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		<title>By: gerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except South Korea and North Korea are still technically at war and have never signed a peace treaty. Any crossing of the border by the south would be an act of war. 
 
 Not so China. The world would have its say as to weather South Korea broke the armistace and invaded the north, vs China again comming to the aide of their beleagured North Korean friends. 
 
Don&#039;t expect western media to be sympathetic to the US or South Korea. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except South Korea and North Korea are still technically at war and have never signed a peace treaty. Any crossing of the border by the south would be an act of war.</p>
<p> Not so China. The world would have its say as to weather South Korea broke the armistace and invaded the north, vs China again comming to the aide of their beleagured North Korean friends.</p>
<p>Don&#039;t expect western media to be sympathetic to the US or South Korea.</p>
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		<title>By: gerry</title>
		<link>http://rokdrop.com/2009/11/03/us-south-korea-announce-oplan-5029-revisions/comment-page-1/#comment-372188</link>
		<dc:creator>gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are talking about a war involving the US mainland, not an invasion of North Korea which is on Chinas border. 
 
Chinas military is shrinking in size people wise, and growing dramatically in training,(they now take only the best and brightest, because of the &#039;huge&#039; selection base and the decent pay).  Modern aircraft, weapons, missles, communication systems, and equipment such as armored vehicles, tanks, artillory, and numerous heavy weapons are already in the inventory or are being built in China. 
 
They will not go into battle with canvas shoes and not enough weapons and no food, radios or communication, such as during the Korean war of the 1950&#039;s. They will go into North Korea well trained, fed and supported, to a very mountainous terrain that will favor the defender. They build many of their own weapons and do not use the &quot;AK47&quot;. 
 
The Chinese fighters &#039;who have always been brave and courageous fighters&#039; will dig their tunnels, sneak up at night, and use their patriotism, to overwhelm any mediocre adversary. Their country and public will support them as they have a tightly controlled media. Ours will not. 
 
They &#039;may&#039; lose in the end militarily, but they have a history of turning world opinion to their side propoganda and political wise. The US has a poor track record in those areas. 
 
The US and South Korea may &quot;win&quot; a war with China over North Korea, but it will be very, very, bloody and at great cost financially, militarily, and politically. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are talking about a war involving the US mainland, not an invasion of North Korea which is on Chinas border.</p>
<p>Chinas military is shrinking in size people wise, and growing dramatically in training,(they now take only the best and brightest, because of the &#039;huge&#039; selection base and the decent pay).  Modern aircraft, weapons, missles, communication systems, and equipment such as armored vehicles, tanks, artillory, and numerous heavy weapons are already in the inventory or are being built in China.</p>
<p>They will not go into battle with canvas shoes and not enough weapons and no food, radios or communication, such as during the Korean war of the 1950&#039;s. They will go into North Korea well trained, fed and supported, to a very mountainous terrain that will favor the defender. They build many of their own weapons and do not use the &quot;AK47&quot;.</p>
<p>The Chinese fighters &#039;who have always been brave and courageous fighters&#039; will dig their tunnels, sneak up at night, and use their patriotism, to overwhelm any mediocre adversary. Their country and public will support them as they have a tightly controlled media. Ours will not.</p>
<p>They &#039;may&#039; lose in the end militarily, but they have a history of turning world opinion to their side propoganda and political wise. The US has a poor track record in those areas.</p>
<p>The US and South Korea may &quot;win&quot; a war with China over North Korea, but it will be very, very, bloody and at great cost financially, militarily, and politically.</p>
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		<title>By: theotherguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>theotherguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you don&#039;t think we&#039;d be doing the exact same thing?  Except in that scenario SK can actually cross over and act as a military peace keeping force.  The most China could do is support a local group who wants to take power.  But this isn&#039;t Iraq or the middle east where the people are used to fighting each other constantly.  This is East Asia where their brought up in a very authoritarian Confucian society.  The ROK&#039;s just march in and setup a new government making sure to prevent any would-be dictators from amassing power.  The people wouldn&#039;t turn into freedom fighters, hell all they do now is wonder where their next meal is from. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you don&#039;t think we&#039;d be doing the exact same thing?  Except in that scenario SK can actually cross over and act as a military peace keeping force.  The most China could do is support a local group who wants to take power.  But this isn&#039;t Iraq or the middle east where the people are used to fighting each other constantly.  This is East Asia where their brought up in a very authoritarian Confucian society.  The ROK&#039;s just march in and setup a new government making sure to prevent any would-be dictators from amassing power.  The people wouldn&#039;t turn into freedom fighters, hell all they do now is wonder where their next meal is from.</p>
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		<title>By: theotherguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>theotherguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because China&#039;s military force is mostly large but not well trained / equipped.  They don&#039;t have the ability to project military force, nor the ability to dominate the air / sea.  But they got the ground all covered and locked in. 
 
Basically this means it would be impossible to win against them in a ground war, but they lack the ability to strike back or cause significant damage to the US.  Basically they just sit there until we&#039;re tired of fighting them, then we go home, then they can call it a victory.  But insofar as actually attacking the US can causing damage, they are not able to do that with conventional weapons.  And they just recently gained ICBM nuclear capacity, something we&#039;ve had for decades.  And a nuclear war is the last thing China wants. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because China&#039;s military force is mostly large but not well trained / equipped.  They don&#039;t have the ability to project military force, nor the ability to dominate the air / sea.  But they got the ground all covered and locked in.</p>
<p>Basically this means it would be impossible to win against them in a ground war, but they lack the ability to strike back or cause significant damage to the US.  Basically they just sit there until we&#039;re tired of fighting them, then we go home, then they can call it a victory.  But insofar as actually attacking the US can causing damage, they are not able to do that with conventional weapons.  And they just recently gained ICBM nuclear capacity, something we&#039;ve had for decades.  And a nuclear war is the last thing China wants.</p>
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		<title>By: gerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If &#039;they&#039; invaded North Korea&quot;. Who is &#039;they&#039;? China? China could act in several scenerios to &#039;enhance&#039; their position, should the north begin to collapse. 
 
Collapse can take many forms, including infighting or rebellion. The Chinese need not invade so much as support the insiders of their choice or the rebellion from the outside, depending how they see the situation. 
 
Support can include military intelligence, volunteers from China of Korean ancestry, as well as food, fuel and arms (weapons, ammunition, tanks, even air support). Yet no &quot;Chinese&quot; troops would cross the border. 
 
Then what? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;If &#039;they&#039; invaded North Korea&quot;. Who is &#039;they&#039;? China? China could act in several scenerios to &#039;enhance&#039; their position, should the north begin to collapse.</p>
<p>Collapse can take many forms, including infighting or rebellion. The Chinese need not invade so much as support the insiders of their choice or the rebellion from the outside, depending how they see the situation.</p>
<p>Support can include military intelligence, volunteers from China of Korean ancestry, as well as food, fuel and arms (weapons, ammunition, tanks, even air support). Yet no &quot;Chinese&quot; troops would cross the border.</p>
<p>Then what?</p>
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		<title>By: gerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What makes you think &quot;they would have &#039;no way&#039; of winning&quot;? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes you think &quot;they would have &#039;no way&#039; of winning&quot;?</p>
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		<title>By: gerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hopefully we&#8217;ve learned from our mistakes.&quot; Uhhhh, don&#039;t count on it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Hopefully we&rsquo;ve learned from our mistakes.&quot; Uhhhh, don&#039;t count on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China doesn&#039;t want to be neighbors to US forces. If they invaded North Korea, then they would be neighbors to US forces in South Korea. China would prefer a buffer zone in North Korea, propped by a puppet regime. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China doesn&#039;t want to be neighbors to US forces. If they invaded North Korea, then they would be neighbors to US forces in South Korea. China would prefer a buffer zone in North Korea, propped by a puppet regime.</p>
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		<title>By: Juchechosunmanse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juchechosunmanse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, GI. It is completely counterproductive for the Americans to invade the DPRK in the event of a sudden collapse of the Kim dynasty. I&#039;d like to think that the South Korean army is capable of locating the WMDs and all those tasks you mentioned, should be handled by the South Koreans and the South Koreans only. As for China, I know some in the South Korean and the American intelligence and academic community have contemplating a possible Chinese invasion or intervention; however I doubt this is just SK/American speculation as no Chinese sources have indicated that the Chinese have such plans in place. And why would they? There is no doubt that China will beef up security in areas along the North Korean border, but what will China gain from invading/entering the DPRK? To install a pro-Chinese regime? I don&#039;t think the Chinese are that dumb, risking to antagonize 80 millions Koreans around the world and going against world public opinion. Of course China will not like seeing the Americans entering the DPRK, but even if the Americans did I have a feeling the Chinese will stay still. Chances are China will be negotiating with the South Koreans and the Americans secretly to make sure key Chinese interests in the DPRK will not be jeopardized and that&#039;s it. There is really not much that China can do (after weighing all the pros and cons). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, GI. It is completely counterproductive for the Americans to invade the DPRK in the event of a sudden collapse of the Kim dynasty. I&#039;d like to think that the South Korean army is capable of locating the WMDs and all those tasks you mentioned, should be handled by the South Koreans and the South Koreans only. As for China, I know some in the South Korean and the American intelligence and academic community have contemplating a possible Chinese invasion or intervention; however I doubt this is just SK/American speculation as no Chinese sources have indicated that the Chinese have such plans in place. And why would they? There is no doubt that China will beef up security in areas along the North Korean border, but what will China gain from invading/entering the DPRK? To install a pro-Chinese regime? I don&#039;t think the Chinese are that dumb, risking to antagonize 80 millions Koreans around the world and going against world public opinion. Of course China will not like seeing the Americans entering the DPRK, but even if the Americans did I have a feeling the Chinese will stay still. Chances are China will be negotiating with the South Koreans and the Americans secretly to make sure key Chinese interests in the DPRK will not be jeopardized and that&#039;s it. There is really not much that China can do (after weighing all the pros and cons).</p>
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		<title>By: tokyojesusfist</title>
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		<dc:creator>tokyojesusfist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would China really be insane enough to start a war against the US? I mean they might as well kill themselves because they have no chance of winning. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would China really be insane enough to start a war against the US? I mean they might as well kill themselves because they have no chance of winning.</p>
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