By UPDATE #2: As I have been saying:
Finnell said he did just that during a year of study in which Hasan made a presentation “that justified suicide bombing” and spewed “anti-American propaganda” as he argued the war on terror was “a war against Islam.” Finnell said he and at least one other student complained about Hasan, surprised that someone with “this type of vile ideology” would be allowed to wear an officer’s uniform.
But Finnell said no one filed a formal, written complaint about Hasan’s comments out of fear of appearing discriminatory.
“In retrospect, I’m not surprised he did it,” Finnell said. “I had real questions about what his priorities were, what his beliefs were.” [Associated Press]
Make sure to read the whole thing because it is clear that this is not a PTSD case but instead a SJS case (Sudden Jihad Syndrome).
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UPDATE: So much for the PTSD ticking time bomb theory:
Soldiers who witnessed the shooting rampage at Fort Hood that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted “Allahu Akbar!” before opening fire, the base commander said Friday. [Stars & Stripes]
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By now everyone has probably heard about the mass shooting in Ft. Hood, Texas. The shooting took place at what in the Army is called an SRP center. The SRP is where soldiers go to mobilize or demobilize before and after deployments. I actually did an SRP a few years back at Ft. Hood myself, but I have no idea if Ft. Hood is using the same building for SRP now or not. The shooter likely chose the spot because it was likely a large number of soldiers would be there to shoot. If the building is the same and it had a unit doing SRP in it this guy would have had many easy targets to shoot. So this guy had this thing planned out, he didn’t just suddenly snap. Speaking of the shooter it has been confirmed that he is alive and many other details about him are coming out:
A military doctor who reportedly feared an impending war deployment is in custody as the sole suspect in a shooting rampage at the Army’s Fort Hood that left 12 dead and at least 30 wounded, an Army official said Thursday night.
The news that the suspect, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, was alive and in stable condition, came as a sudden reversal of early reports that the gunman was among the dead.
“I would say his death is not imminent,” Lt. Gen. Bob Cone said. Col. Ben Danner said the suspect was shot at least four times.
Two other soldiers who were taken into custody as possible suspects were released Cone told reporters Thursday evening.
A female first responder who shot at Hasan and was previously thought to be dead, was also alive, Cone said.
Federal law enforcement officials say Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats. [Fox News]
I first heard of this shooting on the radio and of course people were speculating that the mass shooting was committed by a soldier affected with PTSD. This irresponsible speculation only further advances the stereotype that war veterans are all potential rapists and murderers just waiting to snap. Look at what this idiot had to say:
“I’m very upset. I’m at the point of tears,” said Paul Sullivan, executive director of Veterans for Common Sense, who lives in Austin.
“We warned the military about this. We warned the military about the need to increase the number of mental health care providers. We warned the military about lowering recruiting standards, about the medical exams for soldiers coming back from the war and needing mental health care and brain injury exams.”
“We have been working tirelessly to try to prevent this from happening,” he said. “This is so horrible. This is a tragedy.” [via This Ain't Hell]
Guess what this guy was a freaking psychiatrist, never deployed to Iraq, and graduated from Virgina Tech, which coincidentally is where the Cho Seung-hui mass killing occurred. Anyway this totally blows away all the false assumptions from Veterans for Common Sense idiot. It should come as no surprise that this “veterans group” is actually another leftist front group looking to slime the military.
I guess we are supposed to go duck under tables every time we hear a loud bang. We are supposed to stare off into space all the time and cannot sleep at night because of the nightmares of our war crimes. When someone makes us mad were supposed to go into a fit of rage and attack them and God forbid if we have a weapon handy we would then kill them. For those that haven’t already, I highly recommend reading B.G. Burkett’s book Stolen Valor to see exactly how the current perceptions of Vietnam veterans was created. It is really shocking and the same perceptions created about Vietnam veterans are now trying to be attributed to current war veterans as well. Of course I have shown before the PTSD ticking time bomb stereotype, is not true.
From what we know now this guy is psychologist that never deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan and has been possibly investigated before Islamic extremist Internet postings. So how come the media wasn’t speculating if this guy was an Islamic radical instead of a PTSD time bomb?
Anyway I did find it humorous that people are trying to defend him by claiming he was teased because he was of Middle Eastern descent. This guy is a grown man and a Major in the US Army, who is a doctor making a six figure salary, how many people could possibly be teasing him?
By the way, did anyone see Larry King, Dr. Phil and Shoshanna Johnson were supposedly defending this guy.
This crap pissess me off.
Anyway here is some more Milblog reaction to all of this:
11:14 pm on November 5th, 2009 1
Are guns allowed on bases? Did the other soldiers have guns to shoot him?
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November 6th, 2009 at 7:13 am
All weapons are locked in Arms rooms on base. Except for MPs, no soldier on post is armed. Vehicles are checked at the gate for weapons also.
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November 10th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
We have been asked if we had a weapon, but never have we been checked. With a Military ID, you just get in.
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November 10th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
I think we have a problem here. You were NEVER checked!!!
That needs to be reported.
I have had them tell me (ask) to get out of the car, open the trunk, open the hood, open the glove box and run a mirror under my car. But that was when I was active duty. Now that I’m retired, they call me Sir and wave me in. One even called me “Big Money”.
12:17 am on November 6th, 2009 2
Almost everything said now, this early, is pure speculation. Give this story time to get some real facts straight.
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12:19 am on November 6th, 2009 3
continued … That should be obvious from the number of corrections to earlier reports put out already.
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12:52 am on November 6th, 2009 4
“Are guns allowed on bases?”
The only personnel allowed to openly display weapons on the base are military police. Personal weapons must be kept locked and registered with the base provost marshal. The military police keep a record of all of the weapons on a base.
So no, they did not have weapons to return fire with unless they were violating the Army gun control regulations.
Once again we see that Gun Control laws and regulations do nothing to inhibit mentally unstable people and criminals from perpatrating acts of violence with firearms. I am sure they will take on a weapons citation to his 12 counts of 1st degree homocide when they indite him.
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4:27 am on November 6th, 2009 5
My guess right now is that he had a religious awakening and decided to declare Jihad on anyone within shooting range. It’s not like it hasn’t happened plenty of times before.
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4:27 am on November 6th, 2009 6
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, a 39-year-old from Virginia, the suspect of the Ft. Hood massacre and Cho, Seung-hui the Virginia Tech University student(guilty of another massacre) both went to V. Tech.
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4:28 am on November 6th, 2009 7
He is a Muzzer.
According to Muzzer belief, if he got killed, he would have 70 virgins waiting for him. I say dig a hole, drop him in alive, and drop a few pigs in there too. Then bury them alive. Poor pigs..
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November 6th, 2009 at 8:34 am
easy do not get angry when you write it is a discussion you know pigs bring cancer if you eat better stop that all holly books confirm that
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November 6th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
How about wiping your arse with your hand or buggering young boys? THOSE are healthy lifestyles, aren’t they?
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November 7th, 2009 at 6:56 am
Can we get AbDull off here. Jeez, either the most annoying troll ever or the most annoying apologist. Either way, enough-spamming-comments.
You’re not gonna sell me on your religion cuz. I don’t like ANY of them. And I’ve seen your religions’ “good works”.
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4:49 am on November 6th, 2009 8
Funny thing.
When I joined the Army even during the tail end of the COLD War one of the things you were asked was:
“Are you, or have you ever been, a member of the communist party?”
I think that was likely a pretty prudent question given the times. I am quite certain there were communists who were good loyal Americans whom were prevented from serving. Also, I’m certain it was appropriate that an affirmative answer could preclude you from joining the military. Then again, communists were not generally known to be candidates to go about on shooting rampages and suicide bombings. I guess communism just wasn’t THAT important to them.
Have we forgotten past lessons learned – so easily? Or, is this more political correctness. How many troops will die in incidents like this for that warm Feel Good Glow of Doing The “Right Thing”.
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November 6th, 2009 at 7:16 am
PC—PC—PC—PC
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November 7th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
“Then again, communists were not generally known to be candidates to go about on shooting rampages and suicide bombings. I guess communism just wasn’t THAT important to them.”
Most of the terrorist organizations in Europe held Communists ideologies — the Baader-Meinhofs, for a prominent example. Also, most of the terrorist/freedom-fighter violent organizations of minority cultural nationalists, like the IRA and Basques, were based on Marxist ideologies, because Marxism gave a very productive historical grounding for their goals.
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5:51 am on November 6th, 2009 9
Being an American Muslim does not predispose you to shooting your comrades any more than being a Christian Fundamentalist makes you a risk for abortion clinic bombings. They are both equally unwelcome and if you must ask a question then it would be: “Are you now or have you ever been a member of an organized religion”. It is the broken fairytale belief systems that prey on the week minds of the mentally unstable that makes this kind of stuff happen. Since it would not be in keeping with the constitution to exclude certain belief systems then perhaps money needs to be spent to identify and controling the mentally unstable before they can act out against society. Cho Seung-hui was not a Muslim and his religous beliefs were never even mentioned during the entire discourse… only that the “system had failed”. A 21st century McCarthy witchhunt for Islamic Extremists would do much more harm to everyone involved and just make us the losers.
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November 6th, 2009 at 7:37 am
I disagree with you.
Religion and islam in 2009 are NOT the same thing. Not for ME!
Money needs to be spent? WTF is wrong with YOU? Sound like a liberal.
Christians did not send mortors in my direction. Muslims sent mortors in my direction.
I don’t care if your a member of a religion UNLESS it is Islam. Then I’m concerned.
Babble all you want, christians never tried to kill me. Muslims did.
END OF STORY!
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November 6th, 2009 at 7:48 am
Yeah- the GOOD ones won’t saw your head off on al Jazeera… they’ll just turn you over to someone who will.
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November 6th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
I was speaking of OUR society. The United States of America and the people who are protected by what is left of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Of course people from other societies and cultures who intend to impose their values and belief systems on us rightly deserve to be turned into paste via carpet bombing.
A mentally unstable American Muslim, born and raised in the US, is no more or less likely to go on a shooting rampage than if he was a mentally unstable American Adventist. To look at the guys name and say “Ahhh, that explains it” even before it was revealed that he wasn’t even dead seems to me to be more than a little prejudice. A large number of comments I have read on various blogs and news sites show an extreme amount of prejudice and hate based solely on the suggestion that this person might be a Muslim.
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November 6th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Here is list of some serious mass shootings in recent years compiled by the AP. Does this support a call to screen people of any certain belief system and exclude them from military service? Muslim, Baptist… AMISH??? All these people were mentally and emotionally damaged… but I do support the idea that religous beliefs can push mentally unstable indiviuals into action of this kind. The inability of the individual to seperate fantasy from reality is scewed further becasue their paticular religous cohorts reinforce the belief that what the religion says is reality. If you firmly believe in life after death and all your buddies says it’s true then how would this affect your actions when it came to assaulting and killing people????
Nov. 5, 2009: The Army says 13 people were killed and 30 wounded in a shooting rampage at its Fort Hood base in Texas. The suspect in the shootings, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, was wounded and is hospitalized.
April 3, 2009: A 41-year-old man opened fire at an immigrant community center in Binghamton, N.Y., killing 11 immigrants and two workers. Jiverly Wong, a Vietnamese immigrant and a former student at the center, killed himself as police rushed to the scene.
March 10, 2009: Michael McLendon, 28, killed 10 people, including his mother, four other relatives and the wife and child of a local sheriff’s deputy, across two rural Alabama counties. He then committed suicide.
Feb. 14, 2008: Former student Steven Kazmierczak, 27, opened fire in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University in DeKalb, fatally shooting five students and wounding 18 others before committing suicide.
Dec. 5, 2007: 19-year-old Robert A. Hawkins opened fire with a rifle in Omaha, Neb., at a Von Maur store in the Westroads Mall, killing eight people before taking his own life. Five more people were wounded, two critically.
April 16, 2007: Cho Seung-Hui, 23, fatally shot 32 people in a dorm and a classroom at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, then killed himself in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.
Feb. 12, 2007: 18-year-old Sulejman Talovic killed five and wounded four at the Trolley Square mall in Salt Lake City, Utah. He was then shot and killed by police.
Oct. 2, 2006: Charles Carl Roberts IV, 32, shot to death five girls at West Nickel Mines Amish School in Pennsylvania, then killed himself.
March 21, 2005: 16-year-old student Jeffrey Weise killed nine people, including his grandfather and his grandfather’s companion at home, and then five fellow students, a teacher and a security guard at Red Lake High School in Red Lake, Minnesota, before killing himself. Seven students were wounded.
March 12, 2005: Terry Ratzmann, 44, gunned down members of his congregation as they worshipped at the Brookfield Sheraton in Brookfield, Wisconsin, slaying seven and wounding four before killing himself.
July 29, 1999: Former day trader Mark Barton, 44, killed nine people in shootings at two Atlanta, Georgia, brokerage offices, then committed suicide.
April 20, 1999: Students Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, opened fire at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, killing 12 classmates and a teacher and wounding 26 others before committing suicide in the school’s library.
March 24, 1998: Andrew Golden, 11, and Mitchell Johnson, 13, killed four girls and a teacher at a Jonesboro, Arkansas, middle school. 10 others were wounded in the shooting.
Oct. 27, 1995: A one-time Army paratrooper killed a fellow soldier and wounded nearly 20 others in a sniper attack at Fort Bragg, N.C. William Kreutzer, who is serving a life sentence, wounded most of the soldiers as they left an athletic field.
June 20, 1994: Former airman Dean A. Mellberg sprayed a military hospital with bullets at Fairchild Air Force Base in Spokane, Wash., killing four people and wounding 23 others before military police shot him to death. Two of those killed in the five-minute rampage were therapists who had recommended Mellberg’s discharge.
Oct. 18, 1993: A civilian Army base supply clerk killed his boss and two co-workers and severely wounded two others at the Training Support Center in Fort Knox, Ky. Arthur Hill then drove 40 miles to the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Louisville, where he committed suicide.
October 16, 1991: George Hennard, 35, smashed his pickup truck through a Luby’s Cafeteria window in Killeen, Texas, and fired on the lunchtime crowd with a high-powered pistol, killing 22 people. At least 20 others were wounded.
November 6th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Good list and a hell of a reminder to be alert for Bad Guys- whomever they might be.
I’m not going condemn this dip shot for being a Moslem but I won’t give him props either- it was likely a factor- but the fact that he was nucking futs AND had displayed other “doesn’t play well with others” factors were all indicators. That he made public statements in support of the enemy, against his own side, and was STILL promoted to field grade gives me such great encouragement that the system works.
That said- he just played one for the other side of this fight, so he can -and should- fry.
November 6th, 2009 at 10:28 am
“Being an American Muslim does not predispose you to shooting your comrades any more than being a Christian Fundamentalist makes you a risk for abortion clinic bombings.”
Except it does. You might as well claim that being in Iraq doesn’t make you any more likely to die a violent death than in Tokyo.
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6:17 am on November 6th, 2009 10
His family is just making excuses for his actions. He killed with malice and premeditation. No matter what his religion is he is unworthy of being called human.
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6:21 am on November 6th, 2009 11
In the name of God the Merciful
Not even clear who did this work bad I do not think that this doctor did this and maybe the media is trying Itakzmn this news hurts the reputation of Muslims in addition to trick the American people, opposition to the war and to convince the opponents need to send more troops to Iraq and Afghanistan, and why?
For there is in America’s class authoritarian and influence in the White House can only survive in time of war because war brings her material interests and on the shoulders of the poor soldiers of the American people and the bodies of the innocent people of Iraq if yes they will lose their influence in time of peace and outs ordered them to have described God in the Holy Quran in Surat no 5 verse 65 Every time they kindled the fire of war, Allah extinguished it; and they (ever) strive to make mischief on earth. And Allah does not like the Mufsidun (mischief-makers).
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November 6th, 2009 at 7:21 am
What?
Allah what?
Haji said what?
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November 6th, 2009 at 7:34 am
Eat sh!t and die.
I am one of those “poor soldiers” you are talking about. I can’t count how many guys I knew who were on repeat tours over there to keep putting the hurt on booger eating savages- and be good friends with those local citizens who wanted to STOP the damn madness. These were guys who fought the system to GO BACK to the war.
Your buddies were the ones who left “innocent Iraqi bodies”. We helped those in need.
All I need to know about you and yours was made blatantly clear on Sept 11 2001.
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6:30 am on November 6th, 2009 12
I hope they make him eat a ham sandwich when he feels better! Muslims are forbidden by God to eat the meat of the pig (pork). He broke his oath of “Do no Harm.” So I would love to feed him ham and break his oath as a muslim. I was stationed at Ft Hood and I feel so bad and I pray for everyone. I also pray the Major gets his and fry like bacon!
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6:32 am on November 6th, 2009 13
What kind of butter-snap shit-f%#kery are you babling about Abdall? If you must assault us with your conspiracy theory propaganda at least have the common courtesy to edit your blather after you run it through the google translator. Make an effort man!!!
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8:00 am on November 6th, 2009 14
to clowning_oder and junior peace up you yes i used google to transalate it is mean of contact like openig
dictionary i am not asult you but i know people in your
country do not want this war even your president obama
and mr junior i remind you there are many trouble in other part of the world but your government do not send troops because no oil if you can not read what is written about war in Iraq or Afghan please go to amercan thinker and learn
mr clowning_oder i am not using google but
read this by google translate
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
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8:03 am on November 6th, 2009 15
to clowning_oder and junior peace up you yes i used google to transalate it is mean of contact like opening
dictionary i am not asult you but i know people in your
country do not want this war even your president obama
and mr junior i remind you there are many trouble in other part of the world but your government do not send troops because no oil if you can not read what is written about war in Iraq or Afghan please go to amercan thinker and learn
mr clowning_oder i am not using google but
read this by google translate
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
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November 6th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
I think we should find and crush your little buddies wherever those roaches might be- Iraq, A’stan, Philadelphia, Toronto… Or they can embrace the light and stop blowing themselves and others up. Like you said, there is OIL in them thar hills- why don’t you make some damn $$$ from it? Or you can blame others who can plan past lunch tomorrow for being superior to you and your kind.
Put that in your hookah and smoke it.
We go where we have interests. If a bunch of savages are slaughtering each other in a sand pile in a remote area of the world which has no regional significance, let alone world significance, we’ll help quell the problem if we aren’t busy somewhere else. But if we’re busy with something which might even HELP us in the long or short run, we’ll pay more attention to that and let those butt clowns get on with the whole Darwin thing.
I don’t think one American is worth losing over any of your savage little places, but if that savage little place is strategically significant, we’re there.
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November 7th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
you say bunch of savage i think you do not read
your history or may be you try to get the green
card and showing you love America to get gredit
for what you say but real citizen of America who bring peace and harmony to their community like doctors and scientist and many of U S university has people from what you call them savage and teach and bring progress to the world go and GET YOUR GREEN CARD YOU NEED TO ANSWER MANY QUESTION IF YOU CAN NOT ANS COME BACK I GIVE YOU ANSWERS YOU ARE NOT AMERICAN
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November 6th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
This has a nice ring to it…I think Adball might be onto to something here!
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November 6th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
I think I like it.
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8:09 am on November 6th, 2009 16
Eat your god damned oil.
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November 6th, 2009 at 8:25 am
i am poor have no oil the oil is liquid can only
be drink and you will remember of what i say just
think alone and not with drinking bear .your country are rich country of many things and care of yourself you will have no unemployment and do not let stupid backward shakes and corrupt party use to guard them
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November 6th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
It’s sarcasm.
But please, go ahead. Choke on it.
We have enough of our own if we’d just drill for it
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8:44 am on November 6th, 2009 17
Back on topic here:
I certainly hope this shitbag gets the death penalty under UCMJ. I think the military might go for that on this one. But, are we limited to lethal injection? I’m thinking firing squad or hanging would be better.
Or we could just tattoo a big American flag on his ass and turn him loose naked in one of the many shitholes were his “people”, his”brothers” live. They’ll take care of it real quick, and he might have a spark of wisdom just before his agonizing decent into permanent, empty oblivion.
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November 6th, 2009 at 9:30 am
he only dies when moment come not before nor after
but for those who die they are lucky ones because they do not like to kill innocent people even you Leon LaPorte better American leave others country choose or not to choose and if American do this you will be the richest people on earth
time of death and place are unknown it is written bye
allah when and where
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
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November 6th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Let’s talk about who is innocent and who isn’t. But you can’t. Your buddies were all a bunch of poossies who hid out behind otherwise decent people who were just trying to get on with their lives.
I remember their fear- and it wasn’t fear of me or my friends.
I remember your buddies too.
I hope they remember me, too, every night when the Bad Man comes.
Some can’t, though.
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10:51 am on November 6th, 2009 18
Funny thing, Christians tried to kill my grandfather during WW2. They did manage to kill quite a few of his buddies while they were at it.
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November 6th, 2009 at 11:17 am
religion is out of this because when devil order man to kill man is out of control whether he is Christians or any other religion what happen in ww2 was politic and because land and cash of course there are idiots use this to justify their war against other country like bush when he invade Iraq said it is crucified war and media correct this him by saying slip of a tongue but if your in self defense religion allows to use faith to protect your self
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November 6th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Bush is BAD!! Bush is BAD!!
Say it! Say it! If you say it enough, the Rainbow Unicorn Huggers will join you!!!
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November 6th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
JohnT
Can you be a little more clear about the Christian trying to kill your grandfather who, what, when, why, etc. Did it happen in Korea?
Your statement has me totally lost.
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November 6th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Here is a gem of a quote from Adolph Hitler. Perhaps you have heard of his adventures in Europe during the 1930’s and 40’s.
“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. .. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison.”
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November 6th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
So, from your post you must think that JohnT’s grandfather was Jewish and it was the Christian Germans who tried to kill him. Is this right JohnT?
November 6th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
JohT, try and make some sence.
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12:21 pm on November 6th, 2009 19
You obviously missed the whole point.
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November 6th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
please tell me how
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November 8th, 2009 at 5:53 am
Your Grandfather would have missed your point as well. It wasn’t a religious war. It was an ideological one.
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2:16 pm on November 6th, 2009 20
This is exactly what the terrorists want. I just saw something about this on the news less than a month ago. They were predicting a homegrown terrorist attack and sure enough, here it is.
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7:09 pm on November 6th, 2009 21
I read an interesting piece on this earlier. The mindset of this wacko is that by killing the soldiers he is saving the lives of other muslims that the soldiers would have in turn killed.
What he has really done is create more hatred of muslims.
I’m not religious, and don’t go to church, but I still find humor in the fact that Jesus died for his followers, but allah wants you to die for him. If I need a religion, I think I’ll choose one where I can continue to live.
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November 6th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Allah wants you to die for him means you do not take
law in your hands and must follow quran (And do not kill anyone which Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause. And whoever is killed (intentionally with hostility and oppression and not by mistake), We have given his heir the authority [(to demand Qisas, Law of Equality in punishment or to forgive, or to take Diya (blood money)]. But let him not exceed limits in the matter of taking life (i.e he should not kill except the killer only). Verily, he is helped (by the Islamic law). Surat Al-’Isrā’ 17.36 and there is more in qu ran about this
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November 7th, 2009 at 4:37 am
“just cause”
Just cause for muzzers = being women or children
To the king of the muzzers, mohamudd, children are also good for “other things”.
SICK
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November 7th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Abdall
You are not helping your “cause”. The more I read from you, the more I dislike your religion and you.
As if that were possible.
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November 7th, 2009 at 10:03 am
you are free to like or dislike and this
normal do not hurt me but the strange things some people make war and trouble and send their boys to desert far away from their country and claim they are doing the right things and try to convince the world of this and they find many idiots who follow them and later find out that they were mislead they brings their boys from iraq and afgan after they killed thousands and rape and came with their hands cut or legs or blind or mentely ill those poor young boys they are human being why send them for stupid cause and call it freedom
Allah never lets those tyrants escape and the will they face the true court in life and after life and from koran 14:42
Consider not that Allah is unaware of that which the Zalimun (polytheists, wrong-doers, etc.) do, but He gives them respite up to a Day when the eyes will stare in horror.
TO Retired GI with best wishes
November 7th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Abba doo doo
Thanks for your insight, but I gotta go- late for my infidel raping appointment with the other idiots.
I think I’ll wash the care after that…
November 8th, 2009 at 4:58 am
your not one of them your a nice person
but remember GOD knows every
7:30 pm on November 6th, 2009 22
I think that the fact that the Major was taken down by a woman shows that he was on the wrong side of Ali. And what was that he was buying in the store earlier that day. A bottle of wine and some ham? I know it is common in the Middle East for 1st cousins to marry, and often this results in some crazy kids. I wonder if his parents were close relatives?
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7:42 pm on November 6th, 2009 23
Here is the Larry King video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae8qYjrh_gw
I find it ironic that Dr. Phil says it is irresponsible to bring up the guys Islamic background but it isn’t irresponsible to speculate that soldiers are PTSD time bombs.
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7:59 pm on November 6th, 2009 24
That was just terrible.
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8:10 pm on November 6th, 2009 25
[...] proprietor of milblog ROK Drop calls BS: I guess we are supposed to go duck under tables every time we hear a loud bang. We are supposed to [...]
8:13 pm on November 6th, 2009 26
Here are some views on this if this was crime or terrorism:
http://www.theweek.com/article/index/102544/Fort_Hood_Crime_or_terrorism
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10:47 pm on November 6th, 2009 27
A guy goes postal because of religion, ethnicity, nationalism or whatever issues and it’s an indictment of everyone with any those associations? All Muslims are evil? What are you going to do? Round them all up and send them to concentration camps? We have thousands of Muslims in the military. What are you going to do? Colin Powell spoke out for them during last year’s election.
We have never been able to satisfy the demand for Middle East linguists. What are we going to do? Iraq? Afghanistan? Hearts and minds? Mediating peace between Arabs and Israelis? Lost causes? Stop wasting time and money? Pull the troops out now?
I grew up in Brooklyn, New York. In the summer of 2002, almost a year after 9/11, I went back for a family funeral. I still remember a day that put things back together for me. I was standing at a corner waiting for a bus. Looking across the street, there was a Korean market which brought my attention to my return to Korea. At that moment, two men crossed paths in front of that store. One was a Hasidic (orthodox) Jew and the other in traditional Muslim robe and cap. They didn’t give each other a second look and apparently no one else did either. It shouldn’t have been surprising to me because growing up there I knew that was common. But after 9/11, I thought it was unexpected. I had been away too long.
I later talked to family and friends and learned that after 9/11 there were some anti-Islamic outbursts but things soon returned to normal. In New York, everyone has to go to school and work with people of all different religious and ethnic groups. You start to identify people by their individual character and not their group identity. You can find people who are funny, interesting, jerks, racists or just a$$holes in all groups. I have found the New York experience is also true in the military. The big difference for me between New York and the military is a lot less group-think in New York. It’s not uncommon to see Muslims stand up and defend Jews against other Muslims and visa-versa.
On the subject of all Muslims are evil, let me start by saying that I am not a religious person. I can get along with anyone of any faith as long as they don’t start preaching to me. I am, however, a passive observer of how people express their faith. I have known many Muslims over the years. The traditional, orthodox ones are easy to recognize in full garb. At the same time, I think they feel the need to represent their orthodoxy. They will try to preach to you. But most of the Muslims I know are very secular. You would never know it when first meeting them. You know it when you find out about their personal restrictions. Don’t invite them to a barbecue because they don’t drink alcohol and the don’t eat pork. Otherwise, they are cool. They don’t abuse their wives and the Americanized Muslim women I know are very liberated and outspoken.
Then there are the people who identify themselves as Muslims from tradition or heritage, but not by practice. How many of you knew that some of the so called juicy girls in the bars were also Muslim? Maybe near half of the girls from Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan were Muslim. Maybe a tenth of the girls from the Philippines were Muslim; from the southern regions like Mindanao. They have been known to drink vodka, soju, and beer and are great guests at BBQs.
Secular and non-practicing Muslims are not easily radicalized. But, I imaging if you constantly denigrate them, their beliefs or their heritage, they can become radical. Come to think of it, so can Christians, Jews, Buddhists . . .
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11:01 pm on November 6th, 2009 28
Oh, for…’s sake. The racist comments are a bit much.
Some of you guys really need to chill.
“So how come the media wasn’t speculating if this guy was an Islamic radical instead of a PTSD time bomb?”
Not that we know if either are true or not (you don’t have to have been to Iraq to have PTSD)…but, it’s safe to say that he’s insane, no matter how he rationalizes his crime.
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November 7th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Let me guess you believe he received PTSD because some dumb ass keyed his car then?
This guy has never deployed and worked a cush job in DC. He does not have PTSD. He has SJS (Sudden Jihad Syndrome). The reports are slowly coming out about this guy’s Islamic extremist beliefs.
The warning signs were all there about this guy but because of the PC nature of the Army just like the PC nature of the media no one wanted to call this guy what he is and get him out of the Army. Instead they just moved the problem to someone else, Ft. Hood where now 13 soldiers are dead because of it.
Could you imagine what would happen if an officer got up and gave presentations that bombing abortion clinics and murdering abortion doctors is justified? Or how about an officer counseling their soldiers that bombing abortion clinics and killing gays is justified? Heck look at what happened to this Air Force Colonel for sending out a religious email:
http://rokdrop.com/2009/02/10/air-force-colonel-criticized-for-pushing-religion-on-subordinates/
I can guarantee that if some wacky Christian went on a shooting rampage and shot a bunch of people at a gay convention while yelling anti-gay crap the media and everyone else would not say lets not jump to conclusions. They would be saying a radical ideology led the person to commit the crime and that is what happened in the Hasan case.
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November 7th, 2009 at 9:50 am
“Let me guess you believe he received PTSD because some dumb ass keyed his car then? ”
No, my point is that we just don’t know. It will take at least a couple of weeks for a psychiatrist to figure him out, but…
Just because the guy is smart doesn’t mean he’s all there. Remember the university professor went on a shooting spree at a university in Montreal about 20 years ago? What about the Unabomber?
Some crazies kill because they believe their dog told them to, others do so because they believe they are doing God’s work. Whatever his motives may have been, he’s still nuts.
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November 7th, 2009 at 10:04 am
“I can guarantee that if some wacky Christian went on a shooting rampage and shot a bunch of people at a gay convention while yelling anti-gay crap the media and everyone else would not say lets not jump to conclusions. They would be saying a radical ideology led the person to commit the crime and that is what happened in the Hasan case.”
No, I’d say that radical ideologies tend to attract the craziest of people.
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November 7th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Oh no you don’t! This guy is NOT insane. He planned in advance. Bought the FN Herstal Five-seven back in august. Gave his stuff away that morning. His actions were calculated and planned. Well planed!
He is misdirected, filled with religious hate. But he is NOT insane.
Fox has been speculating on the islamic radical issue. Change the channel.
PTSD? He was never there. As an O.I.F. Vet, I am offended greatly at the very suggestion.
This Officer is NOT insane. He is a Radical Islamic. Nothing more and nothing less. Period.
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November 7th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Ever read The Tell-tale Heart?
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November 7th, 2009 at 9:54 am
My point is, crazy people can also be calculating and obsessed with details. Remember Ted Bundy? Smart, organized, charming, …and totally out of his mind.
November 7th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
teadrinker
My point is this SOB knew what he was doing, planned it out in a logical manner. His reason was that of religious teaching. Right or wrong doesn’t matter at this point. But insane he is NOT! Misguided of course, but NOT insane. He knew and understood his actions and should be held accountable. No “insanity pleas”.
November 7th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Maybe, but anyone who does anything like this for religious purposes is not right in the head.
November 8th, 2009 at 8:50 am
I don’t think this guy is insane, I just think he is a loser and radical Islam was something that allowed him to blame all his own personal problems on someone else. He is a loser like John Walker Lindh and Adam Gadahn.
11:03 pm on November 6th, 2009 29
Turns out that Muhammud married a 6 year old girl, and then when he felt she was ready to be a “woman” she lived in his house. She was 9. A reliion that supports raping children. Muhammusism is sick.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.htm
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November 7th, 2009 at 12:24 am
lordoffe2 i think you do not kwnow people talking
about read the news or let some read for you
Mohammad is prophet and prophet has many enemies
during their life time and after you like to be his
enemy it is up to you and know what happen to you
after death
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November 7th, 2009 at 4:41 am
After death, I will go to Heaven.
I know I will go to Heaven, do you? Someday Heaven and Hell will be at war, so I will see you then for sure. Just like in IRAQ the good guys will win. GOD and JUSTICE always wins in the end over terrorism, homorape, druggies, child rapers (Mommahud married a 6 year old toddiler).
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November 7th, 2009 at 5:28 am
if you go to heaven then you must be doing what Allah say
if your lair
Allah can punish if you make trouble in
internet and make bad language Allah want
you to be good and give you time to think
If continue to hostility to Islam God charges you will not be able Impunity
you do not need someone to take your question to Allah just ask Allah hear you
and see you and know what you and what you hide
whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqun [the pious and righteous persons who fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allah much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)].
November 8th, 2009 at 2:02 am
“if you continue to hostility to Islam ..”
I have no hostility to Muzzers. I show my love for muzzers by taking the qoran and using it as TP. A little bit rough, but it works.
November 8th, 2009 at 4:51 am
soon Allah will punish you will see that
and you can not defend yourself by any
means
11:24 pm on November 6th, 2009 30
Why is it that people assume someone is insane when they go on a killing rampage like this. You know, sometimes people do really shitty things just because they’re bad. People are selfish, willing to internalize perceived wrongs, and willing to hurt others, even kill, in order to make themselves feel better. Stop calling it crazy and call it what it is, being human. Of course, not everyone shows the willingness to go guns ablazing to satisfy their sense of self-importance. Could be a mere combination of motive and opportunity or it could be something we like to call a sense of morality, cultivated through education to do other than what our base humanity would otherwise lead us to do.
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November 7th, 2009 at 12:59 am
Absolutely. Hell, it MIGHT even be because of his Muslim beliefs. He might have been bright eyed sane and on his own personal jihad (if that’s possible).
I see a pattern.
1. Something BAD happens (or sometimes luckily thwarted)
2. A name comes out, has a Muslim sound to it.
The Good and Enlightened People on the InterwebTubes and TV start cranking it out: “Let’s not jump to conclusions!”
3. It turns out the person is, in fact, a muslim. The Good and Enlightened People on the InterwebTubes and TV start cranking it out: “Let’s not jump to conclusions!”
4. Authorities determine it WAS a terrorist incident.
The Good and Enlightened People on the InterwebTubes and TV start cranking it out: “Let’s not jump to conclusions!”
5. Ad nauseum…
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November 7th, 2009 at 10:00 am
“Of course, not everyone shows the willingness to go guns ablazing to satisfy their sense of self-importance.”
But, he’s a psychiatrists/psychologists (still not clear to me)…They tend to be a bit more introspective than that.
I still think he’s nuts.
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November 7th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
EXACTLY, Mr.Chips. People sometimes confuse insanity with evil.
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November 7th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
What he did was his own personel “Muslim Jihad”. “Allahu akbar” was clearly heard from his lips before the firing began, by soldiers on location.
He murdered unarmed soldiers wearing the same uniform as he.
The only reason for his action was his religious beliefs.
He is a “radical Islamic” otherwise know as a Murderer.
The army was aware of his beliefs and did nothing.
Political Correctness had a hand in the deaths because of the reluctance of the military to take action. I look forward sadly to watching the cover up as it unfolds.
My opinion is formed from watching the reports and follow up news coverage.
How there can be any questions of his motive, sanity or reason for this action is beyond my understanding.
It was a Terrorist act, performed by a very sane and motivated Terrorist.
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8:14 am on November 7th, 2009 31
I watched the news once about some guys killed in Iraq. I think I caught the PTSD. Guess I will have to be careful not to do terrible things. I wonder if I can get the VA to have this disorder be service connected when I retire? Oh wait a minute, my dad was in vietnam, maybe he passed some immunity along to me. I hope they don’t have any real tests to determine if I really have it, I can always use it as an excuse when I do bad things.
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11:37 am on November 7th, 2009 32
OK. RetiredGI said Christians never tried to kill him, Muslims did.
My point is that my grandfather, a WW2 vet and a Christian, was being shot at by fellow Christians who also happened to off a bunch of his buddies.
Oh, and any moron that says all holy books say pork is dirt, bda or whatever should read the New Testament.
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4:07 pm on November 7th, 2009 33
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2004/05/11/the-video.php
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4:12 pm on November 7th, 2009 34
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Pearl
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4:14 pm on November 7th, 2009 35
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November 8th, 2009 at 1:33 am
Muslims cut the heads off of how many?
How did the Muslims kill so many on 9/11?
Don’t Muslims kill Jews?
Do Muslims try to integrate into any society?
Right after 9/11 everyone rightfully hated Muslims, now everyone is afraid to hurt their feelings. If UBL would have run for POTUS, the stupid Americans probably would have voted for him.
Too bad so many have forgotten 9/11.
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November 8th, 2009 at 5:12 am
Muslims are peaceful people if some Muslim do
bad things this represent the one who did it like
the American who kill in Iraq and afghan they do not represent Christian or American people you must read what Cloying_Odor wrote in this forum and you find out
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November 8th, 2009 at 5:49 am
World wide Religious fights.
Islam versus Christian: USA, Europe, Iraq/A-land, Somalia, Africa in general, USA, Europe, Russia.
Islam versus Hindu: India, Pakistan.
Islam versus Buddhist: Thailand, Malaysia, indonesia.
Islam versus Judaism: Israel, US.
Islam versus atheism: China, Russia
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So who has the problem? Let’s meet at a mosque, any US state. We can’t meet at a Church in almost any Islamic country, not if we wish to live.
November 8th, 2009 at 7:42 am
to Hamilton all things said are true it happened
and it happening now you know it is because of land /afghan they did not come to US to fight and Iraq din not come to fight US and the British went to
afghan country to occupy before 200 years but
they lost all their thirty thousands soldiers also Russia went their and now many country
they go to fight afghan and one can find out
those rich people go fight poor people they bring
reason why they doing this but what reason they
did before 200 years ? and before 30 years ?
facts we must face man we they got power they
go find someone to test his power and choose
weaker person to win the battle easy why strong country do not fight same strong because
they can not win this happen in your own street or school big guy like control and so on Islam is the last religion has peace in side for those who want to follow and permit to follower to defend themselves
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9:27 pm on November 7th, 2009 36
Psychotic and out of touch with reality, depressed and feeling hopeless, or a psychopath who enjoys killing.
“It’s always going to be one of these three.”
There you have it. As I was saying, he isn’t right in the head.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/07/earlyshow/saturday/main5563817.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody
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November 8th, 2009 at 1:50 am
Suicide Bombers, People who hijack passenger jets and intentionally crash them. They are no different than Hassan.
Hey idiots (administrator) didn’t the US invade Afghanistan because of these people? The only fing difference is Hassan didn’t have others with him. The Muslims are still praising the actions of this guy and consider him a hero. To our faces they denounce the actions, but get news from the mid east. Don’t think this guy acted alone, all muslims want to kill infidels, read the koran for Christ’s sake. The koran commands and sanctions for the destruction of everyone who doesn’t convert to islam! Why won’t you believe what it. Are you too ignorant to read and comprehend what is written in so many other historical text? Read the chapter of the Bible titled Joshua, but try to understand what is written. Its all there, but now people just want to “eat icing”.
I don’t care anymore. I hope the USA keeps getting attacked and your family gets killed and thousands and thousands and thousands get killed by muslims because they are too stupid to know whats going on. America, as a whole, must have a hole in its head.
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November 8th, 2009 at 4:25 am
“Suicide Bombers, People who hijack passenger jets and intentionally crash them. They are no different than Hassan. ”
Yes, they are all crazy.
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November 8th, 2009 at 5:33 am
Sorry, not crazy but evil. We have lost the ability to talk about evil. Mass murderer, “no way”, just misunderstood. People made fun of him.
November 8th, 2009 at 10:05 am
but some ignorant do not even read or try to read and do not even follow what god say they claim
false story and write here better go to school and learn
to those who do not know about Jesus in Koran
below verses from Koran
And indeed, We gave Musa (Moses) the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers. And We gave ‘Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel) ]. Is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some, you disbelieved and some, you killed.
“We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma’il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya’qub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and ‘Iesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam).”
Then when ‘Iesa (Jesus) came to know of their disbelief, he said: “Who will be my helpers in Allah’s Cause?” Al-Hawariun (the disciples) said: “We are the helpers of Allah; we believe in Allah, and bear witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allah).”
And because of their saying (in boast), “We killed Messiah ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah,” – but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of ‘Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)
Verily, We have inspired you (O Muhammad SAW) as We inspired Nuh (Noah) and the Prophets after him; We (also) inspired Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], ‘Iesa (Jesus), Ayub (Job), Yunus (Jonah), Harun (Aaron), and Sulaiman (Solomon), and to Dawud (David) We gave the Zabur (Psalms).
And in their footsteps, We sent ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), confirming the Taurat (Torah) that had come before him, and We gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Taurat (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for Al-Muttaqun (the pious – see V.2:2).
And Zakariya (Zachariya), and Yahya (John) and ‘Iesa (Jesus) and Iliyas (Elias), each one of them was of the righteous.
And (remember) when We took from the Prophets their covenant, and from you (O Muhammad SAW), and from Nuh (Noah), Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses), and ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary). We took from them a strong covenant.
And when ‘Iesa (Jesus) came with (Our) clear Proofs, he said: “I have come to you with Al-Hikmah (Prophethood), and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) in which you differ, therefore fear Allah and obey me,
Then, We sent after them, Our Messengers, and We sent ‘Iesa (Jesus) – son of Maryam (Mary), and gave him the Injeel (Gospel). And We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him, compassion and mercy. But the Monasticism which they invented for themselves, We did not prescribe for them, but (they sought it) only to please Allah therewith, but that they did not observe it with the right observance. So We gave those among them who believed, their (due) reward, but many of them are Fasiqun (rebellious, disobedient to Allah).
And (remember) when ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: “O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah unto you confirming the Taurat [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad. But when he (Ahmad i.e. Muhammad SAW) came to them with clear proofs, they said: “This is plain magic.”
you who believe! Be you helpers (in the Cause) of Allah as said ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), to Al-Hawariun (the disciples): “Who are my helpers (in the Cause) of Allah?” Al-Hawarieen (the disciples) said: “We are Allah’s helpers” (i.e. we will strive in His Cause!). Then a group of the Children of Israel believed and a group disbelieved. So We gave power to those who believed against their
enemies and they became the uppermost
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November 8th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Abdall
Untill now, I have not cared what “good book” someone read.
But YOU have convinced me that the Koran must be an evil book.
It is a violent religion. Therefore it’s followers must be a violent people.
Are you happy now?
5:02 am on November 8th, 2009 37
Blaming Islam the religion is like the pot calling the kettle black. For example:
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)
The Bible promotes the killing of non-believers and sinners just as much as the Koran does. Spend some time reading.
You cannot claim the morale high ground as a hypocrite. These so called “Holy” books are nothing but a collection of excuses invented by man to rationalize his actions toward other human beings. AS long as we have bands of people called Christians, Muslims, Jews or whatever there will never be peace and equality on this planet. never.
The venomous response I am sure to get from this post is just an example of what I am talking about.
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November 8th, 2009 at 5:27 am
any man or animals if you attack them they respond
and attack back that why holly book revealed to prophet to make just and organize people some people do not want to follow and invented method of their own to solve problem but instead they create anther problem so to settle things every one must mind his own business
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November 8th, 2009 at 5:28 am
Look up the New Testament dude.
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Mainstream Christinity has been done with what you claim for a very long time. I only go to service to pacify HH6, but I have never heard a preacher entice me to anything other than nicer to my neighbors, give to the poor, help the weak and be…..gasp nice.
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I grew up with Muslim friends. They kept their beliefs but didn’t push them on others. “I can’t eat that but please go ahead…” Just like good christians.
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However for less than 1% of the population, there have been many “terrorist like” not allowed to say terrorist activities conducted by Muslims in the US.
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Eric Rudolph and Jackass Pastor Phelps get cited as moral equivalents for Muslim terrorism. Sorry, it just doesn’t hold water. 95% of the US is Christian. .3 or .4 percent Muslim, re-do your numbers on incidents per capita, they are not even close. Ask me what I think about Abortion versus killing abortion doctors.
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I’m not giving up my Muslim friends and I’m not going to put them in camps as you bogusly claim, but can we at least talk with the same level of contempt and action against hate Mosques as we do about the Religious right who usually only want to bore you to death?
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Didn’t think so, so you on the other side.
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November 8th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
So you re-wrote the actual Word of God??? Amazing.
He must have been misquoted by the media. It is the Word of God right? The immutable unquestionable unmistaken all-powerfull all-seeing all-mighty god?
You can’t eat half a piece of shit.
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November 8th, 2009 at 6:02 am
i like the ENTIRE BOOK OF JOSHUA. Then I also like the book of the bible that says villages are to stone out of control children.
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November 8th, 2009 at 6:13 am
NT? where?
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November 11th, 2009 at 4:38 am
Holy Bible, KJV
Deuteronomy Chapter 21 vss 18 thru 21
I don’t know what Deuteronomy says in Greek or Hebrew, but KJV is pretty clear to me.
7:49 am on November 8th, 2009 38
read this
First Anglo-Afghan War – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
British Empire: Forces: Campaigns: Afghanistan: Maiwand
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10:01 am on November 8th, 2009 39
Further information is now coming out about who put down the Terrorist Major.
The “Hero Mother” was first on site. First to put a bullit in him.
Before he put her down. He was still standing and firing.
Then a second civilian Police Officer arrived name Mark Todd.
Officer Todd fired and hit the Terroist twice and put him down. Kicked the pistol away and handcuffed him. Then tended his wounds.
I wonder if the MSM will give him any press time. Not that he needs it. He knows what he did.
They are BOTH heros! Only one is spoken of in most news outlets.
Shadows of Jessica Lynch have appeared.
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November 8th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Retired GI i know why say this about Koran because
your true eyes are not open yet when Allah open your
hidden eyes they are located in the heart at that time you will see more and more GOD CAN DO THAT ANY
TIME
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November 8th, 2009 at 11:28 am
My eyes see you for what you are. I am not Politically Correct.
Your religion believes that murder for religious reasons are justified.
Your religion believes in honor killing.
America’s eyes can not see. My eyes can see. I can see your black heart.
Put that in capital letters.
I must go for a while. We are having ham for lunch.
If your not careful Haji, your going to talk me into coming out of retirement.
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November 8th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
take your time to think Allah knows every
thing wish good things
November 8th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
That one actually made me spit my coke all over my monitor! LOL “Ham for lunch”
10:23 am on November 8th, 2009 40
story of Mary in Koran 19. Mariam
for those who still believe Islam is against their believe learn true story from Koran and clean your mind
from heat
And mention in the Book (the Quran, O Muhammad SAW , the story of) Maryam (Mary), when she withdrew in seclusion from her family to a place facing east.
She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our Ruh [angel Jibrael (Gabriel)], and he appeared before her in the form of a man in all respects.
She said: “Verily! I seek refuge with the Most Beneficent (Allah) from you, if you do fear Allah.”
(The angel) said: “I am only a Messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son.”
He said: “So (it will be), your Lord said: ‘That is easy for Me (Allah): And (We wish) to appoint him as a sign to mankind and a mercy from Us (Allah), and it is a matter (already) decreed, (by Allah).
So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place (i.e. Bethlehem valley about 4-6 miles from Jerusalem).
And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a date-palm. She said: “Would that I had died before this, and had been forgotten and out of sight!”
Then [the babe 'Iesa (Jesus) or Jibrael (Gabriel)] cried unto her from below her, saying: “Grieve not! Your Lord has provided a water stream under you;
“So eat and drink and be glad, and if you see any human being, say: ‘Verily! I have vowed a fast unto the Most Beneficent (Allah) so I shall not speak to any human being this day.
Then she brought him (the baby) to her people, carrying him. They said: “O Mary! Indeed you have brought a thing Fariya (an unheard mighty thing)
O sister (i.e. the like) of Harun (Aaron) [not the brother of Musa (Moses), but he was another pious man at the time of Maryam (Mary)]! Your father was not a man who used to commit adultery, nor your mother was an unchaste woman.”
: Then she pointed to him. They said: “How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?”
He ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: Verily! I am a slave of Allah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet;”
“And He has made me blessed wheresoever I be, and has enjoined on me Salat (prayer), and Zakat, as long as I live.”
“And dutiful to my mother, and made me not arrogant, unblest.
Such is ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary). (it is) a statement of truth, about which they doubt (or dispute).
It befits not (the Majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son [this refers to the slander of Christians against Allah, by saying that 'Iesa (Jesus) is the son of Allah]. Glorified (and Exalted be He above all that they associate with Him). When He decrees a thing, He only says to it, “Be!” and it is.
['Iesa (Jesus) said]: “And verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him (Alone). That is the Straight Path. (Allah’s Religion of Islamic Monotheism which He did ordain for all of His Prophets).” [Tafsir At-Tabari]
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November 8th, 2009 at 10:38 am
So if the religions are one in the same
WHY did your people kill 3000 people on 9/ll/01?
WHY did this TERRORIST MAJOR call “Allahu Akbar” before murdering twelve unarmed soldiers?
You can quote verses all day, but it means nothing. The actions of your religion’s followers speak much loader than you.
Political Correctness allowed this Terrorist to infiltrate into the Army.
The cover up has begun. Your people will have more opportunities to kill
on american soil. Do not worry.
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November 8th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
9/11/01 they were friend of your government before in afghan country fighting the Russia
when Russia went out us abundant them and hand
them to their country and tried to jail them
so they lost no friends and turned against us
because they think US deceived them this can happen
to you if your partner try to shoot you from
the back or steal your proprieties and look what
your government did ? is Iraq in afghan ? they
kill more than million Iraqi non of 9/11 from Iraq your government the are after land and money and they use religion to flame hate so they can controle people in their side
i am not convening you to believe of what i say or change your mind becouse this your problem you can not see your mistake before 200 years 9/11 was not there why they invade afghan ? SEE IN Google 2)First Anglo-Afghan War – Wikipedia, the
free encyclopedia
2) British Empire: Forces: Campaigns:
Afghanistan: Maiwand
why they invade north Africa why invade irag
the reason simple they feel strong and want to
test their force and choose non strong side
for instant china was occupied but now no one dare to get close to it
north Arlinda Irish people they fight England why? are they Muslim ? many from us people support them !!
is this clear ? Islam is their for
ever whither like or do not the Koran book book the unhappy can not read but GOD WANT
TO BE WILL BE
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10:29 am on November 8th, 2009 41
story of Mary in Koran 19. Mariam
for those who still believe Islam is against their believe learn true story from Koran and clean your mind
from hate
And mention in the Book (the Quran, O Muhammad SAW , the story of) Maryam (Mary), when she withdrew in seclusion from her family to a place facing east.
She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our Ruh [angel Jibrael (Gabriel)], and he appeared before her in the form of a man in all respects.
She said: “Verily! I seek refuge with the Most Beneficent (Allah) from you, if you do fear Allah.”
(The angel) said: “I am only a Messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son.”
He said: “So (it will be), your Lord said: ‘That is easy for Me (Allah): And (We wish) to appoint him as a sign to mankind and a mercy from Us (Allah), and it is a matter (already) decreed, (by Allah).
So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place (i.e. Bethlehem valley about 4-6 miles from Jerusalem).
And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a date-palm. She said: “Would that I had died before this, and had been forgotten and out of sight!”
Then [the babe 'Iesa (Jesus) or Jibrael (Gabriel)] cried unto her from below her, saying: “Grieve not! Your Lord has provided a water stream under you;
“So eat and drink and be glad, and if you see any human being, say: ‘Verily! I have vowed a fast unto the Most Beneficent (Allah) so I shall not speak to any human being this day.
Then she brought him (the baby) to her people, carrying him. They said: “O Mary! Indeed you have brought a thing Fariya (an unheard mighty thing)
O sister (i.e. the like) of Harun (Aaron) [not the brother of Musa (Moses), but he was another pious man at the time of Maryam (Mary)]! Your father was not a man who used to commit adultery, nor your mother was an unchaste woman.”
: Then she pointed to him. They said: “How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?”
He ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: Verily! I am a slave of Allah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet;”
“And He has made me blessed wheresoever I be, and has enjoined on me Salat (prayer), and Zakat, as long as I live.”
“And dutiful to my mother, and made me not arrogant, unblest.
Such is ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary). (it is) a statement of truth, about which they doubt (or dispute).
It befits not (the Majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son [this refers to the slander of Christians against Allah, by saying that 'Iesa (Jesus) is the son of Allah]. Glorified (and Exalted be He above all that they associate with Him). When He decrees a thing, He only says to it, “Be!” and it is.
['Iesa (Jesus) said]: “And verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him (Alone). That is the Straight Path. (Allah’s Religion of Islamic Monotheism which He did ordain for all of His Prophets).” [Tafsir At-Tabari]
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November 8th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Blah, Blah, Blah,
Nobody cares Muslim. Just shut your cumdumpster and step out into traffic. I only want to read the story about how your head damaged the oil pan of someone’s car.
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4:06 pm on November 8th, 2009 42
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4:21 pm on November 8th, 2009 43
what you gain if this happen to me now you turned to violent this not the rules of educated person now may
be you become like this meager doctor lost control of
himself this happen when someone get angry any way i forgive you now . i tried to translate cumdumpster but did not find in dictionary is this word french ?
take easy cool
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November 8th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Poor Haji.
Should I explain “cum-dumpster”? I have never heard it myself, but the meaning is obvious. A dumpster is where trash is taken. Cum, well it comes from a man.
That Terrorist was an educated man. A Major in the Army. What did it gain him to turn to violence? Seventy virgins in heaven? Couldn’t find a woman here?
That Terrorist Doctor did not lose control. He was very much in control. He intended to be killed in the service of allah. He called out, “Allahu Akbar” before he murdered twelve unarmed american soldiers.
I am happy that he still lives. No martyr hood for that Haji.
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November 8th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
How dare you “forgive” me. muslims, allah, muhammad and the koran all together are worth less than a pile of dog excrement. I wrote a little poem, here it is.
I ate a lot of food one day
the next day I had to take a big allah
the huge amount of allah clogged the toilet
I wiped my muhammad hole with koran paper
the koran had a lot of muhammad on it
I threw it in the toilet with the muslims
the toilet had so much muhammad in it
it over-flowed and muslims were all over the floor
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November 8th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
sometimes I read what you write and I feel you deserve a Nobel Prize
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5:59 pm on November 8th, 2009 44
Heavenly Father, I come to you tonight on my knees to praise you and thank you for what you provide me each and every day. I thank you for the wisdom you have provided me to make careful and thoughtful decisions. I also thank you for providing me with the intelligence to understand and evaluate that information. I would rather die than to be a moron who makes decisions without evaluating information. I know I don’t ask for much often, but I need you to do me this one little thing. Lord, please send another tidal wave, earthquake, famine, or plague to destroy the muslims and erase any trace of them or their history. I know Joshua disobeyed you and failed to destroy them one and all. And now the muslims are everywhere. Please God, help us.
Amen
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6:18 pm on November 8th, 2009 45
LEMMY AND RETIRED GI ARE SAME PERSON YOU WRITE IN
LEMMY ID AND RETIRED GI AND IF FACT YOUR ENGLISH
LANGUAGE NOT GENUINE BROKEN ENGLISH YOU TRY TO MAKE
GOOD GRAMMAR BUT YOU COULD NOT YOU NEED MORE TIME TO GO ENGLISH SCHOOL I AM SURE THE YOU CAN IMPROVE SELF IF
YOU TRY BUT I CAN TELL YOUR HURTING YOUR SELF AND THIS
NO GOOD FOR YOU USUALLY BAD WORDS DISTURB YOUR MIND AND
LEAD TO MORE BAD ACTION WISH YOU
BYE THE WAY YOU USE WORD HAJ I I THINK YOU ONE FROM
CENTRAL AFRICA MOST OF THEM WANT TO EMIGRATE TO U S
AND DREAM TO BE PRESIDENT AS BARRACK OBAMA BUT YOU HAVE
TO WORK HARD AS HE DID YOU TO HARVARD UNIVERSITY AND FOLLOW HIS WAY BECAUSE USING ENGLISH THINK OF WHAT I SAY I THINK YOU some where in Africa i can
locate you soon simple and easy you are not American
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November 8th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
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6:22 pm on November 8th, 2009 46
Oh no!! He played the Sock Puppet card!!!
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November 8th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
THANKS EVERY BODY I SAY GOOD BYE NOW
WISH YOU GOOD LUCK ROK DROP FORUM
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8:53 pm on November 8th, 2009 47
Our little wienered muslim says “soon Allah will punish you will see that
and you can not defend yourself by any
means”
Well, abdall, if you muslims would let it be between me and God, Allah, or some other God then it would be ok. If you think Allah will punish, then let him. The problem is that you freaks see yourself as Allah’s tool and blow yourselves up ‘in his name’. If your allah is so powerful, then let him take care of business. In fact, I recommend you go jump off of a very tall building without a parachute and as allah to provide.
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10:11 pm on November 8th, 2009 48
Check out the update I posted above because it is now clear this guy isn’t the PTSD time bomb the media and his apologists have made him out to be.
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November 8th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
I never knew it to be unclear. What were they saying he had PTSD by proxy?
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November 9th, 2009 at 12:35 am
There was talk of “because he had to listen to all these horrible stories blah blah blah”.
Did you see the “Strip Club” article on Fox? The best lines are when the striper says, “I think he mostly came here to kill some time and just relax.” And also: “I just can’t believe that he’s the one who killed all those people. You know, he tipped every girl as she came off the stage after her dance. He was a really good tipper.”
What can I say… I like Dark Humor.
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November 9th, 2009 at 1:59 am
The article is here: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573052,00.html
And the hatred from the muslim website: http://www.foxnews.com/images/576480/0_63_hate_320.jpg
I say don’t put him in Leavenworth. Put him in a federal prison in Texas in general population.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:47 am
That’s just too funny.
November 9th, 2009 at 7:49 am
It was ALWAYS clear to me that this (Terrorist in an army uniform) was on his Personel Jihad.
If your afraid to go to war, it is fear of death. You don’t get on a desk, scream Allahu Akbar, and fire into an unarmed group, knowing responders will shoot you. It is stupid to believe he is anything other than an enemy that infiltrated our military by using the Political Correctness mindset that stops us from seeing and/or reporting our concerns. Females us PC. So called minorities use PC and you damn will know religions use PC. If I could, I would use PC.
That Major is and has been an Islamic Jihadist. (TERRORIST)
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4:04 am on November 9th, 2009 49
Here are the numbers of Americans who fought during the indicated conflicts: Revolutionary War: 250,000; US Civil War: 4,000,000; WWI:4,355,000; WWII: 16,000,000; Korea: 1,500,000; VN: 2,590,000; Desert Storm: 700,000; total: 9,305,000 . Could you imagine how many people in the USA would have been killed by this many combat veterans had there been PTSD?
I guess they didn’t have sugar-tits then like they do now.
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5:10 am on November 9th, 2009 50
[...] post is from here. Visit the link to read more.He broke his oath of “Do no Harm.” So I would love to feed him ham [...]
9:41 am on November 9th, 2009 51
There is a high probability that Major Hasan was well-known to be screwy to begin with… socially, politically and religiously… and, with 20/20 hindsight, a lot of people are going to be coming out and saying he was a whacko. A few might say they couldn’t see him doing this… many are going to say they could COMPLETELY see him doing this.
The official military line will try to paint it as a crime rather than Islamic-motivated terror by a known anti-American follower of Islam in the Army. It will be something like…
“This was a criminal act of a troubled individual and, in no way, reflects upon Muslim or Middle Eastern servicemembers who believe in peace and stand united against crimes such as this. In this case, the system failed and we missed the warning signs but we are now redoubling our efforts to insure this type of crime is never repeated.”
The key here is that leadership is scared to death to possibly offend any Middle Easterners or Muslims so a guy in his position practically has to be running around yelling jihad and shooting people before anyone in a leadership position will admit there might… MIGHT… be a problem (but not a Muslim-based problem) that needs looked at.
The result will be standdowns and additional training that will cause irritation and inconvenience to whites, East Asians, Hispanics, Blacks, Christians, Buddhists, Wiccans… etc… which will be big on diversity and tolerance but tiptoe around important issues like that it might be a good idea to do something more than hand-wringing about antisocial Islamic Middle Easterners who go around hatefully badmouthing America from inside the military.
Of course, it is probably better that way because if something is actually done, it will likely result in terrorist charges against Private Billy-Bob for for getting his tax return and ranting about the IRS… much in the same way TSA likes to strip search little old ladies in wheelchairs.
My vote is that this guy was a known loon (what psychologist/psychiatrist isn’t?) and Islam was his crutch… and, as the most vocal and media-encourage branches of Islam incite this kind of action and evoke a certain kind of personal power to losers, he was drawn to it like a fly to a turd.
…and everyone in a leadership position buried their head in the sand to keep from offending anyone.
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November 9th, 2009 at 10:53 am
I was wondering what took you so long to show up.
I still say he was and is a Terrorist. I do not see him as a soldier in any way. In WWII I believe they were call traitors and hung. Before my time.
Because of the Army’s Political Correctness Mind Set, I will not be shocked if this happens again, but likely not soon.
Army “Leadership” running scared. Unable to do the mission without offending some group.
When I enlisted there was only ONE group, and it was Green. Sadly when I retired that was nolonger the case.
The Army is so divided into it’s separate identities that it has lost the only one that counted. IMHO
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November 9th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Hey. Don’t forget Army Values!
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November 9th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Oh—don’t get me started—-
The Army has to talk so much about army “values” because
it is so “diverse” in its groupings that the individual groups
have to be TOLD what the Army’s values are. And we must be carefull
not to offend anyone either.
Again IMHO
After Basic, I didn’t have to be told about values. But that was a while back, and if you were offended nobody gave a rats assssss.
November 9th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
I’m not sure I understand what the Army could have or should have done. If this guy had a security clearance, it could have been suspended for no other reason than concern over his extremist views. But, do psychiatrists require a security clearance in the military?
The political correctness some complain about is institutionalized in our First Amendment. He is reported to have said and wrote offensive things, however, those who knew him said, while they were concerned about his attempts to rationalize Jihadist views, he was otherwise a very polite and neighbourly man who showed no signs of violent intents.
Every time there is a mass killing, people come out in hindsight and talk about ‘the signs’ that were missed. Columbine? Virginia Tech? They all had signs. How many people do you come across in your daily life that exhibit those same signs? Go ahead and report them and their signs and see what happens. My bet is, most likely nothing. You don’t get locked up for saying or writing offensive things. First Amendment, remember?
In the military today, I imagine it may be possible to put someone out for having and expressing extremist and offensive views. But, I doubt that happens often.
We have an Internet that allows anyone to publicly express any views. I read comments that I consider to be extremists everywhere. Some here on this blog. Some, maybe from military people. Are they from someone expressing childish bluster, or should they be considered real national security concerns?
Am I obligated to report ‘the signs’ every time I think I see them? Should our national security agencies be required to investigate them all?
The Internet is a big place and there are just too many idiots and wackos out there. I would guess that only a very small fraction of them are any threat, but I don’t think our security services have the resources to vette them all.
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November 9th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
JoeC
In the military, when you join, That first amendment you spoke of now falls under the military Command. If they command you not to speak of something, you don’t.
Political Correctness (PC) is NOT, repeat NOT institutionalized in our First Amendment. It is the right of Free Speech. They are not the same thing.
The First Amendment says that I may speek whatever I want, no matter who it pisses off. Political Correctness LIMITS free speech. Hope I did not OFFEND you.
As stated above, when you join the military you may, at times, lose it. Just a fact.
The fear — that’s correct FEAR that military “leadership” has today, is that of being thought of as racist – sexist – or any other “ist”. This includes any HINT of religious prejudice.
You better have it on tape and have witnesses, or any advancement is over.
Do you really BELIEVE what you hear the military in uniform say, concerning our latest Terrorist Attack?
If you do, I have a bridge for you. They are in a panic right now. How do they do the mission, protect the Troops and STILL not offend any of the many “groups” in the military.
I wish them luck with that one.
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November 9th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Joe,
Freedom of speech doesn’t apply in the military, just ask someone if they tried to hang a Nazi flag in the barracks room what would happen to them. If this guy gave presentations about white supremacy I can guarantee that someone would have done something about it. Here is why no one did anything about Hasan:
http://cbs11tv.com/wireapnewstx/Fort.Hood.suspect.2.1298946.html
However, when you report a white supremacist no one has the fear of being accused of being discriminatory. Shouldn’t we have the same standards for reporting Islamic extremists as we do with white supremacists?
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12:11 pm on November 9th, 2009 52
At this time I would like to convert to islam. That way, I will be able to reap the benefits which will fall upon the muslims. Afterall, the USA elected a muslim president as soon as it could after 9/11. Bow down and make every possible concession to muslims – that’s the stupid American’s way. So I declare I am now a muslim.
As Everett said: “I am your king, bow down before me!”
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12:44 pm on November 9th, 2009 53
C’mon, Lemmy… fess up.
You are just doin’ it for the 9 year-olds, right?
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1:55 pm on November 9th, 2009 54
JoeC,
You make very good points.
The First Amendment is sacred ground… it does and should protect the right to speak one’s ideas freely without risk of being “locked up”.
But with freedom, comes responsibility… be it the responsibility to separate personal feelings from chosen career… or the responsibility to suppress personal feelings in the interests of social interaction.
While Major Hasan certainly has the right to freely speak his mind as a United States citizen, his vocal (even pushy) viewpoints are inconsistent with a career in the United States military.
This should have been recognized, condemned and acted upon by the leadership of an organization which requires uniformity in purpose to function correctly.
The warning signs were not so much that he was going to go on a killing spree but that he was a liability to the mission.
If an officer walked around telling everyone who would listen that all nigras should be hung or all women deserve a good gang raping, to the point that others complained, would leadership have shown the same indifference?
This is the essence, and danger, of Political Correctness… some groups are more correct than others.
You ask what leadership should have done.
That’s a good question that I don’t really have a good answer for… being that government action against thought crime seems to be abused more than used.
What would they do to vocal racists and women-haters?
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12:42 am on November 10th, 2009 55
Why wasn’t this guy aborted by his mother?
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5:28 am on November 10th, 2009 56
Has “our President” called it a Terrorist act—yet?
Has he visited Fort Hood—yet?
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November 10th, 2009 at 6:54 am
You guys got to remember that people in the chain of command to include the President have to be very careful with their statements. A defense lawyer could use what they say to claim unlawful command influence:
http://newledger.com/2009/11/how-the-fort-hood-shooter-will-be-judged/
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November 10th, 2009 at 7:20 am
So the answer is “NO” and “NO”.
I can understand the point in not speaking out. Which of course is a good reason for me not to have his job. I am but a simple man: What did he say, “Allahu Akbar”. What did he do, shot and killed thirteen unarmed soldiers. Tried to kill over thirty and fired over a hundred rounds. Easy Conclusion: Terrorst. As I said, I’m a simple man.
Now for something hard:
So why has he not visited Hood yet? Too busy visiting the site of the wall in Germany? Nope, he didn’t do that — either.
Ahhh, health care! Of course.
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November 10th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
A quick Google says it was announced days ago that they planned to attend the memorial Tuesday.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/07/AR2009110702083.html
3:39 pm on November 10th, 2009 57
Dear Stupid people, He is a worthless, scum sucking pos who should have his head impaled on a stick and posted at the main gate to Ft Hood.
But I’m sure you would say “Oh my goodness, that would be gruesome.” And to that I say “Sure, I would take 13 dead and 30 wounded over one dead any day of the week.”
I do not apologize to those of you who find this confusing.
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November 10th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Now Lemmy, you know the American people are far too soft to be able to handle that.
He was seen in action.
He was heard calling out Allahu Akbar.
He was shot with the weapon in his hand.
We still call him the accused! The only country in the world where that would happen.
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November 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
“muslims are pig vomit” thats what the wife of one of the victims is quoted as saying.
You are so right, I’m surprised they are not calling him a suspect too. And you know he will plead “not guilty” and then he’ll use the insanity road saying people called him “camel jockey”, “rag head” and “stupid, worthless, pos, muslim”. If the army were to courts martial him, they would never give him death because the muslims in the army would feel discriminated against and a group might protest.
Hopefully, The gangs in prison will have him on soap police call for the rest of his life, but then he may like it. I wonder if the gangs will fight over who will get to cut his head off with a steak knife.
Oh yea, I like what B. Hussain Obama said. “He will pay for his crimes”. This has a great deal of meaning to the muslims as the guy didn’t comit any crime in the eyes of a muslim; so sayeth the crazy soiled toilet paper some call the kOrAn.
Remember, the POTUS is a muslim.
Yes, he is only a suspect (I believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy also)
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November 10th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Let’s not be as ‘crazy’ as the MAD MAN responsible for this. Also, get your act together for facts, please! the POTUS in NOT Muslim, but not all Muslims are Mad Men/Women. There are rotten apples in every race and religion.
My husband is retired and I served as well in the USAF and we are also smart enough to use decent language. It is not necessary to show ignorance by using foul language, etc.
November 10th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Muriel
1 He is NOT, repeat NOT A “mad man”.
2. He is a MUSLUM JIHADIST. A TERRORST. He did what his religion told him to do. He carried out Jihad on the non-believers.
3. I don’t buy that Political Correctness crapppp.
4. Just because the POTUS claims to be a Christian now does not change the fact that he was raised in a muslim environment.
You claim to be smart so the only thing you have to do is open your eyes. It is not necessary for you to show ignorance by keeping them closed.
November 11th, 2009 at 1:37 am
Murial why do you think O’bama is not a muslim? Its because you saw him sitting in a church on television. Well here is some television and I hope you have the mental capacity to put the pieces together.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28
If you are Christian read the “old school” book of Joshua and explain why God wanted all the people, who we call muslims now, destroyed?
If you’re a muslim read http://www.newwave.net/~haught/Koran.html because you obviously don’t understand your religion. And you can read the whole koran here http://www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/quran_table.html If I were you, I would pay particular attention to the 2nd Sura. This will help you understand the teachings of islam.
I hope the “language” in the koran is to your liking and it’s written in a decent language.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:04 am
What religion is o’Bama?
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28
http://www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/quran_table.html
4:38 pm on November 10th, 2009 58
Is this the result of hysteria from the Fort Hood shooting?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573685,00.html?test=latestnews
Greek Orthodoxy is a version of Christianity.
Everyone who dresses and talks funny isn’t the enemy.
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November 10th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
“Muslims should be used as concrete filler” is how one of the victims described his attacker.
Investigating for a hate crime. Ha Ha Ha. Guess the marine was Caucasian. I haven’t heard hassan will be charged with a hate crime. Oh, I almost forgot- only white people are charged with hate crime.
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November 10th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Joe
I am sure of one thing. The Marine is white. Already looking into a hate crime.
Mean while, a Muslim is uncharged after killing thirteen. Were any of those murdered by the Terrorist non-whites.
I spent a few YEARS at Hood. He didn’t hit ANY non-whites? He fired over one hundred rounds!
But no “hate crime” charge for Haji?
They are not even sure what happened with that Marine and they are talkin about “hate crime charges”. He HAS to be white.
Nice try Joec at attempting to changing the subject.
I have a friend at Hood that is Muslim. He is white as paper, a weight lifter and likes to drink. He also likes to bitchh about his wife.
I know some are ok. I also know some wanted to kill me and tried in 2005.
Political Correctness Allowed this Radical Muslim to carry out his own Jihad on unarmed Soldiers.
I am now the proud owner of much hate. Not only at Radical Muslims but also at the Military and Civilian “Leadership” that, thru the blinders of Political Correctness allowed thirteen American Soldiers to be Murdered by a Muslim Terrorist on Fort Hood. I stood where they F ing stood many times and did what they were doing!
So JoeC, don’t you DARE talk about F ing HYSTERIA to me!
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November 11th, 2009 at 12:12 am
“So JoeC, don’t you DARE talk about F ing HYSTERIA to me!”
While I was not addressing anyone in particular, I am not so easily intimidated. I will talk about hysteria to anyone.
My comment was meant as a defense of the innocents. Some of those attacked after 9/11 weren’t even Muslims. They were just thought to be Muslim by their attackers. And even actual Muslims don’t deserve to be targeted for no other reason than they are Muslims.
Since you have a friend who is Muslim, I obviously was not addressing you. But everyone is not as worldly or tolerant.
I am reminded of the thousands of Muslims who have and still do server honorably and heroically in the military. I am reminded of the countless, yes I said ‘countless,’ Muslims who risk and sacrifice much, including their lives and those of their families in Iraq and Afghanistan to work with us.
I don’t believe in witch-hunts and I don’t believe in punishing the many for the actions of the few.
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November 11th, 2009 at 6:45 am
I don’t see anyone saying punish all Muslims.
Most people on here are saying that people with radical Islamic beliefs should be treated the same way as a white supremacist, with derision and expulsion from the military instead of the PC crap that led to the deaths of 13 soldiers at Ft. Hood.
November 11th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Not trying to intimidate you joe, (how would one do that with a keyboard anyway)
There will always be the weak minded that look at all who are different from them with hate. Been the subject of it before as I don’t easily fit into any pre designed box. (some have tried)
But I expect these things to happen. I am not concerned with that Marine. I am concerned when reports take away from the issue at hand, which is what happened at Fort Hood. If you find yourself unable to understand how I feel about this, there is nothing I can do about it.
That Terrorist is the issue and the Political Correctness that allowed him the freedom to kill at a place that I once lived and served at.
I don’t want attention taken away from it. Those are other issues.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:56 am
The retard Marine who beat hell out of a Greek Orthodox priest is looking at HATE CRIME charges!
Game on- a village somewhere is missing an idiot.
That said, what about Major Malfunction? I haven’t heard ANYONE who wants to burn him at the stake mention that whole gayass Hate Crime horse dung yet.
Ain’t that interesting???
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November 11th, 2009 at 6:47 am
Retired GI, you need to chill a bit, you can make your point without inferring curse words at Joe. Thanks.
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November 11th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Too many years Enlisted. Sometimes it was the only way to get some to wake up and smell reality.
8:59 pm on November 10th, 2009 59
Regardless of his religion, the man is a traitor. He ought to be hanged, drawn, quartered, and left in a gibbet for the sport of the crows…
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2:39 am on November 11th, 2009 60
“I have a friend at Hood that is Muslim. He is white as paper, a weight lifter and likes to drink. He also likes to bitchh about his wife.”
Sounds like you are in love. Anyway, you need to calm down, you are getting hysterical, like a shrieking woman.
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November 11th, 2009 at 8:16 am
I’m just sick of people trying to divert attention or make excuses for that piece of dirt.
Calm and clean enough for all of you?
and Loedoff2, you obviously have never heard a woman shrieking.
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November 11th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Lordofe2
Are we to say congratulations that you have a white friend who is a muslim?
Are you inferring you are black when you describe him as the color of a sheet of paper? Would it be stupid and racist if I described my black friends as “black as a lump of coal?”
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November 11th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Congratulate me if you wish.
I also had two friends that were black as a country night.
Both were from Trinidad. One with me in Korea. The other at Hood
and Iraq. Before that he was at Campbell with me and also korea.
I got an email today from a white friend that I knew while at 2ID
and before at Humphreys. Seems he and his ex wife who is black, are having problems
with the kids.
Got some brown friends and yellow ones also.
Don’t have any red or green ones.
Used to know a guy that was a wiccan
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6:42 am on November 11th, 2009 61
Here is more on this story:
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12:28 pm on November 11th, 2009 62
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28
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12:28 pm on November 11th, 2009 63
Let me play Devil’s Advocate for the Army now:
The Army has a shortage of qualified personnel in certain fields. I imagine psychiatry is one of them. It is reported that this guy obviously wanted to get out of his assignment to the Middle East. He made requests to get out of the Army. The Army get reports that his views are incompatible with those of the Army.
Based on just that information, how often do you you think Army personnel boards come across people that fit that profile? Would it really have been so simple to expect the Army to just let him go?
Maybe this incident will result in changes to Army policies and procedures, but I don’t think the system in place now was able to deal with this.
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November 11th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Hey Joe, is there an incurred service obligation when the Army puts you through a PhD program such as this guy went through. Does anyone know what the incurred obligation is? Did this factor into the guys “not ducking Afghanistan”? How much time was left on his obligation?
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12:33 pm on November 11th, 2009 64
The black guy in the picture at the top wearing the gray t-shirt and has his arm around the battle hardened E2 is a counselor. His name is MAJ/LTC Bradley and he worked for me from 97-99 at Ft Myer.
Brad, you’ve not changed a bit….
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10:25 pm on November 11th, 2009 65
I’m not the only one who thinks the guy is psychotic.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-hasan12-2009nov12,0,2144434.story
As I was saying, regardless of what he may believe his motives to have been, he did what he did because he’s nuts. If he did indeed have a connection with terrorist groups, it only proves that extremist groups manipulate unstable people like him (psychotic or psychopathic, it doesn’t really make a difference to them) into doing their bidding.
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November 12th, 2009 at 12:16 am
I’m curious to know if a suicide bomber would be considered “nuts”, how about someone who hijacks a plane and crashes it into a building? What’s the difference??
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9:04 am on November 12th, 2009 66
I’m not the only one that knows this guy is a Terrorist.
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/?p=3250 directly above your link, so you had to see it also, and just ignored it.
Computer revealed Al Queda connection
“A pattern of deliberate and willfull planning to conduct some type of attack against the U.S. military prior to his deployment.”
“The motive appears to be rooted in his ideology, an ideology which was emboldened by online activity.”
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7:16 am on November 16th, 2009 67
“As horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse.”
- General George Casey,US Army chief of staff on Sunday’s Meet the Press
Encouraging “diversity” in the military is begging to herd cats.
I wonder if the friends and families of those killed by the encouragement of “diversity” and the idea that every value, every culture and every belief is equal, have an opinion on the loss of their loved one, or the loss of diversity, being a bigger tragedy.
Do they stop giving pisss-tests after a certain rank?
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November 16th, 2009 at 7:59 am
“Do they stop giving pisss-tests after a certain rank?”
Sounds like it to me, cause the good General seems to be smokin something.
Diversity> I seem to remember all Japanese American units in WWII.
Perhaps it is time for all Muslim American units in the American Army.
We could expand that to all Female units also. Worked well in WWII.
No two people are equal. If they were we would all be Generals and there would be no one to get the work done.
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3:02 pm on November 17th, 2009 68
when America was alone Muslim stood to help America and this was In 1777 Morocco became the first country to publicly recognize US but after years after founder of
America died new generation emigrate to America and misinterpreted the freedom and put America with troubles with Muslim after ww2 many fled Europe and became us citizen and control Innocent American people bye media and banks and send troops of young boys to fight others before that no one is enemy of America to put America in peace real people of America should make new revolution 1- find the family of founder America and all his friends +the native people of America
2-make those people govern america
3- deport all Muslim people to their original countries
4- use native American as official language of united state
5-remove united nation from being on American land
6-cut all ties with Muslim countries
every body will be happy no need to buy guns in united state because your enemy is out of America and you can leave doors and windows open and need no police
this can happen if real America people take care of their country
but not fool who follow fool to do fool things and think it is wright
ALL MARKET AND SCHOOL AND HOSPITAL SHOULD WRITE MUSLIM NOT ALLOWED BUT NOT IN THE AIRPORT AND SEAPORT
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November 24th, 2009 at 8:15 am
I like numbers 5 and 6!
But we will still have a reason to buy guns. Government needs to know the “people” have the power to resist. Words only take you so far.
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November 24th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Add #3 to 5 & 6
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4:43 pm on November 17th, 2009 69
ALL MARKET AND SCHOOL AND HOSPITAL SHOULD WRITE MUSLIM NOT ALLOWED BUT NOT IN THE AIRPORT AND SEAPORT
so they can depart but not allow in
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November 24th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Abdall,
Greetings, or should I say “ham salami and bacon”
God willing or should I say “inshitlayya” you are 110% correct sir! Nobody, and I mean nobody can ever argue with you! ever!
With your permission, I would like to offer your post for publication in the New York Times.
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November 24th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
what ever you use of low vocabulary this do not
solve the problem go a head to congress man
who represent you if you are American and tell him to bring this to public and warn you that pigs is forbidden in all holly books better a void to eat them camel OK
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November 25th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Congressmen are weak, you of all people should know that. No congressman has ever started a war, but they have driven drunk and killed people who work for them.
Individuals bring about change, like your buddy hasan there at Ft. Bragg, he has brought about change, the 9/11 hijackassesers, they brought about change. The infantryman pulling the trigger in iRaq and aFghanistan brings change, the bombidier in a B-52 who drops bombs on mUslims, he brings about change. Congressman, what does he do?
Also, Camel meat is too oiley, I guess thats why mUslims are oiley themselves. Don’t mUslims eat goat testicals and bile duct from sheep?
Why do so many mUslims flee the desert and flock to so many other countries???????? Is it because of the lamb nuts and camel burgers?? Or is it because the middle east sucks?
Hard to say? Hard to say? Is it as hard to say as oh my God there’s a man in front of my desk with a flamethrower?
November 25th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
i think why some Muslim flee to other
country ? Indian flee to England because
English gave them pass to their country as old friend but English people now do not
like this .France and other europe country
gave pass to north African also now they do not like it is from the beginning politician mistake and now America giving green card see the internet full of green card sale and your right by the help of Allah GOD individuals can bring change
also camel meat is oily true but young camel meat not oily write in Google
camel milk in Holland
may be you make camel business
November 25th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
The British Labour Party now admits that they unleashed the flood gates of immigration on the UK to force it into diversity.
Oops. It didn’t work. What a surprise.
That’s because the immigrants all came to The Mud Island looking for the dole, and intending to ethnically cleanse the UK with their exploding birth rate, and the UK’s rapidly declining one.
Britain is truly no longer Great, and I do not say that with any sense of joy.
3:54 pm on November 24th, 2009 70
I guess American’s have many sayings similar to “aLlah aKbahr” some are: Bombs away, fire mission, open fire, fire for effect, “On my mark turn your key”, free to fire.
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5:47 pm on November 24th, 2009 71
lets American vote to deport Muslim is better
than waiting they must start now also amercain will save
many things they have no unemployment no poverty and save
multimillion of dollars given aids to overseas country
i hope next election voters put this issue for votes and see all Muslim should return to there home land leave
America for the American even if you are born there
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November 24th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Nice thought ABDALL. But it will never happen. America has been too weakened by (Political Correctness).
It would take a major mind shift, and American just isn’t strong enough to do that. We want so very much to be liked. I believe it must be a form of insanity that effects much of America.
I’m sure it will be America’s downfall, in the end.
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November 25th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Abdal, again I think you are 110% correct. Hurray for Abdal
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8:17 pm on November 24th, 2009 72
Nigeria a couples of years ago deported one million
no downfall it is best thing to do .this not bad for
Muslim it is good for them too .it can happen peacefully
just say that to Muslim .please go home of course there
is a price to pay and good to America no troops in iraq
no troops in afghan now muslim say to them leave us alone
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9:53 am on November 25th, 2009 73
Best Buy and Eid Al-Adha
I bet Killeen TX is really happy about this.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0.2933.576729.00.html?test=latestnews
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November 25th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
thank you wish happy life
i ask Allah to help Muslim return to their homeland
soon and make America stop given pass to them or
green card and Allah help and make this happen it is good for all you know we can not do anything without your help
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6:52 pm on November 25th, 2009 74
No way, habibi.
Deporting people for their religious beliefs- HELL no.
Deporting them for committing brutal and violent acts or inciting others to- I’m fine with that.
If you are an American or come to America, and you worship sticks, rocks, or the flying spaghetti monster, it isn’t any of my business. Unless you try to force it on me. Then you’ll have a problem. If I want to know more about your religion, I will ask. I have had PLENTY of discussions with Moslems on Christianity- and vice versa- but only because one side of the discussion ASKED QUESTIONS about the other- neither side ATTACKED each other. That’s a damn good start.
Anyone WILL have a hard time no matter where he goes if he’s the ‘odd guy out’ and tries to FORCE people to accept him and his beliefs.
Most Americans- and normal people anywhere- just want to be left the hell alone to get on with their lives.
Most of the Moslems who came to America in the 19th and 20th century quickly figured out that to not be looked at as ‘funny’ and get chased out of town out of fear or ignorance (it’s on both sides of these discussions) that they would have to adopt some of the ways and styles of their adopted land. Most did quite well. They kept their families and ethnic ties, but in a few generations, those families spoke English primarily and likely none of their ancestral language (a shame, but there are only 24 hours in a day- you have to make a living).
Culture and diversity are fascinating and do add a LOT to the great USA- but that also requires that we all have the same basic goals of living and working together as neighbors. There is some give and take- you won’t like the bells from the Church ringing early on Sunday, perhaps, and I can sure as hell do without the call to prayer outside my window on speakers 5 times a day. That’s where people work out differences.
When some nut sack pulls a gun, shouts religious stuff, and starts blasting, expect some pissed off people.
Some people(s) are never going to get along with other people(s). But some of the people of those people(s) CAN look past all that, and make OK neighbors.
That is all.
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8:27 pm on November 25th, 2009 75
if Muslim follow their book Koran they never stay a single day in country not belong to them in Islam you
can not go with army to fight your follow Muslim and this make difficult to Muslim to live in country and see their original country attacked by America so it is better for them to leave and i read that many did and returned and deport them peacefully better than making war outside i am sure most of them if they get help to leave they will do this hope from Allah to make this happen and hope Allah bring to America president who can apply this soon make every one happy if you ask
god do not expect other to agree or not agree i say
ALLAH HELP GET THOSE PEOPLE TO THEIR ORIGINAL HOME AND
LEAVE AMERICA FOR AMERICAN
AMMEN
امين
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