A summarized article 15 does not effect a soldier's career and puts them through the UCMJ process that gives them an indication of things to come if their indiscipline continues. When giving a counseling statement with punishment, the punishment has to fit the crime. How does sweeping the barracks equate to assaulting someone in the ville?

IMO leaders don't use judicial punishment enough, especially the summarized article 15. This is the very reason why I think some soldiers cause trouble in the ville in the first place when the little voice in their head tells them that they will just get a counseling statement for bashing someone in the ville. Plus the vast majority of soldiers do not cause problems and appreciate it when the trouble makers are held accountable for their actions.

By the way I am still very much in the military are you?

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And WTF is up with UCMJ on the first offense? Art 15 can ruin careers now, are you that far separated from the military that you didn't know that? First offense is counseling statement / non-punitive punishment (cleaning barracks for two weeks or other crap detail, revocation of privileges). On second offense and above I agree that UCMJ should be used.

I can somewhat agree with screening Soldiers before they leave the gate to ensure they're not making an ass of themselves. But if this comes down to CP's barging into Phrawgh's and zeroing in on some hapless SPC who happens to be acting the fool then the green-tabbers and battle buddies are already set up for failure because it's out of their hands.

Probably the best idea I've seen for preventing alcohol-related incidents was in Australia where it's against the law for bartenders to serve more alcohol to patrons who are obviously drunk. It seems too many establishments in Korea see drunkenness as a goal rather than a problem.

There's only one tavern in TDC.

…our command presence patrols will be conducting random blood alcohol content monitoring, not for the purpose of punishment, but to keep our Soldiers out of potential trouble with themselves and others.

Where did he post this?

I've been drunk like a skunk once in Daegu and blew only a .06 on the KSG's breathalyzer, so the number .10 is pretty much arbitrary. CP's should be observing Soldiers' actions rather than breathalyzing them. Drunk and disorderly conduct should be readily apparent without a breathalyzer.

You hand some overzealous NCO or field grade a breathalyzer with guidance of "not for the purpose of punishment" and see how far that goes.

Anyone experience this? Since CPs or MPs can't even legally ask for ID off post (they have to have KNPs ask), how do they accomplish BAC testing? I know these results by themselves can't be used for legal proceedings, but I presume the command can then send a SM to the TMC for an LBAT.

I'm on orders to go to 2ID again, I can't decide if MG Tucker is improving things or not.

MANY of my soldiers would have brought the little woman to the ROK if they could have been Command Sponsored. They could not.

Even with the changes, you will STILL have single soldiers! They will STILL go down town.

The "leadership" will not care if they do. They will be at home with the wife and kids.

They don't care where single troops go in the states. Leadership is home.

The curfew never has and never will "stem" alcohol-related misconduct.

That was never what it was designed to do.

It keeps alcohol-related misconduct on post, as it was designed to do.

Ever been to Stanley at curfew? The curfew INCREASED A-R M.

Don't believe me?

Take a hundred semi-drunk troops from ten different bars, make them stand in a line for 30 mins waiting to get in BEFORE curfew, then let them all pile into the "on post club" shoulder to shoulder and drink some more. NOW with a mere handful of female soldiers (queen for a year).

In 2001 the "leadership" saw an excuse to lock the troops in gulag, where they could watch them and have the MPs close at hand. Same thing happened at the Hump.

The curfew might be SEEN as a quality of life issue.

But it isn't when your standing in that line to get on post.

It isn't if you miss the curfew and end up hiding in an alley till you can get back on post without troubles.

It isn't if your a couple a LT's that get caught outside the wire and try to scale over and are caught.

The curfew makes the base a gulag, and the troops see it that way.

In the 80-90s soldiers were soldiers.

After 2001, they were/are no longer treated as soldiers.