.
6:17 pm on October 6th, 2009 9
Yes, no one has every made a recon of possible places of employment.
They always bring a complete resume including their deep accomplishments in academia to include graduating from High School.
7:00 pm on October 6th, 2009 10
It sounds like some of you think you are rocket scientist… I would bet some of you even think that you can't be replaced. It always makes me laugh to here people talk about how technical these jobs in Korea are when in fact they aren't. This is especially true with I.T. people, they always come across as thinking they know everything about everything and no one could possibly step in and keep the ship afloat. Sure, there are a couple of jobs in Korea that require a special skill… off the top of my head as an example I would say the helicopter repair contracts are one of them but… for the most part the majority of jobs are learn able and quite frankly best suited when a fresh body steps in and takes them another direction. These guys, contractors and GS alike, that have been here for years upon years develop to much contentedness in their jobs which makes some of them really hard to deal with. I wish Korea would develop a 3 year rule with no exceptions, you must PCS back to the States for at least 2 years every 3 years…a whole bunch of people in Korea would be absolutely lost without a backdrop of Korea.
8:16 pm on October 6th, 2009 11
I guess you have not had to deal with PPP as a GS. Get your facts straight before spewing off about 3 year rules. Any yes there are jobs here that many cannot full because for their lack of knowledge and lack of skills and also the lack of know what they are talking about like you.
9:06 pm on October 6th, 2009 12
I'm not sure its fair to compare Vietnam with Iraq or Afganistan. The first group was a bunch of 18 year olds, drafted and forced to go to war for about a three dollars a day in pay and zero support for any family they had. The second group are all volunteers who are re-enlisting so fast the Army can't keep them all, who are receiving astonishing pay, benefits and support for families. The casualties during a bad year in Iraq is about equal to a good day in Vietnam. Then,on the other hand, we should not compare Vietnam with an even more difficult time for Soldiers during WWII. It's good to see Soldiers are being treated better – I hope you find your future.
9:16 pm on October 6th, 2009 13
I just described you in my last post. BTW, if you are going to call someone an idiot at least make a half hearted attempt at spelling and grammar.
9:22 pm on October 6th, 2009 14
I didn't compare vietnam and Iraq, I was grouping the soldiers that servered in those wars into deserving veterans.
9:24 pm on October 6th, 2009 15
I think all veterans deserve support for their sacrafices…
10:01 pm on October 6th, 2009 16
"BTW, if you are going to call someone an idiot at least make a half hearted attempt at spelling and grammar."
"Half hearted" seems to be spelled "halfhearted".
You also probably need a comma after "idiot".
Awkward.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/halfhea…
10:20 pm on October 6th, 2009 17
Actually you can write it half-hearted or halfhearted, I just missed the dash in there. I am sure you knew that already since you called me out on it but… you probably didn't.
10:23 pm on October 6th, 2009 18
Ill add to what "Are you joking" said, and include bad spelling and grammar and all…(the understanding/conveyance of a message is the ONLY important thing in a forum; NOT spelling/grammar)
Singling out a certain occupation for criticism is retarded. I am sure that any enlightened individual would say that they are NOT replaceable with an untalented/inexperienced person. I know for a fact that I am replaceable by anyone with willingness to learn, 3-5 years of progressively advancing experience(in the field) and most importantly a willingness to WORK.
Did you get burned (not selected) for an I.T. position which you were "well qualified" for?
-Harika
10:24 pm on October 6th, 2009 19
Why do you sound prissy in all your posts…are you a female?
11:03 pm on October 6th, 2009 20
You also probably need a comma after "idiot".
The period at the end of this sentence goes inside the quotation mark:
You also probably need a comma after "idiot."
12:11 am on October 7th, 2009 21
Oh, that stings…even more awkward, the corrector has become the correctee…ouch.
Chickenhead will come back with a novel now in an attempt to sound clever.
12:30 am on October 7th, 2009 22
Sowhat,
"Actually you can write it half-hearted"
Show me.
guitard,
"The period at the end of this sentence goes inside the quotation mark:
You also probably need a comma after 'idiot.'"
You are correct… in a way. In a case like this, American punctuation would place the commas and periods inside the quotation marks while all other punctuation marks (such as ?) would be placed outside. In England and Canada, all punctuation marks would be placed outside the quotation marks… much more logical.
When I write for fun, I use my own style… such as the three periods which irritated the French to no end. I believe communication is best served in this case by allowing "idiot" to stand alone as quoted… followed by a period which designated the end of the sentence.
Were I writing this for an official reason, I would follow all the screwy rules of American punctuation as society requires.
Otherwise, I'll do it my way… and I'll defend it unless a superior way is demonstrated… but that doesn't mean I'm unaware of the "right way.".
(covering both bases there)
1:25 am on October 7th, 2009 23
I can't believe you wrote a novel to explain yourself.
This isn't an english course so look it up yourself but I will give a brief explanation. Some prefixes are joined to the base word by a hyphen… non-swimmer, self-control, all-powerful, half-hearted…
I think you took my earlier post to heart because you fit the bill.
2:46 am on October 7th, 2009 24
Oh dear.
I wasn't looking for a fight… just pointing out the (probably) unintentional humor of your poorly-written post in criticizing someone's spelling and grammar (instead of attacking their points)…
…and the hits keep on coming with an "english course". (Google: proper noun).
But I did honor your completely copped-out request to "look it up yourself".
Halfhearted has become a "permanent compound" written as a "solid compound"… ergo, it is written as one word and has no hyphen. You were wrong TWICE. Hee hee hee.
FAIL.
You know… we all make mistakes with regularity. Criticizing someone's quick or careless writing without relating it to the point of their post invites scrutiny… bad scrutiny… bad and always successful scrutiny… because most of us carelessly bang away at the keyboard when when get a few minutes between other projects.
Truce?
8:04 am on October 7th, 2009 25
You are a tool chickenhead, didn't you learn these basic grammer rules in high school, why do you look it up on the internet and assume the answer is correct when you could find the opposite answer somewhere else. Ask an english teacher how you write half-hearted or halfhearted…as I said above, it can be written both ways. I wasn't correcting the guys spelling and grammer, I was pointing out you don't call someone an idiot and write a sentence like that. Sh!t, you don't even know what you wrote above, you just copied and pasted from someones web page.
8:06 am on October 7th, 2009 26
Oh, and we do all make mistakes, and you just made one…
9:04 am on October 7th, 2009 27
I will try to make this as easy as possible for you chickenhead.
In my sentence above "half hearted" is a compound adjetive, "attempt" is the noun, and "hearted" is the adjetive, which modifies the noun "attempt". The word "half" plays a role as an adverb modifying "hearted". When am adverd and adjetive come before the noun they are hyphened.
However, modern English grammer allows all 3 forms of the word so it can be halfhearted, half hearted or half-hearted.
Chickenhead, I didn't need to look this up I just listed in high school… stop using the web as your source to sound clever.
9:17 am on October 7th, 2009 28
He said "grammer"… hhuh! hhhuh!
9:25 am on October 7th, 2009 29
I'm lucky enough to work for the gov't in a small technical niche that only a few people could ever fill- and not the "girl friday" types.
Take a look at agencies who fill their vacancies under various "programs"- you'll generally see either 1) an agency with a questionable reason for existence (like supporting some DoD make work program or PC program) or a real mixed bag of "workers".
Obamanites call out for "efficiency" in government but push this kind of stuff which doesn't help their self-professed goal.
The Army and its supporting agency doesn't exist to offer opportunities for people – it exists to provide a potential to kill bad guys and break their sh!t. In being such an organization, it does provide some opportunities to certain people without any manipulation.
10:00 am on October 7th, 2009 30
OK ladies, forget the Korea Finder game and go for who can find the correct number of errors in a randomly selected post. The following post has (_____) number of grammatical errors?
"So it sounds like people are bitter because these dependants are getting special treatment. I think these soldiers families deserve any benefits they are geting and then some. I would guess 70-90% of these soldiers in Korea have seen time in Iraq and Afgan or will in the future so I say give them as much as possible and if it means a guy off the street doesn’t get it then good…it should be that way. I think soldiers and dependants should take presidence over everone else in the Armed Forces to include those retires who did their 20-30 years never seeing combat(excluding those who served in Vietnam), not to say they aren’t patriotic but the soldiers of today have, for the most part, seen or will see some horiffic conditions…"
12:11 pm on October 7th, 2009 31
It's all a front for publicity. I went to an interview and din't understand what the Korean person was asking me. The job fair itself produced to results.Jobs are on lock- down and hookup basis only not based on ability,skill,communications skills or education. Just my opinion as an Army wife who did take resumes and wore a suit I might add to every job fair.
2:11 pm on October 7th, 2009 32
Sowhat,
"When am adverd and adjetive come before the noun they are hyphened."
I think you wanted "an" and not "am". The "n" has only one hump. Keep in mind, it is the opposite of the letters in one-humped dromedary camels and two-humped bactrian camels. Continued use of this outdated memory peg will frequently result in what is called the "An and Am Camel Crossover"… although many professors substitute "crossover" with "switcheroo".
I think you wanted "adverb" and not "adverd". The "b" faces the same direction as the "B"… simply remove the top bump. That's how I remembered it since first grade and I hardly ever make that mistake anymore. Of course it could have been a typing mistake since "d" and "b" are right next to each other and use the same finger… oh… wait… that's not the case.
The word "adjective" does pose a larger problem to spell correctly. For inbred hillbillies, the "c" is completely silent making "adjetive" the correct pronunciation. This frequently crosses over into spelling. In some mountain communities, the "d" is also dropped which makes "ajetive" a more accurate representation. Grammar is also pronounced "grammer" in many of those communities… and spelled accordingly.
"However, modern English grammer allows all 3 forms of the word so it can be halfhearted, half hearted or half-hearted."
Exhibit A: Cliff Notes, "Spelling of Compound Words"
Google: cliff notes compound halfhearted
Exhibit B: National Geographic Style Manual
Google: national geographic style compound halfhearted
Exhibit C: Webster's New Essential Writer's Companion: A Concise Guide to Writing
Google: Webster's companion compound halfhearted
Almost every university style manual also lists "halfhearted" as a specific example of when to write a compound as a single word with no hyphen.
The prosecution rests.
"Chickenhead, I didn’t need to look this up I just listed in high school… stop using the web as your source to sound clever."
Did you "list" to starboard or port? Your poor, poor teachers…
And, yes, you DID need to look this up… and you still do.
And… I was already clever when I spotted your mistake. Looking up the details just made me more highly educated on the subject of compounds. Next time, I can speak authoritatively without looking it up. That's what education and self-education are all about. We aren't born with this information. We have to learn it somehow… and it is rather foolish to ridicule someone for "looking it up".
Also, don't steal my periods… mine… ALL mine!
I gotta say… your HAVE to be writing this way intentionally just to get a response. Nobody is really this dumb.
Your single-hearted attempt to defend your position certainly is not for the fainthearted and the debate is no longer lighthearted and probably shows you are hard-hearted rather than good-hearted.
Truce?
I should add that the English "teacher" community has been highly disappointing by not issuing any opinion on this subject.
2:55 pm on October 7th, 2009 33
I find it astonishing that you have the nerve to mention grammar and spelling after your previous post. In case you missed it your post should read: 1. …rocket scientists (plural). 2. makes me laugh to here people (should be h-e-a-r) 3. I won't even go into the use of commas, ellipses, and other punctuation.
3:17 pm on October 7th, 2009 34
I won't write a novel instead I will tell you to bring this question to any high school student for your answer. I will say this one more time, it can be written as half-hearted, halfhearted or half hearted, all three will work. So are you a female because if you aren't, you write like one.
3:28 pm on October 7th, 2009 35
I encourage everyone reading this post to google "half-hearted" to see how many results you get with the hyphen included… then please let chickenhead or "chicken-head" know it can be written with a hyphen or without the hyphen. You are not a very bright guy chicken-head and could have easily gotten the answer by simply typing it with the hyphen but all of your posts seem to try to prove the opposite of what someone is saying.
3:43 pm on October 7th, 2009 36
Typed in google and seen enrty after enrty with the dash. I think chicken is a dumb bird.
4:14 pm on October 7th, 2009 37
Sowhat,
You get lots of hits with "hard-hearted" because anybody who can cobble together an approximation of a sentence can make a MySpace page or a Facebook account.
Also, a lot of idiots defend it in the comment section of blogs… further inflating the hit count.
"I won’t write a novel instead I will tell you to bring this question to any high school student for your answer."
I did… and he said it is "halfhearted" and your sentence construction is 4th grade level.
Now show me an academic source comparable to the three I cited.
Come on, dude. Stop it. This isn't even fun. It's like shooting at the guy who supplies ammo.
"So are you a female because if you aren’t, you write like one."
We all need an outlet for our inner woman. That's why I generally don't even sit in front of the computer unless I am wearing my French maid uniform and Vaseline-soaked panties.
You can't spell, use correct grammar or write a well-constructed sentence… but you sure know people.
So… at least you have that going for you.
4:20 pm on October 7th, 2009 38
Didn't USinKorea give up one of his posts because chicken-head was being an id!ot? What's wrong with you chicken-head? Just go on google and add a hyphen to halfhearted and you will see you are wrong, you obviously like to use search engines to get answers so there you go.
I-can-tell-from-your-posts-that-you-have-been-in-Korea-for-a-really-long-time-so-I-will-cut-you-some-slack-for-your-presumed-intelligence.
4:24 pm on October 7th, 2009 39
There is a book titled "the half-hearted" seems a publisher would have caught that one.
4:28 pm on October 7th, 2009 40
You know you are wrong chicken so stop trying to convince people with long winded posts.
5:03 pm on October 7th, 2009 41
Here is an example from a k-blog "Brian in Jeollanam-do" who I think writes pretty damn good. Scroll down a couple paragraphs and wham… there it is with a hyphen.
5:04 pm on October 7th, 2009 42
Here is an example from a k-blog "Brian in Jeollanam-do" who I think writes pretty damn good. Scroll down a couple paragraphs and wham… there it is with a hyphen.
Follow the link for the page:
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2008/04/nazis-an…
5:45 pm on October 7th, 2009 43
Crimony. WTF, guys?
6:47 pm on October 7th, 2009 44
Damn it another troll is born.
You can't single out I.T. as a whole field for criticism without understanding that it includes many specialties and sub fields each with its own requirements. Some of the more obscure or specialized sub fields demand a much higher pay then the more generic service relates ones. They demand such a high pay because its hard to find people with the experience, certifications, security clearances, and skill sets required. But other fields require little more then the ability to answer a phone and learn basic trouble shooting techniques.
A systems support technician (read: help desk person) is a common enough job, doesn't require much in the means of certification (just the basic CompTia's) and usually only one to two years of experience. It doesn't pay much but it'll give your a platform to learn more specialized skills. Its also relatively easy to find people to staff those positions, their the worker drones of any I.T. service provider.
Then there are satellite engineers, people who must have a very solid understanding of how directed RF transmissions work along with LoS experience. Their also required to be experts in LAN / WAN networking because the satellite's themselves are useless if they can't communicate with a router / network somewhere. These guys get paid really good money because their skill set is rare (RF + Networking + LoS) and their often required to drive into the middle of nowhere to assist with field exercise's for their customer units.
On the other end of the spectrum are database administrators. Required in depth knowledge of several DB implementations and how to make them play nice and work together. This includes Oracle, Sybase, Informix, MySQL, MS SQL, and often how to make them talk to each other and to other front end apps like web servers, or portal servers. Ontop of that these guys must be Unix Guru's because almost all production database's used in the DoD are run on some Unix platform. Its either Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, or maybe even BSD. Because of all these requirements and how vital a database is to any organization, getting a good DBA can be extremely difficult and they demand top dollar usually.
Their are at least a dozen different specialties I can think of off the top of my head, and each require a unique mix of skill sets and experiences. And while some skill sets are shared (Unix Systems Administrator and a Data Base Administrator both need heavy Unix knowledge) many are VERY program specific (ASAS-L, CTASC, GCCS, JOLPES, ect..). Not to mention nearly all of them require some security clearance.
So yes, real I.T. guys are worth that much money and depending on their role / job may or may not be easily replaceable. And the funny part is, if a dependent actually qualifies for one of the more specialized jobs, they will be making double or triple what their military spouse is. At that point in time… the military member is no longer the bread winner for the family and it might not be in the spouse's best interest to leave his/her high paying job in the states to come to Korea for a year or three.
Ohh and BTW, your local unit IMO (Information Management Officer) barely qualifies as I.T. They do the most low level tasks and mostly do administrative work for the government. So I hope to god no one here actually things that is a "highly specialized" job.
8:21 pm on October 7th, 2009 45
There are very few position in Korea that require a higher level of knowledge as you described above and the majority of those positions are in Deagu being performd by contractors. The special pay that was given under the old GS system to 2210's is gone under NSPS because behind every position you described above are thousands of other qualified people, it wasn't like that 10 years ago. The certifications you describe above fall mostly in the level 1 or level 2 tech positions with a few people needing level 3, CISSP for example, qualification. Getting a security+ or network+ certification is cake, the CISSP… not so much. It is always funny to see a GS12 (2210) come to a place like Fort Hood or Fort Huachuca that has spent the majority of their time in Korea or Germany thinking they are untouchable because they posses a skill they think is in demand and unknown to others, it is a real eye-opener for some. A dependent can do 98% of the I.T. jobs in Korea and can obtain the certifications and security clearences to go along with it.
8:53 pm on October 7th, 2009 46
DoD 8570.01-M is absolutely NOT the measure of IT in true tier 2-3 locations. That is a minimum DoD requirement.
Any employer looking for a "UNIX guy" or a "DB guy" won't even look at the "DoD requirements" until after the candidate has the OTHER skills and certs that matter to that specific career field.
Do you think all IT jobs are AGM installers and Office troubleshooters?
1:01 am on October 8th, 2009 47
The DoD 8570.01-M is briefly looked at… then tossed out a window when contracting companies look for what skill sets / people they need. Funny thing is, the only cert I specifically mentioned was the CompTia ones for basic help desk drones. Everything else is mostly experience, then certs, then education. Security clearances serve two functions, first being you need one to even qualify for the job, second is that if you have a clearance higher then the one required (like a TS/SCI but position only needs US S E CRET) they often up your base salary.
Funny that you mention these supposed "thousands" of I.T. specialists ready to get hired… when I know of many jobs available right now, both over in the ROK and back stateside. Hell a bunch are recruiting out of Germany and other parts of Europe. Many people can take a few class's and pass a few tests (test king anyone), some even get a shiny degree that says "Computer Science, or Information Technology" but when it comes interview time… well their real knowledge (or lack thereof) comes out. There are things you only learn with experience, having hands on work with specialized systems. The Program Managed systems (ASAS-L, CTASC, GCCS, ect..) are the most sought after because of the specific knowledge required to fix or maintain them.
Please tell us all about these 98% of IT jobs you happen to know about? Enlighten us with your E4 or possibly E5 knowledge. You sound much like a disgruntled 25B who's never had the chance to work in any real IT shop, and instead gets stuck doing the BS while the contractors get to do all the cool stuff. Also GS's don't do squat for "technical" work. They manage and do first level stuff only, anything else they run over to the nearest contractor and ask them how to do it. All serious technical work has been contracted out already to the major defense companies (BAE, STG, GD, L3, NG, ect) with different GS-13's put in charge of various sections to oversea the contract as a COR. Like the guy above me said, IMO's are barely even considered IT.
And you've demonstrated your lack of knowledge about the IT jobs already when you mentioned the Daegu line. If your ONLY looking at 8th Army and 1ST SIG, then yes you'd be thinking the Southern node data center and the TNOSC are the "big guys". Their not, there are several large contracts scattered all over the pen, some are Army, some are Navy / Air force, and a few are Joint. There is even something called the COVN-K which is a satellite system setup and run by NG to provide reach back capability to various units. The big center for all the tech guys is up in Seoul, but they have engineers scattered all around the ROK to support the field units. Do you know the guys working on the ASAS or JOPES systems? How about the SARSS or ULLS-G? Did you know that each of those systems have data center's (often sharing with others) here in the ROK. Those centers have contractors who manage those servers. Many of which require extensive experience within that program. The Government might hire / move someone into a GS/NSPS slot dealing with those and expect the unit to train them. Contracting companies aren't nearly as forgiving, they want you trained BEFORE their willing to hire you.
10:53 am on October 8th, 2009 48
I think Sowhat is right when he says most I.T. jobs can be filled by family members. After reading his posts he says "most" and not all I.T. jobs. The other jobs you mention in your post I have never heard of so they must be obscure jobs or people would have heard about them before.
1:07 pm on October 8th, 2009 49
And by what definition of "IT jobs" are you going by? Anything that deals with a computer? Please.
And the reason you don't hear about those other guys is because your not actually in the field and are unable to distinguish between the guy fixing your PC outside the gate, and the guy implementing a host based security solution (HBSS) which is now mandated by DISA.
Just like somehow the guy/gal doing IMO work is somehow considered a technical person (their not). Please leave the peanut gallery comments to the peanut gallery. We don't go around telling everyone else the ins / outs of their specialty's, don't go around telling us ours.
5:40 pm on October 8th, 2009 50
Well our IMO guy is a GS employee and is labeled an I.T. specialist so I guess I am going by the Army's definition. Computer people always think that they are 1 in a million or something you are living in the late 90's my friend.