By Here is some more news on the juicy girl front:
Base officials Friday slapped an off-limits ban on four off-base “juicy bars” they say allowed U.S. servicemembers to pay to take bar girls off the premises, an activity known as bar fining.
The same four clubs — Stardust, Sting, Golden Gate and UN — were among eight put off-limits by Osan in late 2008 and early 2009, also for bar fining. The four are in the Shinjang Mall commercial district — a tightly clustered warren of bars, restaurants and small shops — that lies just outside Osan’s main gate, in the Songtan section of Pyeongtaek.
Bar fining is typically associated with prostitution and human trafficking. When they are contracted to bars, however, the Filipinas are given juice sales quotas they must meet, and if they fail many are often forced to prostitute themselves to pay a bar fine to their employer to make up the difference. [Stars & Stripes]
I just found this passage in the article humorous that
First Lt. Chris Hoyler, a spokesman for the 51st Fighter Wing at Osan, said that while the latest case is pending he could not disclose further specifics, including whether the bar fining had involved sexual activity.
He said one airman confessed to bar fining, and several other airmen told investigators the clubs in question “encouraged and profited” from the practice.
Juicy bar owners encouraging and profiting from prostitution??? I am shocked I tell you!
1:52 am on February 7th, 2010 1
2:39 am on February 7th, 2010 2
Ah–The Golden Gate. Back in 91 there was this Korean girl. Couldn't dance a lick. No one cared. We just loved to watch her WALK!
I almost "rented" that one night.
11:23 am on February 7th, 2010 3
"when you have the world oldest profession present you will find the second oldest one near by"
Ok, so we're talking about politicians and prositutes?
12:44 pm on February 7th, 2010 4
The off-limits lists are an embarrassment.
4:30 pm on February 7th, 2010 5
This is so trippy to me as when I was in Osan and An Jung Ri {both ville's} in PyongTech province things were much different. What a Gi and a girl did was their business and NO ONE ELSE'S. So we have the good people of the world setting things straight. I hope they are correct and not just fouling things up. I do understand that since Korea is now a regular tour and was hardship when I was there it would have to be different. Wow wonder how these girls feel that are from other countries. That was not an issue when I was there 78 early to early 79, late 80, all 81, 82 then out early 83. I remember some of the bars mentioned also and especially the UN. The girls werent juicy girls then though they were " Business girls". Some freelance others owed a certain club or person from some area. the girls were all Korean thus making situation very different. These girls were very adaptable but mostly lovable, and they for the most part ended up married as a GI would invariably fall in love pay her debt off and the rest is history. Well They were in their own country for one . second class citicens for sure but proud also. Im not saying all the mariages ended up good but a great many did as my wife, and I have ran into a a few people we knew from Korea that are still married just like us. My wife is so good I don't deserve her. She is a beauty at 48 and as sweet as she was at 18. maybe sweeter. Sorry for getting off topic. I find it somewhat sad that these GI's and girls are being put under scrutiny. You know,, live and let live? Things usually work out for the best. But if the girls from Philippines and other places go home what will GI s do in Korea?
A word for our soldiers who are fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq. You folks got it tough, and I feel you all as brothers and sisters in a bad place. My heart and hope goes out to you. Hang in there. We are with you in heart and soul. Your duty is much worse than those who serve in Korea and Germany but some of you have been in these places also. If you are reading this please know we appreciate you. I look forward to the days when you folks can have fun. You are the best. Do not be disheartened by situation. I can imagine how you must feel at times when local folks treat you so badly then of course the other situations. I am deeply moved by your dedication. Duffy
7:19 pm on February 7th, 2010 6
Finding a Korean girl to go out with…and I don't mean some scumbag ho…but just a regular Korean girl – is not hard. As a matter of fact, it's very easy. This is especially true for young GIs these days.
But you're not going to find them in the club district down in the ville – which is where a lot of guys spend most of the time when they go off-base.
9:02 pm on February 7th, 2010 7
Was that Sport or Candy
Maybe the cowgird girl that fell of stage and broke her ankle 
9:03 pm on February 7th, 2010 8
of "off"
12:39 am on February 8th, 2010 9
She stuck with leather alot. Always wore a big cross, sitting in between those cantaloupes. I often wish I had allowed her to use me.
1:42 am on February 8th, 2010 10
Guitard,
That's cool but if you ever refer to the Korean girls that ran those ville s back in the days when they had no other choice as "scumbag ho's" you are badly mistaken. And in fact that would get you your ass handed to you by many or just about every GI that was there in those times. Oh man you don't even know how most of us felt about those girls. You may fit right in with the non-understanding groups that have set out to put a wrong to the way things were, and anyone who was there will tell you it may have been different but it was not wrong! I knew many Korean women that had to be paid for their time but if one knew the situation they also knew the girls by in large hated that. They wanted to be respected and loved so they hunted for someone who they liked, and would care for them. And they got that sometimes. Some more than others as they were smart enough to work through their situation. These girls were my friends regardless. It is on me that I took advantage of many of them before I figured out what the full facts were. They were put in a situation by the economy of the reqrowing S. Korea. It was a different dimension. You had to be there but you can believe me. They are Korea's best.
I have heard many folks tell stories about how hard it is to get Korean girls to even date Westerners currently but you are telling me it is different. That brings me allot of hope. But do not misunderstand those ladies that were so hardly used to better Korea. If you could see the pictures in my mind of the girls that were in non GI ville's that had to be paid for time you would understand let alone the girls in GI ville's who had it better but not good. Some of those girls cried for years waiting for GI that promised them he would come back for them. Others would overdose themselves when they realized their situation. Some did other things to end the pain of the "ville's". But the many thousands that trooped through were not "scumbag ho's". I can not say I ever met one of those. What kind of man are you to speak of a delicate creature such as these girls in such a way? And how about the girls that are there from Philippines? I don't believe they are what you say either. Probably caught in situation and can't even get back home. But haven't seen them so can not give an educated opinion. But the "scumbag ho" idea somehow seems untrue to me again. What do you call the guys that like or date these girls? Or do you have a double standard? I know I was no better than the girls that were there. The Korean girls even dressed nicely. Never looking like what you said. Mostly the cleanest girls I ever dated with mannerism that made you want to treat them good. Would you do well to stay in churches and live with the all knowing folks? C'mon Guitard whatever you do, don't do that hard core judgment thing to yourself man. Good luck, Later
3:49 am on February 8th, 2010 11
Duffy is spot on! During my time in Korea, whenever the post went on lockdown, the VD rate went up. That tells me the Korean Pros were much better with their hygiene than gi jane.
I knew a dancer in the Olympia club, back in the day. She really danced! Not that walk around the stage crap. We became friends and I still have pics of us together. One morning at her place (no curfew then) we were drinkin and talkin. She pulls out a photo album. All the pics were of her and this hispanic GI. She told me how he lived with her for the duration of his tour. Promised the whole nine yards to her. One day he just didn't come home. The asswape PCSed without a word. It took two weeks before one of his friends told her.
The reason she told me was because I had asked about the scares that looked like knife cuts and cig burns on her left arm and both legs. I had asked almost a year ago. She did it to herself. She said the physical pain eased her mental pain. She cried a while as I sat there not knowing what else to do. Then seemed better and talked of other things.
The ones from the Philippines are worse still. Best they can hope for is to marry OUT. Not saying they are all "good girls". But I would bet on "some" of them before "most" of the gi-jane types or civilian american women a GI is likely to meet.
8:07 am on February 8th, 2010 12
WTF??
I'm quite obviously talking in the present tense – as in the year 2010. Re-read my last sentence:
"This is especially true for young GIs these days."
Do you see those last two words? THESE DAYS.
That means 2010 – not 1978.
When was the last time you were stationed in Korea? My guess is that it's been a while. I've been here off and on for 30 years. I know what it was like back in the day and I know what it's like now.
The ville life you knew died 20 years ago. Time has marched on. Things have changed radically since that time.
10:46 am on February 8th, 2010 13
Your "scumbag Ho" comment was not justified then nor is it now. Unless you want to talk about "scumbag GIs" as well.
11:48 am on February 8th, 2010 14
Fellas, Fellas…let's keep all talk about scumbags related to Tom's rants.
12:16 pm on February 8th, 2010 15
Ah… another romantic who doesn't believe there are Korean women out there who target GIs with the sole purpose of separating them from their money – and after spending $200 in $20 drinks – leaving them wondering what just hit them.
There are plenty of them like that who ply their skills in places like Itaewon – especially on the weekends. I’m not talking about some innocent, country girl back in the 1970s who chose to go to a GI ville in hopes of finding a nice GI to marry her and take her to America. I’m talking about 21st century Korean women – who are sophisticated and skilled at separating soldiers from their money. They have no desire to have a relationship with the soldier, and they certainly aren’t interested in marrying a soldier. They are only interested in the soldier’s money.
If you're offended by me referring to those types of women as scumbag ho's – so be it.
And if you want to talk about scumbag GIs – start another thread because that’s a different subject altogether.
12:32 pm on February 8th, 2010 16
Don't need to start another thread. Apparently your 21st century observation of women speaks for your attitude towards the women who are sophisticated and skilled at taking you from your money.
As for scumbag GIs, you speak for yourself.
12:56 pm on February 8th, 2010 17
News Flash for All You Old-Timers…
The Korean bar girls of the 1970s sure sound like the Filipina bar girls of right now… but ONLY the ones living in the Philippines.
The Filipinas in Korea have been schooled, guided and motivated to screw over GI Joe… not to mention that it is a seller's market so they can get by with a lot more crap… which they do at every chance.
The few Koreans working the GIs over these days are not really human. They are streamlined predators stalking the money and the thrill of collecting it… hyper-intelligent and sophisticated… but lacking empathy and scruples.
When they do get married off, they wind up back in the hunt… after taking the paid-for house and car from the retired officer that conveniently put them in her name.
Guys… you aren't wrong… but times have changed.
You would have to go to a place like Dumaguete in the PI to recapture it.
It ain't happening like that in Korea anymore.
12:56 pm on February 8th, 2010 18
So now that I've explained it and you realize how out in left field your first reply was…this is your response?
It's very simple: if you think what I said is wrong, refute the points in my post – and spare us the non-responses like the one above.
So here it is again – you've got a second chance:
It's a very simple process: either offer an intelligent response refuting what I've said – or just drop it.
1:05 pm on February 8th, 2010 19
How dare you say something so terrible about modern day Korean women out working the GIs?
This is almost as bad as calling them scumbags for crying out loud.
3:58 pm on February 8th, 2010 20
Sounds like you died with those "good old times" Guitard. You are still trying to right your filthy unrighteous comment, and I would knock you on your ass. Do you not learn what is good, and the difference from that what you think is good? You admit a GIs own stupity when you tell of "streamlined Korean girls" who professionally get GI'S to buy them 200 dollars worth of drinks. Who is the Fool in this picture? OH BTW that shit happens where ever GI'S are. And how do you think that female views the person that plays into this game? You want to call her a filthy name? Here is your so wanted argument. Anyone, and I mean anyone that allows that is foolish. Or what we called back when I was in Korea a newbie fool. Because no matter how hard you tried to inform them there were folks that would do what they could to gather money so they would not have to take their clothes off with someone they did not know, these GI's did not listen. Secondly I seen GI's fall for girls who did not care for them. The Girls made it clear they didn't care for them, but the newbie just kept giving them money, and even married them. You talk about the girl that takes what part of the home she figures is hers. So what? That happens all the time, and it is not race or culturally biased. It can be a simple fisherman and a girl he meets in the bar here in my home town. It happens all the time. You, and Chickenhead give credit to the intelligence to some of the modern day Korean women. Seems some have found a way around getting wore out physically for a penance. KMA. LOFL. In your way of thinking these girls are bad if they are smart, bad if they honest. Maybe these women just cant win with you. Like I said before that name you use is wrong. Apply it to yourself before you apply it to others. Answer me this please. Who makes these GI's give these "streamlined pro's" all this money for drinks? And If someone does it once does that person not have the experience to not do it again? If you have the experience you claim to have you know very well some GI's just don't get it. I have seen some crazy things man and one is some GI's willingness to give it away now! Thinking if they give more the girl will change her mind when in fact like most females in the world, if a man gives and gives they lose respect for them. It is a sign of weakness! Stand up and be a man. Damn I would enjoy playing with these streamlined pro drink stealers. The GI has to set the standard by which he will be treated. Just as anyone anywhere in this world. So put that in your gizzard and do what you will with it but damn it stop calling females the twisted names you think of for them.Later
5:18 pm on February 8th, 2010 21
No – I didn't die with the good ol' times. I look back upon them with the same fondness as you and most of the others do.
The difference is that I know what it was like back then and I know what it is like now – and I realize and accept that things have changed radically in the last 30 years.
I tell you what – come visit Korea and take a stroll down to the ville or go clubbing out in Itaewon on a Saturday night. If you see anything that even vaguely resembles the ville of the '70s or '80s ~ I'll buy the first five rounds.
You say you would enjoy playing with these streamlined pro drink stealers??
I'm lost for words on that one…I can only chuckle when I hear something like that. Alright – I do have something to say about it: GO right ahead and try. Learn the hard way if you must.
I call them "scumbags" and Chickenhead gets a bit more descriptive and describes them as "not really human…streamlined predators stalking the money and the thrill of collecting it…hyper-intelligent and sophisticated…but lacking empathy and scruples."
If you don't like these descriptions – and it bothers you to the point where you threaten violence on complete strangers for using them – I'm sorry to say, but you need help.
8:11 pm on February 8th, 2010 22
I wouldn't call these Korean predators hyper-intelligent and sophisticated but yes, they definitely are scumbags that have no feelings.
These "Sharon Stone in Casino" type hustlers stoop as low as they possibly can to steal young GI's money, it's really not that f'ing hard.
Despicable? Yes. Well planned? Yes. They're just lowlifes.
10:00 pm on February 8th, 2010 23
Hey Duffy ~ I hope you stayed in good shape after you retired…because it looks like you got another one that you'll need to lay an ass whooping on.
11:00 pm on February 8th, 2010 24
Keys to the Kingdom.
2:46 am on February 9th, 2010 25
After thinking about it—I believe that she did fall of the stage one night. I bet she still looks good too. Where is she now, I wonder? Likely working her own Korean club.
3:30 am on February 9th, 2010 26
Reading this has been as interesting as it can get.
I understand that things have changed in Korea, as far as the women go. I saw it in 2002 and 2003. I rarely went to any clubs those two years. Only the Mustang at Stanley and some of the smaller bars in An jung ri in 03. Nothing like the 80s were.
I still prefer ChickenHead's discription, as it is more accurate and thought provoking.
Surely takes the "victim hood" status away from women working the bars.
Angeles City in the PI has changed much as well. Can not say that I care much for the changes. Hotels are better!
ChickenHead—what is this "Dumaguete" of which you spoke? I'll land in Manila on the 3rd of March. Is it worth a look? I'll google it!
5:40 am on February 9th, 2010 27
Men- Looks like we ALL need to refer back to "Keys to the Kingdom", several chapters.
6:33 am on February 9th, 2010 28
First off we aren't betting about anything Guitard. If we meet in Korea I will buy you a drink.
Secondly if you think I am naive to the fact that these girls will separate one from their money you are mistaken.
Third they would not get a plug nickel from me as I would set them straight right off in Korean language that I aint havin it. Then none would talk to me. No loss. I would seek out a friendly environment and would find it even if it took me a few days of travel. People in Ville would be wondering where is GI going with his money. If many GIs did that things would change without Chain of command.
Fourth your not telling me anything new about the Ville's. We have friends that have been there recently and they have told us the days are long gone as well as the Ville's.
Last you think I need help because I threaten violence on a complete stranger? Not a threat, a manner of speech as to tell you I would enjoy knocking sense into you, but that would have been many years ago. I am not going to fight anyone now days unless they threaten my family. I don't even dislike you as think you are mostly blowing steam over a situation you can do nothing else about. You are no stranger to me or any of you that call names because these girls take GI's money in plain sight. You are all frustrated over a situation that needs to change.
Those clubs or bars are in on that gig whether the girls are free lance or not. I do not feel sorry for anyone who gives their money to these girls as that is what promotes more of this BS. You don't know who I am or what I am like so you would not understand my thoughts or ways but my friends know what I am saying and they would tell you everything I just wrote is fact.
BTW Aren't we talking about several clubs that were put off limits by Chain of Command because some of the girls had sex with GIs to pay there bar bills or their pimps? And these girls were not from Korea? Isn't that what this blog is about?
Fight Club, are you serious? These people are lowlifes in your head because of their idiotic ways of taking money. (Making a living) They are just people getting away with BS they shouldn't be getting away with. But like you said, not so hard to separate some of the young GI's from their money. They are pro's!! Any young GI that goes back for more is making the same old mistake that some young GIs have been making for many years. I agree the practice of takings ones money for drinks under false pretense is wrong. I have a feeling there are GI's in Korea that have found ways around this BS. Doesn't look like Chain of Command is doing much to stop these people from hanging right outside the gates in these clubs. They could put the whole Ville's off limits for weeks at a time for this shite. Do you know How fast these people would seek change if that happened? Limit their rights by using Chain of Command. C.O.s and Commanders could tell Ville mayors this juice bar crap is over and GIs will be unable to visit these Ville's until they restructure. WE did when little things didn't go right back when I was there. Even banning one club for 1 day was a lever back then that caused extreme change in the favor of GI.
People that have stores and clubs in GI Ville's depend on every dollar the GI spends. There is the power to set change in motion. They need to do it and do it now. But allot of the Command have their wife's with them now and not as easy to set this kind change into motion. IMO the change that needs to be made is any Korean girls hanging around these GIs need to knock off this BS and be honest about their intention's from beginning with GIs. In other words no more damn Juice bars. It isn't these fast girls that set these things in motion it is the people that own little dives outside main gate. Wow this has really gotten way out of hand. I suspect it has allot to do with the tour changing from hardship to regular command. Shite this post is to long. . I know change is very doubtful but if folks bitch enough it will happen. Hey they change to this shite from what it was, There has to be some kind of medium for folks that hang around the Ville's outside posts or bases. Good luck To you all
8:56 am on February 9th, 2010 29
Yeah I agree with CH and Guitard, the thing thats funny,it's the butt ugly ones that get away with. I call them Serial Hoes, even the ones thats been out of the game for 10 to 20 years revert back to her bargirl days, when an American comes around.
And then you got the one's that were never bargirls, but they play the game better than the bargirls do.
5:11 am on March 8th, 2010 30
I was at Camp Casey from 68-70. Just like people everywhere, some of the girls were good, some bad. But my experience back then was that most of them were pretty good. If you treated them fairly and with respect, they looked out for you. A lot of the girls were trafficked from other parts of Korea and they were all there to make money, for whatever reason. But a lot of us who spent a lot of time in the ville came to know them as people. Most of us were the same age and a lot of times we'd just sit and drink and talk, or go get something to eat. A lot of times we'd all go down to Seoul together on a Saturday. We'd spend the day at the zoo, shopping and eating. We'd come back to TDC in the late afternoon and the girls would go to "work". We'd either hang out in the clubs or go to the hooch we rented. A lot of the girls working out of the clubs could come and go as they pleased. We had a lot of parties in our hooch where the girls would come and hang out. Like Guitard said above, the ville of 20 years ago is gone. The one of 40 years ago is waaaaay gone.
2:50 am on October 10th, 2010 31
Can anyone help me?My husband apparently committed suicide in the Zero Bar near to the Samsung Shipyard, south Korea in August, if anyone has any information please let me know. His name was Mel Cumming and he worked for Seadrill. All replies in taken in strictest confidence. He apparently stabbed himself through the heart, I find this hard to believe.
8:57 am on October 10th, 2010 32
I find it "very" difficult to believe. Don't know the location that you spoke of and not in Korea at this time. Wish I could help and sorry for your loss.
Try your congressman and put the story out on the news. Contact a National News outlet.
Gather facts and locations, along with the timeline. Names of those that knew him.
Who he worked for. E-mails and letters.
Who knows what could happen. Nothing will happen if you don't.
Anybody else have any ideas? Any PI's out there?
6:38 am on November 28th, 2010 33
Christine, I read your article re your late husband mel cumming, I have some info for you.contact me at luckychappy@yahoo.co.uk
9:18 am on November 28th, 2010 34
I am glad I was stationed in Korea from '79-'80 and not now with all this crap with the Flips & the Russians. The 'business girls' of course had a job to do which they did mostly at night but I was friends with a number of them & sometimes the next day we would do things together. One girl that I knew got a day off and we took a taxi from Itaewon to Munsan where we spent the day together. We took a boat on a mountain lake near Munsan where there was a Korean man who pushed the boat around with a big pole. We saw 'Exorcist 2' at a Korean theater which was in English with Korean subtitles. When we were in Munsan she insisted that I walk away from her since I was an American. I sh!t you not, SHE paid for the whole thing. From what I have read about the Flips & the Russians I can't see this happening now.
9:31 am on November 28th, 2010 35
#34… I hear ya! I was there 86-89 and the girls were still all Korean and sometimes you could actually spend a day with them doing things other than boinking them. Which was nice female companionship.
11:02 am on November 28th, 2010 36
34 and 35—I agree with you both. My first tour was 88 thru 92. I didn't want to leave. Local Girls were part of the reason.
Second reason was, being single, I lived in the barracks regardless, so I might as well serve where there were attractive Korean single women.
I enjoyed the "suffering" of the married guys, accustomed to their house, car and family, now living as I did even stateside.
Not to mention the number that were good guys and returned from mid-tour with divorce papers. Sad but very "telling".
No curfew. going to "off-limits" bars after Midnight, Meeting your CO in the same off-limits bar at 0200. Him buying you a drink.
Having the hookers tell you the scoop on the field exercise coming up that you didn't know about.
Having another hooker tell you about you're CO's brother, CO of another unit, that had given her 3k usd while he went home to see the wife — taking you home with her, no charge, to show you his uniforms and boots—spit shined. Dropping hints to your CO about it and getting THAT look, and being told that if you need anything, let him know. SWEET! Ahh, good times.
Tours and train rides. USO tours. Meeting the local girls and having them pay for the meal or room (the 95 thru 97 tour). (like american women even THINK about doing that. Have better luck asking for a bj).
Miss it sometimes.
2002 and 2003 pretty much sucked in Korea.
Guess it really sucks in 2010. 
1:51 pm on November 28th, 2010 37
Retired… I'm sure we could share some stories! lol
Where were you during your first tour? I was at Greaves/Liberty Bell and finally, Howze.
I remember taking the train back to Munsan many a Sunday morning after a night of partying in I'taewon. Crazy times.
4:10 pm on November 28th, 2010 38
I loved a weekend in Itaewon. I was at Humphreys 88 thru 92. Again 95 thru 97. January 2002, I arrived at Stanley (above the no smile zone and learned why soon enough).
I succeeded in 2002, of doing what was thought impossible. I extended in Korea but left 2ID area bound for Humphreys again in Jan 2003. How did I do it, you ask?
They lost my extention after Battalion and could find no record. I was going to my room at COB and was told I had to go (ordered) watch the football game. (good thing it wasn't a christian event, people would have chit themselves
) Oh wait, that only happens these days.
Anyway, I got a case of the a$$ and before I went to the game (as ordered), I call the 2ID CG's hotline and left a not so nice message about extentions being lost and football games ordered to attend.
I admitt that I was pissed and didn't believe anyone ever listened to those recordings. Ahh, I was WRONG! Had a meeting with the Battalion CO after PT the next morning. Along with the Platoon and Company (leadership?) standing behind me.
None were very happy as they stood at parade rest.
But what the hell. What battalion failed to do in four months, they now did in 48 hours—as per the 2ID General's orders.
Yea, my "award" at end of tour was the minimum they could get away with, but I got what I wanted—extended and transferred south.
But, if I had not gotten the extention, I would have gone back to the 101st in 2003 and then to Iraq. Instead I went back to 1st CAV and to Iraq in 2004.
Something tells me the 101st would have been better. Perhaps because the CAV was all ate up in 2004/05. They cared more about acting as they did in texas than understanding where they were. (deep breath)
Memories are much better from the first tour in Korea.
12:32 am on November 29th, 2010 39
@Retired GI, I'm sorry man, but that shit had me ROFLMAO, all what you said is so true. I was at Stanley in 88, There is a hill, if your lit up, you won't make it….LOL
@37 what do you know about Yong ju gol and Son ju ri. This was back in 86..If you were Infantry, those ville were off limits to you guys. Something to do with destruction, chaos and rivalry with 4/7 and 2/17.
3:18 am on November 29th, 2010 40
Bones 39, yea, I remember that hill. Walk out the gate, past the little shops, hang a right at the first bar you see, lean back and start walking. If it is icy, you will not be walking for long. Not that this stops anyone. At Stanley, I usually went to the Mustang club. It had one cute Korean girl (Bori)and I loved the Soju slushys. But in 2002 it was mostly Philippine girls.
I loved Hooker Hill in Itaewon, when it was icyed over, back in 88 thru 92. No curfew. One or two guys slip and take out the whole hill.
5:57 am on November 29th, 2010 41
I knew a guy who would find a nice icy spot outside a club while he was on CP, and he'd post himself there. Whenever some hottie slipped on the ice, he'd play gentleman and catch her, but he was actually just trying to cop a feel.
8:50 am on March 8th, 2011 42
"The girls weren't juicy girls then though they were ” Business girls”. Some freelance others owed a certain club or person from some area. the girls were all Korean thus making situation very different. These girls were very adaptable but mostly lovable, and they for the most part ended up married as a GI would invariably fall in love pay her debt off and the rest is history. Well They were in their own country for one . second class citizens for sure but proud also. I'm not saying all the marriages ended up good but a great many did as my wife, and I have ran into a a few people we knew from Korea that are still married just like us."
I can relate. I was at Osan/Songtan from '77-'78 and again from '79 thru '82 and I enjoyed myself. I lived in the 'ville, spent time when there was a curfew, during and after the Martial Law. I will always remember the good times and bad and I realize that it's all in the past. I posted some pics on webshots. Just look for Korea. I'm sure they'll pop up.
8:53 pm on March 8th, 2011 43
Ya I miss good days 78 through 83 for me. Married in 82 to my wife of near 30 years. I haven't posted for a long time on this site as realized I really knew nothing about current situation in Korea but i was very sad when the girl got stabbed in Songtan and my argument fell on hating ears who seemed only to want to prove an ugly point. If that is what the villes make GIs into then close em up IMO. Fuck it let it really be a hardship tour for I will never understand Killing a woman or feeding a scammer money. But at last I was lucky to have seen Korea at its best. Rebuilding Korea was very humble and kind to those who now look to me as those they needed. After watching many Korean shows with my wife on Korean TV I now have to say Korean people in general seem to be unaware that there are other people of importance on this planet. They have sent most their children to college and they seem to act like prejudiced racist people in general Now. That is not the way Korea was when I was there. So I will thank the spirits that allowed me to spend time in this old country before it got westernized! And the west just don't work with the history of Korea as they now seem to act better than all. Fighting to get to the top seems to be the norm. Slow the fuck down. Told my wife I have a hard time with Korea now as see no Americans in there adds or Vacation places. Actually all I am seeing is Koreans spending time with other Koreans. Guess they don't want to share there awesome little peninsula So they should make up with the rest of the family up north. None of this realization bothered me at first as when young I would take off and go to places where there were only Koreans. But it looks like they only want to sell items to other countries but not have many people from other countries come and disrupt their enjoyment of each other. Our 52 year Korean sister is with us since mid summer 2010, and she went back for 45 days but she said she was really not wanted. She is beautiful 52 year old woman and so fucking Kind. WTF is up the asses of Korean men. She says they will only look at younger women. Hell I have friends making excuses to stop by here just to watch her move about my house. she is one of the girls from a different time. Quiet graceful and loving but feels no home in Korea anymore. They got on their feet maybe and don't need our asses? Well that is sad if it is true. So now this is why I have not posted for so long. I don't see much hope in the people in Korea loving people from outside Korea. And I don't see anything but negative from folks that are going there. Now that statement is not completely true. I will put it this way. I no longer see a place for myself and my Korean wife in Korea. It is for Koreans married to Koreans or other Asians . The rest is show. We are no longer invited or welcome in that country and we feel that. Please someone prove me wrong about this old country I have loved most of my life.
2:08 am on November 17th, 2011 44
I was a civilian working in Korea from 1976 through 1993.
For us,it was good from 1976 to 87.
Sometimes it was absolutely amazing, that’s Korea.
10:47 pm on January 30th, 2012 45
’06-’07 OSAN AB. Bar girls in Songtan were 99% all Phillipino’s. Maybe 2-3 Russian’s…and ONE Korean girl (who was a bitch). Bar fining still going on, but not out in the open. I found, that through the internet, I was able to date girls over there who weren’t whores,from Seoul, and had a GREAT time! I miss it dearly. Asia will grab a man’s heart.